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(IGN)   Hope you weren't planning on owning more than 20 games for your new Xbox One, the non-upgradeable hard drive reaches capacity at 362GB with the operating system taking up a whopping 30%   (ign.com) divider line 213
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2013-12-10 09:30:55 AM
I put a 1TB Seagate hybrid SSD drive in my PS4 the instant I got it, couldn't have been any easier, $100 on Amazon.

If the upper limit is 362GB that means the three games I have for my One, DR3, Ryse and Forza 5, take up 23% of my available space less than a month into ownership.

That kind of sucks.
 
2013-12-10 09:36:23 AM
Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.
 
2013-12-10 09:40:35 AM

sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026692/microsoft-surface-pro-64gb-co me s-with-only-23gb-of-available-storage-space.html

Microsoft Surface Pro 64GB comes with only 23GB of available storage space

Microsoft confirmed the $899 64GB model of the Surface Pro will only have 23GB available for use out of the box - that's just under 36 percent of the advertised capacity. The rest is taken up by the full Windows 8 Pro install, preinstalled apps and a recovery partition, which make up for the 41GB occupied. The 128GB model of the Surface Pro comes with 65 percent of its advertised storage capacity available, 83GB.
 
2013-12-10 10:14:29 AM
Is that 362 actual gigabytes, or what HDD manufacturers call gigabytes?
 
2013-12-10 10:14:40 AM
The Xbone's OS is on the HD?  That's definitely different from the previous consoles.
I always considered it a benefit to the 360 that even if the HD failed (which they are prone to do) the console was still usable.
 
2013-12-10 10:15:24 AM
If you want something where you install every game to a hard drive, you want a PC. That's what that thing is.
 
2013-12-10 10:15:55 AM

sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.


That's just asking for trouble. Windows loves to keep undeletable ever growing folders. I've seen winsxs get to 10 GB by itself.
 
2013-12-10 10:16:16 AM

WalkingCarpet: sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026692/microsoft-surface-pro-64gb-co me s-with-only-23gb-of-available-storage-space.html

Microsoft Surface Pro 64GB comes with only 23GB of available storage space

Microsoft confirmed the $899 64GB model of the Surface Pro will only have 23GB available for use out of the box - that's just under 36 percent of the advertised capacity. The rest is taken up by the full Windows 8 Pro install, preinstalled apps and a recovery partition, which make up for the 41GB occupied. The 128GB model of the Surface Pro comes with 65 percent of its advertised storage capacity available, 83GB.


Surface RT comes out at taking up only about 11 GB out of 32 GB with 8.1, which includes Office. You'd think that a more cut down OS like the one of the Xbox would be a little slimmer. Of course, a lot of the loss could be from the loss of capacity due to formatting loss and the binary and decimal differences in measuring drives.

Still, I wish Microsoft had made the drive user upgradable like Sony did. With digital downloads, you really need upgradability now. Although I have heard that Microsoft is planning on supporting external HDDs in the future.
 
2013-12-10 10:17:27 AM
I thought we were ok with this since they are adding support for external drives in a future patch?
 
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2013-12-10 10:18:22 AM

I Like Bread: Is that 362 actual gigabytes, or what HDD manufacturers call gigabytes?


What HDD manufacturers call gigabytes are gigabytes.

IIRC, memory and such is now measured in gibibytes.
 
2013-12-10 10:20:48 AM

sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.


Good God, man, I hope that's Server Core! We've been giving our Server 2008 R2 servers 100gig and they feel tight. I installed a new SQL '12 on 2008 R2 from scratch just the other day and it's sitting at 131 gig used right now.
 
2013-12-10 10:21:37 AM

Meethos: I thought we were ok with this since they are adding support for external drives in a future patch?


That's going to come out with the waterproof patch, right?
 
2013-12-10 10:21:49 AM
Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?
 
2013-12-10 10:21:56 AM

Meethos: I thought we were ok with this since they are adding support for external drives in a future patch?


That's fine and all but it's yet another thing to hook up, another thing to plug in, etc.  My TV already looks like a bluetooth headset wearing douchebag with that giant Kinect on top of it.  Would much rather just swap out the hard drive for one with more capacity.
 
