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2013-12-11 01:20:04 AM  

Ant: grinding_journalist:
[img.fark.net image 414x310]
/ok maybe that last one
//friend asked how big the new lens was

WANT!!! Those are farking expensive!


Not really.

i00.i.aliimg.com

Your chinatown should have them.
 
2013-12-11 01:28:25 AM  
I don't like those much. Everything in them always looks brownish and muddy.
 
2013-12-11 03:54:59 AM  
imfallen_angel:
If you're going around looking for angles, lighting and shots, then you are a clueless moron that should not have a camera in your hands.

And that's how I know when there's a wannabee around, and he'll probably be the most annoying idiot around.


Is this the best photography troll I have ever seen?
 
2013-12-11 09:03:22 AM  

Ant: WANT!!! Those are farking expensive!


Don't I know it. And my wife knows it. And my bank knows it, since they technically own it.

/I'd rather use it while I pay for it even if it costs me a bit extra
//and they STILL won't let me shoot at Indy or Texas
///anyone have any contacts in motorsports?
 
2013-12-11 09:38:53 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Dude really? If you don't take into account angles, lighting, background you're going to get POS pictures that your mom could have taken.

/you might be right about the wannabee part, because you're an annoying idiot.


Dragonflew: Is this the best photography troll I have ever seen?


You know how I know that you are clueless wannabees?

Take notes and troll right back if you need to do a pissing content


a) If you can't adjust a camera on manual faster than the auto mode(s), you're not a photographer.

b) For the "party/activity" scenario:

Someone with a clue, I repeat, will have checked the place, the environment ahead of time, at arrival, made the adjustments to the camera already, and won't be "looking" for angles and lighting, he'll already know them and will just need to get in position according to the subject, make any minor adjustments required and take the shot quickly and move on.
i478.photobucket.com

The idiots that walk around, doing the big "artistic" stance and needing to do a dozen adjustments, place people, and need to set the shot up to create a false "candid" moment shouldn't be allowed a camera so to claim that they are photographers, they are cheap amateurs that are following a dorky manual for the clueless.
i478.photobucket.com

If you can't simply know what a good shot is without all the wannabe crap, you're not a photographer. This includes taking dozens of pictures (including having the camera set at multiple FPS) in the hope that one will be good.

If your taking pictures makes you feel important instead of being something you enjoy, you aren't a photographer.

If you need more than a 1-2 seconds to take the picture, you aren't a photographer.
i478.photobucket.com


If you create a disturbance and can't be "invisible, move in, take your shot, and move to the next location quickly, you aren't a photographer

i478.photobucket.com

c) For the sport/exterior events/wildlife:

If you aren't able to take a shot in less than a second, as these need to be done very fast, you aren't a photographer

i478.photobucket.com

If you don't know what lens to use, you aren't a photographer.

If you aren't able to get in the best location for the shots, you aren't a photographer
i478.photobucket.com


d) Macro
i478.photobucket.com

inside setup: If you haven't prepared a proper environment or see one just by looking, you aren't a photographer

i478.photobucket.com

outside setup: if you don't know what time of the day you should go out for the sun to be at the best angle for the shots you're do doing, you aren't a photographer

i478.photobucket.com


If you're not able to evaluate the conditions and make corrections to the settings on the fly, you aren't a photographer

If you don't have patience, you aren't a photographer

e) landscape
i478.photobucket.com


If you assume that any time of the day, this can be done, you aren't a photographer

i478.photobucket.com

If you haven't scouted ahead, you aren't a photographer

And if you can't see the beauty in the most mundane things and capture it, you aren't a photographer

i478.photobucket.com

/yes, these are all my pictures
//yes the compression on some needs to be redone.
 
2013-12-11 09:54:21 AM  
A few more for god measure..
i478.photobucket.com

i478.photobucket.com
i478.photobucket.com


And for all my pictures, I've used many different type of cameras, from DSLR, to high-end (pre-DSLR) digital cameras, to film ones, etc.

