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2013-12-10 01:20:26 PM  
Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.
Long arms cumbersome and not facilitated for a quick draw against the speedy bear. This is why guides in bear country often carry a big bore revolver and/or bear spray.
 
2013-12-10 01:21:26 PM  
Also, unexpected shiat happens in the wilderness. To tag this as a "FAIL" shows that subby doesn't leave his basement.
 
2013-12-10 01:22:53 PM  
You mean like this
 
2013-12-10 01:58:29 PM  

Frank N Stein: Also, unexpected shiat happens in the wilderness. To tag this as a "FAIL" shows that subby doesn't leave his basement.


She failed to get eaten so its appropriate.

Now shoo!

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2013-12-10 02:08:59 PM  

Frank N Stein: To tag this as a "FAIL" shows that subby doesn't leave his basement.



You're absolutely right. In fact, on bear.fark.com it's tagged "SUCCESS".


/not subby,
//not a damn idiot, either
 
2013-12-10 02:17:39 PM  
I support our right to arm bears.
 
IP
2013-12-10 02:24:37 PM  
"The black bear population in Pennsylvania has increased from about 4,000 in the 1970s to about 14,000 today, according to the commission."

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2013-12-10 02:26:17 PM  

Frank N Stein: Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.


Black bears rarely prey on humans.  But they do occasionally.

I have been told by bear experts that if a brown bear attacks you, play dead, because 99% of the time it's a reaction to you being too close to them, and if you aren't perceived as a threat, they'll fark you up, but soon lose interest.

Conversely, if a black bear physically attacks you unprovoked, ie., absent you getting between a sow and her cubs, or you surprising it at a very short distance, it's usually because it wants to eat you, and you need to fight back with all your might because if you try to play dead you'll end up as bear shiat.

But that's a rarity, of course.
 
2013-12-10 02:26:52 PM  

IP: "The black bear population in Pennsylvania has increased from about 4,000 in the 1970s to about 14,000 today, according to the commission."

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You know why?  Because sport hunting.
 
2013-12-10 02:38:31 PM  

dittybopper: Frank N Stein: Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.

Black bears rarely prey on humans.  But they do occasionally.

I have been told by bear experts that if a brown bear attacks you, play dead, because 99% of the time it's a reaction to you being too close to them, and if you aren't perceived as a threat, they'll fark you up, but soon lose interest.

Conversely, if a black bear physically attacks you unprovoked, ie., absent you getting between a sow and her cubs, or you surprising it at a very short distance, it's usually because it wants to eat you, and you need to fight back with all your might because if you try to play dead you'll end up as bear shiat.

But that's a rarity, of course.


Getting between mama bear and her cubs is indeed scary. When I was here:

img.fark.net

And a  baby got close to me because he thought I was interesting
img.fark.net

I nearly shiat my pants.
 
2013-12-10 03:05:41 PM  
I have yet to actually go bear hunting specifically, but when I do, I'm going to take the Baker Rifle instead of my long rifle:

i54.tinypic.com

It's .62 caliber (basically, a rifled 20 gauge), which is bigger than my .54 caliber rocklock*, and in addition to the large bore, once you've fired it you still have the sword bayonet:

img.fark.net

*The difference in bullet weights is significant:  A .535" lead round ball for my flintlock weighs 230 grains.  A .615" lead ball for the Baker weighs in at a much heftier 350 grains.
 
2013-12-10 03:07:48 PM  
Just firing the rifle would most likely have frightened the black bear away.
 
2013-12-10 03:09:48 PM  
This is unacceptable.  Why do we pay for the bear patrol if this continues to happen?
 
2013-12-10 03:13:24 PM  
Guys, if you go in to the wilderness, safety is paramount. Check out this guy on youtube for wilderness survival skills if you're interested (nsfw language)
 
2013-12-10 03:22:10 PM  

Frank N Stein: Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.
Long arms cumbersome and not facilitated for a quick draw against the speedy bear. This is why guides in bear country often carry a big bore revolver and/or bear spray.



Yep. My adoptive father bought a Ruger .44 Magnum only for carrying while hunting. Just can't swing a rifle around in time, and often the bullet isn't going to make much immediate impact on the bear anyway. I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?
 
2013-12-10 03:25:04 PM  

Saiga410: This is unacceptable.  Why do we pay for the bear patrol if this continues to happen?


I'm guessing they ran out of funds.
simpsonswiki.com
 
2013-12-10 03:29:12 PM  

Mikey1969: Yep. My adoptive father bought a Ruger .44 Magnum only for carrying while hunting. Just can't swing a rifle around in time, and often the bullet isn't going to make much immediate impact on the bear anyway. I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?


