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2013-12-10 08:18:50 AM
Good.  There is some pretty good evidence that they contributed to the massacre in the first place:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230330950457918170 2 252120052
 
2013-12-10 08:26:38 AM
Good luck with that, Newtown.
 
2013-12-10 08:27:29 AM

dittybopper: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230330950457918170 2 252120052


misfire
 
2013-12-10 08:27:55 AM
 
2013-12-10 08:29:18 AM
our current media structure is designed to exploit and treat these victims and people like a side show, and yes, I can only imagine the pain and annoyance in having to deal with the deluge of cameras and bright eyed, bushy tailed "journalists", however, it is important for the country as a whole to not bury their heads in the sand and pretend this was just a freak of nature accident.

at this risk of sounding 9/11-y I really think it's important to not forget what happened there, especially the dialogue that began afterward.
 
2013-12-10 08:30:19 AM

dittybopper: Good.  There is some pretty good evidence that they contributed to the massacre in the first place:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230330950457918170 2 252120052


I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you mean the media and not the people of Newtown, since your link doesn't work for me.
 
2013-12-10 08:30:24 AM
So now we can look forward to the major media outlets all covering themselves on the day of the actual anniversary, reporting on what it means that they're not covering it and honoring the family's wishes, and then they'll swoop in the next day and stick cameras in front of anything with a pulse. Awesome.
 
2013-12-10 08:30:50 AM

vudukungfu: dittybopper: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230330950457918170 2 252120052

misfire


That article was lame. "Blame the media" writes a media outlet. "They want attention" writes a media representative looking for attention. "They want to wear women's clothing and shave their legs" writes an old white man who can't be himself because of 'pressure'.
 
2013-12-10 08:30:51 AM
They should just declare it the National NRA Appreciation Day, and be done with it.
 
2013-12-10 08:31:29 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: especially the dialogue that began afterward.


the wargarble?
 
2013-12-10 08:31:48 AM
Did they stay out? Or are we reading about the tragedy again so they can get ratings?
 
2013-12-10 08:32:15 AM
Why do I read the comments Ray?  Why do I read the comments?

Their request to be left alone is just going to feed the False Flag fire like a big old bellows.
 
2013-12-10 08:32:42 AM

Pocket Ninja: So now we can look forward to the major media outlets all covering themselves on the day of the actual anniversary, reporting on what it means that they're not covering it and honoring the family's wishes, and then they'll swoop in the next day and stick cameras in front of anything with a pulse. Awesome.


Oh, you are spot on with that
 
2013-12-10 08:33:36 AM

vudukungfu: Mrs.Sharpier: especially the dialogue that began afterward.

the wargarble?


Yes!

It was sooooo telling that the NRA fell silent and then when they did decide to make a statement, made it full of wargarble. That's important to note.
 
2013-12-10 08:34:19 AM
The town of Newtown was unbearable after the tragedy due to the press. I live one town over and have friends in Newtown and it sucked.

CSB Time:

During one of the funerals the press was camped out across the street (they weren't allowed on church property). They were there with stalker style telephoto lenses and parabolic mics. Revolting. Traffic was also a mess due to them. As I inched down the road and got to the stretch between the church and the vultures I realized one of them was broadcasting live, with her back to the road and standing right on the curb. Opportunity!

I rolled down my passenger window and when I was RIGHT behind her and inches away from her I gunned the engine, honked the horn, and started yelling "Let them mourn in piece you assh0les!!!! You pieces of shiat!!!". I have no idea if it went out over the air, but I shut down that broadcast and scared the shiat out of a few of them.

Maybe on the anniversary we should all pack super soakers full of piss and vinegar, literally.
 
2013-12-10 08:35:12 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: our current media structure is designed to exploit and treat these victims and people like a side show, and yes, I can only imagine the pain and annoyance in having to deal with the deluge of cameras and bright eyed, bushy tailed "journalists", however, it is important for the country as a whole to not bury their heads in the sand and pretend this was just a freak of nature accident.

at this risk of sounding 9/11-y I really think it's important to not forget what happened there, especially the dialogue that began afterward.



Which part of remembering requires them to hound the families and local community?

Can't they remember it from their "news" desk?
 
2013-12-10 08:36:05 AM

js34603: dittybopper: Good.  There is some pretty good evidence that they contributed to the massacre in the first place:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230330950457918170 2 252120052

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you mean the media and not the people of Newtown, since your link doesn't work for me.


