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2013-12-10 01:30:27 PM  
Well it's good to see that the party of small government is spending their constituents money wisely instead of wasting millions defending against lawsuits they pretty much brought on themselves.
 
2013-12-10 01:32:48 PM  
"This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," grumbled Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) to the World, perhaps forgetting that Satanism is also a faith. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."

No.  No, it's not, you farking peckerwood.
 
2013-12-10 01:34:34 PM  
It sounds like he wants the kind of country where everyone is free to worship our savior Jesus Christ as they wish.
 
2013-12-10 01:35:05 PM  
I'm an Episcopalian who will donate to the fund for the Satanists in their fight to get their monument placed next to the 10 commandment monument.
 
2013-12-10 01:37:06 PM  
"This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," grumbled Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) to the World, perhaps forgetting that Satanism is also a faith. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."

The ACLU loves it when idiots like this make their case for them.
 
2013-12-10 01:37:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: It sounds like he wants the kind of country where everyone is free to worship our savior Jesus Christ as they wish.


And his brother.
 
2013-12-10 01:40:37 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," grumbled Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) to the World, perhaps forgetting that Satanism is also a faith. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."

No.  No, it's not, you farking peckerwood.


There is no way the hard-working and honest people of Oklahoma would elect someone *that* stupid to a public office.

*checks TFA*

I stand corrected. They actually did elect someone that stupid.

Did the voters of Bartlesville realize they elected an illiterate who apparently never actually read the US constitution to run the affairs of their government?

What the hell is in the water there, anyway? Mercury flavoring?
 
2013-12-10 01:43:12 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: It sounds like he wants the kind of country where everyone is free to worship our savior Jesus Christ as they wish.


unless you're Catholic...or one of those liberal forms of Protestant...err...really anybody that's not Southern Baptist or United Methodist.
 
2013-12-10 01:43:49 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Marcus Aurelius: It sounds like he wants the kind of country where everyone is free to worship our savior Jesus Christ as they wish.

And his brother.


Craig? NSFW lyrics.
 
2013-12-10 01:44:27 PM  
Lucien Greaves, a spokesperson for the Satanic Temple

I believe the correct term is 'Speaker' for the Night Mother
 
2013-12-10 01:48:59 PM  
They are going to be eaten alive by lawyers.
 
2013-12-10 01:50:21 PM  
Crucified, even.
 
2013-12-10 02:01:18 PM  
I'll take "things you say if you want the Supreme Court to smack down your decision so fast it'll make your head spin" for $200, Alex.
 
2013-12-10 02:01:25 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: It sounds like he wants the kind of country where everyone is free to worship our savior Jesus Christ as they wishes.


God is to important to let people do it for themselves
 
IP
2013-12-10 02:17:31 PM  
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2013-12-10 02:22:07 PM  
Hypocrites.  They have Nihilist monuments all over the state...
 
2013-12-10 02:28:04 PM  
Thanks Obama
 
2013-12-10 02:28:36 PM  
Faith-based state?

That sounds unconstitutional.
 
2013-12-10 02:28:55 PM  
Folks, folks, I'm tired of all this squabbling.  Lets just remember the thing that brings us all together this holiday season - commemorating the birth of santa.
 
2013-12-10 02:29:07 PM  
Anybody know how to donate to the Satanists to get their monument built?
 
2013-12-10 02:30:10 PM  
It's almost like this is the reason we have separation of church and state to begin with, so that the state doesn't get to decide what is and isn't a religion.
 
2013-12-10 02:30:57 PM  
For some reason this thread reminded me of one of my favorite fark headlines ever:

Santa died for your sins
 
2013-12-10 02:31:17 PM  

Serious Black: Anybody know how to donate to the Satanists to get their monument built?


http://www.aclu.org/donate/
 
2013-12-10 02:31:23 PM  

Rev.K: Faith-based state?

That sounds unconstitutional.


"IN GOD WE TRUST!"

You moran.  Separation of church and state means that you can have Jesus, and you can have the President, but they can't be the same person.  Though, you can require the President to agree that Jesus would win in a fight.
 
2013-12-10 02:31:59 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: It sounds like he wants the kind of country where everyone is free to worship our savior Jesus Christ as they wish.


Within reason.
 
2013-12-10 02:32:12 PM  

El_Perro: Serious Black: Anybody know how to donate to the Satanists to get their monument built?

http://www.aclu.org/donate/


I'm pretty sure the ACLU isn't going to physically build the monument, and I already donate to them anyways.
 
