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(IGN)   Hope you weren't planning on owning more than 20 games for your new Xbox One, the non-upgradeable hard drive reaches capacity at 362GB with the operating system taking up a whopping 30%   (ign.com) divider line 213
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2013-12-11 04:08:15 PM

FarkGrudge: Fano: eldritch2k4: I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!

I was wondering why no one had mentioned this yet. I assume these digital hoarders have terabytes of porn they've never looked at.

Because this is the reason people buy consoles to begin with.

We buy consoles to avoid the "hassles" of PC-gaming...you know, disk management, driver management, resource management, etc.  In short:  console gaming needs to "just work," otherwise, it's going to have the same pitfalls as PC gaming.

As a new father, I can tell you that I'm not going to be excited to play a Xbox One or a PS4 (if it has similar limitations) if I first have to spend 20 minutes deciding what files/games to remove, wait for them to be deleted, then spend 20 more minutes installing a different game from a disc (oh, and wait for 15 minutes to download and install all of the updated patches after words).  Or worse, wait 2+ hours to download the digital version followed by 20 minutes to install it (and likely, still have to wait for the same 30 minute update process after words).

And for those of you who think 20 games is a lot, even if you don't current own and play 20 games right now, you most certainly will over the life of the product (even if rented/borrowed, etc).  Sure, you usually spot obvious ones to remove, but that's a process that hasn't had a place in console gaming before recently (ala PS1/2, Wii, WiiU, etc).  Even Xbox 360 and PS3 users often didn't see 10GB installs all that often (I observed 4-5GB to be more typical)--only in the last 6 months did I finally have to go through and remove all of my rented/borrowed game data to fit GTA5 on there.

Bottom-line:  the complaint is ...


Sorry, reality called. Your consoles are specialized computers, with resource management, operating systems, and the like. Get used to it.
 
2013-12-11 04:13:20 PM

JohnBigBootay: CPennypacker: Who gives a shiat there only 3 games out for it worth a fark anyway

Awwww man, you just shiat on peggle 2. I know, that's lame. But I can't wait to go home and play it tonight.

 
2013-12-11 05:00:30 PM

AdamK: BumpInTheNight: Tax Boy: What is it with homebrew gamer pc builders' hard-on for annoying blue and purple LED lighting?

Believe me its only a small subset who unfortunately also show them off like moms do with their kids on facebook.  Many of us prefer to just drop their little ricer rigs down a peg with casual mentions of stuff like "Oh an SSD, how quaint.  Lemmie know when you're rocking a 4xraid0 of them."

Like I just did. :P

this is why i prefer corsair cases

my only complaint about my current one is the big glass screen on the CPU/GPU/Motherboard side (air 540)... what's the point? my motherboard has some red lights on it, woopty doo


To avoid a cat spontaneously appearing in your tower. YMMV depending on location but my pc's build up a lot of dust. Being able to look in without removing panels is awesome for keeping down buildup, as per the old philosophy, out of sight out of mind.

I built my recent rig with a Haf XB case(coolermaster). Love it aside from it taking up a lot of space, but any tower with good airflow does that, just in a different form factor.  Modded a window into the top screen so dust didn't just fall in.  P/S draws up from the bottom and is cordoned off from mobo.  Temps stay fairly low unless I'm running Prime95.
/much recommended if you have the space for a large cube
//Must use quieter fans though, so many holes in the case it does not muffle any sound

Would have been a corsair case otherwise. Using a couple of their quiet edition fans, one on cpu one on exhaust.
 
2013-12-11 05:17:12 PM

Tyrosine: Both PCs and consoles automatically update their drivers, require virtually the same amount of technical skill to install, etc.


Pc's can do it automatically, but I wouldn't recomend it.  let the community at large vet them, make sure they don't have bugs.  I saw a video card update fry the onboard ethernet.  No amount of uninstalling drivers and installing older ones would work, it was proper farked, had to buy an ethernet card.

Same amount of technical skill to install?
Pure BS.

1. Consoles don't require installation.  They are the epitome of plug and play.  Even if you do open the case, you cannot upgrade anything but HDD, or replace a broken optical drive.  Those two things only slightly begin to be as complex as a PC.

2. For a PC you've got to have not only the right size ram/cpu, they've got to be within the spec that the motherboard supports, the right pin count, and even then, some mobo's have problems with certain components even though they were built with that in mind.    Add onto that, the actual skill to install a cpu properly, thermal paste, and your heatsink....not everyone is as coordinated as I am.

