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(Opposing Views)   Minor larynx surgery + laser beam + pure oxygen - ability to speak or breathe for rest of life = $30 million   (opposingviews.com) divider line 119
    More: Fail, Becky Anderson, King County Superior Court, Medtronic, oxygen, surgery, throat, Harborview Medical Center, anesthesiologists  
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2013-12-10 08:18:36 PM
FTFA:She also sued Medtronic, Inc., makers of the air tube that blew up, saying that the company's design of the tube was faulty and should have included a "double cuff" that, Anderson charged, would have prevented the oxygen in the tube from igniting when exposed to the laser beam.

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I've never even heard of a medtronics endotracheal tube. So I googled it. Apparently, they make specialized tubes with nerve sensors inside of them. Still, the cuff of an endotracheal tube is either filled with room air, or sterile saline if you're flying with it. Not pure oxygen.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-10 08:26:27 PM
But the jury found that Medtronic was not responsible for the fire and didn't make the company pay anything.

Weird. A jury had the opportunity to go for deep pockets and failed.
 
2013-12-10 08:32:29 PM

ZAZ: Weird. A jury had the opportunity to go for deep pockets and failed.


Or it could be that it was operator error, and the company had nothing to do with it. OR Fires are a known risk factor with laser surgery.
 
2013-12-10 09:21:12 PM
Sometimes I wonder who will oppose Opposing Views' views.
 
2013-12-10 09:24:42 PM
Sounds like it's best to get this done the old fashioned way, with a knife in a steady hand.
 
2013-12-10 09:25:13 PM
Accidents happen and people will pay for it, I really wish I lived off grid right now.
 
2013-12-10 09:31:40 PM
Can she still swallow?
 
2013-12-10 09:32:41 PM
Not every doctor is top of his class.
 
2013-12-10 09:33:50 PM
I'm sure subby fully supports tort "reform".
 
2013-12-10 09:34:23 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-10 09:35:00 PM
She was quickly flown to Seattle's Harborview Medical Center

"Quick, let's get her to a REAL hospital!"
 
2013-12-10 09:37:28 PM
O.o Dafuq  I am glad the woman won her case.
 
2013-12-10 09:38:12 PM
My knowledge of human biology is inadequate to understand how someone can loose the ability to breathe for life from that kind of incident. Can it affect the diaphragm? Or is it that her trachea is blocked? And in that case shouldn't it be easy to unblock it surgically or simply put a hole in the neck like they do after removing some types of cancer?
 
2013-12-10 09:38:48 PM
hardinparamedic: I've never even heard of a medtronics endotracheal tube. So I googled it. Apparently, they make specialized tubes with nerve sensors inside of them. Still, the cuff of an endotracheal tube is either filled with room air, or sterile saline if you're flying with it. Not pure oxygen.

While I know nothing of this sort of device, I don't think that the source of the oxygen is the issue here. I assume the argument is that without the double cuff, when exposed to a pure oxygen environment, it poses the risk of ignition that would've been avoided with the appropriate cuff in place. As such I have to assume that these are used in conjunction with a pure-oxygen environment frequently enough that the attorneys showed an expectation that a reasonable and prudent manufacturer could have, and should have anticipated and prevented this problem in the R&D phase.

I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on WebMD
 
2013-12-10 09:45:35 PM
At least Julie Andrews can still speak and breathe.
 
2013-12-10 09:49:37 PM

phrawgh: [img.fark.net image 615x345]


Is this some sort of lack of oxygen reference?
 
2013-12-10 09:50:06 PM
Given the choice I'd pick a functional respiratory system over $30 million.
 
2013-12-10 09:50:23 PM
People like this are why we have to pay so much for health care! Her greed and entitlement makes America socialist!

They should have just comped her the cost of the surgery, at most given her a coupon for her next visit.

I mean, seriously? I doubt her life was worth thirty mil, let alone her voice. I'd even bet that she had a worthless, annoying sounding voice. Did that come up in trial?
 
2013-12-10 09:53:08 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:She also sued Medtronic, Inc., makers of the air tube that blew up, saying that the company's design of the tube was faulty and should have included a "double cuff" that, Anderson charged, would have prevented the oxygen in the tube from igniting when exposed to the laser beam.

