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2013-12-10 08:32:11 PM
They could always go into business for themselves. I would buy Netflix high speed internet over time warner craple.
 
2013-12-10 08:42:31 PM
Buffering
 
2013-12-10 08:57:46 PM

cman: Buffering


Hey!  Whoa!  TMI!
 
2013-12-10 09:02:01 PM
We'd be much better off if we would simply adopt true capitalism.
 
2013-12-10 09:07:50 PM

Marcus Aurelius: We'd be much better off if we would simply adopt true capitalism.


Internet speed slow, so blame capitalism?
 
2013-12-10 09:08:43 PM
All this, but I can't get AMC in HD.

www.speedtest.net
 
2013-12-10 09:09:25 PM
TCM is more my speed.

/I just wait for it to come around again.

Time to wait and all
 
2013-12-10 09:10:26 PM

foo monkey: All this, but I can't get AMC in HD.

[www.speedtest.net image 300x135]


That ping rate is...strange
 
2013-12-10 09:12:55 PM
Well that's bulls***CARRIER LOST***
 
2013-12-10 09:13:22 PM

cman: foo monkey: All this, but I can't get AMC in HD.

[www.speedtest.net image 300x135]

That ping rate is...strange


Now I know who is raping me repeatedly in Halo.
 
2013-12-10 09:16:25 PM

cman: Marcus Aurelius: We'd be much better off if we would simply adopt true capitalism.

Internet speed slow, so blame capitalism?


No.  Oligarchies.

Verizon.  AT&T.  Comcast.  You call that competition?

That's not competition.
 
2013-12-10 09:19:18 PM

cman: foo monkey: All this, but I can't get AMC in HD.

[www.speedtest.net image 300x135]

That ping rate is...strange


And the up is faster than the down.
 
2013-12-10 09:26:04 PM

Marcus Aurelius: That's not competition.


Just out of curiosity, and not really directed at you in particular, what does capitalism think about monopolies? Clearly they are an aspect of pure capitalism, but they are the antithesis of competition and informed choice (as in, you have none), so are monopolies good in a capitalist viewpoint?

But as for cable, we definitely need some real competition.
 
2013-12-10 09:27:38 PM

Marcus Aurelius: cman: foo monkey: All this, but I can't get AMC in HD.

[www.speedtest.net image 300x135]

That ping rate is...strange

And the up is faster than the down.


I live in a neighborhood with fiber to the door.  http://www.openband.net/   Terrible television service, but 100 up/down is silly.  The ping is to a nearby data center.  Ashburn VA has dozens of them.  I can probably see it from my deck.
 
2013-12-10 09:31:27 PM
well. see, the free market always does everything better than government so this article must be full of it.
 
2013-12-10 09:34:32 PM

nmrsnr: Marcus Aurelius: That's not competition.

Just out of curiosity, and not really directed at you in particular, what does capitalism think about monopolies? Clearly they are an aspect of pure capitalism, but they are the antithesis of competition and informed choice (as in, you have none), so are monopolies good in a capitalist viewpoint?

But as for cable, we definitely need some real competition.


Competition only benefits the suckers consumers
 
2013-12-10 09:39:39 PM

foo monkey: Marcus Aurelius: cman: foo monkey: All this, but I can't get AMC in HD.

[www.speedtest.net image 300x135]

That ping rate is...strange

And the up is faster than the down.

I live in a neighborhood with fiber to the door.  http://www.openband.net/   Terrible television service, but 100 up/down is silly.  The ping is to a nearby data center.  Ashburn VA has dozens of them.  I can probably see it from my deck.


You're virtually on top of some of the major switching centers in this part of the universe.  How's your Netflix?
 
2013-12-10 09:42:14 PM

nmrsnr: Just out of curiosity, and not really directed at you in particular, what does capitalism think about monopolies?


Capitalism is a game that a certain small percentage of people "win".  Once they "win", their shiat needs to be broken up and their pieces re-distributed around the board.  That's why we have the death tax.  That's why we used to tax capital higher than labor.
 
2013-12-10 09:47:20 PM

nmrsnr: Just out of curiosity, and not really directed at you in particular, what does capitalism think about monopolies?


I thought of a better answer.  Capitalism LOVES monopolies.  And cartels.  And price fixing.