Copy and paste it, then remove the spaces that Fark added to it.  It will work then, and yes, I do mean the media.
 
2013-12-10 08:36:53 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: our current media structure is designed to exploit and treat these victims and people like a side show, and yes, I can only imagine the pain and annoyance in having to deal with the deluge of cameras and bright eyed, bushy tailed "journalists", however, it is important for the country as a whole to not bury their heads in the sand and pretend this was just a freak of nature accident.

at this risk of sounding 9/11-y I really think it's important to not forget what happened there, especially the dialogue that began afterward.


Which dialogue? The root of the problem is bad parents creating little demons like this kid. If parents took the time to develop a healthy relationship with their child, they would have someone to go to when they needed someone. I was expelled from high school for making threats like this. I know how that kid felt, but I had more foresight than him.

When you get to the point of feeling like you have no one to turn to, you feel like everyone is against you. It's a way of thinking that should be reserved for hell. Now, I'm 28 years old, doing very well and am pretty happy. A dark state of mind is not reserved for the mentally ill... it's a hole that anyone can find themselves in at a moments notice, should the moons align just right.
 
2013-12-10 08:37:44 AM

SpectroBoy: Mrs.Sharpier: our current media structure is designed to exploit and treat these victims and people like a side show, and yes, I can only imagine the pain and annoyance in having to deal with the deluge of cameras and bright eyed, bushy tailed "journalists", however, it is important for the country as a whole to not bury their heads in the sand and pretend this was just a freak of nature accident.

at this risk of sounding 9/11-y I really think it's important to not forget what happened there, especially the dialogue that began afterward.


Which part of remembering requires them to hound the families and local community?

Can't they remember it from their "news" desk?


None. and I am not saying that hounding the families and locals would be appropriate, the opposite actually. BUT I worry that the reason the town officials want the media to stay away has a lot to do with avoiding the debates that might arise again.
 
2013-12-10 08:38:10 AM
Good luck with that.
 
2013-12-10 08:38:20 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-10 08:38:49 AM

vudukungfu: dittybopper: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230330950457918170 2 252120052

misfire


See those spaces?  Remove them and the link will work.

We've been using hypertext transfer protocol for what, gotta be at least 15 years now, and people still don't know that there shouldn't be spaces in an URL?

/Again, I didn't put them there, and they weren't there when I pasted it.
 
2013-12-10 08:38:57 AM

dittybopper: Good.  There is some pretty good evidence that they contributed to the massacre in the first place:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230330950457918170 2 252120052


I couldn't get that link to load, but I am going to politely disagree with the idea that anyone but Adam Lanza was responsible for the massacre. I was an abused kid who was a hell of a lot more than at risk. I harbored homicidal thoughts towards my family and a host of others as a teen. It was really the fact that my parents didn't own guns that kept some of that, or merely my own suicide from happening. I do not think that any law, availability of mental health care or gun control measure can ever stop this kind of tragedy from occurring. Sooner or later, somehow somebody will find a way to horrify us by killing a large number of people for reasons no one will ever understand. Life just sucks sometimes.

That doesn't mean I don't believe some form of all of the above need to be tried, just that we must recognize that it is impossible to stop all tragedies from occurring.

/and agree with the town
//i'm much better now(that was 35+ years ago)
///slashies for fun not people
 
2013-12-10 08:40:20 AM
Try being from NYC Newtown.
 
2013-12-10 08:40:57 AM
Pocket Ninja - So now we can look forward to the major media outlets all covering themselves on the day of the actual anniversary, reporting on what it means that they're not covering it and honoring the family's wishes, and then they'll swoop in the next day and stick cameras in front of anything with a pulse. Awesome.

I think you have it, sir. After all, telling the media to stay away from something like this is like telling Ted Cruz to re-think his position... neither are likely to happen.
 
2013-12-10 08:41:00 AM

tuxq: Mrs.Sharpier: our current media structure is designed to exploit and treat these victims and people like a side show, and yes, I can only imagine the pain and annoyance in having to deal with the deluge of cameras and bright eyed, bushy tailed "journalists", however, it is important for the country as a whole to not bury their heads in the sand and pretend this was just a freak of nature accident.

at this risk of sounding 9/11-y I really think it's important to not forget what happened there, especially the dialogue that began afterward.