From what I hear from my experience living in Kodiak, AK bear spray is very effective. Bears have some of the most sensitive noses in the animal kingdom, so spraying them with a high capsicum concentrate immobilizes them quickly
 
2013-12-10 03:34:23 PM  

Frank N Stein: Mikey1969: Yep. My adoptive father bought a Ruger .44 Magnum only for carrying while hunting. Just can't swing a rifle around in time, and often the bullet isn't going to make much immediate impact on the bear anyway. I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?

From what I hear from my experience living in Kodiak, AK bear spray is very effective. Bears have some of the most sensitive noses in the animal kingdom, so spraying them with a high capsicum concentrate immobilizes them quickly


Interesting... I know the shiat farks me up, I'm screwed if a cop sprays anyone near me, but I wasn't sure if the bear would shake it off or not. Definitely easier than pulling a revolver in a stressful situation and hoping you can take the bear out in one or two shots.
 
2013-12-10 03:38:37 PM  
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2013-12-10 03:39:07 PM  

Mikey1969: Frank N Stein: Mikey1969: Yep. My adoptive father bought a Ruger .44 Magnum only for carrying while hunting. Just can't swing a rifle around in time, and often the bullet isn't going to make much immediate impact on the bear anyway. I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?

From what I hear from my experience living in Kodiak, AK bear spray is very effective. Bears have some of the most sensitive noses in the animal kingdom, so spraying them with a high capsicum concentrate immobilizes them quickly

Interesting... I know the shiat farks me up, I'm screwed if a cop sprays anyone near me, but I wasn't sure if the bear would shake it off or not. Definitely easier than pulling a revolver in a stressful situation and hoping you can take the bear out in one or two shots.


One disadvantage with bear spray, I would assume, would be wind conditions effecting the travel of the liquid.
 
2013-12-10 03:41:59 PM  

Mikey1969: I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?


I've heard that there's a lot of bear scat out there that smells like pepper spray.

/Old joke is old.
 
2013-12-10 03:42:21 PM  

Frank N Stein: One disadvantage with bear spray, I would assume, would be wind conditions effecting the travel of the liquid.


LOL, just pictured someone spraying it directly into the wind...
 
2013-12-10 03:43:34 PM  
If only there were some way she could have protected herself

Nonsense. She had plenty of ways to protect herself. She could have vomited or pissed all over herself, or pulled out some jiu jitsu moves, or just called the police.

Any of the above would have been equally successful. These techniques are all the protection I need from wild animals, so it should work for her too.
 
2013-12-10 03:50:45 PM  

The_Sponge: Mikey1969: I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?

I've heard that there's a lot of bear scat out there that smells like pepper spray.

/Old joke is old.


So, are you telling me, that in fact, bears do shiat on the woods?
 
2013-12-10 03:58:47 PM  

Ponzholio: The_Sponge: Mikey1969: I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?

I've heard that there's a lot of bear scat out there that smells like pepper spray.

/Old joke is old.

So, are you telling me, that in fact, bears do shiat on the woods?


Someone just clued me in recently that the long-running cutesy Charmin ads were a reference to bears shiatting in the woods.

ts1.mm.bing.net

/I'm dum
 
2013-12-10 03:59:31 PM  

Ponzholio: The_Sponge: Mikey1969: I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?

I've heard that there's a lot of bear scat out there that smells like pepper spray.

/Old joke is old.

So, are you telling me, that in fact, bears do shiat on the woods?


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www.goodnewsguardian.com
 
2013-12-10 04:00:45 PM  

dittybopper: Frank N Stein: Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.

Black bears rarely prey on humans.  But they do occasionally.

I have been told by bear experts that if a brown bear attacks you, play dead, because 99% of the time it's a reaction to you being too close to them, and if you aren't perceived as a threat, they'll fark you up, but soon lose interest.

Conversely, if a black bear physically attacks you unprovoked, ie., absent you getting between a sow and her cubs, or you surprising it at a very short distance, it's usually because it wants to eat you, and you need to fight back with all your might because if you try to play dead you'll end up as bear shiat.

But that's a rarity, of course.


that is correct advice. I've spent most of my life hiking/camping in black bear country and have had a dozen or so encounters. You make yourself as big as possible and back away without turning your back. Only saw a bear charge once on some tourists that were too close to her cub despite my advice. We had a black bear kill and eat a woman in the area maybe 15 years ago. Black bears aren't as aggressive as brown bears but they don't hibernate as long which means in winter we have more hungry bears who don't have a bunch of salmon to get on. If I see a bear in summer it's no problem, if I see a bear in winter I'm seriously hesitant
 
2013-12-10 04:01:15 PM  

Mikey1969: Frank N Stein: Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.
Long arms cumbersome and not facilitated for a quick draw against the speedy bear. This is why guides in bear country often carry a big bore revolver and/or bear spray.


