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(Washington Post)   Washington DC Council: Hey, let's pass a law giving every poor child a free $60,000 for their college education. Yay, education. Sane people: Hey, that sounds good, but how are you going to pay for it? DC Council: umm....YAY, EDUCATION   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 148
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2013-12-11 09:44:20 AM  
It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.
 
2013-12-11 09:45:46 AM  
In a city that has a 40% dropout rate.  What could possibly go wrong?

Make sure you give it to them in cash up front.  That'll motivate them.
 
2013-12-11 09:46:14 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


Yes, that's DC's problem.
 
2013-12-11 09:46:21 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


Or money-grubbing politicians.

/Education is the best treasure
//You can share it and still have it all
///And not need vaults or chests to keep it
 
2013-12-11 09:47:17 AM  
They spend $18k/kid per year now and graduate 60% of students.  Clearly, more money will fix that.
 
2013-12-11 09:47:32 AM  
If the child is poor and performs well they should be able to secure payment for a college education through many mechanisms that already exist.

If the child is poor and does not perform well enough to secure funding from the thousands of sources already in existence you are probably just wasting money and might be better off handing them a broom or a shovel.
 
2013-12-11 09:47:57 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


Let me channel the decision-making process here:
Is that in three months?  No?  Then eff it.
 
2013-12-11 09:48:05 AM  
lessee ... how do we come up with $60,000 each for about 800 kids ...

Build just one less bomber?

Nah, that's crazy talk!
 
2013-12-11 09:48:06 AM  
No words
 
2013-12-11 09:50:23 AM  

StopLurkListen: lessee ... how do we come up with $60,000 each for about 800 kids ...

Build just one less bomber?

Nah, that's crazy talk!


Priorities.  Blowing up brown people > educating blah people.
 
2013-12-11 09:50:36 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

The blue piece of pie is complaining about the unfairness of how much space the dark yellow piece of pie is taking up.
 
2013-12-11 09:51:00 AM  

AngryDragon: In a city that has a 40% dropout rate.  What could possibly go wrong?

Make sure you give it to them in cash up front.  That'll motivate them.


The Muthaship: They spend $18k/kid per year now and graduate 60% of students.  Clearly, more money will fix that.


This money will only go to that smallish percent who attend college, none of it will go to the 40% who drop out.
 
2013-12-11 09:51:02 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


The populace in DC votes liberal now.

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2013-12-11 09:51:14 AM  
In other news, colleges respond by increasing tuition by $60k.

Though I am no economist, it seems to me that the cost of college would drop fairly quickly if people just stopped paying so much and started making decisions based more on cost and less on prestige and playboy's top 10 party school list.
 
2013-12-11 09:51:39 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


http://www.city-data.com/city/Washington-District-of-Columbia.html

DC votes at 91% Democrat.
 
2013-12-11 09:52:46 AM  
That doesn't really sound like a really great investment at the city level. You give them money for college, but allow them to attend one outside of the District. So most of the money is being spent elsewhere. And it's pretty likely that the kids who benefit would find jobs outside of the District when they graduate. So their increased income rate wouldn't benefit the District either; they will spend their money and have their income taxed elsewhere.
 
2013-12-11 09:55:12 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


Yeah, black people love voting for conservatives.
 
2013-12-11 09:55:22 AM  

pho75: In other news, colleges respond by increasing tuition by $60k.

Though I am no economist, it seems to me that the cost of college would drop fairly quickly if people just stopped paying so much and started making decisions based more on cost and less on prestige and playboy's top 10 party school list.


I have heard it referred to as the greatest example of inflation that exists. By economists.
 
2013-12-11 09:55:35 AM  

StopLurkListen: lessee ... how do we come up with $60,000 each for about 800 kids ...

Build just one less bomber?

Nah, that's crazy talk!


Not many local governments build bombers. Or did you just fail to read the article?
 
2013-12-11 09:56:15 AM  

This text is now purple: Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Washington-District-of-Columbia.html

DC votes at 91% Democrat.


Goddamn conservative Democrats.
 
2013-12-11 09:56:16 AM  

StopLurkListen: lessee ... how do we come up with $60,000 each for about 800 kids ...

Build just one less bomber?

Nah, that's crazy talk!


Let's see, how many bombers has the DC city council built this year? (built, not smoked)

FTA: far more significant than voting to rename the Redskins.

The fact that RGIII owns a Tempur-Pedic bed and 100 pairs of socks is more significant than voting to rename the Redskins.
 
2013-12-11 09:56:25 AM  

StopLurkListen: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 648x504]

The blue piece of pie is complaining about the unfairness of how much space the dark yellow piece of pie is taking up.