Which dialogue? The root of the problem is bad parents creating little demons like this kid. If parents took the time to develop a healthy relationship with their child, they would have someone to go to when they needed someone. I was expelled from high school for making threats like this. I know how that kid felt, but I had more foresight than him.

When you get to the point of feeling like you have no one to turn to, you feel like everyone is against you. It's a way of thinking that should be reserved for hell. Now, I'm 28 years old, doing very well and am pretty happy. A dark state of mind is not reserved for the mentally ill... it's a hole that anyone can find themselves in at a moments notice, should the moons align just right.


Well there you go, isn't that a start to a conversation about parenting, warning signs, education procedures? I am saying that there's still a need for discussion and debate, and isolating the town might do more of a disservice to the country. It creates an "other" a place that's not like our town.
 
2013-12-10 08:41:17 AM

i.imgur.com



Link
"The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

"In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them.

The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy."
 
2013-12-10 08:42:54 AM

mutterfark: I couldn't get that link to load


Seriously...?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-10 08:43:12 AM

Pocket Ninja: So now we can look forward to the major media outlets all covering themselves on the day of the actual anniversary, reporting on what it means that they're not covering it and honoring the family's wishes, and then they'll swoop in the next day and stick cameras in front of anything with a pulse. Awesome.


As repugnant as it sounds you are not at all off the mark. Not sure how to solve the problem with our media and their outlets.
Journalism died a slow, agonizing death over the decades. And the public at large was completely complicit in that matter.
We made them the drooling, wide-eyed jackalope they are today. Now, I suppose we've nobody to blame but ourselves.
I have nothing but the deepest disdain and distrust for the press.
 
2013-12-10 08:45:12 AM
reminds me of Scream

spectrumculture.com
 
2013-12-10 08:46:15 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: SpectroBoy: Mrs.Sharpier: our current media structure is designed to exploit and treat these victims and people like a side show, and yes, I can only imagine the pain and annoyance in having to deal with the deluge of cameras and bright eyed, bushy tailed "journalists", however, it is important for the country as a whole to not bury their heads in the sand and pretend this was just a freak of nature accident.

at this risk of sounding 9/11-y I really think it's important to not forget what happened there, especially the dialogue that began afterward.


Which part of remembering requires them to hound the families and local community?

Can't they remember it from their "news" desk?

None. and I am not saying that hounding the families and locals would be appropriate, the opposite actually. BUT I worry that the reason the town officials want the media to stay away has a lot to do with avoiding the debates that might arise again.



So the officials would rather avoid a pointless political debate on a day they would prefer to mourn their losses?

Those bastards!
 
2013-12-10 08:46:30 AM

generallyso: [i.imgur.com image 800x600]

Link
"The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

"In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them.

The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy."


www.medjugorje.ws
 
2013-12-10 08:46:49 AM
"Man shall not be free until the last journalist is strangled with the entrails of the last liberal."

~ some Farktroll years ago
 
2013-12-10 08:47:44 AM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101258737

Maker of guns used in Sandy Hook shootings sees huge sales growth

The manufacturer of the assault-style rifles used in the mass shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., last year said sales of its products rose as much as 36 percent in the year since the incident.

/stock tip
 
2013-12-10 08:48:51 AM
www.newyorker.com
"Sorry, news media, but there's just room in Newtown for one vulture!"
 
2013-12-10 08:49:17 AM

SpectroBoy: The town of Newtown was unbearable after the tragedy due to the press. I live one town over and have friends in Newtown and it sucked.

CSB Time:

During one of the funerals the press was camped out across the street (they weren't allowed on church property). They were there with stalker style telephoto lenses and parabolic mics. Revolting. Traffic was also a mess due to them. As I inched down the road and got to the stretch between the church and the vultures I realized one of them was broadcasting live, with her back to the road and standing right on the curb. Opportunity!

I rolled down my passenger window and when I was RIGHT behind her and inches away from her I gunned the engine, honked the horn, and started yelling "Let them mourn in piece you assh0les!!!! You pieces of shiat!!!". I have no idea if it went out over the air, but I shut down that broadcast and scared the shiat out of a few of them.

Maybe on the anniversary we should all pack super soakers full of piss and vinegar, literally.


