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(IGN)   Hope you weren't planning on owning more than 20 games for your new Xbox One, the non-upgradeable hard drive reaches capacity at 362GB with the operating system taking up a whopping 30%   (ign.com) divider line 213
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2013-12-10 04:17:56 PM

Tax Boy: Beerguy: [scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]


My rig with dual 2TB drives and 256GB SSD laughs at the puny consoles.

[www.gamersschmamers.com image 600x200]

What is it with homebrew gamer pc builders' hard-on for annoying blue and purple LED lighting?


No idea.

/mine are red
 
2013-12-10 04:18:15 PM

basscomm: Shrugging Atlas: Didn't MS state they were just going to allow external HDDs to be attached via USB?

Sure. They also say they're going to let you see how full your hard drive is someday.


That's pretty insane considering that you really do need to know how much room you have in case you want to download games, add-ons, movies, etc.
 
2013-12-10 04:19:41 PM

Tax Boy: What is it with homebrew gamer pc builders' hard-on for annoying blue and purple LED lighting?


Believe me its only a small subset who unfortunately also show them off like moms do with their kids on facebook.  Many of us prefer to just drop their little ricer rigs down a peg with casual mentions of stuff like "Oh an SSD, how quaint.  Lemmie know when you're rocking a 4xraid0 of them."

Like I just did. :P
 
2013-12-10 04:25:23 PM

Beerguy: [scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]


My rig with dual 2TB drives and 256GB SSD laughs at the puny consoles.

[www.gamersschmamers.com image 600x200]


That looks a lot like mine. Liquid cooling FTW. Corsair rocks.

/Currently rocking a total of 8TB in mine. No SSD, though. That's the next upgrade.
 
2013-12-10 04:38:25 PM

Luse: Tax Boy: Beerguy: [scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]


My rig with dual 2TB drives and 256GB SSD laughs at the puny consoles.

[www.gamersschmamers.com image 600x200]

What is it with homebrew gamer pc builders' hard-on for annoying blue and purple LED lighting?

No idea.

/mine are red


Because the 'good' cases are usually riced out in blue LEDs. Maybe they are cheaper, maybe they are more soothing, I dunno. Mine came that way and the LEDs are integral to the fans and I'm too lazy to rewire a case.
 
2013-12-10 04:40:12 PM

Tyrosine: Tourney3p0: If I wanted to have to install and uninstall crap instead of actually playing the game, I'd just game on the PC.  I don't like that though.

What kind of PC are you using where you have to uninstall games to play other games? Most new PCs come with a minimum of 1 TB HD which over three times the size of the HD in the current generation of consoles.

Again, not disparaging consoles but can we stop with the hyperbole about PC gaming being complicated because it's not.


The man has a point.  Just got really into PC gaming as when I was younger I always seemed to never have the right equipment to play a game.  Got a free 1 year old dell from work.  Got a new case, power supply and replaced the bad video card for less than 300 (my office didn't want to keep it even though I said all it needed was a video card) and put steam on it.  It's like gamer heaven.  Games as far as the eye can see.  And I haven't paid more than 20 bucks for a game cause of the sales they always have.  Nice to game with steam cause it doesn't seem like they are trying to suck money directly out of my wallet.
 
2013-12-10 04:42:57 PM

kroonermanblack: Luse: Tax Boy: Beerguy: [scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]


My rig with dual 2TB drives and 256GB SSD laughs at the puny consoles.

[www.gamersschmamers.com image 600x200]

What is it with homebrew gamer pc builders' hard-on for annoying blue and purple LED lighting?

No idea.

/mine are red

Because the 'good' cases are usually riced out in blue LEDs. Maybe they are cheaper, maybe they are more soothing, I dunno. Mine came that way and the LEDs are integral to the fans and I'm too lazy to rewire a case.


Only reason mine has red is because it came with them. Chose the case as air cooling is more than sufficient, especially with the 3 monster fans the Cooler Master HAF came with. I think they came from a fan boat or a hovercraft or maybe a retired prop from a chopper. Never a heat issue and the case is silent.
 
