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(WHAS 11 Louisville)   Kentucky gun owner wounded in heroic shootout with toilet paper dispenser   (whas11.com) divider line 183
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2013-12-11 09:26:06 AM  
Responsible gun owners.
 
2013-12-11 09:28:43 AM  
I don't know why this guy would even take it out of the concealed carry holster, since those things are usually hooked to the belt.

Unless this guy was carrying his pistol around by tucking it in his belt. In which case, I'd say this guy got off lightly that he didn't accidentally shoot his wedding tackle off.
 
2013-12-11 10:26:33 AM  
Rather convenient, since he probably scared the shiat out of himself.
 
2013-12-11 10:29:43 AM  

Diogenes: Rather convenient, since he probably scared the shiat out of himself.


The article said he ate at Fazoli's.  That there is enough to ease your bowel movements.
 
2013-12-11 10:30:17 AM  
People from Kentucky use toilet paper?
 
2013-12-11 10:31:10 AM  
I shoot my gun off in the bathroom all the time.

sp7.fotolog.com
 
2013-12-11 10:32:41 AM  

Molavian: People from Kentucky use toilet paper?



Only after we bang your mom.
 
2013-12-11 10:33:21 AM  
Was the toilet roll holder modified, and therfore threatening his manhood?
 
2013-12-11 10:33:43 AM  
I have cheap Kydex holsters mounted to the stalls at work to prevent this.
 
2013-12-11 10:33:46 AM  
Was it a modified toilet paper holder?
 
2013-12-11 10:34:07 AM  
"Neary says the pistol slipped off the dispenser and shot the man in the leg."

Guns don't kill people. Guns just shoot people in the leg.
 
2013-12-11 10:34:26 AM  

BATMANATEE: Was the toilet roll holder modified, and therfore threatening his manhood?


Dang, beat me by 25 seconds.
 
2013-12-11 10:34:28 AM  
Are there pistols out there that automatically put a round into the chamber when a magazine is loaded or are these sorts of incidents solely due to stupidity and criminal negligence?
 
2013-12-11 10:35:05 AM  
A Fazoli's. This moron couldn't even go to a Fazoli's without a loaded firearm.
 
2013-12-11 10:35:21 AM  

BATMANATEE: Was the toilet roll holder modified, and therfore threatening his manhood?


ARNOLD.HART: Was it a modified toilet paper holder?



So close...
 
2013-12-11 10:35:28 AM  
If only a good toilet paper dispenser with a gun had been there.
 
2013-12-11 10:35:51 AM  
Who are these people who leave the safety off and the hammer cocked? I think the worst part of this is that his injuries were not life threatening.
 
2013-12-11 10:36:44 AM  

RexTalionis: Responsible gun owners...don't put their guns in toilet paper dispensers or otherwise carry or keep their firearms in such a position where this might happen.


there, ftfy.
 
2013-12-11 10:40:15 AM  

Kit Fister: RexTalionis: Responsible gun owners...don't put their guns in toilet paper dispensers or otherwise carry or keep their firearms in such a position where this might happen.

there, ftfy.


Of course they don't, but how much do you wanna bet this guy still thinks he's a responisble gun owner?
 
2013-12-11 10:40:28 AM  

GodComplex: Who are these people who leave the safety off and the hammer cocked? I think the worst part of this is that his injuries were not life threatening.


I get so much crap from my students and from others in the shooting community because I refuse to carry a firearm that is either A. not a double-action pistol like the Sig or HK, or B. has no manual safety on the gun.

"Oh, the safety just gets in the way!" "It's a chance it's going to fail!"

When they have accidental discharges because they can't remember to keep their goddamn finger off the trigger, or because their precious Glock™ firearms with no external safety but the one on the trigger accidentally goes off because something got into the trigger guard, I'll laugh and laugh at them.

Seriously. A safety is a wonderful thing. ANYTHING that mechanically prevents the firearm from being fired until I disengage it meaningfully is a great thing because heaven knows that Mr. Murphy likes farking with us when we get too cocky and egotistical about stuff we should clearly have respect for.
 
2013-12-11 10:40:37 AM  

generallyso: Are there pistols out there that automatically put a round into the chamber when a magazine is loaded or are these sorts of incidents solely due to stupidity and criminal negligence?


It takes time you might not have to rack the slide.

Why would you want to carry un unloaded gun?

Do people drive stalled cars?
 
2013-12-11 10:40:40 AM  

Elizabethtown police say a man was accidentally shot in the leg while using a restaurant bathroom in the central Kentucky city.


I once got shooty in a rest-au-rant bathroom.
 
2013-12-11 10:40:43 AM  
Are you sure that he didn't wound himself by accidentally falling onto the toilet paper dispenser and getting stuck on it?
 
