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(Sun Sentinel)   Once again, a nativity scene placed at the capital rotunda in Tallahassee will be accompanied by a Festivus pole made entirely of beer cans to protest the religious decoration. Ironically, Christians are already airing their grievances   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 162
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2013-12-09 08:50:32 PM
Pam Olsen, president of the Florida Prayer Network, said last week that such displays only "shine more light" on her group's message that she said isn't to be viewed as a state-sponsorship of religion.
"It's their right, they have a right to exercise freedom of speech, that's what America is about," Olsen said. "It doesn't faze me, it doesn't faze the God I serve."


Eh, that seems reasonable.
 
2013-12-09 09:20:13 PM
I wonder who will be performing the "Feats of Strength"...
 
2013-12-09 09:23:01 PM
"I still chuckle, I literally can't believe there will be a pile of Pabst Blue Ribbon cans in the state rotunda,"

That's because you're a douchebag.
 
2013-12-09 10:23:35 PM
I wondered which of these would get the greenlight....

/bitter
 
2013-12-09 10:30:48 PM
Sounds like the Christians don't give two shiats and are enjoying their display. Meanwhile some asshole loser with too much time has a big 'omfg I totally showed those assholes!' Smirk while everyone just shrugs.....
 
2013-12-09 10:34:08 PM
I will toss in there that at least the Christians are displaying things for the purpose of making folks happy. That asshole is purposely using public space to piss people off. He has the right, but I have no idea why anyone would support him in that.
 
2013-12-09 10:41:12 PM
Those Christians need to embrace minimalism.

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2013-12-09 10:47:57 PM

UberDave: I wonder who will be performing the "Feats of Strength"...


Butch wiccans, I'm betting.
 
2013-12-09 10:59:26 PM

NickelP: I will toss in there that at least the Christians are displaying things for the purpose of making folks happy. That asshole is purposely using public space to piss people off. He has the right, but I have no idea why anyone would support him in that.


A Festivus pole made of beer cans makes me happy. I couldn't care what some Christians think.
 
2013-12-09 11:06:29 PM

Confabulat: NickelP: I will toss in there that at least the Christians are displaying things for the purpose of making folks happy. That asshole is purposely using public space to piss people off. He has the right, but I have no idea why anyone would support him in that.

A Festivus pole made of beer cans makes me happy. I couldn't care what some Christians think.


Stevens, who operates a blog that focuses on South Florida politics, said the intent of the Festivus pole is to make a political statement on the need for the separation of church and state.

think it sounds cool too.. If he said 'oh I just always thought it was neat and folks would enjoy iy!' Id be all for it.

He didn't. He is just biatching and moaning. he needs to grow the fark up. There are lots of causes that he could advocate that are more focused on helping people instead of being butt hurt because people like things you don't like
 
2013-12-09 11:43:35 PM

NickelP: He is just biatching and moaning. he needs to grow the fark up. There are lots of causes that he could advocate that are more focused on helping people instead of being butt hurt because people like things you don't like


We really need to settle down on this thing where we call anybody that questions the way things are done and say they're biatching, whining, moaning, etc.

Can you imagine if somebody told Thomas Jefferson to stop whining about being under British rule? Or if somebody told Ghandi to stop biatching about people getting justice (read: revenge)?

The point he is trying to make IS grown up. It's a real issue about religion and its place in our government.
 
2013-12-09 11:45:28 PM
Rosa Parks, stop whining about your feet. There are real people out there with real problems. Grow up and get to the back of the bus with everybody else of your kind.
 
2013-12-10 12:29:33 AM
Serenity Now!!!
 
2013-12-10 12:31:08 AM

jaylectricity: The point he is trying to make IS grown up.


So it should come as no surprise that people who believe in children's fairy tales would oppose it.
 
2013-12-10 12:31:10 AM
I get the protest of church and state, but this is just Dickish.
 
2013-12-10 12:32:36 AM

NickelP: omfg I totally showed those assholes!