Yep. My adoptive father bought a Ruger .44 Magnum only for carrying while hunting. Just can't swing a rifle around in time, and often the bullet isn't going to make much immediate impact on the bear anyway. I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?


I never go outside unless I can help it, but it seems to me that it would take longer to drop your rifle, draw a pistol, cock it and fire than to just swing a rifle around.
 
2013-12-10 04:01:51 PM  

Frank N Stein: Mikey1969: Yep. My adoptive father bought a Ruger .44 Magnum only for carrying while hunting. Just can't swing a rifle around in time, and often the bullet isn't going to make much immediate impact on the bear anyway. I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?

From what I hear from my experience living in Kodiak, AK bear spray is very effective. Bears have some of the most sensitive noses in the animal kingdom, so spraying them with a high capsicum concentrate immobilizes them quickly


So far pepper spray, used properly, has worked every time on every species of bear. Its only been tried twice on polar bears though so that one doesnt have much data to back it up. By used properly it means spraying a cloud out that includes a problem bears face. Contrary to popular myth bear spray is not particularly high in capsicum and in tests it doesnt need to be. The difference between bear spray and notmal pepper spray is that bear spray containers spray a lot farther and put out much more product. That way you get the effect at disrance and dont need to be a very good aim while scared fot your life.

Incidentally there have been numerous misguided outdoorsmen who have tried to use bear spray improperly as a deterrent to potential unseen bears by spraying their tents or gear with bear spray. In several cases this has had the opposite effect on brown bears who have come into camps and licked bear spray off of tents.
 
2013-12-10 04:07:16 PM  

dittybopper: I have yet to actually go bear hunting specifically, but when I do, I'm going to take the Baker Rifle instead of my long rifle:

[i54.tinypic.com image 638x256]

It's .62 caliber (basically, a rifled 20 gauge), which is bigger than my .54 caliber rocklock*, and in addition to the large bore, once you've fired it you still have the sword bayonet:

[img.fark.net image 639x186]

*The difference in bullet weights is significant:  A .535" lead round ball for my flintlock weighs 230 grains.  A .615" lead ball for the Baker weighs in at a much heftier 350 grains.


You also have a great excuse to stay inside when it's raining.
 
2013-12-10 04:09:53 PM  
...such as not going hunting?
 
2013-12-10 04:09:59 PM  

stevetherobot: Mikey1969: Frank N Stein: Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.
Long arms cumbersome and not facilitated for a quick draw against the speedy bear. This is why guides in bear country often carry a big bore revolver and/or bear spray.


Yep. My adoptive father bought a Ruger .44 Magnum only for carrying while hunting. Just can't swing a rifle around in time, and often the bullet isn't going to make much immediate impact on the bear anyway. I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?

I never go outside unless I can help it, but it seems to me that it would take longer to drop your rifle, draw a pistol, cock it and fire than to just swing a rifle around.


There's too many variables. Are you actively hunting with the safety in the "off" position? If you're walking to a stand with your gun's safety on, the stress of the charging bear might impede your ability to quickly get into firing mode. Second, what are you hunting in the first place? If you're going for squirrels, the .22lr obviously isn't going to work against a bear. If you're hiking around in grizzly country and not actively hunting, big-bore revolvers (double action) and bear spray are preferable.

And on the bolded part: what's up with that?
 
2013-12-10 04:11:46 PM  

Frank N Stein: stevetherobot: Mikey1969: Frank N Stein: Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.
Long arms cumbersome and not facilitated for a quick draw against the speedy bear. This is why guides in bear country often carry a big bore revolver and/or bear spray.


Yep. My adoptive father bought a Ruger .44 Magnum only for carrying while hunting. Just can't swing a rifle around in time, and often the bullet isn't going to make much immediate impact on the bear anyway. I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?

I never go outside unless I can help it, but it seems to me that it would take longer to drop your rifle, draw a pistol, cock it and fire than to just swing a rifle around.

There's too many variables. Are you actively hunting with the safety in the "off" position? If you're walking to a stand with your gun's safety on, the stress of the charging bear might impede your ability to quickly get into firing mode. Second, what are you hunting in the first place? If you're going for squirrels, the .22lr obviously isn't going to work against a bear. If you're hiking around in grizzly country and not actively hunting, big-bore revolvers (double action) and bear spray are preferable.

And on the bolded part: what's up with that?


He's a robot, his metal joints will rust.
 