The camera accounts for the quality of the film, sensor, and lens, the rest in the person behind it, and a good photographer (or someone with skills and a good eye) is able to manage amazing images from just about any camera, even crappy ones.

The reverse isn't true... the best (or most expensive) camera in the world in the hands of a wannabee, will produce wannabee pictures.  "Best" scenario will be that the camera's system will be so good that it will compensate for the person's lacking... but he'll never admit to it (and always shot on the automatic mode(s)).
 
2013-12-11 10:00:44 AM  
Maybe I can provide the next topic for their science grant quest: Drive a passenger (sitting in the front seat) in a car to a location they've not been to before. Discover they don't remember the way very well. Next, have them drive to a location they've never been to before, discover they remember the path better because they drove it.

Conclusion: A person will remember more when they are forced to concentrate on the topic.

Wait: Isn't that the same conclusion as this study? You mean, it has little to do with technology of your phone, but merely the human condition?

Wow, I think we've all learned something here today.
 
2013-12-11 10:35:22 AM  

imfallen_angel: relaxitsjustme: Dude really? If you don't take into account angles, lighting, background you're going to get POS pictures that your mom could have taken.

/you might be right about the wannabee part, because you're an annoying idiot.

Dragonflew: Is this the best photography troll I have ever seen?

You know how I know that you are clueless wannabees?

Take notes and troll right back if you need to do a pissing content


a) If you can't adjust a camera on manual faster than the auto mode(s), you're not a photographer.

b) For the "party/activity" scenario:

Someone with a clue, I repeat, will have checked the place, the environment ahead of time, at arrival, made the adjustments to the camera already, and won't be "looking" for angles and lighting, he'll already know them and will just need to get in position according to the subject, make any minor adjustments required and take the shot quickly and move on.
[i478.photobucket.com image 850x637]


Remember upthread when I said that there is no smug like pro photographer smug? I was referring to your comments. Add photography to the long list of subjects you are a total farking asshole about.
 
2013-12-11 11:03:33 AM  

Dragonflew: Remember upthread when I said that there is no smug like pro photographer smug? I was referring to your comments. Add photography to the long list of subjects you are a total farking asshole about.


Plus he spells "wannabe" wrong.
 
2013-12-11 11:16:36 AM  

Dragonflew: Remember upthread when I said that there is no smug like pro photographer smug? I was referring to your comments. Add photography to the long list of subjects you are a total farking asshole about.


awwww... I'm so glad to have pissed in your cereal then.

What's funny is that what my post(s) are about, is the fact that many wannabees will be asshats that claim to be photographers while being clueless, as they take nothing but snapshots (letting the automated settings of the camera do everything) and think that makes them skilled.

So it's very ironic that you're just too stupid to understand that.

My points are that if you are so farking clueless about photography, but still pursue a career in it, act like an asshat about it, you shouldn't bother.

And the double irony is that you wine :

"There is no smug like professional photographer smug. Any other type of artist will help and encourage people getting into the field. All I have ever seen from professional photographers is insults fired at anyone who buys a camera worth less than $2K, and snide comments without even seeing the photos. When I meet a photographer, I don't even mention I have a camera, because I don't want them immediately turning into an asshole. "

then you call me a troll... when I state that the camera only matters to an extent, and that someone with skills, will simply have skills and take great pictures

Maybe stating that I used to teach photography (and darkroom) in my younger days, and still take my time to help newcomers into the "art" of photography, regardless of their equipment might help you get my point(s), which are: get a clue, look around, get to know your camera, the environment, go with your guts, have fun, and do more than just snapshots, learn to use the manual setting, and understand why you need to know how to use it.  And: practice, practice and more practice until it's second nature to not even have to wonder about your aperture, speed, ISO, etc... you just set them as if the camera is an extension of yourself.

If you can just be somewhere and instinctively know what stop, speed and ISO to use, visualize the framing of the image before you even bring the camera up to your eye, then odds are, the pictures you'll take will be great.

P.S.: I've never owned/bough a camera that was over 1K.. heck, my present D-SLR was around the 500$ range, I don't need the fancy crap that the higher end provides, (but I would love to eventually get a full frame sensor model) I didn't have it with my 35mm, as I use manual for just about everything, and have invested more into my lens and other accessories, which I've never really could afford a fortune anyways.