2013-12-10 04:55:37 PM
I was wondering how long until these stories showed up. And given some games run upwards of 60GB you're looking at 6 or 7 games possibly. And keep in mind just because you save something to the cloud doesn't mean you can play it from the cloud, it has to be sitting on your hard drive.
 
2013-12-10 05:07:12 PM

LasersHurt: If you want something where you install every game to a hard drive, you want a PC. That's what that thing is.


Shhh.... leave the dirty console peasants where they are. Wouldn't want them muddying up the place or staining the furniture with their soiled fingers.
 
2013-12-10 05:44:48 PM

eldritch2k4: I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!


Don't forget that some multiplayer games don't have a good patcher and will force you to sit around for an hour patching from 1.00 to 1.01 to 1.02 to 1.03 instead of just downloading an all-inclusive patch.

I, for one, am too lazy to manage it.  For an extra $100, I can buy myself another 128GB SSD or a 1-2TB HD and start installing stuff on there.  If I want to play a game, I don't want to wait for 10-30 minutes while 4GB gets downloaded from some server somewhere -- and this assumes I have an unlimited connection (thankfully I do now).  I've been dinged before for going over 60-80GB quote per month downloading ~3-4 games.  LOL
 
2013-12-10 05:49:59 PM

luidprand: sure haven't: dragonchild: sure haven't: Do you think you should be able to install every app ever and just forget it?

Well, that escalated quickly.

Not really. Your response to deleting games was "eff that". I asked why?? Do you install games and just keep them on there for years and years? Think back to games you played in 2008, are they still on your hard drive? You implied that having finite space on a hard drive is a limitation. Do we have endless hard drives floating around that I'm not aware of?

I don't quite trust games which I download from an app store or similar places to be around forever, so I download them and leave them on the hard drive. So yes, I have a version of Catan back from 2009 on my xbox.


On my PC, I had a few Win 3.1/95 and DOS games on my XP rig which died earlier this year.   My dad likes playing Age of Empires 2 and some of my buddies like getting into StarCraft 1 randomly.

So yes, I personally leave everything on my hard drive and simply spend another $100 (one or two games) on a 2-3TB drive for all the games I don't normally play, and throw the newer ones on the SSD that's in my new rig.
 
2013-12-10 06:04:10 PM

OgreMagi: ReverendJasen: OgreMagi: Why would you need to RDP into it?

Laziness.
I like Putty, I knew the BSD commandline well enough, but it just took a lot more effort to do things.  I suppose I could have scripted the maintenance tasks I was doing, but that would have required more effort as well.

A true geek stays up half the night perfecting a script to automate a task that saves 15 minutes a day.


6 hrs to design script / 15 min. = 24 days before you start saving time from the script.
 
2013-12-10 06:23:02 PM
Who gives a shiat there only 3 games out for it worth a fark anyway
 
2013-12-10 06:32:50 PM

SleepingEye: luidprand: sure haven't: dragonchild: sure haven't: Do you think you should be able to install every app ever and just forget it?

Well, that escalated quickly.

Not really. Your response to deleting games was "eff that". I asked why?? Do you install games and just keep them on there for years and years? Think back to games you played in 2008, are they still on your hard drive? You implied that having finite space on a hard drive is a limitation. Do we have endless hard drives floating around that I'm not aware of?

I don't quite trust games which I download from an app store or similar places to be around forever, so I download them and leave them on the hard drive. So yes, I have a version of Catan back from 2009 on my xbox.

On my PC, I had a few Win 3.1/95 and DOS games on my XP rig which died earlier this year.   My dad likes playing Age of Empires 2 and some of my buddies like getting into StarCraft 1 randomly.

So yes, I personally leave everything on my hard drive and simply spend another $100 (one or two games) on a 2-3TB drive for all the games I don't normally play, and throw the newer ones on the SSD that's in my new rig.