Seems to be working, NickelP, if you are any example.
 
2013-12-10 12:32:57 AM
High strength to weight ratio.
 
2013-12-10 12:33:26 AM
Shouldn't you Christians be in the Middle East on a Crusade looking for the Holy grail and executing the Muslims who refuse to convert to your religion?

/X-Mas traditions are so f*cked up.
 
2013-12-10 12:33:40 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Pam Olsen, president of the Florida Prayer Network, said last week that such displays only "shine more light" on her group's message that she said isn't to be viewed as a state-sponsorship of religion.
"It's their right, they have a right to exercise freedom of speech, that's what America is about," Olsen said. "It doesn't faze me, it doesn't faze the God I serve."

Eh, that seems reasonable.


Reasonable would be: "I don't need my religious symbol on government property.  It doesn't faze me, it doesn't faze the God I serve."
 
2013-12-10 12:34:53 AM
I see that NickleP has already started airing his grievances. Mine are this year it appears more idiots have joined Fark to continuously make tedious thread comments. Because of that my ignore list really grew this year to the point that half a thread's comments could be invisible to me.
 
2013-12-10 12:37:15 AM
Late last week, the Madison, Wisc.-based Freedom From Religion Foundation, which advocates for non-theists and promotes the separation of church and state, also set up a "Bill of Rights nativity" banner in the rotunda. The foundation's banner states: "At this season of the Winter Solstice, we celebrate the Birth of the Unconquered Sun - the TRUE reason for the season."

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2013-12-10 12:37:57 AM

NickelP: He didn't. He is just biatching and moaning. he needs to grow the fark up. There are lots of causes that he could advocate that are more focused on helping people instead of being butt hurt because people like things you don't like


Well, I know one guy who he pissed off. So mission accomplished.
 
2013-12-10 12:42:23 AM
/GIS festivus

Well, hello

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2013-12-10 12:43:35 AM
What's for the holiday dinner? Could we have some flying spaghetti?
 
2013-12-10 12:43:46 AM
Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. But I think I'll miss this one this year.
 
2013-12-10 12:44:35 AM
Christmas is just pagan anyways...
 
2013-12-10 12:44:48 AM
"my ridiculous statement versus what I consider, as an atheist, as their ridiculous statement."

Yeah he has a point, he's the village idiot whose whining because someone ELSE put a decoration up so he has to put his own up just because. this seems to be common with the florida Atheist group, they will do anything and everything to attack any religion in florida.

They claim "separation" of church and state - this I can agree, however few weeks ago some Church washed and blessed a road that was known for accidents, Atheist group rallied up few days later to "cleanse the road". Month ago some church donated a bench in a garden for homeless to have a place to sit too, the Athiest? of course needed to donate their own bench.

/I just see it as religious dickwads wanting to butt heads with others because frankly they have nothing better to do like grow the fark up
 
2013-12-10 12:46:19 AM
A&P has provided me
With the world's smallest turkey
Already in the oven, nice and hot
Oh damn! Guess what I forgot?
 
2013-12-10 12:48:16 AM
I generally find that the best way to stop something from happening is to ensure that it happens on a larger scale.
 
2013-12-10 12:49:20 AM

Zeno-25: Late last week, the Madison, Wisc.-based Freedom From Religion Foundation, which advocates for non-theists and promotes the separation of church and state, also set up a "Bill of Rights nativity" banner in the rotunda. The foundation's banner states: "At this season of the Winter Solstice, we celebrate the Birth of the Unconquered Sun - the TRUE reason for the season."


You'd be amazed at how much it blows someone's mind when they learn that Christian holidays all have pagan roots.

"Let's see, we need to convert these pagans but they just won't give up Yule, Ostara, and Samhain. Ok, we got Christmas which is pretty close to the birth of the Sun God, we'll let them keep their Ostara eggs and bunnies at Easter, and Samhain deals with the souls of the departed roaming the earth, but let's make the next day All Soul's Day, because I'm not a night owl."
 