2013-12-10 02:32:40 PM  
Satanism is not only a faith, but it's a faith based on the same exact mythology the Christians use to prop up their own faith.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-10 02:34:19 PM  
Freedom of religion is the freedom to believe in the flavor of Christianity of your choice.

This is what these people believe....
 
2013-12-10 02:34:46 PM  
After the smackdown, I sincerely hope every religious (or "way of thinking") group out there erects a monument in the same place. Just for the lulz. Can't expect any of those douchecanoes will learn a civics lesson from this
 
2013-12-10 02:35:29 PM  
These people just are incapable of understanding where they are wrong.

The real issue is whether or not the ACLU can get this case put before a judge that understands U.S. constitutional law. If they do, these Republicans are going to be in for a bucketload of bewilderment.  I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
 
2013-12-10 02:35:45 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Well it's good to see that the party of small government is spending their constituents money wisely instead of wasting millions defending against lawsuits they pretty much brought on themselves.



Seriously.  And it's like, what are they trying to accomplish? I get that it's a nice way for these politicians to get publicity and appear to their stupid constituents like they're defending "traditional christian values."  But it's such a farking waste of time, money and effort.  There's a simple solution here - get rid of all religious BS from the state capitol, including the stupid idols of the ten commandments (which, ironically, were broken by moses out of frustration when he saw his people committing idolatry).

If these jackasses put half as much effort into helping the poor (you know, like Jesus said), maybe they could do some actual good for society.
 
2013-12-10 02:35:46 PM  

MisterTweak: Benevolent Misanthrope: "This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," grumbled Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) to the World, perhaps forgetting that Satanism is also a faith. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."

No.  No, it's not, you farking peckerwood.

There is no way the hard-working and honest people of Oklahoma would elect someone *that* stupid to a public office.

*checks TFA*

I stand corrected. They actually did elect someone that stupid.

Did the voters of Bartlesville realize they elected an illiterate who apparently never actually read the US constitution to run the affairs of their government?

What the hell is in the water there, anyway? Mercury flavoring?


The city water supply distribution system is made out of lead pipes.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-10 02:36:00 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Satanism is not only a faith, but it's a faith based on the same exact mythology the Christians use to prop up their own faith.


To add to this... the exact same group of the people calls the Wiccans "Satanists" and they don't believe in the existence of Satan at all.  I can't figure that out at all...
 
2013-12-10 02:36:20 PM  
Interesting bit from the Oklahoma State Constitution:

Section II-5: Public money or property - Use for sectarian purposes.
  No public money or property shall ever be appropriated,
applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use,
benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system
of religion,
or for the use, benefit, or support of any priest,
preacher, minister, or other religious teacher or dignitary, or
sectarian institution as such.


Sounds like they are violating their own constitution with the whole 10 Commandments thing...
 
2013-12-10 02:36:30 PM  
Well.... I see some of you just can't get to hell fast enough....
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-10 02:37:06 PM  

Chummer45: Voiceofreason01: Well it's good to see that the party of small government is spending their constituents money wisely instead of wasting millions defending against lawsuits they pretty much brought on themselves.


Seriously.  And it's like, what are they trying to accomplish? I get that it's a nice way for these politicians to get publicity and appear to their stupid constituents like they're defending "traditional christian values."  But it's such a farking waste of time, money and effort.  There's a simple solution here - get rid of all religious BS from the state capitol, including the stupid idols of the ten commandments (which, ironically, were broken by moses out of frustration when he saw his people committing idolatry).

If these jackasses put half as much effort into helping the poor (you know, like Jesus said), maybe they could do some actual good for society.


media.steampowered.com
 
2013-12-10 02:37:39 PM  

Serious Black: El_Perro: Serious Black: Anybody know how to donate to the Satanists to get their monument built?

http://www.aclu.org/donate/

I'm pretty sure the ACLU isn't going to physically build the monument, and I already donate to them anyways.


I know, I know. Just think that the ACLU's work in opposing the Ten Commandments monument is more worthwhile than the satanists' monument.
 
2013-12-10 02:37:43 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Satanism is not only a faith, but it's a faith based on the same exact mythology the Christians use to prop up their own faith.



Well sure, it's  a faith.  But it's not  the faith.  I think that's the point congressperson numbnuts was trying to make.
 
2013-12-10 02:38:24 PM  
Linked on page.

That is...new?
 
2013-12-10 02:38:50 PM  
Mikey1969:Sounds like they are violating their own constitution with the whole 10 Commandments thing...

Since when has being internally consistent ever stopped good derp? This is a faith based state! Them debbil worshippers ain't got no place here! Send'em back to Yurop with the rest'a the hellspawn! Yee haw!
 