I still have Master of Magic, Master of Orion, and Grandest Fleet on my Win XP system. I occasionally play them via DosBox.

Single player, turned based for when you are too lazy to give a fark.
 
2013-12-10 06:34:05 PM

Sim Tree: OgreMagi: ReverendJasen: OgreMagi: Why would you need to RDP into it?

Laziness.
I like Putty, I knew the BSD commandline well enough, but it just took a lot more effort to do things.  I suppose I could have scripted the maintenance tasks I was doing, but that would have required more effort as well.

A true geek stays up half the night perfecting a script to automate a task that saves 15 minutes a day.

6 hrs to design script / 15 min. = 24 days before you start saving time from the script.


I have scripts that have been running via cronjob for several years now.
 
2013-12-10 06:45:36 PM

OgreMagi: SleepingEye: luidprand: sure haven't: dragonchild: sure haven't: Do you think you should be able to install every app ever and just forget it?

Well, that escalated quickly.

Not really. Your response to deleting games was "eff that". I asked why?? Do you install games and just keep them on there for years and years? Think back to games you played in 2008, are they still on your hard drive? You implied that having finite space on a hard drive is a limitation. Do we have endless hard drives floating around that I'm not aware of?

I don't quite trust games which I download from an app store or similar places to be around forever, so I download them and leave them on the hard drive. So yes, I have a version of Catan back from 2009 on my xbox.

On my PC, I had a few Win 3.1/95 and DOS games on my XP rig which died earlier this year.   My dad likes playing Age of Empires 2 and some of my buddies like getting into StarCraft 1 randomly.

So yes, I personally leave everything on my hard drive and simply spend another $100 (one or two games) on a 2-3TB drive for all the games I don't normally play, and throw the newer ones on the SSD that's in my new rig.

I still have Master of Magic, Master of Orion, and Grandest Fleet on my Win XP system. I occasionally play them via DosBox.

Single player, turned based for when you are too lazy to give a fark.


This is a good man here. They're getting dated now though.
 
2013-12-10 06:50:58 PM

CPennypacker: Who gives a shiat there only 3 games out for it worth a fark anyway


Awwww man, you just shiat on peggle 2. I know, that's lame. But I can't wait to go home and play it tonight.
 
2013-12-10 07:17:48 PM
all 20 of those games costs over $1000, not including the $500 cost of the xbone...  wow... just farking wow...  it makes since at about $60 per game, but when you see it like that... just 20 games and a system costs over $1500, its a lot.
 
2013-12-10 07:20:41 PM

rpm: I Like Bread: Is that 362 actual gigabytes, or what HDD manufacturers call gigabytes?

What HDD manufacturers call gigabytes are gigabytes.

IIRC, memory and such is now measured in gibibytes.


absolutely incorrect.  Manufacturers label drives as 1 gig = 1000 megs when in fact 1 gig = 1024 megs...  This is the biggest reason why HDD's always have less than their advertised storage space.
 
2013-12-10 07:23:29 PM

Maul555: rpm: I Like Bread: Is that 362 actual gigabytes, or what HDD manufacturers call gigabytes?

What HDD manufacturers call gigabytes are gigabytes.

IIRC, memory and such is now measured in gibibytes.

absolutely incorrect.  Manufacturers label drives as 1 gig = 1000 megs when in fact 1 gig = 1024 megs...  This is the biggest reason why HDD's always have less than their advertised storage space.


None of you are correct.
imgs.xkcd.com

/I still call what the drive makers do sleazy.
 
2013-12-10 07:23:38 PM

OgreMagi: DosBox


Dungeon Keeper was the only old game I've tried to re-play and had to use DosBox for, unless you count Deeper dungeons as another game.
Only strategy game I've ever wanted to play consistently over the years.

Never did get around to trying the newer actual 3d one.  I saw several clones while looking about though.

On a relevant note, I like to keep all games on the HDD.  DVD's and and optical drives have a tendency to not have the best lifespan. HDD's though, as long as they spin up once in a while, last a really long time.
 