The Washington, DC military is formidable indeed.
I heard they bought a couple of bicycles last year.
 
2013-12-11 09:56:50 AM  
When did Michael Scott start working for the DC Council?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott%27s_Tots
 
2013-12-11 09:56:57 AM  
So mind-numbingly stupid.  40% of the students don't graduate (despite spending the most per student in the country, or third-most depending on the metric), so let's give up on them and throw a bunch of money at the 60% who do graduate and probably already have some sort of financial aid.  This surely won't further inflate the cost of higher education.

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


They vote 91% democratic and do stuff like this (and re-elect Marion Berry).  This is not the thread to pull that card.
 
2013-12-11 09:57:01 AM  

cgraves67: That doesn't really sound like a really great investment at the city level. You give them money for college, but allow them to attend one outside of the District. So most of the money is being spent elsewhere. And it's pretty likely that the kids who benefit would find jobs outside of the District when they graduate. So their increased income rate wouldn't benefit the District either; they will spend their money and have their income taxed elsewhere.


Exactly.  It gets poor people out of the city.  Which part confuses you?
 
2013-12-11 09:57:18 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: StopLurkListen: lessee ... how do we come up with $60,000 each for about 800 kids ...

Build just one less bomber?

Nah, that's crazy talk!

Not many local governments build bombers. Or did you just fail to read the article?


Get out of here with your reading and comprehension and stuff.
This is FARK
 
2013-12-11 09:58:00 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


Because a council dominated by Democrats for decades in a city that is the most Democrat-leaning in the country by enormous amounts is in great risk of its residents voting "for conservatives". Let me guess, you either were brain-damaged as a child or consider yourself liberal.
 
2013-12-11 09:58:03 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


The people most likely to be eligible for the scholarship are already voting Democrat.
 
2013-12-11 10:00:35 AM  

StopLurkListen: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 648x504]

The blue piece of pie is complaining about the unfairness of how much space the dark yellow piece of pie is taking up.



Education spending is also covered under mandatory spending at the federal level.
Each state also spends money on education independent of the federal outlays.
Municipalities also spend money on education independent of both state and federal outlays.

90 cents of every dollar in property taxes in NJ goes to education. NJ has maybe the most expensive property taxes in the the nation.
 
2013-12-11 10:01:30 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


Az sun az deez keds lerns teh munnies skils use dembocrats yous weez alls in the trouble.
 
2013-12-11 10:03:07 AM  
The Leftist/Progressive answer to medical industry costs and issues is to nationalize healthcare. Similar calls for the energy industry. Why no call to nationalize Big Education? I've never seen this as an issue splashed across my TV screen. Although I rarely watch US cable news anymore, I do pay attention to the various online news feeders. Nationalizing Big Ed has never been a notable subject. Costs have spiraled out of control and the returns have diminished. Student loan debt is 6ish% of our overall debt and climbing.
 
2013-12-11 10:03:43 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


DC is already one of the bluest cities in the nation: it has a lot of problems, but voting for conservatives isn't among them.

That said, I can't help but wonder if this money would not be better spent establishing a network of community colleges. Educate the populace at affordable rates, while keeping the money in the city.
 
2013-12-11 10:05:09 AM  

AngryDragon: In a city that has a 40% dropout rate.  What could possibly go wrong?

Make sure you give it to them in cash up front.  That'll motivate them.


Cut out the middle-man and just give them $60,000 worth of crack.
 
2013-12-11 10:05:36 AM  
Isn't this the city with one of the highest gun violence rates per capita in the country thanks to in same gun laws and a lack of spending on an actual police force?
 
2013-12-11 10:08:30 AM  

AngryDragon: In a city that has a 40% dropout rate.  What could possibly go wrong?


What COULD possibly go wrong?  In a city with a 40% dropout rate, how many $60k payouts do you think they'll actually make?

The only thing they'd need to avoid are sham degree mills, which they probably won't because it's D.C., but just because politicians will botch it doesn't make an idea bad in principle.
 
2013-12-11 10:09:54 AM  

StopLurkListen: Build just one less bomber?


Number of bombers paid for by the city of DC: 0

Yeah, I think they already cut that part of the budget as far as it will go.
 
2013-12-11 10:11:33 AM  

Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.


I'm sure voting for conservatives is totally a common occurence in DC. Or do you mean "to keep conservatives from taking over and ruining our little liberal utopia?"
 
2013-12-11 10:12:41 AM  
Anything that is illusion can be presented as reality when a politician is running for office. As soon as that politician is safely ensconced, the iss

ue is forgotten until the next election cycle. thats why the American politicians in the US constantly go on about how we're going to be attacked the moment we stop building $20 billion aircraft carriers and $150 million fighter airplanes.