[trinities.org image 400x348]

I've never even heard of a medtronics endotracheal tube. So I googled it. Apparently, they make specialized tubes with nerve sensors inside of them. Still, the cuff of an endotracheal tube is either filled with room air, or sterile saline if you're flying with it. Not pure oxygen.


Just the cuff?
 
2013-12-10 09:53:45 PM
She also sued Central Washington Hospital (pictured)...

YOU HAVE SUPPLIED NO SUCH PICTURE!!!!
 
2013-12-10 09:53:55 PM

hardinparamedic: ZAZ: Weird. A jury had the opportunity to go for deep pockets and failed.

Or it could be that it was operator error, and the company had nothing to do with it. OR Fires are a known risk factor with laser surgery.


Not just with laser surgery. Surgical fires have been a thing for as long as we've been using anesthetics, and figure greatly into the designs of both ORs and anesthetic molecules themselves. Add oxygen to the mix and you've basically got a bomb waiting to happen, except in your lungs.
 
2013-12-10 09:55:29 PM

sendtodave: People like this are why we have to pay so much for health care! Her greed and entitlement makes America socialist!

They should have just comped her the cost of the surgery, at most given her a coupon for her next visit.

I mean, seriously? I doubt her life was worth thirty mil, let alone her voice. I'd even bet that she had a worthless, annoying sounding voice. Did that come up in trial?


So you'd be cool if they cut off your dick accidentally? Er...maybe you would you might have a tiny, pathetic prick. You'd be cool with shiatting into a colostomy bag the rest of your life? Cause that's pancakes compared to what she's going through. And the monetary award also pays for all medical costs associated and future medical costs, as well as lost wages, etc.

I'd rather have my ability to breathe and speak, thanks. My life is infinitely valuable to me, as it's the only one I'll ever have.
 
2013-12-10 09:55:37 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:She also sued Medtronic, Inc., makers of the air tube that blew up, saying that the company's design of the tube was faulty and should have included a "double cuff" that, Anderson charged, would have prevented the oxygen in the tube from igniting when exposed to the laser beam.



I've never even heard of a medtronics endotracheal tube. So I googled it. Apparently, they make specialized tubes with nerve sensors inside of them. Still, the cuff of an endotracheal tube is either filled with room air, or sterile saline if you're flying with it. Not pure oxygen.


The cuff wasn't. In airway fires the cuff is popped, usually by cautery, allowing the pure oxygen being pumped into her to escape past the now flat cuff and fueling the fire. We teach out anesthesia guys to change the tube out as soon as they motive a cuff leak.
 
2013-12-10 09:58:44 PM
"would have prevented the oxygen in the tube from igniting"

i.imgur.com

OXYGEN DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

/oxygen helps other things ignite, oxygen itself does not burn
 
2013-12-10 10:02:09 PM
"People like this are why we have to pay so much for health care! Her greed and entitlement makes America socialist!

They should have just comped her the cost of the surgery, at most given her a coupon for her next visit.

I mean, seriously? I doubt her life was worth thirty mil, let alone her voice. I'd even bet that she had a worthless, annoying sounding voice. Did that come up in trial?"

Sendtodave deserves to have his penis hacked off without any compensation whatsoever and nice fat bill to pay for the procedure.
 
2013-12-10 10:04:38 PM

Lady Indica: sendtodave: People like this are why we have to pay so much for health care! Her greed and entitlement makes America socialist!

They should have just comped her the cost of the surgery, at most given her a coupon for her next visit.

I mean, seriously? I doubt her life was worth thirty mil, let alone her voice. I'd even bet that she had a worthless, annoying sounding voice. Did that come up in trial?

So you'd be cool if they cut off your dick accidentally? Er...maybe you would you might have a tiny, pathetic prick. You'd be cool with shiatting into a colostomy bag the rest of your life? Cause that's pancakes compared to what she's going through. And the monetary award also pays for all medical costs associated and future medical costs, as well as lost wages, etc.

I'd rather have my ability to breathe and speak, thanks. My life is infinitely valuable to me, as it's the only one I'll ever have.


Please don't feed the trolls
 
2013-12-10 10:06:22 PM

ArkAngel: Please don't feed the trolls


Yeeeah, I've been doing that all day. I know better.

/hangs head
 
2013-12-10 10:09:13 PM
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2013-12-10 10:15:49 PM

ArkAngel: Lady Indica: sendtodave: People like this are why we have to pay so much for health care! Her greed and entitlement makes America socialist!