2013-12-10 07:25:48 PM

omeganuepsilon: OgreMagi: DosBox

Dungeon Keeper was the only old game I've tried to re-play and had to use DosBox for, unless you count Deeper dungeons as another game.
Only strategy game I've ever wanted to play consistently over the years.

Never did get around to trying the newer actual 3d one.  I saw several clones while looking about though.

On a relevant note, I like to keep all games on the HDD.  DVD's and and optical drives have a tendency to not have the best lifespan. HDD's though, as long as they spin up once in a while, last a really long time.


DK2 was great, especially the whole possession spell.  War for the Overworld looks like it could have greatness but their team was a little over zealous about the release date.  We'll see though.  Long as its not another Dungeons or Impire, man those games were both disappointingly flat.
 
2013-12-10 07:26:25 PM

Maul555: all 20 of those games costs over $1000, not including the $500 cost of the xbone...  wow... just farking wow...  it makes since at about $60 per game, but when you see it like that... just 20 games and a system costs over $1500, its a lot.


Not really.  Over 3 years? 500$ a year, INCLUDING the price of the console.  5 years? 300$ a year. That's 5 games a year at that rate.  Or in other words, less than a dollar a day. You buy a daily soda? Coffee? Eat out once a week? You 'waste' more money than that on things you literally piss and shiat away, because you can buy X Y Z cheaper and make it yourself etc. etc.
 
2013-12-10 07:27:13 PM
But...Evil Genius:  Fantastic Dungeon Keeper style game play and you are the essential Bond villian, complete with volcano lair and scores of yellow hard-hatted minions.  Totally worth trying.
 
2013-12-10 07:31:28 PM

BumpInTheNight: DK2 was great, especially the whole possession spell.


A quick look says it doesn't do so hot on Win7.

Otherwise, GOG has it for 6 bucks.
 
2013-12-10 07:37:03 PM
I love the squabble over console gaming vs PC gaming. Consoles are PCs therefore console gaming is PC gaming. As is gaming on your iPhone or Android tablet. If its a computer and only 1 user is active at a time then it is a PC.
 
2013-12-10 07:37:28 PM

omeganuepsilon: BumpInTheNight: DK2 was great, especially the whole possession spell.

A quick look says it doesn't do so hot on Win7.

Otherwise, GOG has it for 6 bucks.


I have to say it wasn't so much the OS but the resolution, it absolutely shat the bed until I straight up disabled my two side monitors and forced my middle one down to a stretched 1280x1024 compatibility mode.  The trouble with it as well is because it does have really primitive 3d requirements you can't just drop it into a VM and call it a day either.  But again:  Evil Genius is amazing and works just fine on modern hardware despite being from 2006 or so.
 
2013-12-10 07:49:34 PM
Why would anyone buy it?

You can't even play Tie Fighter or X-wing on it.
 
2013-12-10 07:51:38 PM
If you don't care about the warranty you can change the hdd. It uses a regular SATA II drive, but you have to open the console up voiding your warranty.
 
2013-12-10 08:00:42 PM

Giltric: Why would anyone buy it?

You can't even play Tie Fighter or X-wing on it.


I like you, you can sleep with my sister, if I had one.
 
2013-12-10 08:01:33 PM
In 2013, a 500GB hard drive in a "next generation console" is ridiculous, especially when 138GB of that goes on system stuff. They could have spent £6 more (and that's single unit retail, so probably realistically £4 in Microsoft's volumes) and given people a 1TB drive that would effectively give nearly triple the storage space.

Then again, if they sell it for 500GB now, they can sell you an expensive proprietary upgrade later.
 
2013-12-10 09:16:23 PM

BumpInTheNight: Evil Genius


I'll look into it.  Sucks when you spend a bunch of money on a really nice computer and the best games you can think of to play came out years and years ago, before you bought your last computer or even the one before that...