For me, it's easy.  Maybe for you and a couple tech friends.  Society at large though, that is different.

I'd trust my 14 year old nephew to "install" my xbox in the living room.  Not so much do anything to my PC aside from use the inter.....well not even that.  Every computer anyone in my family touches gets problematic malware and spyware.  That just doesn't happen on xbox, it can't happen(yet).

That's more than I'd want anyone I know doing to my computer.  From a factory when you buy a whole system, sure, because that typically comes with a "you farked it up when you built it" clause and you can return it or at least get it replaced.

But my console?  You can't fark it up unless you get physically rough with it.
 
2013-12-11 06:26:14 PM

omeganuepsilon: Tyrosine: Both PCs and consoles automatically update their drivers, require virtually the same amount of technical skill to install, etc.

Pc's can do it automatically, but I wouldn't recomend it.  let the community at large vet them, make sure they don't have bugs.  I saw a video card update fry the onboard ethernet.  No amount of uninstalling drivers and installing older ones would work, it was proper farked, had to buy an ethernet card.

Same amount of technical skill to install?
Pure BS.

1. Consoles don't require installation.  They are the epitome of plug and play.  Even if you do open the case, you cannot upgrade anything but HDD, or replace a broken optical drive.  Those two things only slightly begin to be as complex as a PC.



Really? So they just miracle themselves out of the box and automatically attach to your TV the moment you bring them through your front door?

2. For a PC you've got to have not only the right size ram/cpu, they've got to be within the spec that the motherboard supports, the right pin count, and even then, some mobo's have problems with certain components even though they were built with that in mind.    Add onto that, the actual skill to install a cpu properly, thermal paste, and your heatsink....not everyone is as coordinated as I am.

Have you been to Future Shop / Best Buy / Tiger Direct / Staples any time in the last decade? I only ask because appears you haven't. If you had you might of noticed they had dozens of pre-built models ready to go right out of the box. And when you buy a pre-built machine you need to connect the power (just like a console), connect to a monitor (just like a console), and then plug in mouse, keyboard and speakers. This last step differs slightly from consoles but if you have opposable thumbs and am IQ north of 60 it's not difficult.

In case I'm being too subtle here, my point is that you don't need to custom build a gaming PC. They come pre-built, ready to go, right out of the box. In fact I bought one for my son 10 months ago. Works fine and I haven't had to open the case even once.


For me, it's easy.  Maybe for you and a couple tech friends.  Society at large though, that is different.

Yes. Building you own machine from scratch is hard. THAT'S WHY ONLY HIGH-END USERS DO IT. Regular people don't need to.

I'd trust my 14 year old nephew to "install" my xbox in the living room.  Not so much do anything to my PC aside from use the inter.....well not even that.  Every computer anyone in my family touches gets problematic malware and spyware.  That just doesn't happen on xbox, it can't happen(yet).

Your 14 yo nephew can't plug in a power cord, VGA cable, a speaker and 2 USBs. You should consider having him tested. There are plenty of "special programs" available in schools today that could help him with vocational skills so one day he could aspire to wipe tables in the mall food court.

That's more than I'd want anyone I know doing to my computer.  From a factory when you buy a whole system, sure, because that typically comes with a "you farked it up when you built it" clause and you can return it or at least get it replaced.

But my console?  You can't fark it up unless you get physically rough with it.


Guessing by the fact that you are unaware of pre-built PCs (which have been available since the 1980s BTW) even consoles may be beyond you.

www.overclock.net
 
2013-12-11 06:53:26 PM
Err... XBox One allows game installs to an external drive, doesn't it?  If so, I don't see a terribly big issue.
 
2013-12-11 06:56:33 PM
Opening the box and setting the unit on the shelf and plugging it in is not "installing".  Yes, in that "plug in to use" Consoles and pre-built PC's are similar.  That is precisely the point where the similarity ends.  Also, you didn't specify "pre-built".  You said:

Tyrosine: Both PCs and consoles automatically update their drivers, require virtually the same amount of technical skill to install, etc.


See that?  Thanks to Fark's quote feature I could easily put it right there for you to reference.  You made an asinine absolute statement.  I called it for the BS that it was.  And you backpedaled with insults and an unfitting meme.