2013-12-10 04:13:04 PM  

Frank N Stein: And on the bolded part: what's up with that?


What if Van Helsing's outside?
 
2013-12-10 04:13:16 PM  
I've heard that not going where bears live has a high success rate against bear attacks.
 
2013-12-10 04:14:21 PM  

Uncle Pooky: I've heard that not going where bears live has a high success rate against bear attacks.


Unfortunately, lost of bears (especially black bears) like to go were people live. And that's the cause of many bear attacks.
 
2013-12-10 04:15:01 PM  

Frank N Stein: Uncle Pooky: I've heard that not going where bears live has a high success rate against bear attacks.

Unfortunately, lost of bears (especially black bears) like to go were people live. And that's the cause of many bear attacks.


lots*
 
2013-12-10 04:16:37 PM  

Frank N Stein: Frank N Stein: Uncle Pooky: I've heard that not going where bears live has a high success rate against bear attacks.

Unfortunately, lost of bears (especially black bears) like to go were people live. And that's the cause of many bear attacks.

lots*


where*
 
2013-12-10 04:17:17 PM  

Uncle Pooky: Frank N Stein: Frank N Stein: Uncle Pooky: I've heard that not going where bears live has a high success rate against bear attacks.

Unfortunately, lost of bears (especially black bears) like to go were people live. And that's the cause of many bear attacks.

lots*

where*


Damn it.
 
2013-12-10 04:20:03 PM  

stevetherobot: Mikey1969: Frank N Stein: Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.
Long arms cumbersome and not facilitated for a quick draw against the speedy bear. This is why guides in bear country often carry a big bore revolver and/or bear spray.


Yep. My adoptive father bought a Ruger .44 Magnum only for carrying while hunting. Just can't swing a rifle around in time, and often the bullet isn't going to make much immediate impact on the bear anyway. I've always wondered how effective the bear spray is. Will a pissed off bear charge right through it?

I never go outside unless I can help it, but it seems to me that it would take longer to drop your rifle, draw a pistol, cock it and fire than to just swing a rifle around.


Not really my area of expertise, but...

- you may encounter said bear while your rifle is slung, making the pistol draw/aim/fire a faster option
- you can choose a large caliber pistol that doesn't need to be cocked before firing
- if you fail to disable/dissuade the bear with the first shot (because many species are, well, tough as fark), a pistol may give you a slightly* better chance at follow-up shots, perhaps even point blank shots

/*emphasis on "slightly"
//in that situation, i'd take any advantage available
///old joke: Q: "Why do you file down the sight on your bear gun?  For a faster draw?"   A: "No, that's so it doesn't hurt so much when he takes it and shoves it up my ass."
 
2013-12-10 04:21:03 PM  

stevetherobot: I never go outside unless I can help it, but it seems to me that it would take longer to drop your rifle, draw a pistol, cock it and fire than to just swing a rifle around.


Part of the problem is that a rifle is 2 1/2 feet long, maybe 3 feet. If the bear is closing in on you, there may not be room. Seriously, you're basically swinging a big pipe around, where you instead, could drop that pipe and pull a double action revolver(That doesn't need to be cocked) and only need 6-8 inches between you and the bear. Also, a pistol is one handed, where a rifle requires two hands... As mentioned also, the pistols involved are bigger caliber than the rifles.
 
2013-12-10 04:32:36 PM  
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2013-12-10 04:33:27 PM  
MILL HALL, Pa. (AP) - A black bear attacked a teenager in central Pennsylvania as she hunted deer on a family farm, state police said Tuesday.

Oh, you know if it was a white bear it wouldn't say that in the first sentence.
 
2013-12-10 04:33:45 PM  

Frank N Stein: dittybopper: Frank N Stein: Bears very rarely prey on humans, so they're almost 100% defense attacks. Often a bear will be unseen until the last moments before a charge. This happens when a you spook an unsuspecting bear that's hiding. Of course, when they pop out for a charge they're very quick.

Black bears rarely prey on humans.  But they do occasionally.

I have been told by bear experts that if a brown bear attacks you, play dead, because 99% of the time it's a reaction to you being too close to them, and if you aren't perceived as a threat, they'll fark you up, but soon lose interest.

Conversely, if a black bear physically attacks you unprovoked, ie., absent you getting between a sow and her cubs, or you surprising it at a very short distance, it's usually because it wants to eat you, and you need to fight back with all your might because if you try to play dead you'll end up as bear shiat.

But that's a rarity, of course.

Getting between mama bear and her cubs is indeed scary. When I was here:

[img.fark.net image 604x453]

And a  baby got close to me because he thought I was interesting
[img.fark.net image 604x453]

I nearly shiat my pants.