Mexico's drug lords are almost precisely what a completely deregulated capitalist marketplace looks like.
 
2013-12-10 09:52:50 PM
Mexico's drug lords are almost precisely what a completely deregulated capitalist marketplace looks like.

I'm pretty sure even the Randiest capitalist would say that murders and decapitations to protect territory goes beyond acceptable capitalistic actions.
 
2013-12-10 09:54:43 PM

nmrsnr: Mexico's drug lords are almost precisely what a completely deregulated capitalist marketplace looks like.

I'm pretty sure even the Randiest capitalist would say that murders and decapitations to protect territory goes beyond acceptable capitalistic actions.


I don't know... I'm not sure about Rand Paul
 
2013-12-10 10:02:34 PM

nmrsnr: Mexico's drug lords are almost precisely what a completely deregulated capitalist marketplace looks like.

I'm pretty sure even the Randiest capitalist would say that murders and decapitations to protect territory goes beyond acceptable capitalistic actions.


The only obligation of a purely capitalist organization is to maximize profitability.  Pure capitalism has no morals or obligations beyond the narrowest interests of the shareholders.
 
2013-12-10 10:10:14 PM

nmrsnr: Mexico's drug lords are almost precisely what a completely deregulated capitalist marketplace looks like.

I'm pretty sure even the Randiest capitalist would say that murders and decapitations to protect territory goes beyond acceptable capitalistic actions.


Banana republic: it isn't just for covering your ass.
 
2013-12-10 10:20:44 PM
To be clear: I find a porn video I like. I start it, pause it and come back 20 minutes later so I can skip through parts I don't like.

I thought we were the greatest country on Earth. A super power if you will.
 
2013-12-10 10:44:37 PM

Marcus Aurelius: foo monkey: Marcus Aurelius: cman: foo monkey: All this, but I can't get AMC in HD.

[www.speedtest.net image 300x135]

That ping rate is...strange

And the up is faster than the down.

I live in a neighborhood with fiber to the door.  http://www.openband.net/   Terrible television service, but 100 up/down is silly.  The ping is to a nearby data center.  Ashburn VA has dozens of them.  I can probably see it from my deck.

You're virtually on top of some of the major switching centers in this part of the universe.  How's your Netflix?


My Netflix connection is flawless.  No stutters.  No buffering.  I'm so far removed from those issues, I don't know how to answer your question.  I log on to Netflix to watch a show and it's like pulling it off my DVR's hard drive.

I'm not virtually on top of the switching centers.  I'm real-life next door to them.  My Internet connection is what most people dream of.  What Google Fiber is rolling out just now is what I've had for years.  Problem is, I pay for it.  I pay a LOT for it.  Several neighborhoods in Loudoun County made a deal with the Devil for it.  OpenBand has a Hong Kong-like 99 year exclusive contract to supply TV, phone, and Internet.  All this is rolled up into the HOA agreement.  There are lawsuits to break this.  The TV service sucks.  Most "HD" channels are 720.  I pay several hundred a year to buy episodes of TV shows (AMC: Mad Men, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad) I can't record in HD.  I have one HD HBO channel.  With this Internet connection, I'd cancel my cable subscription and go 100% streaming, but I can't.  My cable is my Internet.

/white people problems
 
2013-12-10 11:06:16 PM
Nah. I'm downloading internet porn at glorious fiber optic speeds here.

blacksportsonline.com
 
2013-12-11 12:08:18 AM

foo monkey: I'm not virtually on top of the switching centers. I'm real-life next door to them. My Internet connection is what most people dream of. What Google Fiber is rolling out just now is what I've had for years. Problem is, I pay for it. I pay a LOT for it. Several neighborhoods in Loudoun County made a deal with the Devil for it. OpenBand has a Hong Kong-like 99 year exclusive contract to supply TV, phone, and Internet. All this is rolled up into the HOA agreement. There are lawsuits to break this. The TV service sucks. Most "HD" channels are 720. I pay several hundred a year to buy episodes of TV shows (AMC: Mad Men, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad) I can't record in HD. I have one HD HBO channel. With this Internet connection, I'd cancel my cable subscription and go 100% streaming, but I can't. My cable is my Internet.