Tyrosine: too subtle here, my point is that you don't need to custom build a gaming PC. They come pre-built, ready to go, right out of the box. In fact I bought one for my son 10 months ago. Works fine and I haven't had to open the case even once.


Yet.

In 6 months or a year, whenever games take another jump in requirements, you have two options.  Another brand new PC that's able to play the newest games, or upgrading the current tower.

Three, if you include playing a game with downgraded resolution/quality.

As opposed to consoles, where the last generation lasted what, 7 years?

Tyrosine: Guessing by the fact that you are unaware of pre-built PCs (which have been available since the 1980s BTW) even consoles may be beyond you.


Fact?
You're not very observant.  I very specifically mentioned them.  Here, I'll even quote myself:

omeganuepsilon: From a factory when you buy a whole system, sure, because that typically comes with a "you farked it up when you built it" clause and you can return it or at least get it replaced.


But whatever, troll on, asshole.  It's quite obvious that you're in here to not make a coherent point or learn, you are just to piss people off because it makes your manhood engorged to it's full 2 inches.

Either that or IQ of 60 you mentioned is yours.
 
2013-12-11 06:58:05 PM

omeganuepsilon: In 6 months or a year, whenever games take another jump in requirements, you have two options. Another brand new PC that's able to play the newest games, or upgrading the current tower.


Seriously?  It's 2013, dude.  Stop playing the "you need to upgrade your PC every six months" card, because it hasn't been even remotely true for about a decade now.
 
2013-12-11 07:01:09 PM

HeartBurnKid: omeganuepsilon: In 6 months or a year, whenever games take another jump in requirements, you have two options. Another brand new PC that's able to play the newest games, or upgrading the current tower.

Seriously?  It's 2013, dude.  Stop playing the "you need to upgrade your PC every six months" card, because it hasn't been even remotely true for about a decade now.


I didn't play that card, moron.  Read that again:

omeganuepsilon: In 6 months or a year, whenever games take another jump in requirements,


It may be 6 months, or a year, or more.  I also followed with:

omeganuepsilon: As opposed to consoles, where the last generation lasted what, 7 years?


There is a lot of wiggle room between 6 months and 7 years.  Way to be a total tool, I bet your parents are so proud of you.
 
2013-12-11 07:06:39 PM

omeganuepsilon: HeartBurnKid: omeganuepsilon: In 6 months or a year, whenever games take another jump in requirements, you have two options. Another brand new PC that's able to play the newest games, or upgrading the current tower.

Seriously?  It's 2013, dude.  Stop playing the "you need to upgrade your PC every six months" card, because it hasn't been even remotely true for about a decade now.

I didn't play that card, moron.  Read that again:

omeganuepsilon: In 6 months or a year, whenever games take another jump in requirements,

It may be 6 months, or a year, or more.


So in other words, not only do you have no idea what you're talking about, but you're not actually saying anything.

 I also followed with:
omeganuepsilon: As opposed to consoles, where the last generation lasted what, 7 years?

There is a lot of wiggle room between 6 months and 7 years.  Way to be a total tool, I bet your parents are so proud of you.


And you're pointlessly insulting anybody who dares to disagree with you to boot.

Shouldn't you be on the politics tab, figuring out how many zeroes you can fit into Obama's name?
 
2013-12-11 07:43:51 PM

HeartBurnKid: So in other words, not only do you have no idea what you're talking about, but you're not actually saying anything.


What do you think I did, kill your parents?

Damned when you mistakenly think I said X, and damned when I say anything but X.

I know precisely what I'm talking about.  What's funny is you having your cake and eating it.  I'm damned because you think I have a magical knowledge of the future(the anti-6 month tirade you belted out), and then when I prove that's not what I said, I'm damned because I can't predict the future.

It's not that I don't know, it's that I'm leaving room for error.  Today's technology will fall by the wayside to more powerful technology in the future(barring apocalypse that makes technology irrelevant) .  Some things last months, some years.  Not many do decades.

Try playing today's AAA titles on a 7 year old PC and let me know how well that works out for you, douchebag.

Are you trying to make people's ignore lists, or do you have a grudge against me because I proved you to be a moron in the past?  It's fark, so both are possible really, there's no bottom of the barrel for you to scrape.  I just hope that you ripping on people here senselessly means that you won't reproduce.  I may fear for their genetics, but I would certainly fear for their well being.  That'd be like Hitler and Dahmer having kids through some strange test tube experiment and then homeschoolling them between nightly molestations, the prospects of that theoretical union could not possibly be worse for society than kids that you are raising.