USS CVN - Gerald R. Ford = $18 billion, it still needs the superstructure attached, is three years from being floated.

F-35 "fighter" jet = est. cost $1,450,000,000,000 for fewer than 400 units, and has never passed a single flight test, and it kills it's pilots from O2 starvation. It also cannot sustain supersonic flight for more than 12 minutes at a time or the fuel tanks overheat. Every time it flies, they look at the data, and decide that it's simpler to just downgrade the testing specifications rather than figure out how to make it actually pass the tests. It's junk. It seems to me that it'd be better to just keep building F-16s ($9 million ea) and put a few thousand of them in the air.

Gee, maybe we should reconsider our priorities. Why do so many people become so rabidly defensive about our military spending when it's doing to us exactly what it did for the Soviet Union?
 
2013-12-11 10:13:18 AM  

Begoggle: StopLurkListen: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 648x504]

The blue piece of pie is complaining about the unfairness of how much space the dark yellow piece of pie is taking up.

The Washington, DC military is formidable indeed.
I heard they bought a couple of bicycles last year.


DC has a National Guard, just like states do (although an Army general runs it because there's no governor). The DC Air Guard flies F-16s, and has used them to intercept civilian aircraft that wandered into restricted air space.
 
2013-12-11 10:14:42 AM  

This text is now purple: Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Washington-District-of-Columbia.html

DC votes at 91% Democrat.


And it has no representation in Congress.
 
2013-12-11 10:15:13 AM  

tricycleracer: StopLurkListen: lessee ... how do we come up with $60,000 each for about 800 kids ...

Build just one less bomber?

Nah, that's crazy talk!

Priorities.  Blowing up brown people > educating blah people.


Jesus. First it's idiots thinking that DC has a large poplulation who ignorantly vote for conservatives, then it's idiots thinking that the DC Council has some say in our federal military spending. I think the people in this thread could use a bit of education themselves.
 
2013-12-11 10:16:17 AM  
They'd save even more money, but ensure that money is wisely spent, by not paying a cent until Freshman year is complete with a 2.5 GPA.

Fully 1/4 of urban college freshmen drop out before the first semester is over. A significant percent of the reason for this is that the districts engage in rampant grade inflation and social promotion. In our local district, 5% of graduates (who are only 50% 0f their cohort) are ready for college or career upon graduation. Knowing the teachers in the city, I can tell you that the fault lies not there, but at the administrative, family and neighborhood levels.
 
2013-12-11 10:17:01 AM  
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2013-12-11 10:17:02 AM  
how to pay?

Maybe if the USA stopped murdering brown people for ten minutes there would be enough money to send the whole country to college.
 
2013-12-11 10:17:43 AM  
They could ask those dudes down on 14th and C Streets to print them some cash. Duh.
 
2013-12-11 10:19:21 AM  

Deathfrogg: F-35 "fighter" jet = est. cost $1,450,000,000,000 for fewer than 400 units, and has never passed a single flight test, and it kills it's pilots from O2 starvation


That's the F-22 with the oxygen feed problem. The biggest beef about the F-35 is that you can't see out the back of the cockpit (to meet the design for the vertical-lift version), but the pilot's helmet is designed to have video screens that cover that.

They've done nearly 400 test flights with all three variants this year. It's still very expensive, and the design's success remains to be seen, but it's on track for full deployment in the U.S., UK, Canada, Australia, etc. within a couple years.
 
2013-12-11 10:21:52 AM  
DC could pay for it in about five seconds if they were allowed to enact a commuter tax, but congress has specifically forbidden them from doing so.

So the hundreds of thousands who commute into DC every day and take advantage of their infrastructure contribute little to nothing to maintaining said infrastructure, while also competing for jobs that DC residents would be taxed on locally if they had them.
 
2013-12-11 10:22:34 AM  
Interesting stats that half the District has degrees and a third is functionally illiterate. Wonder how much overlap there is in the two? And how many of those are sitting on the council?
 
2013-12-11 10:23:29 AM  

mrEdude: how to pay?

Maybe if the USA stopped murdering brown people for ten minutes there would be enough money to send the whole country to college.


In 2011, it was estimated that a single Tomahawk crusie missle costs US$1,410,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile
 
2013-12-11 10:23:39 AM  

This text is now purple: Hollie Maea: It will pay for itself when it results in a populace educated enough to not vote for conservatives.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Washington-District-of-Columbia.html

DC votes at 91% Democrat.


This is just a pilot line. It doesn't matter how DC votes since they have not representation in government.  But to the larger point, educating people is always a good investment.
 
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