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(Sportige)   Nothing is actually shocking when it comes to the Cleveland Browns being historically awful, but the fact that Jason Campbell, statistically, is their best quarterback since Bernie Kosar manages to raise an eyebrow or two   ( sportige.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Bernie Kosar, Jason Campbell, Browns, Brian Hoyer, quarterback, Brandon Weeden, Tim Couch  
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2013-12-10 10:07:55 AM  
I for one welcome the second coming of JC.
 
2013-12-10 11:02:39 AM  
Having Josh Gordon turn routine 15 yard gains into long touchdowns helped his stats a wee bit.
 
2013-12-10 11:09:06 AM  

varmitydog: Having Josh Gordon turn routine 15 yard gains into long touchdowns helped his stats a wee bit.


And, like the Browns' playoff hopes, done rather quickly.
 
2013-12-10 11:11:58 AM  
Aw, crap, we gotta call this guy "QB BROWNS" now, too?
 
2013-12-10 11:12:30 AM  
I wonder if Jason is the best Raiders QB since Gannon.   Hell, if it wasn't for RG3 Campbell might be one of the better Redskins quarterbacks of the last twenty years. Jason Campbell has played for a lot of really bad teams.
 
2013-12-10 11:19:15 AM  
Bernie Bernie
Oh baby
We gotta go
Super Bowl

/ you're welcome, Browns fans
 
2013-12-10 11:25:55 AM  

llortcM_yllort: I wonder if Jason is the best Raiders QB since Gannon.   Hell, if it wasn't for RG3 Dan Snyder,  Campbell might be one of the better Redskins quarterbacks of the last twenty years. Jason Campbell has played for a lot of really bad teams.


FTFY.
 
2013-12-10 11:36:00 AM  
Not surprising.  Campbell was decent with the Redskins, but suffered from inept coaching.  Same with the Raiders, and now, with the Browns, it sounds like he is getting some decent game planning in there.  He'll never be great, but he can be very good.  I was surprised that it took the Browns to take so long to get him in there.
 
2013-12-10 11:39:55 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Not surprising.  Campbell was decent with the Redskins, but suffered from inept coaching.  Same with the Raiders, and now, with the Browns, it sounds like he is getting some decent game planning in there.  He'll never be great, but he can be very good.  I was surprised that it took the Browns to take so long to get him in there.


They really wanted to see if Weeden was going to pan out.
 
2013-12-10 11:53:03 AM  
My take on that would be that maybe Bernie Kosar wasn't that good
 
2013-12-10 12:01:07 PM  

llortcM_yllort: I wonder if Jason is the best Raiders QB since Gannon.   Hell, if it wasn't for RG3 Campbell might be one of the better Redskins quarterbacks of the last twenty years. Jason Campbell has played for a lot of really bad teams.


I had this discussion last night during the Bears game.  His stint with the Bears was pretty bad, but  they have made big O-line improvements since then.  That was a terrible line he played behind.
 
2013-12-10 12:01:33 PM  
JC wasn't bad for the Bears.
 
2013-12-10 12:17:32 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Not surprising.  Campbell was decent with the Redskins, but suffered from inept coaching.  Same with the Raiders, and now, with the Browns, it sounds like he is getting some decent game planning in there.  He'll never be great, but he can be very good.  I was surprised that it took the Browns to take so long to get him in there.


I am not sure I have seen anyone throw a 3 yard out on 3 and long better than Jason Campbell.

Campbell wasn't very good. At his best he was a low turnover, high accuracy QB who thrived on shorter passes who took too many sacks. Even with the shortcomings of the team he's been on, he's been pretty average, which is still better than most of the QBs who see the field.
 
2013-12-10 12:17:51 PM  

neglogon: My take on that would be that maybe Bernie Kosar wasn't that good


He was as mobile as a newborn giraffe (and looked like one running) but he could read a defense and hit the slant route through a tight window all day long.

With even a mediocre QB the Browns are decent - it remains to be seen if we can get someone who qualifies as "good".
 
2013-12-10 12:32:49 PM  
Josh Gordon is making Jason Campbell look good.
 
2013-12-10 01:05:27 PM  

The Smails Kid: Bernie Bernie
Oh baby
We gotta go
Super Bowl

/ you're welcome, Browns fans


brennan breaks open, the victory's sealed!

//cries a bit
 
2013-12-10 01:19:25 PM  
I'd be curious to know what Hoyer's rating looked like in his brief time.

