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(IGN)   Hope you weren't planning on owning more than 20 games for your new Xbox One, the non-upgradeable hard drive reaches capacity at 362GB with the operating system taking up a whopping 30%   (ign.com) divider line 32
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2013-12-10 10:25:08 AM  
6 votes:

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Shut up, Ballmer, you cock.
2013-12-10 10:40:27 AM  
4 votes:

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Installing your games on your own machine: deliberate sabatoge.

I hope they aren't paying you a lot, you aren't good at this.
2013-12-10 10:31:36 AM  
3 votes:

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Hey, if you feel like waiting for a 20-30 GB download to install before you start playing a game that's fine, but I like having everything on a huge drive.
2013-12-10 10:30:51 AM  
3 votes:

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right?


So I upload all of my games to the cloud?  And when I launch Forza, it then downloads the 8GB+ from the cloud to launch it every time?  That sounds incredibly stupid.
2013-12-10 10:15:24 AM  
3 votes:
If you want something where you install every game to a hard drive, you want a PC. That's what that thing is.
2013-12-10 11:02:12 AM  
2 votes:

eldritch2k4: I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!


That's what you'll have to do.  Sucks really. I have hundreds of 360 games and will, on occasion, rummage thru the old ones, pull out something and spend a 1/2 hour playing just for old times sake.  If I have to go thru the entire re-install every time, which is lengthier than it should be right now, I won't be doing that anymore.
2013-12-10 10:43:22 AM  
2 votes:

sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.


It's not the OS is taking up 100+Gb is that the system is reserving 100+Gb.   That'll be swap space (if not outright swap than 'an area to dump active memory to allow for task switching when playing a game'), restore images, firmware download space and indeed the OS itself.   Considering Microsoft can't predict the future and how much space the OS will balloon to over the years (and lets be honest it is going to grow) 100GB sounds pretty sensible.

That the end user can't say "balls to it" and either replace disk outright or supplement it with a USB pack is rather dense.  Sure a blank disk = no OS in this case but even Apple have it that a Mac with a blank disk will bring up the NIC and start downloading its restore image from the mothership; I see no reason Microsoft's flagship console shouldn't be able to do that.

Also you might want to give the servers 50Gb flat, at the very least it's an extra 3Gb of 'ohh shiat' space should it start doing something... daft.  Like a process gets really god damn chatty with its logfile that just has to be on the boot drive.  Might mean the difference between catching the bastard and the box falling over.
2013-12-10 10:35:47 AM  
2 votes:

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Purposely gimping a system to force people to use a "feature" is full retard.
2013-12-10 10:14:29 AM  
2 votes:
Is that 362 actual gigabytes, or what HDD manufacturers call gigabytes?
2013-12-10 09:30:55 AM  
2 votes:
I put a 1TB Seagate hybrid SSD drive in my PS4 the instant I got it, couldn't have been any easier, $100 on Amazon.

If the upper limit is 362GB that means the three games I have for my One, DR3, Ryse and Forza 5, take up 23% of my available space less than a month into ownership.

That kind of sucks.
2013-12-10 11:04:11 PM  
1 votes:
Remember the old days when you had to install games to some old clunky computer but then they invented those awesome cartridges and CD/DVDs for games?

Thank god those days are behind us with all this new technology.
2013-12-10 10:41:46 PM  
1 votes:

WalkingCarpet: Just wanted to biatch, I put in a BD-R that I burned and the Xbox One can't read it.  Apparently it only supports mastered Blu-ray discs, not home burned discs.  I don't get it.


Because fark you, that's why.
2013-12-10 06:04:10 PM  
1 votes:

OgreMagi: ReverendJasen: OgreMagi: Why would you need to RDP into it?

Laziness.
I like Putty, I knew the BSD commandline well enough, but it just took a lot more effort to do things.  I suppose I could have scripted the maintenance tasks I was doing, but that would have required more effort as well.

A true geek stays up half the night perfecting a script to automate a task that saves 15 minutes a day.


6 hrs to design script / 15 min. = 24 days before you start saving time from the script.
2013-12-10 04:09:56 PM  
1 votes:

Shrugging Atlas: Didn't MS state they were just going to allow external HDDs to be attached via USB?


Sure. They also say they're going to let you see how full your hard drive is someday.
2013-12-10 03:24:48 PM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Uh oh, your internet just went down.  There went all your games :(
2013-12-10 02:30:47 PM  
1 votes:
2013-12-10 01:57:57 PM  
1 votes:
Well, the good news is you won't actually own the games. You just get to play them until Microsoft says you can't anymore.
2013-12-10 01:56:57 PM  
1 votes:

sure haven't: GlassWalker: Yes, I install once and forget about it.

Having to uninstall something is a sign something is wrong. It means either I need a new HDD, or something's gotta go. At some point, that balance tips to reasonable, but for me 20 games isn't that limit.

Then again, I game on PC generally, so it'll take a while to fill up 9 TB.

Ned Stark: ...yes? You can get a TB for under a hundred bucks. Storage is cheap as chips.

So what happens when you fill your hard drive? ...you just buy a new one??

I am really having a hard time understanding why someone would complain about limited hard drive space, and then just not uninstall things ever. Even if you're done using it.

Forgive me, I've never run across this reasoning before this point in my entire 32 years on this earth. There are several people in this thread who just think they should be able to just install until the cows come home. Install every game/program ever. Just install it all. And if you run out of room... that means... something is wrong with the HD/manufacturer?

...I'm sorry guys, I can't wrap my head around it. That concept is just so... weird. It's like saying I should be able to load up my car with anything. Strap tubs and tubs of water to the roof. If it gets too heavy, well there's something wrong with the car. Time to buy a new one.