2013-12-11 10:41:57 AM  

Kit Fister: RexTalionis: Responsible gun owners...don't put their guns in toilet paper dispensers or otherwise carry or keep their firearms in such a position where this might happen.

there, ftfy.


Now we just need a reasonably foolproof system for distinguishing responsible gun owners from the plethora of otherwise law-abiding idiots before we sell them any guns. Ideas?
 
2013-12-11 10:42:00 AM  
Isolated incident. MSM Lamestream Media never reports on heroic hero shootings by heros of which there are several million ever day. Non-story. Overzealous wiper.

OBAMA@! S FOMCING! TO TAKE MEY TOPILET PAPER!!!!! WWOOOOOLVEDRIIIIIINES!
 
2013-12-11 10:46:39 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Kit Fister: RexTalionis: Responsible gun owners...don't put their guns in toilet paper dispensers or otherwise carry or keep their firearms in such a position where this might happen.

there, ftfy.

Of course they don't, but how much do you wanna bet this guy still thinks he's a responisble gun owner?


Eh, if no one gets hurt, I'm willing to let a person have one learning moment where they prove to the world they are a complete jackass, as long as they learn from it.

We all make mistakes and do stupid shiat. Texting while driving, driving distracted, using power tools in a way that could get you injured, etc.

No, we like to get on people who make a mistake with a firearm, but if you're driving along and not paying attention and you hit someone with your car, you're just as responsible and have done just as bad a thing as you did with a firearm.

ANd, before the "BUT A CAR HAS OTHER USES" wharrgarbl folks get on me, yeah, that's true. But whether you're carrying a gun or driving a car, you're using a piece of machinery that can do major harm to others if you're not careful with it, original purposes be damned.  If you do stupid shiat and use them irresponsibly, then their original intended purposes mean jack shiat and you've just done something completely because you misused it and abused the privilege.
 
2013-12-11 10:46:45 AM  

generallyso: Are there pistols out there that automatically put a round into the chamber when a magazine is loaded or are these sorts of incidents solely due to stupidity and criminal negligence?


Dude, when you're doing a quick-draw to take out a mugger who is holding a gun on you, you don't have time to chamber a round. And we all know how frequent workplace muggings are.

/So glad I don't live in a concealed-carry advocate's mental world. It must be terrifying.
//Have a carry permit, but only to save money on background checks.
 
2013-12-11 10:49:26 AM  

Kit Fister: Eh, if no one gets hurt, I'm willing to let a person have one learning moment where they prove to the world they are a complete jackass, as long as they learn from it.


Like drunk drivers.
 
2013-12-11 10:50:44 AM  

Quaker: Now we just need a reasonably foolproof system for distinguishing responsible gun owners from the plethora of otherwise law-abiding idiots before we sell them any guns. Ideas?


I dunno, I'm generally OK with some forms of requiring you to pass a test, but at the same time, every single person out there has or will do something in a moment of stupidity when they stop paying attention and get cocky. Unfortunately the human race as a whole is dangerous with anything they get their hands on to some degree because they forget to do things safely.

/psh, I don't need those safety glasses.
//No, mixing these two bathroom cleaning chemicals won't do anything bad
///What do you mean, I shouldn't text and drive?
////Psh, those bikers should get out of my way!
 
2013-12-11 10:51:30 AM  
Note to self; Keep pin in hand grenade when pooping.
 
2013-12-11 10:52:18 AM  

Mr.Hawk: BATMANATEE: Was the toilet roll holder modified, and therfore threatening his manhood?

ARNOLD.HART: Was it a modified toilet paper holder?


So close...


Wow..Just..Wow...
 
2013-12-11 10:52:56 AM  

Kit Fister: GodComplex: Who are these people who leave the safety off and the hammer cocked? I think the worst part of this is that his injuries were not life threatening.

I get so much crap from my students and from others in the shooting community because I refuse to carry a firearm that is either A. not a double-action pistol like the Sig or HK, or B. has no manual safety on the gun.

"Oh, the safety just gets in the way!" "It's a chance it's going to fail!"

When they have accidental discharges because they can't remember to keep their goddamn finger off the trigger, or because their precious Glock™ firearms with no external safety but the one on the trigger accidentally goes off because something got into the trigger guard, I'll laugh and laugh at them.

Seriously. A safety is a wonderful thing. ANYTHING that mechanically prevents the firearm from being fired until I disengage it meaningfully is a great thing because heaven knows that Mr. Murphy likes farking with us when we get too cocky and egotistical about stuff we should clearly have respect for.


What about revolvers? If I were going to carry, I'd use a Smith Model 38 J frame in a pocket holster. Holster keeps stuff out of the trigger guard, and the trigger pull is stiff enough that it's not going to "just go off" the way Glocks do all the time.