You do of course realize that when the revolution comes, your HOA will be the first people up against the wall.

After that?  It's two chicks at once, man.  Two chicks at once.
 
2013-12-11 12:58:32 AM

Marcus Aurelius: foo monkey: I'm not virtually on top of the switching centers. I'm real-life next door to them. My Internet connection is what most people dream of. What Google Fiber is rolling out just now is what I've had for years. Problem is, I pay for it. I pay a LOT for it. Several neighborhoods in Loudoun County made a deal with the Devil for it. OpenBand has a Hong Kong-like 99 year exclusive contract to supply TV, phone, and Internet. All this is rolled up into the HOA agreement. There are lawsuits to break this. The TV service sucks. Most "HD" channels are 720. I pay several hundred a year to buy episodes of TV shows (AMC: Mad Men, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad) I can't record in HD. I have one HD HBO channel. With this Internet connection, I'd cancel my cable subscription and go 100% streaming, but I can't. My cable is my Internet.

You do of course realize that when the revolution comes, your HOA will be the first people up against the wall.

After that?  It's two chicks at once, man.  Two chicks at once.


I'd love to continue this, but this traffic goes across my ISP.
 
2013-12-11 01:13:23 AM
this has nothing to do(well, mostly not to do) with capitalism, or monolopies or whatever. The US just has a larger rural population that has a hard time getting broadband to their location.

I JUST got DSL a few months ago. before that my options were severely limited, and expensive, so I did without.
 
2013-12-11 01:29:55 AM

log_jammin: this has nothing to do(well, mostly not to do) with capitalism, or monolopies or whatever. The US just has a larger rural population that has a hard time getting broadband to their location.

I JUST got DSL a few months ago. before that my options were severely limited, and expensive, so I did without.


I tend to agree with you. I didn't get a fark account until I was able to get faster internet, before that I just came for the headlines because the comments took way way too long to load. And then I moved out into the sticks and even though I still have DSL, my internet speed went to crap. And my options are limited to what I have now or whatever satellite is these days.

69 ping
1.7 Mbps down
0.64 up

I can't get a youtube video to buffer past two minutes most days.
 
2013-12-11 03:00:23 AM
So the US is better than Mexico at something? Huzzah.
 
2013-12-11 03:59:59 AM
It's not just internet speed that we suck at.  Our education sucks, infant mortality rates highest in industrialized world, incarceration rates highest in the world, income inequality is high, upward mobility is low.  The USA sucks in a whole  lot of  areas that we didn't used to suck in 30 years ago before greed, for lack of a better word, was deemed good.
 
2013-12-11 04:03:09 AM
You want high speed?   We're the provider in your zip code.  Period.  It's fast.  It is.  And that what you get.  If we say it's fast enough, it's fast enough.

You don't unnerstan all the, like, intricacies of all this internet stuff.  You don't know squat.  If yer getting 1.2 mbp/s on your 50 mbp/s, there's a reason for that.  Your bill is due.  You don't want anything should happen your yer innernet, do yaz?

Hey!  You calling our tech support?  You want Tier III?  Well, I dunno, they're pretty busy.  You getting upset with us?  You cursin' us out after 349573987458 calls about your speeds?  Maybe we should send somebody over to your house.  Maybe Nunzio.  He's real good with bad customers.  Hey, if it's 50 mbp/s to us, it's 50 mbp/s.  You want "real world" speeds?  Whaddya you know?  Please hold.

If these bastards aren't up on RICO charges by 2015, it's our own fault.
 
2013-12-11 04:11:14 AM
I'm hooked up to a division of Time Warner, and speeds suck when you check out any of the legit speed test sites.  However their tech support will only accept numbers from their proprietary speed test site.  This site shows that I'm getting blazing fast speeds, which I know is B.S.   So I sniffed the traffic one day, and found that they're passing a teeny tiny 2kb jpeg file for this "Speed Test".
This is how they get around having to provide good service.  Wish I could tell em to suck it, but the only other DSL option sucks balls even worse.

/tested last year, but they're probably still using the same file.
 
2013-12-11 04:11:15 AM

log_jammin: this has nothing to do(well, mostly not to do) with capitalism, or monolopies or whatever. The US just has a larger rural population that has a hard time getting broadband to their location.