/Skyrim is very pretty now with my hardware but so damned boring because I've played it sooo much.(had it on a console too)
//mods don't help a whole helluva lot
///thinking about the tropical world skin/mob/weather overhaul

kryptin420: If you don't care about the warranty you can change the hdd. It uses a regular SATA II drive, but you have to open the console up voiding your warranty.


Citation needed.

Technically you could on the 360, but you had to obtain a key(chunk of code) that validates the HDD for MS.  If your key was a 10gb, your 1tb HDD had 10gb accessible.  And of course, copying that data is a copyright violation so finding them on popular modding sites could be tough(because many don't want to get in trouble), and less popular modding sites more dangerous.(keyloggers and such galore).
 
2013-12-10 09:24:49 PM

omeganuepsilon: BumpInTheNight: Evil Genius

I'll look into it.  Sucks when you spend a bunch of money on a really nice computer and the best games you can think of to play came out years and years ago, before you bought your last computer or even the one before that...

/Skyrim is very pretty now with my hardware but so damned boring because I've played it sooo much.(had it on a console too)
//mods don't help a whole helluva lot
///thinking about the tropical world skin/mob/weather overhaul

kryptin420: If you don't care about the warranty you can change the hdd. It uses a regular SATA II drive, but you have to open the console up voiding your warranty.

Citation needed.

Technically you could on the 360, but you had to obtain a key(chunk of code) that validates the HDD for MS.  If your key was a 10gb, your 1tb HDD had 10gb accessible.  And of course, copying that data is a copyright violation so finding them on popular modding sites could be tough(because many don't want to get in trouble), and less popular modding sites more dangerous.(keyloggers and such galore).



http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-hard-drive-is-replaceable- bu t-doing-so-will-void-your-warranty/1100-6416316/
 
2013-12-10 09:31:45 PM

Egoy3k: Ned Stark: FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?

Installing your games on your own machine: deliberate sabatoge.

I hope they aren't paying you a lot, you aren't good at this.

We really need to get over this need to accuse everyone who disagrees with us of being a paid schill.  You have every reason to be upset about the small storage drive on the xbox one but you make yourself look stupid when you post things like this.


I agree with Egoy3k. You should be ashamed of yourself Ned, for your childish outburst.
 
2013-12-10 09:31:53 PM

kryptin420: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-hard-drive-is-replaceable- bu t-doing-so-will-void-your-warranty/1100-6416316/


From your link:
In addition, it is unclear if the Xbox One will recognize unformatted SATA hard drives.

It could very well be the xbone has a similar feature as the 360 had.  I don't see MS passing up a chance at selling proprietary hardware at a huge markup in one fashion or another.  They made some slick cash on hdd's.

then again, they may have just given up due to sites like se7ensins.(game/console modding forums).
 
2013-12-10 09:42:10 PM
Just wanted to biatch, I put in a BD-R that I burned and the Xbox One can't read it.  Apparently it only supports mastered Blu-ray discs, not home burned discs.  I don't get it.
 
2013-12-10 10:32:48 PM
Most stores I have been to, last was Target, has the Xbone in stock.  No one keeps the ps4 in stock longer than a couple hours.
 
2013-12-10 10:36:18 PM

sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.


Reserved space for swap files per media type?  Multiple media sources all running at once may need to each have their own space.  Also possibly mirroring of data for fault tolerance and recovery.
 
2013-12-10 10:41:46 PM

WalkingCarpet: Just wanted to biatch, I put in a BD-R that I burned and the Xbox One can't read it.  Apparently it only supports mastered Blu-ray discs, not home burned discs.  I don't get it.


Because fark you, that's why.
 
2013-12-10 11:04:11 PM
Remember the old days when you had to install games to some old clunky computer but then they invented those awesome cartridges and CD/DVDs for games?

Thank god those days are behind us with all this new technology.
 
2013-12-10 11:09:13 PM

farkeruk: In 2013, a 500GB hard drive in a "next generation console" is ridiculous, especially when 138GB of that goes on system stuff. They could have spent £6 more (and that's single unit retail, so probably realistically £4 in Microsoft's volumes) and given people a 1TB drive that would effectively give nearly triple the storage space.