2013-12-10 02:39:44 PM  

d23: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Satanism is not only a faith, but it's a faith based on the same exact mythology the Christians use to prop up their own faith.

To add to this... the exact same group of the people calls the Wiccans "Satanists" and they don't believe in the existence of Satan at all.  I can't figure that out at all...


It's like "socialism" - the word doesn't actually mean anything to them except "bad thing".  I've had kneelers accuse me of being a satanist because I'm an atheist.  Somehow "I don't believe in your mythology" and "I believe in your mythology and specifically root for one of the characters" can occupy the same brain-space with these idiots.
 
2013-12-10 02:39:52 PM  

netcentric: Well.... I see some of you just can't get to hell fast enough....


No, we're staying in our home states thankyouverymuch.
 
2013-12-10 02:40:20 PM  
Problem: No one can challenge without standing.
Solution: Give someone standing.

They could have just tied up the proposed monument in approvals processes and whatnot pretty much indefinitely. Instead, they handed someone the perfect material in which to smack down the existing "monument".
 
2013-12-10 02:41:51 PM  

El_Perro: "This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," grumbled Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) to the World, perhaps forgetting that Satanism is also a faith. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."

The ACLU loves it when idiots like this make their case for them.



They say that when Earl Sears made this statement in a public forum the ACLU Lawyer's boner grew 3 sizes that day.
 
2013-12-10 02:41:52 PM  

d23: Freedom of religion is the freedom to believe in the flavor of Christianity of your choice.

This is what these people believe....


It's kind of a smoky, Sriracha flavored Christianity.
 
2013-12-10 02:42:02 PM  
Well in their defense, a satanist monument is likely to attract satan himself, who is sure to possess the Oklahoma lawmakers and force them to do his bidding by passing socialists laws like medicaid expansion or expanding food assistance for poor children.
 
2013-12-10 02:42:06 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Satanism is not only a faith, but it's a faith based on the same exact mythology the Christians use to prop up their own faith.


C: I believe Jesus Christ is the son of the god who created the world, and that all who do not worship him shall be punished!

S: What a coinydink! Me too!

C: Praise Jesus!

S: Nah, fark the Nazarene. When my master ascends from the Pit, it shall be only to crush the necks of the faithful beneath the black armor of his greaves. With one hand around the throat of the weak Christ, he shall hold aloft with the other the Hellhammer and shout, 'do as thou wilt!' Then shall follow a thousand years of unending lust, as the innocent are corrupted and the temple whores of Asherah spread the holy communion of Belial, the Lesioned King.

C: Wha... what?

S: When the fog of rutting madness lifts, the befouled wombs of the whores shall give birth to seven upon seven generations of new nephilim to serve the Master. All who served well shall be rewarded with a transformation of the flesh! As they die upon the altars of sacrifice, the necromancers shall chant the ancient incantations of the bedoui and we shall be reborn as bestial demons! Our five toes shall fuse to two, and cloven-footed we shall walk among the unbelievers, slaying left and right to sate our unending hunger for violent conquest.

C: I'm scared.

S: Call out to your puny godling! He cannot save you now. A thousand years of darkness shall Lucifer reign, and mighty will be his grasp. Hail Asmodai! Hail Adra-Moloch! Hail Azazel! Hail Samael! Hail Apolloyon! Hail Satan!
 
2013-12-10 02:43:11 PM  
And people continue to learn the hard way that you shouldn't mix religion with politics.
 
2013-12-10 02:43:18 PM  

d23: Freedom of religion is the freedom to believe in the flavor of Christianity of your choice.

This is what these people believe....


If they actually got their faith based state it would quickly go from "the flavor of Christianity of your choice" to "But not Mormons because they aren't Christians" followed by "Well, not Catholics either because you know how  they are" then "and not those fruity denominations like Lutherans or the UCC" and finally "We're a state based on Southern Baptism as practiced by Reverend Buck who happens to be the governor's cousin."
 
2013-12-10 02:43:38 PM  

El_Perro: Serious Black: El_Perro: Serious Black: Anybody know how to donate to the Satanists to get their monument built?

http://www.aclu.org/donate/

I'm pretty sure the ACLU isn't going to physically build the monument, and I already donate to them anyways.

I know, I know. Just think that the ACLU's work in opposing the Ten Commandments monument is more worthwhile than the satanists' monument.


Not that I was going to stop, but I'll keep donating to them next year in the hopes that they'll help the courts issue a broad smackdown.
 
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