The important things that matters the most for any digital camera is : quality of the sensor (and the shutter), ability to be fully manual, and sensitivity to light (high ISO).

With film cameras, it used to be: the mechanics of the camera... as the film's quality dealt with the image quality and sensitivity to light.

(and of course, quality lens for any camera)

Anyways, guess you feel threatened somehow... maybe these "pros" that you whined about turn into assholes not because you have a camera, but because you're a dumbass, so continue with the childish attacks.
 
2013-12-11 11:20:47 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Dragonflew: Remember upthread when I said that there is no smug like pro photographer smug? I was referring to your comments. Add photography to the long list of subjects you are a total farking asshole about.

Plus he spells "wannabe" wrong.


The hell you say... might as well get the torches and pitchforks...
 
2013-12-11 11:34:36 AM  

Dragonflew: There is no smug like professional photographer smug. Any other type of artist will help and encourage people getting into the field. All I have ever seen from professional photographers is insults fired at anyone who buys a camera worth less than $2K,


...check!

and snide comments without even seeing the photos.

...check!

When I meet a photographer, I don't even mention I have a camera, because I don't want them immediately turning into an asshole.

...aaaand check.

I'm not threatened at all. I own a camera and enjoy taking pictures from time to time., NOWHERE did I say I was any good. I think pro photographers are the ones who feel threatened, as even a blind person can get a great shot with today's cameras, and many of their "skills" are becoming obsolete.
 
2013-12-11 11:45:59 AM  

imfallen_angel: Quantum Apostrophe: Dragonflew: Remember upthread when I said that there is no smug like pro photographer smug? I was referring to your comments. Add photography to the long list of subjects you are a total farking asshole about.

Plus he spells "wannabe" wrong.

The hell you say... might as well get the torches and pitchforks...


...and a beekeeper suit.
 
2013-12-11 12:14:32 PM  

imfallen_angel: Dragonflew: Remember upthread when I said that there is no smug like pro photographer smug? I was referring to your comments. Add photography to the long list of subjects you are a total farking asshole about.

awwww... I'm so glad to have pissed in your cereal then.

What's funny is that what my post(s) are about, is the fact that many wannabees will be asshats that claim to be photographers while being clueless, as they take nothing but snapshots (letting the automated settings of the camera do everything) and think that makes them skilled.

So it's very ironic that you're just too stupid to understand that.

My points are that if you are so farking clueless about photography, but still pursue a career in it, act like an asshat about it, you shouldn't bother.

And the double irony is that you wine :

"There is no smug like professional photographer smug. Any other type of artist will help and encourage people getting into the field. All I have ever seen from professional photographers is insults fired at anyone who buys a camera worth less than $2K, and snide comments without even seeing the photos. When I meet a photographer, I don't even mention I have a camera, because I don't want them immediately turning into an asshole. "

then you call me a troll... when I state that the camera only matters to an extent, and that someone with skills, will simply have skills and take great pictures

Maybe stating that I used to teach photography (and darkroom) in my younger days, and still take my time to help newcomers into the "art" of photography, regardless of their equipment might help you get my point(s), which are: get a clue, look around, get to know your camera, the environment, go with your guts, have fun, and do more than just snapshots, learn to use the manual setting, and understand why you need to know how to use it.  And: practice, practice and more practice until it's second nature to not even have to wonder about your aperture, speed, ISO, etc... you just se ...


Good god dude back of the Ritalin or something, you've gone full-douche.
 
2013-12-11 12:22:08 PM  

Dragonflew: as even a blind person can get a great shot with today's cameras, and many of their "skills" are becoming obsolete.


hmm.. you need to look at what some "young kids" are doing lately.. and it's nowhere close to being due to automated cameras, just imagination, skills and a passion for it.

Fark gets links for these once in a while.. I should have saved a few... the last one in particular that I remember. the girl took amazing images in the forest... no photoshops, just amazing images that took a lot of work.  I really wish I had bookmarked her site.
 