2013-12-10 10:23:53 AM
Maybe the X Box One comes with a secret copy of MS Office hidden on it.
 
2013-12-10 10:25:08 AM

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Shut up, Ballmer, you cock.
 
2013-12-10 10:25:32 AM

WalkingCarpet: I put a 1TB Seagate hybrid SSD drive in my PS4 the instant I got it, couldn't have been any easier, $100 on Amazon.

If the upper limit is 362GB that means the three games I have for my One, DR3, Ryse and Forza 5, take up 23% of my available space less than a month into ownership.

That kind of sucks.


What 1TB SSD did you get for $100? Seriously, I want one.
 
2013-12-10 10:27:27 AM

logggur: WalkingCarpet: I put a 1TB Seagate hybrid SSD drive in my PS4 the instant I got it, couldn't have been any easier, $100 on Amazon.

If the upper limit is 362GB that means the three games I have for my One, DR3, Ryse and Forza 5, take up 23% of my available space less than a month into ownership.

That kind of sucks.

What 1TB SSD did you get for $100? Seriously, I want one.


I located a few. Note that he stated the drive to be a "hybrid".
 
2013-12-10 10:27:29 AM

logggur: WalkingCarpet: I put a 1TB Seagate hybrid SSD drive in my PS4 the instant I got it, couldn't have been any easier, $100 on Amazon.

If the upper limit is 362GB that means the three games I have for my One, DR3, Ryse and Forza 5, take up 23% of my available space less than a month into ownership.

That kind of sucks.

What 1TB SSD did you get for $100? Seriously, I want one.


Yeah, me too.
 
2013-12-10 10:29:59 AM

rpm: gigabytes


A gigabyte is 2^30, as opposed to a billion, which is 10^9.
 
2013-12-10 10:30:05 AM

logggur: What 1TB SSD did you get for $100? Seriously, I want one.


Not an SSD but a hybrid SSD:

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Solid-Hybrid-2-5-Inch-ST1000LM014/dp/B 00 B99JUBQ/
 
2013-12-10 10:30:18 AM

logggur: WalkingCarpet: I put a 1TB Seagate hybrid SSD drive in my PS4 the instant I got it, couldn't have been any easier, $100 on Amazon.

If the upper limit is 362GB that means the three games I have for my One, DR3, Ryse and Forza 5, take up 23% of my available space less than a month into ownership.

That kind of sucks.

What 1TB SSD did you get for $100? Seriously, I want one.


Gotta be a hybrid - if not Ill take 100,000 and retire early reselling them.
 
2013-12-10 10:30:22 AM
if you're going to download games they'll probably be on "Da Cloud!  Da Cloud!"
www.singlespeedstella.com
so you can probably just redownload the local content for any game you already own.  Probably just like how STEAM already works.
 
2013-12-10 10:30:51 AM

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right?


So I upload all of my games to the cloud?  And when I launch Forza, it then downloads the 8GB+ from the cloud to launch it every time?  That sounds incredibly stupid.
 
2013-12-10 10:31:36 AM

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Hey, if you feel like waiting for a 20-30 GB download to install before you start playing a game that's fine, but I like having everything on a huge drive.
 
2013-12-10 10:33:11 AM

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Hey you take your facts out of this discussion mister. This is about how much we hate the Xbone, or how much we love the PS4, or how both suck and real gamers only play on PC. Your reasonable explaination has no place here.
 
2013-12-10 10:34:23 AM
I don't plan on owning (or playing) any xbone games. I'll probably get a ps4 when they're $150 used at Gamestop and there's a big catalog available. But Microsoft can blow me.
 
2013-12-10 10:35:47 AM

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Purposely gimping a system to force people to use a "feature" is full retard.
 
2013-12-10 10:39:16 AM

ReverendJasen: FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right?

So I upload all of my games to the cloud?  And when I launch Forza, it then downloads the 8GB+ from the cloud to launch it every time?  That sounds incredibly stupid.


No - I'm sure it catalogs your games and keeps the most used ones on your HDD. So you'll only have to spend hours downloading a massive game from the cloud, say, once a week.
 
2013-12-10 10:39:43 AM
The S.M.A.R.T. feature of the SATA drive of my secondary gaming computer warns that a failure is imminent. Fortunately, my secondary computer is not an XBone, and I am able to purchase and install a replacement drive.
 