If I were going to carry a semi-auto (Colt 1908 Pocket Auto in .380, in an inside-the-waistband holster), I wouldn't put a round in the chamber, just rack the slide on the draw. Personally, I don't like safeties; it's too hard to remember what state they're in in the heat of the moment, and they can fail if you drop the gun.
 
2013-12-11 10:53:06 AM  

mbillips: And we all know how frequent workplace muggings are


the workplace is the second most frequent place a mass shooting happens. It used to be called "going postal" for the number of times post office workers shot eachother.

The home is the most frequent.
 
2013-12-11 10:53:12 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Kit Fister: Eh, if no one gets hurt, I'm willing to let a person have one learning moment where they prove to the world they are a complete jackass, as long as they learn from it.

Like drunk drivers.


Yep, as long as no one got hurt.

If you get caught, or do something that is illegal, you also have to be willing to accept the consequences, but at the same time, I'm not going to lock a man up for life because he didn't know his limits and just how bad the booze hit him the first time. Fine him, suspend his license, maybe.
 
2013-12-11 10:53:27 AM  

Deep Contact: Note to self; Keep pin in hand grenade when pooping.


Sage advice.
 
2013-12-11 10:54:48 AM  

mbillips: Kit Fister: GodComplex: Who are these people who leave the safety off and the hammer cocked? I think the worst part of this is that his injuries were not life threatening.

I get so much crap from my students and from others in the shooting community because I refuse to carry a firearm that is either A. not a double-action pistol like the Sig or HK, or B. has no manual safety on the gun.

"Oh, the safety just gets in the way!" "It's a chance it's going to fail!"

When they have accidental discharges because they can't remember to keep their goddamn finger off the trigger, or because their precious Glock™ firearms with no external safety but the one on the trigger accidentally goes off because something got into the trigger guard, I'll laugh and laugh at them.

Seriously. A safety is a wonderful thing. ANYTHING that mechanically prevents the firearm from being fired until I disengage it meaningfully is a great thing because heaven knows that Mr. Murphy likes farking with us when we get too cocky and egotistical about stuff we should clearly have respect for.

What about revolvers? If I were going to carry, I'd use a Smith Model 38 J frame in a pocket holster. Holster keeps stuff out of the trigger guard, and the trigger pull is stiff enough that it's not going to "just go off" the way Glocks do all the time.

If I were going to carry a semi-auto (Colt 1908 Pocket Auto in .380, in an inside-the-waistband holster), I wouldn't put a round in the chamber, just rack the slide on the draw. Personally, I don't like safeties; it's too hard to remember what state they're in in the heat of the moment, and they can fail if you drop the gun.


Funny thing with revolvers.....that firing pin is resting right on the primer.

Go ahead and drop it.
 
2013-12-11 10:55:33 AM  

Giltric: generallyso: Are there pistols out there that automatically put a round into the chamber when a magazine is loaded or are these sorts of incidents solely due to stupidity and criminal negligence?

It takes time you might not have to rack the slide.

Why would you want to carry un unloaded gun?

Do people drive stalled cars?


Do people ask pointless rhetorical questions ?
 
2013-12-11 11:00:43 AM  

mbillips: What about revolvers? If I were going to carry, I'd use a Smith Model 38 J frame in a pocket holster. Holster keeps stuff out of the trigger guard, and the trigger pull is stiff enough that it's not going to "just go off" the way Glocks do all the time.

If I were going to carry a semi-auto (Colt 1908 Pocket Auto in .380, in an inside-the-waistband holster), I wouldn't put a round in the chamber, just rack the slide on the draw. Personally, I don't like safeties; it's too hard to remember what state they're in in the heat of the moment, and they can fail if you drop the gun.


I'm not a revolver guy, but they have their uses.

Also, I never teach students to carry hammer down on an empty chamber. When you're nervous, you forget to rack the slide, or you end up fumbling, or you have your finger on the trigger when you do and the gun goes off. It's stupid.

With regards to safeties in the heat of the moment, it's all about practice and knowing your gun. If you're carrying a gun like an HK, Smith and Wesson, or otherwise, the safety serves as a decocker, and as such should be employed to absolutely safe the weapon when on base or at home, or disengaged to allow for a double-action pull when off post.

With guns like the 1911 or M&P or similar with a thumb safety, the key is to train so that your draw stroke and shooting position involves having the thumb on top of the safety such that it is deactivated and serves to pull the gun into the hand for better control. Grip safeties get disengaged with proper grip, so those are a no-brainer.

If you're not training iwth your firearm sufficiently to know the platform and to understand how to shoot quickly under stress while utilizing its safety features, you're failing as a responsible person to learn to adequately operate your firearm and defend yourself.

As to the drop failures, I have literally *never* seen a firearm or safety fail if dropped. In testing to induce a failure, the only firearm that I was able to make fail as an old 1911 with a weakened spring dropped on its muzzle from a height of 15'.