Then again, if they sell it for 500GB now, they can sell you an expensive proprietary upgrade later.


Kinda like my 4th 360 (after 3RRODS, and another that sounded like a truck that I traded in) that I picked up in 2010 came with a 6bg HD or the option to spend $100 on a 50GB replacement?

All makers are guilty of this though. Same deal with buying a tablet. Oh, you want 64GB instead of 32? $100 more please. What? you can buy a 64gb SD card for like 10 bucks? Screw you buddy!
 
2013-12-10 11:33:17 PM

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Yeah, all you have to do is start putting 50gb files in the cloud, you lazy ass gravy cockwads. "Whaaaa...whaaaa...I don't have a dedicated fiber line straight to Microsoft's server farm to make that viable"...shut up. Christ.
 
2013-12-11 02:30:35 AM
... so uninstall something?

I mean, that's, what... 20 games times $60 a game (assuming they're AAA releases, then again, that's not needed to warrant a wallet-raping these days)... $1200 worth of games? I don't know anyone who has that much invested in a console game library at one time.

And if you do, find something better to do with your time.

/The difference between you and Microsoft is that they figured out there's more money in making computers work than using them
//that applies to video games as well
 
2013-12-11 04:39:04 AM

GlassWalker: Tyrosine: When I first went back to PC gaming I used a controller as well. Do yourself a favor and learn to use keyboard / mouse. It's soooo much better than a controller because the mouse gives much better control. Trust me. It takes a few hours of play to get the muscle memory down, but once you learn it you will never go back to controllers.

/there's no whore like a reformed whore

I agree, in general. (In fact, I just alt-tab'd Mass Effect to check back here.)

That said, some games are a lot more fluid on controller, like Assassin's Creed. I think it comes from Devs building on multi-platform and designing some games for console first. So, I bounce back and forth.

I just mention it because I think many console gamers are console gamers because they're casual, or just more comfortable with a controller. So I wanted to mention that a person could be a controller gamer on PC too.


I played AC, AC2, Brotherhood, and part of 3 with keyboard and mouse. Bought a PS3 controller three days ago and started on 2 again, so much better than keyboard and mouse (on this title).

I may buy a gaming rig sometime soon as my laptop won't run AC4 or other titles I've heard good thing about (Skyrim, Bioshock, etc). I was a console gamer for years but with Steam PC gaming "just works". I haven't built a PC in years so I may look for out of the box.
 
2013-12-11 08:18:54 AM
the space is less an issue than the speed... why these systems were designed with a 5400rpm SATA2-to-USB3.0 HDD in mind boggles me

Marine1: ... so uninstall something?

I mean, that's, what... 20 games times $60 a game (assuming they're AAA releases, then again, that's not needed to warrant a wallet-raping these days)... $1200 worth of games? I don't know anyone who has that much invested in a console game library at one time.

And if you do, find something better to do with your time.

/The difference between you and Microsoft is that they figured out there's more money in making computers work than using them
//that applies to video games as well


i wouldn't be shocked if both Sony and Microsoft came out with consoles a year from now with more space, just like how the 360 and PS3 both started off with 20gb versions that are now useless
 
2013-12-11 08:27:01 AM

BumpInTheNight: Tax Boy: What is it with homebrew gamer pc builders' hard-on for annoying blue and purple LED lighting?

Believe me its only a small subset who unfortunately also show them off like moms do with their kids on facebook.  Many of us prefer to just drop their little ricer rigs down a peg with casual mentions of stuff like "Oh an SSD, how quaint.  Lemmie know when you're rocking a 4xraid0 of them."

Like I just did. :P


this is why i prefer corsair cases

my only complaint about my current one is the big glass screen on the CPU/GPU/Motherboard side (air 540)... what's the point? my motherboard has some red lights on it, woopty doo
 
2013-12-11 08:54:17 AM

Tyrosine: FarkGrudge: Fano: eldritch2k4: I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!