Also, most people forget...back in that draft, ALex Smith went #1 overall, Aaron Rodgers was the second QB taken by Green Bay at like 24. Jason Campbell was the very next pick after Rodgers.
 
2013-12-10 01:27:01 PM  

xaks: I'd be curious to know what Hoyer's rating looked like in his brief time.

Also, most people forget...back in that draft, ALex Smith went #1 overall, Aaron Rodgers was the second QB taken by Green Bay at like 24. Jason Campbell was the very next pick after Rodgers.


His passer rating was 82-83, so negligibly worse than Campbell's rating.
 
2013-12-10 01:34:30 PM  

redmid17: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Not surprising.  Campbell was decent with the Redskins, but suffered from inept coaching.  Same with the Raiders, and now, with the Browns, it sounds like he is getting some decent game planning in there.  He'll never be great, but he can be very good.  I was surprised that it took the Browns to take so long to get him in there.

I am not sure I have seen anyone throw a 3 yard out on 3 and long better than Jason Campbell.

Campbell wasn't very good. At his best he was a low turnover, high accuracy QB who thrived on shorter passes who took too many sacks. Even with the shortcomings of the team he's been on, he's been pretty average, which is still better than most halfof the QBs who see the field.


FTFY
 
2013-12-10 01:49:21 PM  

uncle soondead: redmid17: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Not surprising.  Campbell was decent with the Redskins, but suffered from inept coaching.  Same with the Raiders, and now, with the Browns, it sounds like he is getting some decent game planning in there.  He'll never be great, but he can be very good.  I was surprised that it took the Browns to take so long to get him in there.

I am not sure I have seen anyone throw a 3 yard out on 3 and long better than Jason Campbell.

Campbell wasn't very good. At his best he was a low turnover, high accuracy QB who thrived on shorter passes who took too many sacks. Even with the shortcomings of the team he's been on, he's been pretty average, which is still better than most halfof the QBs who see the field.

FTFY


Let me clarify that. He's been better than most of the QBs because some of the starters get hurt and the backups have roundly played poorly. Around 40 or so QBs a year get 100 or more attempts (3-4 games). Campbell has performed better than most of that list. Of course his durability has been suspect the past few years, but he's still been better when healthy
 
2013-12-10 02:32:35 PM  

redmid17: Let me clarify that. He's been better than most of the QBs because some of the starters get hurt and the backups have roundly played poorly. Around 40 or so QBs a year get 100 or more attempts (3-4 games). Campbell has performed better than most of that list. Of course his durability has been suspect the past few years, but he's still been better when healthy


I think part of the checkdown legend against Campbell isn't entirely fair.  He's been coached to do that, and I can't think of a receiver corps he's had until this year that's been able to get open consistently.
 
2013-12-10 02:49:47 PM  
Lotsa good getting open does if you can't catch.
 
2013-12-10 03:04:12 PM  
I thought Jason was good with the Redskins, but he didn't have much to work with. Was sorry when they let him go.
 
2013-12-10 03:06:56 PM  

varmitydog: Having Josh Gordon turn routine 15 yard gains into long touchdowns helped his stats a wee bit.


Well, to be fair, last week he did the same thing for Brandon Weeden...who, aside from that horrid 2 1/2 minute stretch before the half, didn't play that badly.

/And he actually played better after his alleged concussion, unlike some pony-related former Browns QB I can name...
 
2013-12-10 03:08:01 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: redmid17: Let me clarify that. He's been better than most of the QBs because some of the starters get hurt and the backups have roundly played poorly. Around 40 or so QBs a year get 100 or more attempts (3-4 games). Campbell has performed better than most of that list. Of course his durability has been suspect the past few years, but he's still been better when healthy

I think part of the checkdown legend against Campbell isn't entirely fair.  He's been coached to do that, and I can't think of a receiver corps he's had until this year that's been able to get open consistently.


Even if he's been coached to do that, it's still a knock. He's essentially ceding the drive. He wasn't always checking down to a RB or TE either. A lot of times he just threw the ball short of the sticks.

And while guys like Santana Moss, Randle-El, and Cooley/Davis aren't world beaters, they turned in respectable years. Granted the Bears oline last year was god awful, but I saw him do the same thing last year even guys like Bennett or Jeffery were further downfield.
 
2013-12-10 03:08:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: llortcM_yllort: I wonder if Jason is the best Raiders QB since Gannon.   Hell, if it wasn't for RG3 Campbell might be one of the better Redskins quarterbacks of the last twenty years. Jason Campbell has played for a lot of really bad teams.