A quick count reveals I have 32 games installed, that's just the Steam stuff. Not to mention music, movies, tv shows, UFC fights and other stuff I've forgotten about. You are forgetting, or intentionally leaving out the fact that this space will also be used by such media, DLC's, mandatory patches to the OS etc.
Another reason not to uninstall is I had Dreamfall purchased for the wife. I had uninstalled it, much like you recommend for something else. Now It's not available for download. Essentially, MS stole from me. So yes, FARK uninstalling. There's no reason for it with storage being as cheap as it is.

PS4 allows you to replace a drive, many already have. Give me one good reason why MS, in their infinite wisdom wouldn't give their customers the option, other then to fleece them out of more money by releasing an overpriced, under performing "upgrade" in the future? In your 32 years on this planet you've gotten so used to taking it without lube that it is beyond your comprehension that it's wrong.
I'll enjoy the speed and ease of loading whatever I get a wild hair for immediately, you enjoy waiting for the download. Next Gen indeed.
2013-12-10 01:39:03 PM  
1 votes:
I keep on hearing all this "cloud, cloud, cloud' in the discussion.  Have fun re-downloading all that content and then getting hit by Comcast's monthly bandwidth limits (or paying the extra $$).

I got into that bad habit on Steam - pulling down games as I was interested in them and that (along with streaming) was a reason we ended up changing services.  It's all and good that everything is readily available - till you have to pay an extra $10 per 50 GB
2013-12-10 01:04:56 PM  
1 votes:

sure haven't: GlassWalker: Well, either buy a new one or uninstall something.

And there is my entire point which people have been saying makes no sense. That is what I was saying this entire time. But was met with "I don't uninstall, hrumph".


I think the disconnect is that it seems like you're saying it's reasonable to juggle 20 game slots and that's what a lot of folks are hrumphing about.

I'd probably agree with your stronger point, though - that HDD space is cheap enough that we may as well just never uninstall anything and upgrade space as needed. 

I mean, that's how I treat my email. I haven't deleted an email since I got my Gmail account.I have like 22,000 Facebook notifications in there that I can't think of a single reason I'd ever need to look at again, but there's plenty of space so, whatever, let em sit.
2013-12-10 11:11:40 AM  
1 votes:

ReverendJasen: I ran ran a 2k8 server on a 36GB drive for years with no issue.  Just redirected or disabled every log I could find and ran Apache/Mysql on a RAID array.  However, that was definitely not an enterprise environment.


You can tell it's Bespoke Enterprise software by the scream of "why do you have to install to C:\ you heap of shiat?" coming from the IT department usually followed by various quantities of swearing as it conflicts with other business critical software that has to be on the machine in question.
2013-12-10 11:10:39 AM  
1 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: You could just, you know, use a computer instead.


Nope.
2013-12-10 10:59:40 AM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


You can't install games to Skydrive. Don't be daft. Skydrive is for photos, videos and music.
2013-12-10 10:58:35 AM  
1 votes:
20 games "at once".  There is never I time I feel the need to have 20 games available to play so this isn't really an issue.
2013-12-10 10:53:51 AM  
1 votes:
I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!
2013-12-10 10:42:57 AM  
1 votes:

Ned Stark: FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?

Installing your games on your own machine: deliberate sabatoge.

I hope they aren't paying you a lot, you aren't good at this.


We really need to get over this need to accuse everyone who disagrees with us of being a paid schill.  You have every reason to be upset about the small storage drive on the xbox one but you make yourself look stupid when you post things like this.
2013-12-10 10:40:53 AM  
1 votes:
Ah, Microsoft. You can't even really say they've got their heads up their asses anymore; it's becoming more and more apparent that the entire company is just a giant, fractal asshole. As large or small a chunk of the company you want to look at - yup, still an asshole.
2013-12-10 10:40:49 AM  
1 votes:

ReverendJasen: FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right?

So I upload all of my games to the cloud?  And when I launch Forza, it then downloads the 8GB+ from the cloud to launch it every time?  That sounds incredibly stupid.


I was thinking the same thing.
2013-12-10 10:30:05 AM  
1 votes:

logggur: What 1TB SSD did you get for $100? Seriously, I want one.


Not an SSD but a hybrid SSD:

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Solid-Hybrid-2-5-Inch-ST1000LM014/dp/B 00 B99JUBQ/
2013-12-10 10:27:27 AM  
1 votes:

logggur: WalkingCarpet: I put a 1TB Seagate hybrid SSD drive in my PS4 the instant I got it, couldn't have been any easier, $100 on Amazon.

If the upper limit is 362GB that means the three games I have for my One, DR3, Ryse and Forza 5, take up 23% of my available space less than a month into ownership.

That kind of sucks.

What 1TB SSD did you get for $100? Seriously, I want one.


I located a few. Note that he stated the drive to be a "hybrid".
2013-12-10 10:21:49 AM  
1 votes:
Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?
2013-12-10 09:40:35 AM  
1 votes:

sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026692/microsoft-surface-pro-64gb-co me s-with-only-23gb-of-available-storage-space.html

Microsoft Surface Pro 64GB comes with only 23GB of available storage space

Microsoft confirmed the $899 64GB model of the Surface Pro will only have 23GB available for use out of the box - that's just under 36 percent of the advertised capacity. The rest is taken up by the full Windows 8 Pro install, preinstalled apps and a recovery partition, which make up for the 41GB occupied. The 128GB model of the Surface Pro comes with 65 percent of its advertised storage capacity available, 83GB.
 
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