I was wondering why no one had mentioned this yet. I assume these digital hoarders have terabytes of porn they've never looked at.

Because this is the reason people buy consoles to begin with.

We buy consoles to avoid the "hassles" of PC-gaming...you know, disk management, driver management, resource management, etc.  In short:  console gaming needs to "just work," otherwise, it's going to have the same pitfalls as PC gaming.

I keep hearing this as the main reason people prefer consoles, but as someone who has a PS2, PS3, XBox360 and a PC I don't see the problem. It's not like back in the late 80s /early 90s where you had to memorize a bunch of DOS commands to use a PC. Everything today is plug and play on PCs. I've only had two problems with PC games in the last 10 years and they were taken care of by updating drivers, which PCs do automatically just like consoles (the only difference being you have to  "OK" the update which takes one click of the mouse). I just built a new PC, loaded all my games from Steam, some of which are over 10 years old, and everything worked perfectly.

Memory management? This has always been an issue with consoles depending on how many games you have. Regardless of the platform, if you filled the HD, you filled the HD. You could either pay for an upgrade, delete stuff, or use an external. It's no more (or less) difficult on a PC than an XBox or PS.

I suppose backward compatibility is a bit of an issue for PCs. Games written for DOS may have problems running under windows 7, but the last time I checked you can't play PS2/PS3 games on the PS4, nor 360 game ...


Ok, but I have bought PC games and never got to play them because of compatibility. A few others required sound or graphic card updates before they would play. Also, trying to use a controller was a huge hassle.

The master race glosses over these issues. PC gaming was more rewarding because it felt like a major accomplishment to get some games to play at all on a PC.

I'm not an expert, and my equipment has always been middling. But that's why guys like me have prefered consoles. Until now, anyway.
 
2013-12-11 09:09:06 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: GlassWalker: Tyrosine: When I first went back to PC gaming I used a controller as well. Do yourself a favor and learn to use keyboard / mouse. It's soooo much better than a controller because the mouse gives much better control. Trust me. It takes a few hours of play to get the muscle memory down, but once you learn it you will never go back to controllers.

/there's no whore like a reformed whore

I agree, in general. (In fact, I just alt-tab'd Mass Effect to check back here.)

That said, some games are a lot more fluid on controller, like Assassin's Creed. I think it comes from Devs building on multi-platform and designing some games for console first. So, I bounce back and forth.

I just mention it because I think many console gamers are console gamers because they're casual, or just more comfortable with a controller. So I wanted to mention that a person could be a controller gamer on PC too.

I played AC, AC2, Brotherhood, and part of 3 with keyboard and mouse. Bought a PS3 controller three days ago and started on 2 again, so much better than keyboard and mouse (on this title).

I may buy a gaming rig sometime soon as my laptop won't run AC4 or other titles I've heard good thing about (Skyrim, Bioshock, etc). I was a console gamer for years but with Steam PC gaming "just works". I haven't built a PC in years so I may look for out of the box.


You can run AC3 but not bioshock or skyrim?

Steam gaming does not always 'just work'. Some of the Indy titles will fail to run, and sometimes they run out of keys for hot super sale items (the former has only happened 2-3 times, the latter hasn't happened I think this year, was a relic of devs only giving steam a few keys and underestimating steam sale power).

It's pretty close though not 'as good' as console gaming for 'just works'

/avoid dues ex human revolution collectors cut. It runs like shiat on every system I've seen. The non DC edition is good but they farked the dog somehow with the DC
 
2013-12-11 09:57:00 AM

stewbert: Tyrosine: FarkGrudge: Fano: eldritch2k4: I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!

I was wondering why no one had mentioned this yet. I assume these digital hoarders have terabytes of porn they've never looked at.

Because this is the reason people buy consoles to begin with.

We buy consoles to avoid the "hassles" of PC-gaming...you know, disk management, driver management, resource management, etc.  In short:  console gaming needs to "just work," otherwise, it's going to have the same pitfalls as PC gaming.