2013-12-10 10:40:27 AM

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


Installing your games on your own machine: deliberate sabatoge.

I hope they aren't paying you a lot, you aren't good at this.
 
2013-12-10 10:40:49 AM

ReverendJasen: FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right?

So I upload all of my games to the cloud?  And when I launch Forza, it then downloads the 8GB+ from the cloud to launch it every time?  That sounds incredibly stupid.


I was thinking the same thing.
 
2013-12-10 10:40:53 AM
Ah, Microsoft. You can't even really say they've got their heads up their asses anymore; it's becoming more and more apparent that the entire company is just a giant, fractal asshole. As large or small a chunk of the company you want to look at - yup, still an asshole.
 
2013-12-10 10:42:57 AM

Ned Stark: FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?

Installing your games on your own machine: deliberate sabatoge.

I hope they aren't paying you a lot, you aren't good at this.


We really need to get over this need to accuse everyone who disagrees with us of being a paid schill.  You have every reason to be upset about the small storage drive on the xbox one but you make yourself look stupid when you post things like this.
 
2013-12-10 10:43:04 AM

logggur: WalkingCarpet: I put a 1TB Seagate hybrid SSD drive in my PS4 the instant I got it, couldn't have been any easier, $100 on Amazon.

If the upper limit is 362GB that means the three games I have for my One, DR3, Ryse and Forza 5, take up 23% of my available space less than a month into ownership.

That kind of sucks.

What 1TB SSD did you get for $100? Seriously, I want one.


Hybrid. They typically have about 8 gigs of flash drive and the rest is a standard hard drive. They have faster access than a typical HD, but not the same speed as an SSD. I prefer having a separate SSD for my OS and programs, and using a standard HD for data.
 
2013-12-10 10:43:22 AM

sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.


It's not the OS is taking up 100+Gb is that the system is reserving 100+Gb.   That'll be swap space (if not outright swap than 'an area to dump active memory to allow for task switching when playing a game'), restore images, firmware download space and indeed the OS itself.   Considering Microsoft can't predict the future and how much space the OS will balloon to over the years (and lets be honest it is going to grow) 100GB sounds pretty sensible.

That the end user can't say "balls to it" and either replace disk outright or supplement it with a USB pack is rather dense.  Sure a blank disk = no OS in this case but even Apple have it that a Mac with a blank disk will bring up the NIC and start downloading its restore image from the mothership; I see no reason Microsoft's flagship console shouldn't be able to do that.

Also you might want to give the servers 50Gb flat, at the very least it's an extra 3Gb of 'ohh shiat' space should it start doing something... daft.  Like a process gets really god damn chatty with its logfile that just has to be on the boot drive.  Might mean the difference between catching the bastard and the box falling over.
 
2013-12-10 10:43:43 AM
ITT: People with little to no understanding of how Games work suddenly outraged by install sizes.
 
2013-12-10 10:44:54 AM

sammyk: I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.


Speaking from experience with server 2008, that's a terrible idea.
 
2013-12-10 10:46:45 AM
Meanwhile on my PC....
 
2013-12-10 10:48:03 AM

WalkingCarpet: sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026692/microsoft-surface-pro-64gb-co me s-with-only-23gb-of-available-storage-space.html

Microsoft Surface Pro 64GB comes with only 23GB of available storage space

Microsoft confirmed the $899 64GB model of the Surface Pro will only have 23GB available for use out of the box - that's just under 36 percent of the advertised capacity. The rest is taken up by the full Windows 8 Pro install, preinstalled apps and a recovery partition, which make up for the 41GB occupied. The 128GB model of the Surface Pro comes with 65 percent of its advertised storage capacity available, 83GB.


That's just crazy that a tablet OS needs more storage than a full blown server OS.
 
2013-12-10 10:51:04 AM

The Slush: sammyk: I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.

Speaking from experience with server 2008, that's a terrible idea.


It was kinda of dumb back in the days of NT4 as well but shhh... it's a lesson we all have to learn the hardway.
 
2013-12-10 10:52:14 AM

fang06554: sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.

That's just asking for trouble. Windows loves to keep undeletable ever growing folders. I've seen winsxs get to 10 GB by itself.