They should have just comped her the cost of the surgery, at most given her a coupon for her next visit.

I mean, seriously? I doubt her life was worth thirty mil, let alone her voice. I'd even bet that she had a worthless, annoying sounding voice. Did that come up in trial?

So you'd be cool if they cut off your dick accidentally? Er...maybe you would you might have a tiny, pathetic prick. You'd be cool with shiatting into a colostomy bag the rest of your life? Cause that's pancakes compared to what she's going through. And the monetary award also pays for all medical costs associated and future medical costs, as well as lost wages, etc.

I'd rather have my ability to breathe and speak, thanks. My life is infinitely valuable to me, as it's the only one I'll ever have.

Please don't feed the trolls


Is it still trolling when it's so obvious?

At what point does it become satire?
 
2013-12-10 10:17:48 PM
I remember when I was a kid and every year the school would send us home with a pamphlet describing some sort of general insurance policy they had for the student's health. It was filled with strange combinations of injuries and what they were worth.

Loss of one eye - $500
Loss of one eye, one finger and a toe - $1500
Loss of hearing, one hand and a foot - $2000

If we'd been offered today's sort of settlements we'd all have been out in the playground poking each others eyes out and amputating limbs at recess.
 
2013-12-10 10:20:05 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: "would have prevented the oxygen in the tube from igniting"

[i.imgur.com image 320x240]

OXYGEN DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

/oxygen helps other things ignite, oxygen itself does not burn


I doubt that distinction made much difference to her once her throat was on fire.
 
2013-12-10 10:20:24 PM

talkertopc: My knowledge of human biology is inadequate to understand how someone can loose the ability to breathe for life from that kind of incident. Can it affect the diaphragm? Or is it that her trachea is blocked? And in that case shouldn't it be easy to unblock it surgically or simply put a hole in the neck like they do after removing some types of cancer?


Sure, a little laser surgery...
 
2013-12-10 10:24:53 PM

hardinparamedic: I've never even heard of a medtronics endotracheal tube. So I googled it. Apparently, they make specialized tubes with nerve sensors inside of them. Still, the cuff of an endotracheal tube is either filled with room air, or sterile saline if you're flying with it. Not pure oxygen.


Somehow I read that in Archer's voice.
 
2013-12-10 10:25:36 PM
www.theviewscreen.com

One of us. One of us. One of us.
 
2013-12-10 10:28:45 PM
This is not one of those frivolous lawsuits we hear so much about.
 
2013-12-10 10:29:08 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Vlad_the_Inaner: "would have prevented the oxygen in the tube from igniting"

[i.imgur.com image 320x240]

OXYGEN DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

/oxygen helps other things ignite, oxygen itself does not burn

I doubt that distinction made much difference to her once her throat was on fire.


It was her FLESH that was on fire, not the oxygen!  Eeeeeewwwww!

Pure 02 would only be indicated if lung function was way down.  This, after all, is what killed Gus Grissom and the Apollo 1 astronauts.  Anaesthesiologist  needs to be sent straight to hell. Do not pass GO, etc.
 
2013-12-10 10:30:13 PM
The fark this biatch is gonna do with 30 mil and no voice?
 
2013-12-10 10:30:17 PM

whatshisname: I remember when I was a kid and every year the school would send us home with a pamphlet describing some sort of general insurance policy they had for the student's health. It was filled with strange combinations of injuries and what they were worth.

Loss of one eye - $500
Loss of one eye, one finger and a toe - $1500
Loss of hearing, one hand and a foot - $2000

If we'd been offered today's sort of settlements we'd all have been out in the playground poking each others eyes out and amputating limbs at recess.


Now now, that's insensitive to her loss.
 
2013-12-10 10:33:00 PM

Target Builder: Given the choice I'd pick a functional respiratory system over $30 million.


Soon medical bills will eat use up all the money and she will be left with neither. It seems like a terribly low amount.
 
2013-12-10 10:33:08 PM

Rustblade: The fark this biatch is gonna do with 30 mil and no voice?


Go on tour with Madonna.
 
2013-12-10 10:33:10 PM

Rustblade: The fark this biatch is gonna do with 30 mil and no voice?


Two dudes at the same time.
 
2013-12-10 10:36:23 PM
My sister is a nurse and she told me in no uncertain terms: "NEVER get elective surgery. You have no idea how many things can go wrong. If you can live with it, live with it. It's not worth possibly dying for."