So, either quit reading internet bullshiat, or stop lying. :)
 
2013-12-11 11:02:15 AM  
I gots to keep one ready AT ALL TIMES!
All the time Anytime Anywhere ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3nyJu4Bkz8
 
2013-12-11 11:02:49 AM  

Giltric: Funny thing with revolvers.....that firing pin is resting right on the primer.

Go ahead and drop it.


They are if you're carrying a pre-80s Smith or similar. Modern revolvers, at worst, use a spring-return firing pin similar to that of an automatic that is smacked with the hammer to fire the gun.  Many, from smith and Ruger, now also include transfer bars that prevent the gun from firing if dropped or hit and only if the gun is fired by having the trigger pulled.
 
2013-12-11 11:04:22 AM  

Griftin Rubes: I gots to keep one ready AT ALL TIMES!
All the time Anytime Anywhere ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3nyJu4Bkz8


if it's a firearm for personal defense, it's not very useful unless it's made ready to go when you need it, now is it?

anyway, got other crap to do, you morons argue about guns and jerk each other off without me. Just remember to mop up when you're done.
 
2013-12-11 11:04:33 AM  
Jeff Reed salutes this man's contribution to the war on bathroom paper dispensers
 
2013-12-11 11:05:01 AM  

give me doughnuts: Molavian: People from Kentucky use toilet paper?


Only after we bang your mom.


You sure it was my mom?  You're from Kentucky, after all.
 
2013-12-11 11:05:41 AM  

Kit Fister: Quaker: Now we just need a reasonably foolproof system for distinguishing responsible gun owners from the plethora of otherwise law-abiding idiots before we sell them any guns. Ideas?

I dunno, I'm generally OK with some forms of requiring you to pass a test, but at the same time, every single person out there has or will do something in a moment of stupidity when they stop paying attention and get cocky. Unfortunately the human race as a whole is dangerous with anything they get their hands on to some degree because they forget to do things safely.

/psh, I don't need those safety glasses.
//No, mixing these two bathroom cleaning chemicals won't do anything bad
///What do you mean, I shouldn't text and drive?
////Psh, those bikers should get out of my way!


Which is kind of my point. Given how lethal guns are, is widespread private gun ownership worth that risk?

And as far as testing is concerned, I'm not sure how that could be fairly done. I'm sure there are responsible gun owners who don't test well and vice versa.
 
2013-12-11 11:10:38 AM  

Giltric: mbillips: And we all know how frequent workplace muggings are

the workplace is the second most frequent place a mass shooting happens. It used to be called "going postal" for the number of times post office workers shot eachother.

The home is the most frequent.


Yeah, and the increase in safety from carrying a pistol all the time is basically nil. Workplace shooting homicides in 2012: 375, with an employed labor force of more than 140 million. Total workplace deaths from all causes, 4,383.

In the past ten years, 140 government workers were shot at work. "Going postal" is extremely rare. Most workplace shootings involve a robbery; only 13 percent involve a coworker. The only people who need to carry at work are night-shift retail clerks and women with bad boyfriends/husbands.
 
2013-12-11 11:10:50 AM  

Kit Fister: No, we like to get on people who make a mistake with a firearm


No, we get on people who do those other things, too. You're just extra sensitive to the firearms issue because it's your pet.

Kit Fister: Eh, if no one gets hurt, I'm willing to let a person have one learning moment where they prove to the world they are a complete jackass, as long as they learn from it.


And again, how much do you want to bet that this dumbass still calls himself a responsible gun owner and changes exactly none of his habits? A lot of people refuse to learn from their mistakes, not to mention the hit to pride he'd lose by admitting that maybe he's not the smooth gunslinger he thought he was.
 
2013-12-11 11:10:55 AM  

Quaker: Which is kind of my point. Given how lethal guns are, is widespread private gun ownership worth that risk?


Yes, yes it is. I will take dangerous liberty over safe restriction any day of the week.
 
2013-12-11 11:11:34 AM  

Mentalpatient87: And again, how much do you want to bet that this dumbass still calls himself a responsible gun owner and changes exactly none of his habits? A lot of people refuse to learn from their mistakes, not to mention the hit to pride he'd lose by admitting that maybe he's not the smooth gunslinger he thought he was.


Then charge him with criminal negligence.
 
2013-12-11 11:12:05 AM  

generallyso: Are there pistols out there that automatically put a round into the chamber when a magazine is loaded or are these sorts of incidents solely due to stupidity and criminal negligence?


just a moron
he also didnt explain how the safeties failed to work
 
2013-12-11 11:12:56 AM  

blatz514: Diogenes: Rather convenient, since he probably scared the shiat out of himself.

The article said he ate at Fazoli's.  That there is enough to ease your bowel movements.


Your digestive system is thrown off by Fazoli's?
 
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