Well aware of the issue. There is a cleanup tool that gets rid of the SP files. We typically don't deploy an OS until there is at least SP1 as well so it limits the exposure. it's still pretty rare for us to have an issue with 2k8rs boxes on a 36GB partition
 
2013-12-10 10:53:51 AM
I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!
 
2013-12-10 10:54:58 AM

Mad_Radhu: WalkingCarpet: sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026692/microsoft-surface-pro-64gb-co me s-with-only-23gb-of-available-storage-space.html

Microsoft Surface Pro 64GB comes with only 23GB of available storage space

Microsoft confirmed the $899 64GB model of the Surface Pro will only have 23GB available for use out of the box - that's just under 36 percent of the advertised capacity. The rest is taken up by the full Windows 8 Pro install, preinstalled apps and a recovery partition, which make up for the 41GB occupied. The 128GB model of the Surface Pro comes with 65 percent of its advertised storage capacity available, 83GB.

Surface RT comes out at taking up only about 11 GB out of 32 GB with 8.1, which includes Office. You'd think that a more cut down OS like the one of the Xbox would be a little slimmer. Of course, a lot of the loss could be from the loss of capacity due to formatting loss and the binary and decimal differences in measuring drives.

Still, I wish Microsoft had made the drive user upgradable like Sony did. With digital downloads, you really need upgradability now. Although I have heard that Microsoft is planning on supporting external HDDs in the future.


It's BS to use a 500GB drive in this day and age to begin with. Would a 2TB drive really add all that much to the cost?
 
2013-12-10 10:58:35 AM
20 games "at once".  There is never I time I feel the need to have 20 games available to play so this isn't really an issue.
 
2013-12-10 10:59:40 AM

FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?


You can't install games to Skydrive. Don't be daft. Skydrive is for photos, videos and music.
 
2013-12-10 11:00:29 AM

jayhawk88: sammyk: Something doesn't add up. Is there an OS that requires 100+GB? I'm giving brand new 2012 servers 48GB for the system drive.

Good God, man, I hope that's Server Core! We've been giving our Server 2008 R2 servers 100gig and they feel tight. I installed a new SQL '12 on 2008 R2 from scratch just the other day and it's sitting at 131 gig used right now.


We keep our OS drives clean. SQL and app installs go to the D:\ drive. I wont certify the build for production if the DBA or app guy tries to install anything on the OS partition. Citrix is the exception. We haven't determined that standard yet.

There is still no reason I can think of that a game console OS needs to be over 100GB. Even reserving space for future upgrades and patches is a dumb engineering solution.
 
2013-12-10 11:01:25 AM

RexTalionis: FormlessOne: Um, you do realize that you get unlimited free storage in the cloud with Xbox One and your Xbox Live account, right? That storage management is an automatic feature? That, if you're forcing the installation of 20 games to your drive, without using either of those features, you're deliberately sabotaging your Xbox One for the purposes of, well, disingenuous sensationalism, to be generous?

You can't install games to Skydrive. Don't be daft. Skydrive is for photos, videos and music.


Also game saves - but game saves (maybe up to 50 megs) aren't that huge compared to a 30-40 gig game install.
 
2013-12-10 11:02:12 AM

eldritch2k4: I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!


That's what you'll have to do.  Sucks really. I have hundreds of 360 games and will, on occasion, rummage thru the old ones, pull out something and spend a 1/2 hour playing just for old times sake.  If I have to go thru the entire re-install every time, which is lengthier than it should be right now, I won't be doing that anymore.
 
2013-12-10 11:04:08 AM

fawlty: eldritch2k4: I completely plan on owning more than 20 games over the course of the system's life. You know what I will probably do? The same thing I do on my PC when I run low on space: uninstall the games that I don't actually play, install the one I want to use and keep the disc around to reinstall, should I get the urge to play the ones I uninstalled. THE HORROR!

That's what you'll have to do.  Sucks really. I have hundreds of 360 games and will, on occasion, rummage thru the old ones, pull out something and spend a 1/2 hour playing just for old times sake.  If I have to go thru the entire re-install every time, which is lengthier than it should be right now, I won't be doing that anymore.


You could just, you know, use a computer instead.
 
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