I keep hearing this as the main reason people prefer consoles, but as someone who has a PS2, PS3, XBox360 and a PC I don't see the problem. It's not like back in the late 80s /early 90s where you had to memorize a bunch of DOS commands to use a PC. Everything today is plug and play on PCs. I've only had two problems with PC games in the last 10 years and they were taken care of by updating drivers, which PCs do automatically just like consoles (the only difference being you have to  "OK" the update which takes one click of the mouse). I just built a new PC, loaded all my games from Steam, some of which are over 10 years old, and everything worked perfectly.

Memory management? This has always been an issue with consoles depending on how many games you have. Regardless of the platform, if you filled the HD, you filled the HD. You could either pay for an upgrade, delete stuff, or use an external. It's no more (or less) difficult on a PC than an XBox or PS.

I suppose backward compatibility is a bit of an issue for PCs. Games written for DOS may have problems running under windows 7, but the last time I checked you can't play PS2/PS3 games on the PS4, no ...


I'm not an expert either. That's my point. Over the last 10 years, especially in the last 5, PCs have become much easier to use and effectively work the same as consoles: Both PCs and consoles automatically update their drivers, require virtually the same amount of technical skill to install, etc. PCs do offer far more flexibility than consoles, which can complicate things, but taking advantage of this flexibility is optional. As I've said you can get a ready to go gaming PC right out of the box.

I've never had a problem with a Steam game and I'm playing some games (e.g. Space Empires IV) that date back form the late 90's. Many of my games were written in the XP era (Bioshock, Fallout 3) but Steam has patched them to work under Win 7 and 8.

Are there compatibility issues? Sure. If you buy an old XBox game do you expect it to work on your new XBox1? No. But for some reason people buy off the shelf games made for XP and are astounded when they won't work under windows 8.
 
2013-12-11 03:18:32 PM

stewbert: Tyrosine: FarkGrudge: Fano: eldritch2k4: I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!

I was wondering why no one had mentioned this yet. I assume these digital hoarders have terabytes of porn they've never looked at.

Because this is the reason people buy consoles to begin with.

We buy consoles to avoid the "hassles" of PC-gaming...you know, disk management, driver management, resource management, etc.  In short:  console gaming needs to "just work," otherwise, it's going to have the same pitfalls as PC gaming.

I keep hearing this as the main reason people prefer consoles, but as someone who has a PS2, PS3, XBox360 and a PC I don't see the problem. It's not like back in the late 80s /early 90s where you had to memorize a bunch of DOS commands to use a PC. Everything today is plug and play on PCs. I've only had two problems with PC games in the last 10 years and they were taken care of by updating drivers, which PCs do automatically just like consoles (the only difference being you have to  "OK" the update which takes one click of the mouse). I just built a new PC, loaded all my games from Steam, some of which are over 10 years old, and everything worked perfectly.

Memory management? This has always been an issue with consoles depending on how many games you have. Regardless of the platform, if you filled the HD, you filled the HD. You could either pay for an upgrade, delete stuff, or use an external. It's no more (or less) difficult on a PC than an XBox or PS.

I suppose backward compatibility is a bit of an issue for PCs. Games written for DOS may have problems running under windows 7, but the last time I checked you can't play PS2/PS3 games on the PS4, no ...


i guess it depends on the individual but... i remember enjoying both consoles and PC gaming growing up, yeah i was 7 or 8 years old running Wolfenstein in DOS and enjoying the hell out of that... nothing about PC's scared me as a child

to me the technical hurdle of PC gaming really peaked during the windows 98 era (tho it was still worth it for games like Quake), while the service/game options hit rock bottom between 2004-2007 when basically people only played PC games for Blizzard games

you also had some serious stagnation in the ease of setting up and using PC's during that general time period

but yeah, like others have said the last 5 years has made PC gaming easy as hell, i have to deal with more system updates and patching and crap services on consoles nowadays
 
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