2013-12-10 12:50:27 AM
As a Christian who doesn't care for religious nuts, atheist nuts, islamic nuts, jewish nuts, ad infinitum, I didn't read the post. I simply don't care. But cashews are good.

Feel the same about the gay thing. Diddle how you want, just don't try and cram it down my throat.
 
2013-12-10 12:53:16 AM
Cool.okay no worries Surre well but lol.

I had this t-shiat and got kicked out of school.

Fade to Black It all changed once cliff died.
 
2013-12-10 12:53:25 AM
Have yourself a merry merry Christmas
Have yourself a good time
But remember the kids who got nothin
While you're drinkin down your wine
 
2013-12-10 12:54:51 AM
So the Nutjobs-that-be let the Christian thing go up and have to let the Festivus thing go up as well?  Why aren't FSM people putting up some kind of display?  Or Subgeneii?  Or 5th Level Lazer Lotus Reformed Buddhists?

If this was close to me I'd get in on the FSM display... But I live in Kansas and I could be killed for that.
 
2013-12-10 12:55:22 AM

NickelP: I will toss in there that at least the Christians are displaying things for the purpose of making folks

other Christians happy.

FTFY.
 
2013-12-10 12:57:07 AM
Well any way most you farkers suck ball sor just go for the dweepthrought. Lol ; )
 
2013-12-10 12:57:27 AM

Zeno-25: Late last week, the Madison, Wisc.-based Freedom From Religion Foundation, which advocates for non-theists and promotes the separation of church and state, also set up a "Bill of Rights nativity" banner in the rotunda. The foundation's banner states: "At this season of the Winter Solstice, we celebrate the Birth of the Unconquered Sun - the TRUE reason for the season."

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This. I found that part WAY more amusing than a Festivus pole. At least have the good taste to use something better than PBR. Sheesh.
 
2013-12-10 01:00:54 AM

Aquapope: So the Nutjobs-that-be let the Christian thing go up and have to let the Festivus thing go up as well?  Why aren't FSM people putting up some kind of display?  Or Subgeneii?  Or 5th Level Lazer Lotus Reformed Buddhists?

If this was close to me I'd get in on the FSM display... But I live in Kansas and I could be killed for that.


It's funny because FSM was created over a Kansas State Board of Education decision to teach Creationism
 
2013-12-10 01:07:11 AM

Begoggle: God Is My Co-Pirate: Pam Olsen, president of the Florida Prayer Network, said last week that such displays only "shine more light" on her group's message that she said isn't to be viewed as a state-sponsorship of religion.
"It's their right, they have a right to exercise freedom of speech, that's what America is about," Olsen said. "It doesn't faze me, it doesn't faze the God I serve."

Eh, that seems reasonable.

Reasonable would be: "I don't need my religious symbol on government property.  It doesn't faze me, it doesn't faze the God I serve."


No, no, I think "everybody has a right to be here" is a better message than "nobody has a right to be here." If all religions and non-religious people are free to be represented equally, then there isn't a problem, because then the state isn't endorsing one view over any other.
 
2013-12-10 01:09:15 AM
BlackMtnMan:Feel the same about the gay thing. Diddle how you want, just don't try and cram it down my throat.

Giggity.
 
2013-12-10 01:10:35 AM

Brainsick: Aquapope: So the Nutjobs-that-be let the Christian thing go up and have to let the Festivus thing go up as well?  Why aren't FSM people putting up some kind of display?  Or Subgeneii?  Or 5th Level Lazer Lotus Reformed Buddhists?

If this was close to me I'd get in on the FSM display... But I live in Kansas and I could be killed for that.

It's funny because FSM was created over a Kansas State Board of Education decision to teach Creationism


A good friend of mine was on that BOA (Gamble) and she LOVED the FSM stuff.  She went into local, then state, board of education stuff because she thought she could help education, then found she could really only try like hell to stop the bastards.