I JUST got DSL a few months ago. before that my options were severely limited, and expensive, so I did without.


Not quite. Yes, no doubt that plays a part but ultimately that doesn't explain the rest of the US. Urban areas of the United States pay more money, for less bandwidth than you can get in say in the UK for example. Of course its also because the United States is huge, so giving faster capabilities to customers would require HUGE investments. Which they will politely decline until they have to.

It doesn't help that the ISP's aren't in direct competition with each other because of an agreed mutual business agreement between the ISP's to not step on each others toes for the most part.
 
2013-12-11 04:17:13 AM

nmrsnr: Mexico's drug lords are almost precisely what a completely deregulated capitalist marketplace looks like.

I'm pretty sure even the Randiest capitalist would say that murders and decapitations to protect territory goes beyond acceptable capitalistic actions.


Correct.  A purely laissez-faire government would still do its best to suppress violence.  Disputes would still have to be settled in court.  Drug dealers kill each other because what they do is ILLEGAL and they can't go to the courts for help when they have a dispute.
 
2013-12-11 04:23:31 AM
I'm stationed here in Japan and live off base and man, am I glad I do!  My internet delivers (up to) 200Mbps (avg. ~70-180) and it only costs me around $40 a month (last bill was ¥3740).  When I lived on base, I was paying upwards of $150 for internet that barely saw 5Mbps.  God bless Japan's fiber-optic infrastructure!
 
2013-12-11 04:30:34 AM
The US is largely a fat, drunk blowhard who's resting on some 68 year old laurels and kiting checks and getting surly with people who call him on it.  And his enablers are hiding behind his coat tails while they fleece anything that moves.  Not exactly world leadership OR capitalism.
 
2013-12-11 04:40:56 AM

Marcus Aurelius: nmrsnr: Just out of curiosity, and not really directed at you in particular, what does capitalism think about monopolies?

I thought of a better answer.  Capitalism LOVES monopolies.  And cartels.  And price fixing.

Mexico's drug lords are almost precisely what a completely deregulated capitalist marketplace looks like.


I had always pegged you as being smarter than that, so I hope that's just trolling. But just in case...

You're seriously using the narcotics business - you know, the one that exists precisely because narcotics are about the most regulated thing on the planet - as an example of an unregulated marketplace?

Capitalism is not the same as an anarchy. Go look across the spectrum of libertarian economists from Friedman to Stigler to Becker to Schumpeter to Buchanan to Simon, all confirm that free market capitalism relies on a relatively strong government and the rule of law that grants no special privileges and doesn't unduly punish any targeted group. This includes freedom of people to act unless they pose a direct threat to the rights of others, protection of property rights (yes, that notion is up for some debate), contract enforcement, etc. In a free market system, if you have a problem you take it to court. Drug cartels exist and thrive precisely because those things do not exist in the narcotics business.

As for oligarchies, monopolies and the like, some industries are naturally best served by consolidation. In some cases they can be publicly owned such as power companies. Most libertarians would probably prefer that they are not quasi-government companies but it's not a big deal worth fighting over too much. As for most other monopolies, they achieve and retain their position through agent capture and other phenomena that are the result of manipulating government policy in their favour through subsidy, protection, and/or punitive measures against their competitors. All of which go against what free marketers support. You complain about capitalists engaging in price fixing... why is it bad when companies collude to fix prices, but perfectly OK when the government does it on their behalf (gotta save those JOBS, right)?

There is room for debate about how much fat should be trimmed off the wealth creation and spread around, and perhaps some other tinkering-around-the-edges measures, but this notion that a free market would end in a world with a couple of mega-corporations battling in the streets is complete bullshiat. The whole point of free market capitalism is creative destruction and the constant upheaval and dethroning of the top dogs, and most measures designed to thwart or curtail the free market only serve to protect those top dogs.
 
2013-12-11 04:47:01 AM
Since Verizon decided to start offering a "quantum class" service they've cut back on standard service.
 
2013-12-11 04:47:26 AM

violentsalvation: log_jammin: this has nothing to do(well, mostly not to do) with capitalism, or monolopies or whatever. The US just has a larger rural population that has a hard time getting broadband to their location.

I JUST got DSL a few months ago. before that my options were severely limited, and expensive, so I did without.

