vudukungfu: third time today?
ikanreed: You can make a way better case for chimp personhood than fetuses.
To The Escape Zeppelin!: ikanreed: You can make a way better case for chimp personhood than fetuses.Hmm. I don't think I agree that either should have personhood but I think you can make a better case for fetuses than chimps. Fetuses have the potential for personhood while chimps will never be more than smart animals. Fetuses can be compared to an unconscious man while chimps are a comatose man. One will wake up to personhood while the other will not.
ikanreed: You can make a way better case for chimp personhood than fetuses."They have brain activity and heartbeats" describes any animal you're likely to see on land
fanbladesaresharp: ikanreed: You can make a way better case for chimp personhood than fetuses."They have brain activity and heartbeats" describes any animal you're likely to see on landHalf serious and half snark, should they get legal status sill this "group" also petition for abortion rights, get free condoms from planned parenthood and monkey dads have to pay baby monkey support in bananas?
Arkanaut: I hate every ape I seeFrom chimpan-A to chimpan-ZNo, you'll never make a monkey out of me!
RandomAxe: "People should not be treated like cattle! And probably even cattle should not be treated like cattle." - Ashleigh BrilliantYet if, say, poison accidentally gets into your pet food, the law only values your pet at some generic replacement cost, so the pet food company would only have to buy you another dog or cat. Pets have no rights to speak of.
dusty15893: What's next Chimpanzee gay marriage?[3.bp.blogspot.com image 500x407]
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RandomAxe: Pets have no rights to speak of.
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RandomAxe: George Babbitt: As it should be. This is a good thing.Note that I didn't say pets should have the same rights as humans. The issue is whether they should have any rights. It's arguable that they have some minor automatic protection under the law in terms of bans on animal cruelty, which most people would say is a good thing. But those laws are narrowly constructed and construed, and the current situation isn't necessarily for the best. There's a lot of room between 'basically no rights' and 'the same rights as a citizen'.ArcadianRefugee: if chimps -- I'm sorry, chimpanzees ("chimps" would probably be considered just as racists as referring to the Japanese as "Japs") -- are considered legal persons, they should have the right to live where they choose and not be shuttled off to whatever ghetto we assign them to.Legal persons, as it were, don't have the right to live where they choose. You're actually very sharply restricted. The average chimpanzee, if released from captivity, can't just go out and rent an apartment. Some sort of halfway house or shelter would, in fact, be a direct analogue to what we do for humans. And those places often aren't as nice as the better animal shelters, god knows.I'm not arguing in favor of giving any non-human animals the same rights as US citizens. I'm just saying that there's plenty of room for sensible debate.
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