/and plonk for being an aggrandizing two faced asshole
//congratz
 
2013-12-11 08:43:10 PM

omeganuepsilon: See that?  Thanks to Fark's quote feature I could easily put it right there for you to reference.  You made an asinine absolute statement.  I called it for the BS that it was.  And you backpedaled with insults and an unfitting meme.


So you are claiming that a console is easier to install than an out of the box PC? So in your world plugging in a speaker and 2 USBs is an insurmountable barrier to most people? Because that's the only difference between a PC and a console.

omeganuepsilon: In 6 months or a year, whenever games take another jump in requirements, you have two options.  Another brand new PC that's able to play the newest games, or upgrading the current tower.

Three, if you include playing a game with downgraded resolution/quality.

As opposed to consoles, where the last generation lasted what, 7 years?


Really? My previous machine was an HP running Vista purchased (out of the box) in 2006, which ran Steam and played current games until I replaced it early in 2013 (holy shiatballs -7 years!!!). I played Modern Warfare 3, Black-Ops, Borderlands 2 all with no issues in performance. Sure I could have boosted performance with a new video card, but I didn't need to.

omeganuepsilon: You're not very observant.  I very specifically mentioned them.  Here, I'll even quote myself:


Then why say this in the first place:

omeganuepsilon: 2. For a PC you've got to have not only the right size ram/cpu, they've got to be within the spec that the motherboard supports, the right pin count, and even then, some mobo's have problems with certain components even though they were built with that in mind.    Add onto that, the actual skill to install a cpu properly, thermal paste, and your heatsink....not everyone is as coordinated as I am.

For me, it's easy.  Maybe for you and a couple tech friends.  Society at large though, that is different.


That entire statement clearly implies a home built PC despite the fact that several times throughout the thread I've specifically mentioned out of the box PCs. You made a big farking deal about how complex it is to build a PC, is too tough for "society at large" and then you try and claim you meant pre-builts? I've owned about 5 pre-builts over the years, and used a bunch more at work. Never once need to worry about heat-sinks, pin settings, or thermal paste. Know why? Because someone else assembled them. That's what pre-built means.

Your whole point seems to be that PCs are still cryptic mystery boxes beyond the skill set of average people, which is complete BS. Walk into any goddammed store that sells computers, tell them you want a PC for gaming and give them a price range and they can give you an out of the box PC that is as easy to install as a console. You don't need to configure the BIOS, fark with your registry, configure your hard drives, etc. Plug it in. Connect the monitor (or TV). Plug in the speaker (1 lime green plug). Plug in the keyboard (USB). Plug in the mouse (also USB). Turn it on. Open your browser. Download Steam (free FYI). It's that simple.

Oh, and for the record I also play consoles (details in another post). I'm just trying to counter the myth that computers are "hard", which you seem bent on perpetuating.


omeganuepsilon: But my console?  You can't fark it up unless you get physically rough with it.


Or you get the RROD because you played it for more than a couple of hours and it over heated. Or it comes pre-bricked courtesy of Sony. Or your magical console comes with a 300GB hard drive (which was the standard in PCs about a decade ago) and you want to install more than 20 games.
 
2013-12-11 09:15:14 PM

Tyrosine: So you are claiming that a console is easier to install than an out of the box PC?


I am claiming that you're still a moron for using the word "install".

Your use is tatamount to saying you "installed" a lamp.  In a specific conversation about PC's and consoles and comparing the two, "install" has a specific meaning, and "plugging it in" is not it.

Now, if you're actually installing it into the home, you're making it a fixture(hence the difference between a lamp and a light fixture), you are attaching it in a way that's more or less intended to be permanent.  Screws, spackle, wiring, that sort of thing.

Most people don't install a console(or a pc, you contrarian halfwit), they put one on the shelf.

Tyrosine: and then you try and claim you meant pre-builts?

Tyrosine: Your whole point seems to be



You're a dipshiat, welcome to ignore.  Hope I made your day.  Enjoy a life of being so annoying people would rather do without you completely.  You and heartburnkid can talk about me behind my back while giving eachother a dutch rudder and then cry yourselves to sleep.
 
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