2013-12-11 12:27:17 PM  

Barfmaker: Good god dude back of the Ritalin or something, you've gone full-douche.


Let's see, I'm bringing up points about photography, but yet you take the time to post an insult...nothing worth-while..

Nice...
 
2013-12-11 01:00:01 PM  
Isn't this the same thing they said about Google 10 years ago?
 
2013-12-11 01:22:06 PM  

Dragonflew: imfallen_angel: relaxitsjustme: Dude really? If you don't take into account angles, lighting, background you're going to get POS pictures that your mom could have taken.

/you might be right about the wannabee part, because you're an annoying idiot.

Dragonflew: Is this the best photography troll I have ever seen?


Remember upthread when I said that there is no smug like pro photographer smug? I was referring to your comments. Add photography to the long list of subjects you are a total farking asshole about.


Thanks for picking the phrase I now have imfallen_angel tagged with.  Internetfistbump.jpg
 
2013-12-11 03:50:19 PM  

imfallen_angel: relaxitsjustme: Dude really? If you don't take into account angles, lighting, background you're going to get POS pictures that your mom could have taken.

/you might be right about the wannabee part, because you're an annoying idiot.

Dragonflew: Is this the best photography troll I have ever seen?

You know how I know that you are clueless wannabees?

Take notes and troll right back if you need to do a pissing content


a) If you can't adjust a camera on manual faster than the auto mode(s), you're not a photographer.

b) For the "party/activity" scenario:

Someone with a clue, I repeat, will have checked the place, the environment ahead of time, at arrival, made the adjustments to the camera already, and won't be "looking" for angles and lighting, he'll already know them and will just need to get in position according to the subject, make any minor adjustments required and take the shot quickly and move on.


The idiots that walk around, doing the big "artistic" stance and needing to do a dozen adjustments, place people, and need to set the shot up to create a false "candid" moment shouldn't be allowed a camera so to claim that they are photographers, they are cheap amateurs that are following a dorky manual for the clueless.


If you can't simply know what a good shot is without all the wannabe crap, you're not a photographer. This includes taking dozens of pictures (including having the camera set at multiple FPS) in the hope that one will be good.

If your taking pictures makes you feel important instead of being something you enjoy, you aren't a photographer.

If you need more than a 1-2 seconds to take the picture, you aren't a photographer.



If you create a disturbance and can't be "invisible, move in, take your shot, and move to the next location quickly, you aren't a photographer



c) For the sport/exterior events/wildlife:

If you aren't able to take a shot in less than a second, as these need to be done very fast, you aren't a photographer



If you don't know what lens to use, you aren't a photographer.

If you aren't able to get in the best location for the shots, you aren't a photographer



d) Macro


inside setup: If you haven't prepared a proper environment or see one just by looking, you aren't a photographer



outside setup: if you don't know what time of the day you should go out for the sun to be at the best angle for the shots you're do doing, you aren't a photographer




If you're not able to evaluate the conditions and make corrections to the settings on the fly, you aren't a photographer

If you don't have patience, you aren't a photographer

e) landscape



If you assume that any time of the day, this can be done, you aren't a photographer



If you haven't scouted ahead, you aren't a photographer

And if you can't see the beauty in the most mundane things and capture it, you aren't a photographer



/yes, these are all my pictures
//yes the compression on some needs to be redone.


...but I can be a True Scotsman on Fark.
 
2013-12-11 04:08:22 PM  

Fano: ...but I can be a True Scotsman on Fark.


Considering that people take things way too seriously on Fark and get their panties in such a knot... I find it funny how some assume so much with so little.

This thread is a funny example of this, which I had fun with.
 
2013-12-11 06:33:40 PM  
P.S. Photography is like Karaoke... everyone can do it, doesn't mean you can sing.
 
2013-12-11 08:45:40 PM  
I'm not going to join the current pissing match, but just want to reiterate that one CAN go to the beach, a party, etc., enjoy themselves, and take the occasional snapshot. If you CAN'T do that you're pretty farking pathetic.
 
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