But still, if these guys think Festuvus is the ONLY alternative mid-winder non-denominational celebration, somebody should teach them...
 
2013-12-10 01:11:32 AM

Mugato: "I still chuckle, I literally can't believe there will be a pile of Pabst Blue Ribbon cans in the state rotunda,"

That's because you're a douchebag.


No more so than christians putting up a religious display on government property.
 
2013-12-10 01:15:05 AM

NickelP: I will toss in there that at least the Christians are displaying things for the purpose of making folks happy. That asshole is purposely using public space to piss people off. He has the right, but I have no idea why anyone would support him in that.


No.  Christians are only displaying things for the purpose of making other christians happy.  Kind of selfish if you really think about it.
 
2013-12-10 01:15:44 AM

jaylectricity: NickelP: He is just biatching and moaning. he needs to grow the fark up. There are lots of causes that he could advocate that are more focused on helping people instead of being butt hurt because people like things you don't like

We really need to settle down on this thing where we call anybody that questions the way things are done and say they're biatching, whining, moaning, etc.

Can you imagine if somebody told Thomas Jefferson to stop whining about being under British rule? Or if somebody told Ghandi to stop biatching about people getting justice (read: revenge)?

The point he is trying to make IS grown up. It's a real issue about religion and its place in our government.


But he's doing it in the wrong way. The two examples you cite--being under British rule or getting justice--were ongoing, chronic issues. Neither Jefferson nor Ghandi limited his "whining and biatching" to symbolic and amusing displays lampooning harmless holidays. Does this guy ACTUALLY know of real issues where the church and state are not separate? Does he get in there and really work to keep religion out of government? Or did he just want to make a stack of beer cans next to a Nativity scene because he knew that would rile people up?

There are lots of ways to be concerned about the religion/government issue. A stack of beer cans next to a Nativity display, imo, is just whining.
 
2013-12-10 01:15:50 AM

Aquapope: Brainsick: Aquapope: So the Nutjobs-that-be let the Christian thing go up and have to let the Festivus thing go up as well?  Why aren't FSM people putting up some kind of display?  Or Subgeneii?  Or 5th Level Lazer Lotus Reformed Buddhists?

If this was close to me I'd get in on the FSM display... But I live in Kansas and I could be killed for that.

It's funny because FSM was created over a Kansas State Board of Education decision to teach Creationism

A good friend of mine was on that BOA (Gamble) and she LOVED the FSM stuff.  She went into local, then state, board of education stuff because she thought she could help education, then found she could really only try like hell to stop the bastards.

But still, if these guys think Festuvus is the ONLY alternative mid-winder non-denominational celebration, somebody should teach them...


My wife and I are seriously considering calling it Gravmas, since Isaac newton was born on december 25th. Also, her twin uncles' birthday is December 24th, so they get cake and presents anyway...

I knew about X day, but is there a Subgenius X-mas? That would most likely rule.

Also
Zeno-25:

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bubblear.com
 
2013-12-10 01:15:55 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Well any way most you farkers suck ball sor just go for the dweepthrought. Lol ; )


I'll have what she's having
 
2013-12-10 01:16:34 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Well any way most you farkers suck ball sor just go for the dweepthrought. Lol ; )


I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume this post was brought to us by wine.  :)
 
2013-12-10 01:17:53 AM
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2013-12-10 01:21:27 AM

Brainsick: My wife and I are seriously considering calling it Gravmas, since Isaac newton was born on december 25th. Also, her twin uncles' birthday is December 24th, so they get cake and presents anyway...


A happy Gravmas to you, my friends.  May your desserts stick to the floor but not to your fingers.  (sorry, the only blessing I could come up with for Gravmas)
 
2013-12-10 01:21:48 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Well any way most you farkers suck ball sor just go for the dweepthrought. Lol ; )


Maggie, clearly we need pics, you drunk vixen you.
 
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