Doesn't that also mean you honked your horn and gunned the engine while yelling right in front of a child's funeral?
 
2013-12-10 08:50:58 AM

Shostie: mutterfark: I couldn't get that link to load

Seriously...?


Not particularly internet savvy, but ditty posted again how to correct my mistake.:) So, thanks dittybopper for that.

To comment on the link, I will only say that they have better info, and can spot trends that I as a data point would not be aware of. I would say that. at most, the media(or Ozzy, or GTA or Jason MMIX) may provide a particular path for someone who is already deeply troubled. I do not see any of those "influences" as causal. But I'm just throwing an opinion, and my anecdote is just that.
 
2013-12-10 08:51:13 AM

ModernPrimitive01: SpectroBoy: The town of Newtown was unbearable after the tragedy due to the press. I live one town over and have friends in Newtown and it sucked.

CSB Time:

During one of the funerals the press was camped out across the street (they weren't allowed on church property). They were there with stalker style telephoto lenses and parabolic mics. Revolting. Traffic was also a mess due to them. As I inched down the road and got to the stretch between the church and the vultures I realized one of them was broadcasting live, with her back to the road and standing right on the curb. Opportunity!

I rolled down my passenger window and when I was RIGHT behind her and inches away from her I gunned the engine, honked the horn, and started yelling "Let them mourn in piece you assh0les!!!! You pieces of shiat!!!". I have no idea if it went out over the air, but I shut down that broadcast and scared the shiat out of a few of them.

Maybe on the anniversary we should all pack super soakers full of piss and vinegar, literally.

Doesn't that also mean you honked your horn and gunned the engine while yelling right in front of a child's funeral?


But, you're missing the point! It's the MEDIA'S fault! They made him do it!
 
2013-12-10 08:51:46 AM
In other news, if there is any justice in this world look for a fiery 27-TV-truck pileup on nortbound I-684 this weekend.

Mrs.Sharpier: our current media structure is designed to exploit and treat these victims and people like a side show


That's only if the victims are in a suitably fashionable location. No national reporter wants to go back to do a retrospective on the Jiverly Wong massacre in Binghamton, because he shot a bunch of people whose names are hard to pronounce, nobody photogenic died, and Binghamton is a godawful depressing shiathole except for Wegmans.

Newtown? Nice suburb, lots of grieving cute soccer moms, it's ratings gold, plus the reporters get back home to Katonah or Greenwich or Westport or Pawling or Pound Ridge in time for the servants to have dinner ready.
 
2013-12-10 08:52:21 AM

dittybopper: Good.  There is some pretty good evidence that they contributed to the massacre in the first place:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230330950457918170 2 252120052


Who else contributed? I would like to see the comprehensive list of who you think contributed.
 
2013-12-10 08:53:36 AM

ModernPrimitive01: SpectroBoy: The town of Newtown was unbearable after the tragedy due to the press. I live one town over and have friends in Newtown and it sucked.

CSB Time:

During one of the funerals the press was camped out across the street (they weren't allowed on church property). They were there with stalker style telephoto lenses and parabolic mics. Revolting. Traffic was also a mess due to them. As I inched down the road and got to the stretch between the church and the vultures I realized one of them was broadcasting live, with her back to the road and standing right on the curb. Opportunity!

I rolled down my passenger window and when I was RIGHT behind her and inches away from her I gunned the engine, honked the horn, and started yelling "Let them mourn in piece you assh0les!!!! You pieces of shiat!!!". I have no idea if it went out over the air, but I shut down that broadcast and scared the shiat out of a few of them.

Maybe on the anniversary we should all pack super soakers full of piss and vinegar, literally.

Doesn't that also mean you honked your horn and gunned the engine while yelling right in front of a child's funeral?



The church was set back pretty far from the road. You could barely hear my horn over the chaos of the crowd, reporters, idling news trucks, and generators. It only worked on her because I was right behind her.
 
2013-12-10 08:55:01 AM
But does the NRA still get to host a seminar on choosing and buying an assault rifle? It's a great day to learn about your second amendment rights. There will be classes on buying silencers, and another on choosing ammunition for wound optimization.

And don't miss the keystone speech on how the media is responsible for mass shootings -it's both Informative and timely!
 
2013-12-10 08:55:16 AM

Gulper Eel: In other news, if there is any justice in this world look for a fiery 27-TV-truck pileup on nortbound I-684 this weekend.