I tend to agree with you. I didn't get a fark account until I was able to get faster internet, before that I just came for the headlines because the comments took way way too long to load. And then I moved out into the sticks and even though I still have DSL, my internet speed went to crap. And my options are limited to what I have now or whatever satellite is these days.

69 ping
1.7 Mbps down
0.64 up

I can't get a youtube video to buffer past two minutes most days.


Ping: 82 ms
Down: 10.10 Mbps
Up: 6.29

That's my cell phone, which is the only way I use the Internet (including mobile hotspot). I have to wait a bit for Netflix or Amazon Instant Video to start up, but I have no problems after that.
 
2013-12-11 04:47:41 AM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: This includes freedom of people to act unless they pose a direct threat to the rights of others, protection of property rights (yes, that notion is up for some debate), contract enforcement, etc. In a free market system, if you have a problem you take it to court.


And after a year of obfuscation, obstruction and goalpost relocation, your case comes up and the offending corporation has stuffed the money up it's ass, steamrolled you, moved their assets, changed their name four times and are farting through silk in the Caymans and meanwhile, attorney boy says "OMG, whatevs, kthxbai" and the judge scratches his ass ass squints at you as you walk back to the parking garage.  The gap between what is in place and how it is used will just keep turning into a chasm until the law, and more importantly, the people who live under it focus on it's reason for being and it's intent instead of it's mechanics and whatever disingenuous, gymnastic malarkey you can sneak through the alley under it's auspices.
 
2013-12-11 04:59:35 AM
Oh look it's this story again.
 
2013-12-11 05:00:27 AM

abhorrent1: Oh look it's this story again.


Oh, look.  It's this comment again.
 
2013-12-11 05:07:35 AM

bunner: abhorrent1: Oh look it's this story again.

Oh, look.  It's this comment again.


Oh look. Somebody is downloading porn to their 3.5 floppy drive again!
 
2013-12-11 05:11:07 AM

powhound: bunner: abhorrent1: Oh look it's this story again.

Oh, look.  It's this comment again.

Oh look. Somebody is downloading porn to their 3.5 floppy drive again!


I suppose there's something just scathingly brilliant there.  Someplace.  Maybe.  I think I'll just let you two guys hash out your 1337ness on somebody else's screen.  :  )
 
2013-12-11 05:19:13 AM

hardinparamedic: Nah. I'm downloading internet porn at glorious fiber optic speeds here.

[blacksportsonline.com image 478x354]


I never noticed, but that guy must be left-handed.
 
2013-12-11 05:22:20 AM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: lots of words.



The bottom line is that in REALITY - not an Ayn Rand book, or your idle musings, but REALITY, so called "free market capitalism" inevitably becomes what America has become - a welfare state for the owners of capital. Free market capitalism as actually practiced is socialism for the rich.
There will never be any shortage of tax dollars to be spent erecting prisons and hiring guard dogs to protect what the wealthy own, . And somehow, this is never seen as the welfare state transfer of wealth scheme that it really is. And our corporate charter has essentially become a license to steal.
Yeah - laissez faire capitalism, in all it's abstract glory, would be great if it was capable of existing outside of a cheesy novel - history has repeatedly shown that it isn't.
Don't bother wasting abstract ideological arguments on me - I'm not an ideologue, I'm a pragmatist - and I have no use for beautiful philosophies that don't actually work in the real world.
 
2013-12-11 05:33:21 AM
I had a rather unpleasant exchange with someone in my gaming group about this issue; he is/was a telcomm employee of some overpaid sort, and his argument was pretty much 'it costs too much up front and takes too long to pay for itself, so fark the rural people'.

So pretty much, it will take government intervention to expand and improve broadband in the US, because his attitude is the prevailing one among the ISPs.

/he finally got himself booted for being an asshole one too many times
//it took way too long, IMO
///I say overpaid because he never missed an opportunity to talk about how much money he had to spend on things
 
2013-12-11 05:54:40 AM

bdub77: cman: foo monkey: All this, but I can't get AMC in HD.

[www.speedtest.net image 300x135]

That ping rate is...strange

Now I know who is raping me repeatedly in Halo.


don't forget the teabagging

/while I'm still trying to shoot him and I lag warp
//fffffffaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrkkkkk
 
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