I had this discussion last night during the Bears game.  His stint with the Bears was pretty bad, but  they have made big O-line improvements since then.  That was a terrible line he played behind.


Basically, had the Bears kept him, he probably would be in the position Josh McCown is now...namely, asking the question "Do they even need Cutler anymore?"
 
2013-12-10 03:10:35 PM  
Is it me or have the Browns basically sucked since they got put in the AFC?
 
2013-12-10 03:15:24 PM  

redmid17: And while guys like Santana Moss, Randle-El, and Cooley/Davis aren't world beaters, they turned in respectable years. Granted the Bears oline last year was god awful, but I saw him do the same thing last year even guys like Bennett or Jeffery were further downfield.


Thank you. At least one person isn't going to buy into the idiocy of "Jason Campbell is a good QB who just never had a chance even though he kept getting starts due to injury for team after team after team after team."
 
2013-12-10 03:39:15 PM  

TheWhoppah: Josh Gordon is making Jason Campbell look good.


Gordon is helping the offense in general look good. Defenses can't pack the line and short routes now or Gordon will get behind them, so they leave space for Cameron Jordan, Bess and Little to operate. Granted, other than Jordan the WR's and TE's aren't much in the way of receiving threats and the Browns still can't run worth a damn, but Gordon almost singlehandedly has made the team worth watching again for me.

/Browns fan since 1981
//It's my wife's fault
 
2013-12-10 07:28:43 PM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

I've followed JC for years since his days at Auburn (WDE).  At Auburn (WDE) he always graded very high because he took what the defense gave him.  The problem is that the defense gave him the 3 yard sideline out on 3rd and 17...and he took it.

This has carried to his pro career.  He has very good skills and doesn't force the ball, but it takes forcing the ball AND making it work to take a team to the next level.  Browns fans...he is a VERY good fit for 2-3 seasons if they build a stout defense.  He won't carry a team, but he can be a playoff QB if other pieces come into play.

Something else about JC - I'd have to do a fact check here, but I think I'm right.  He hasn't had the same OC for consecutive years since high school.  If he were allowed to "bake" into a system I think he could take the next step.

/WDE
 
2013-12-10 10:14:47 PM  

Bendal: TheWhoppah: Josh Gordon is making Jason Campbell look good.

Gordon is helping the offense in general look good. Defenses can't pack the line and short routes now or Gordon will get behind them, so they leave space for Cameron Jordan, Bess and Little to operate. Granted, other than Jordan the WR's and TE's aren't much in the way of receiving threats and the Browns still can't run worth a damn, but Gordon almost singlehandedly has made the team worth watching again for me.

/Browns fan since 1981
//It's my wife's fault


Thanks to this four-game stretch, he went from middle of the pack of receivers to leading the league in receiving yards (1,400 even now; next is Megatron with 1,348).  Problem is, the Browns are 0-4 in that stretch. Which is why I have dubbed Gordon the "professional hope spot".

/Some call him "Flash", others call him "JG", I call him "Ricky Morton".
 
2013-12-10 11:55:30 PM  
I wonder how McCoy and Weeden would have turned out if they had been drafted a few rounds in by decent teams instead of the Browns. The team (really, almost any terrible team with a high first round pick) is just a meat grinder for young quarterbacks. I'm not sure QB's drafted in the first round have much of a chance unless they're truly exceptional as opposed to simply very good.
 
2013-12-11 12:27:58 AM  

wraith95: I wonder how McCoy and Weeden would have turned out if they had been drafted a few rounds in by decent teams instead of the Browns. The team (really, almost any terrible team with a high first round pick) is just a meat grinder for young quarterbacks. I'm not sure QB's drafted in the first round have much of a chance unless they're truly exceptional as opposed to simply very good.


McCoy would be what he is - a backup/game manager. He doesn't have the arm strength to be a starter, and everyone has been aware of that since day 1. That's why he was a 3rd rounder.

I find it hard to believe that Weeden would be any better. Like a lot of former Big 12 QBs, he's been absolutely baffled by pro sets and pro defenses, locks onto receivers and isn't mobile enough to avoid the pass rush like you need to in the NFL. His lack of mobility gets him killed, and I don't think that's an issue with the Browns.