She told me a story of a kid who was in for a simple surgery - like a tonsilectomy or something, and because the doctor wrote the wrong number on the saline order and the nurse was too new or too clueless to fix the doc's stupid mistake, the kid ended up with a pickled brain. So the parents went in thinking they'd take little Johnny out for ice cream later and came out with a brain dead child.

That was enough to convince me. I've got a pretty annoying benign growth on my big toe, but you know - I can buy different shoes...
 
2013-12-10 10:38:56 PM

axeeugene: My sister is a nurse and she told me in no uncertain terms: "NEVER get elective surgery. You have no idea how many things can go wrong. If you can live with it, live with it. It's not worth possibly dying for."

She told me a story of a kid who was in for a simple surgery - like a tonsilectomy or something, and because the doctor wrote the wrong number on the saline order and the nurse was too new or too clueless to fix the doc's stupid mistake, the kid ended up with a pickled brain. So the parents went in thinking they'd take little Johnny out for ice cream later and came out with a brain dead child.

That was enough to convince me. I've got a pretty annoying benign growth on my big toe, but you know - I can buy different shoes...


Best health care in the world.
 
2013-12-10 10:43:32 PM

axeeugene: My sister is a nurse and she told me in no uncertain terms: "NEVER get elective surgery. You have no idea how many things can go wrong. If you can live with it, live with it. It's not worth possibly dying for."

She told me a story of a kid who was in for a simple surgery - like a tonsilectomy or something, and because the doctor wrote the wrong number on the saline order and the nurse was too new or too clueless to fix the doc's stupid mistake, the kid ended up with a pickled brain. So the parents went in thinking they'd take little Johnny out for ice cream later and came out with a brain dead child.

That was enough to convince me. I've got a pretty annoying benign growth on my big toe, but you know - I can buy different shoes...


This is the main reason I refuse to have lasik done on my eyes...  Nothing is worth the risk of loosing my sight.
 
2013-12-10 10:44:15 PM
or losing, even...
 
2013-12-10 10:44:39 PM
In Texas she would have gotten 250k Max.  Period.

$250k, no matter what, no matter who, no matter what the fark hapend, 250k is the max you can sue anybody in medicine for.  Total.  Want to sue 10 people? 250k max total.  Want to sue an industry who killed off your family and raped you? 250k total.  Ruined for life and reduced to a screaming vegetable?  250k, go fark yourself.  Oh and kiss 40% goodbye to the lawyer btw. Oh its only 30% you say you farkING IDIOT!?!? Yea 30% PLUS fees.  So 40%, if you are lucky. of 250k total that you can win.   If you are in Texas, never see a doctor. Or take medicine.  You know what?  Just farking run, run north, run fast, get the fark out while you can.  You cant win, you cant hide, you just get farked.  No lube.


I'm surprised the lawyer in Texas even farking bother with medical lawsuits.   You think your medical malpractice problems are bad in whatever shiat hole state you are in?  Come to Texas.  Were a whole nother level.
 
2013-12-10 10:48:01 PM

sendtodave: Best health care in the world.


DONT EVEN GET ME farkING STARTED!

/I now need to drink alcohol so I can pass out.
 
2013-12-10 10:48:21 PM

Target Builder: Given the choice I'd pick a functional respiratory system over $30 million.


THIS.  Also, doesn't "polyp" mean "cancer"?  The article says that the surgery was "elective", but I don't blame her for wanting to operate now rather than later.
 
2013-12-10 10:49:24 PM

axeeugene: My sister is a nurse and she told me in no uncertain terms: "NEVER get elective surgery. You have no idea how many things can go wrong. If you can live with it, live with it. It's not worth possibly dying for."

She told me a story of a kid who was in for a simple surgery - like a tonsilectomy or something, and because the doctor wrote the wrong number on the saline order and the nurse was too new or too clueless to fix the doc's stupid mistake, the kid ended up with a pickled brain. So the parents went in thinking they'd take little Johnny out for ice cream later and came out with a brain dead child.

That was enough to convince me. I've got a pretty annoying benign growth on my big toe, but you know - I can buy different shoes...


cool story bro.  My dad put off getting his knee replaced for over a decade for the same reasons.  Now he punches himself because he basically lost a decade playing at 100% with his grandkids.
 
2013-12-10 10:49:36 PM

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