When I was running on the trail at work a few years ago, I heard some rustling in the woods.  I stopped and went to investigate.  I didn't see or hear anything further so I continued my run.  I few seconds later I heard a car honking on the road.  I looked up and saw a female black bear sauntering directly toward me.  The car honked its horn again and the bear changed course.  The people in the vehicle shouted that a cub was in the woods.  That was the rustling sound that I heard and momma didn't like it.  Since the track is a figure 8, I decided to head on back to the fitness center.  Didn't want to run into them again.

/CSB
 
2013-12-10 04:38:22 PM  

skrame: MILL HALL, Pa. (AP) - A black bear attacked a teenager in central Pennsylvania as she hunted deer on a family farm, state police said Tuesday.

Oh, you know if it was a white bear it wouldn't say that in the first sentence.


"Racist Bear" brings out a lot of interesting GIS results.

static.fjcdn.com

i.imgur.com

d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2013-12-10 05:00:41 PM  

Mikey1969: stevetherobot: I never go outside unless I can help it, but it seems to me that it would take longer to drop your rifle, draw a pistol, cock it and fire than to just swing a rifle around.

Part of the problem is that a rifle is 2 1/2 feet long, maybe 3 feet. If the bear is closing in on you, there may not be room. Seriously, you're basically swinging a big pipe around, where you instead, could drop that pipe and pull a double action revolver(That doesn't need to be cocked) and only need 6-8 inches between you and the bear. Also, a pistol is one handed, where a rifle requires two hands... As mentioned also, the pistols involved are bigger caliber than the rifles.


Just making a big noise by firing qa shot not even aiming at a black bear will probably frighten it away
 
2013-12-10 05:04:22 PM  

mikaloyd: Mikey1969: stevetherobot: I never go outside unless I can help it, but it seems to me that it would take longer to drop your rifle, draw a pistol, cock it and fire than to just swing a rifle around.

Part of the problem is that a rifle is 2 1/2 feet long, maybe 3 feet. If the bear is closing in on you, there may not be room. Seriously, you're basically swinging a big pipe around, where you instead, could drop that pipe and pull a double action revolver(That doesn't need to be cocked) and only need 6-8 inches between you and the bear. Also, a pistol is one handed, where a rifle requires two hands... As mentioned also, the pistols involved are bigger caliber than the rifles.

Just making a big noise by firing qa shot not even aiming at a black bear will probably frighten it away


Yeah but if you're going to bother to take the time to aim and fire, it might as well be to make sure the threat is stopped
 
2013-12-10 05:07:41 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-10 05:10:23 PM  

Frank N Stein: mikaloyd: Mikey1969: stevetherobot: I never go outside unless I can help it, but it seems to me that it would take longer to drop your rifle, draw a pistol, cock it and fire than to just swing a rifle around.

Part of the problem is that a rifle is 2 1/2 feet long, maybe 3 feet. If the bear is closing in on you, there may not be room. Seriously, you're basically swinging a big pipe around, where you instead, could drop that pipe and pull a double action revolver(That doesn't need to be cocked) and only need 6-8 inches between you and the bear. Also, a pistol is one handed, where a rifle requires two hands... As mentioned also, the pistols involved are bigger caliber than the rifles.

Just making a big noise by firing qa shot not even aiming at a black bear will probably frighten it away

Yeah but if you're going to bother to take the time to aim and fire, it might as well be to make sure the threat is stopped


When armchair bear warriors fight one another, GUESS WHAT THE ARMCHAIR BEARS ARE DOING.
 
2013-12-10 05:11:40 PM  

thamike: Frank N Stein: mikaloyd: Mikey1969: stevetherobot: I never go outside unless I can help it, but it seems to me that it would take longer to drop your rifle, draw a pistol, cock it and fire than to just swing a rifle around.

Part of the problem is that a rifle is 2 1/2 feet long, maybe 3 feet. If the bear is closing in on you, there may not be room. Seriously, you're basically swinging a big pipe around, where you instead, could drop that pipe and pull a double action revolver(That doesn't need to be cocked) and only need 6-8 inches between you and the bear. Also, a pistol is one handed, where a rifle requires two hands... As mentioned also, the pistols involved are bigger caliber than the rifles.

Just making a big noise by firing qa shot not even aiming at a black bear will probably frighten it away

Yeah but if you're going to bother to take the time to aim and fire, it might as well be to make sure the threat is stopped

When armchair bear warriors fight one another, GUESS WHAT THE ARMCHAIR BEARS ARE DOING.


I'm starting to lose track of which "Mike" is which in this thread
 
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