Mrs.Sharpier: our current media structure is designed to exploit and treat these victims and people like a side show

That's only if the victims are in a suitably fashionable location. No national reporter wants to go back to do a retrospective on the Jiverly Wong massacre in Binghamton, because he shot a bunch of people whose names are hard to pronounce, nobody photogenic died, and Binghamton is a godawful depressing shiathole except for Wegmans.

Newtown? Nice suburb, lots of grieving cute soccer moms, it's ratings gold, plus the reporters get back home to Katonah or Greenwich or Westport or Pawling or Pound Ridge in time for the servants to have dinner ready.


very good point. not much coverage in chicago. 194 children have been shot since, but most of them aren't affluent and white.
 
2013-12-10 08:55:43 AM

SpectroBoy: You could barely hear my horn over the chaos of the crowd, reporters, idling news trucks, and generators. It only worked on her because I was right behind her.


Sounds like a perfect spot for all those bikers who like to disrupt Westboro protests. Nothing will fark with a standup like the sound of a few dozen Harleys.
 
2013-12-10 08:55:46 AM
At Least 194 Children Have Been Shot to Death Since Newtown.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/children-killed-guns-new to wn-anniversary


◾127 of the children died from gunshots in their own homes, while dozens more died in the homes of friends, neighbors, and relatives.

◾72 of the young victims either pulled the trigger themselves or were shot dead by another kid.

◾In those 72 cases, only 4 adults have been held criminally liable.

◾At least 52 deaths involved a child handling a gun left unsecured.

Additional findings include:

◾60 children died at the hands of their own parents, 50 of them in homicides.

◾The average age of the victims was 6 years old.

◾More than two-thirds of the victims were boys, as were more than three-quarters of the kids who pulled the trigger.

◾The problem was worst over the past year in the South, which saw at least 92 child gun deaths, followed by the Midwest (44), the West (38), and the East (20).
 
2013-12-10 08:55:59 AM

gja: Pocket Ninja: So now we can look forward to the major media outlets all covering themselves on the day of the actual anniversary, reporting on what it means that they're not covering it and honoring the family's wishes, and then they'll swoop in the next day and stick cameras in front of anything with a pulse. Awesome.

As repugnant as it sounds you are not at all off the mark. Not sure how to solve the problem with our media and their outlets.
Journalism died a slow, agonizing death over the decades. And the public at large was completely complicit in that matter.
We made them the drooling, wide-eyed jackalope they are today. Now, I suppose we've nobody to blame but ourselves.
I have nothing but the deepest disdain and distrust for the press.


Yep. Journalism relies on professional ethics, and ethics, in general, took a back seat to greed about 30 or so years ago. It's not journalism that's dead - take a look at all the hard investigative work done on issues that outlets know will sell ad time.

No, it's the concept of professional ethics that died, and not just in journalism. Doctors peddle the most expensive drugs because that's how they make the most money, even though cheaper, just-as-effective drugs exist. Lawyers? Hell, "lawyer" is practically synonymous with "unethical bastard" lately. The entire financial district runs on figuring out how to turn a profit while circumventing the laws and ethics by which they are supposedly bound.

Most folks view ethical conduct as "quaint" or "naïve" these days. "Playing by the rules" is something that unimaginative or non-entrepreneurial folks do, not "job creators" or "innovators." Why should journalists be any different? I mean, sure, the idea of "journalism for its own sake" is, in this world of media outlets scrambling for ad money and web addicts scrambling for content, "quaint", right?
 
2013-12-10 08:56:42 AM
Does that motorcycle group still go around keeping the Westboro people away from funerals?  Maybe they could be of use here.
 
2013-12-10 08:57:11 AM

you are a puppet: dittybopper: Good.  There is some pretty good evidence that they contributed to the massacre in the first place:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230330950457918170 2 252120052

Who else contributed? I would like to see the comprehensive list of who you think contributed.


http://goo.gl/2w7eFe
 
2013-12-10 08:58:50 AM
Perhaps a ban on megapixel cameras should be discussed.  Who needs more than 5 megapixels anyway?
 
2013-12-10 08:58:50 AM

wxboy: Does that motorcycle group still go around keeping the Westboro people away from funerals?  Maybe they could be of use here.


And, who would tell you if they showed up?
 
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