Not to say that your theory doesn't have some merit. I think the Browns killed Tim Couch, who could have been good if not for the pounding he took. I'd even say that it's possible that Derek Anderson might have been a better QB if he didn't get thrust into the fire here. Weeden and McCoy are bad examples, though.
 
2013-12-11 04:15:00 AM  

lacydog: wraith95: I wonder how McCoy and Weeden would have turned out if they had been drafted a few rounds in by decent teams instead of the Browns. The team (really, almost any terrible team with a high first round pick) is just a meat grinder for young quarterbacks. I'm not sure QB's drafted in the first round have much of a chance unless they're truly exceptional as opposed to simply very good.

McCoy would be what he is - a backup/game manager. He doesn't have the arm strength to be a starter, and everyone has been aware of that since day 1. That's why he was a 3rd rounder.

I find it hard to believe that Weeden would be any better. Like a lot of former Big 12 QBs, he's been absolutely baffled by pro sets and pro defenses, locks onto receivers and isn't mobile enough to avoid the pass rush like you need to in the NFL. His lack of mobility gets him killed, and I don't think that's an issue with the Browns.

Not to say that your theory doesn't have some merit. I think the Browns killed Tim Couch, who could have been good if not for the pounding he took. I'd even say that it's possible that Derek Anderson might have been a better QB if he didn't get thrust into the fire here. Weeden and McCoy are bad examples, though.


There was a three game stretch a few years ago where McCoy led the Browns to either three straight wins against great teams, or two wins and a very close loss.  I forget which.

He then got hurt and looked bad when he came back at the end of the year.
 
2013-12-11 06:48:28 AM  

lacydog: wraith95: I wonder how McCoy and Weeden would have turned out if they had been drafted a few rounds in by decent teams instead of the Browns. The team (really, almost any terrible team with a high first round pick) is just a meat grinder for young quarterbacks. I'm not sure QB's drafted in the first round have much of a chance unless they're truly exceptional as opposed to simply very good.

McCoy would be what he is - a backup/game manager. He doesn't have the arm strength to be a starter, and everyone has been aware of that since day 1. That's why he was a 3rd rounder.

I find it hard to believe that Weeden would be any better. Like a lot of former Big 12 QBs, he's been absolutely baffled by pro sets and pro defenses, locks onto receivers and isn't mobile enough to avoid the pass rush like you need to in the NFL. His lack of mobility gets him killed, and I don't think that's an issue with the Browns.

Not to say that your theory doesn't have some merit. I think the Browns killed Tim Couch, who could have been good if not for the pounding he took. I'd even say that it's possible that Derek Anderson might have been a better QB if he didn't get thrust into the fire here. Weeden and McCoy are bad examples, though.


Mike Polk (factory of sadness guy) said it best about 3 weeks ago when JC got hurt and Weeden was announced as the starter  - he basically said "Well Weeden has been announced as the started for next Sunday which means he is probably already staring at the guy he's going to throw to on the first play".

There's "having a primary target" and "Im going to throw the ball to this guy come hell or high water" and Weeden is the KING of the second choice.
 
2013-12-11 10:00:46 AM  

Fizpez: Mike Polk (factory of sadness guy) said it best about 3 weeks ago when JC got hurt and Weeden was announced as the starter  - he basically said "Well Weeden has been announced as the started for next Sunday which means he is probably already staring at the guy he's going to throw to on the first play".

There's "having a primary target" and "Im going to throw the ball to this guy come hell or high water" and Weeden is the KING of the second choice.



THIS! I was at the Steelers/Browns game a couple of weeks ago.. I was astounded at how Weeden would snap the ball and just stare down the reciever he planned on throwing it to! If I were a DB I would have a field day picking off Weeden.
 
2013-12-11 03:18:11 PM  

bkosh84: Fizpez: Mike Polk (factory of sadness guy) said it best about 3 weeks ago when JC got hurt and Weeden was announced as the starter  - he basically said "Well Weeden has been announced as the started for next Sunday which means he is probably already staring at the guy he's going to throw to on the first play".

There's "having a primary target" and "Im going to throw the ball to this guy come hell or high water" and Weeden is the KING of the second choice.


THIS! I was at the Steelers/Browns game a couple of weeks ago.. I was astounded at how Weeden would snap the ball and just stare down the reciever he planned on throwing it to! If I were a DB I would have a field day picking off Weeden.


I was at the Jags game. That's how Gordon got that 95-yard touchdown reception. The defender jumped the lane to try to pick Weeden, and Gordon got behind him.
 
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