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2013-12-09 06:53:25 PM  
Well that's just about as crazy as having an outdoor game in Las Vegas...ohhh wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgQtNJWI-RI
 
2013-12-09 07:20:54 PM  
They can't draw fans inside the arena so obviously the solution is to play outside in the sun.

F*ck the Phoenix Coyotes. They live the curse they deserve.
 
2013-12-09 07:23:36 PM  
They could have the game in Flagstaff...

http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:86001.1.99999
 
2013-12-09 07:36:35 PM  
Obviously been done before, but it's still a really cool idea. Pun intended.
 
2013-12-09 07:52:23 PM  
Just don't hold it 3 hours outside of a city where public transportation is a mess.
 
2013-12-09 08:15:34 PM  
Impossible! Everyone knows it's impossible to make ice in Phoenix. They have to drink all their beverages hot!
 
2013-12-09 08:24:46 PM  

Rev.K: They can't draw fans inside the arena so obviously the solution is to play outside in the sun.

F*ck the Phoenix Coyotes. They live the curse they deserve.


Fark you too, then. Enough that despite your LFC support, I'm done with your shiat.

/Don't think it's feasible either.
//Playing it in the Cardinals stadium next door, which is managed by the same people managing the arena is the most likely option
 
2013-12-09 08:36:29 PM  
I'm a long time Devils fan, going to the Devils-Rangers in January at Yankee Stadium.

Getting a kick, etc,
 
2013-12-09 08:36:57 PM  
OK look, the Winter Classic is an awesome spectacle and it always pulls big ratings(for hockey), but putting it on in the freaking desert is going to do two things.  1) Suck any credibility it has right out  2) Turn it into a gimmick as opposed to an event.

Leave it in Canada and the northern USA.  If the fans aren't wearing hats and seeing their breath the whole atmosphere you're trying to create goes right out the window.
 
2013-12-09 08:37:41 PM  

desertgeek: Fark you too, then. Enough that despite your LFC support, I'm done with your shiat.


Canadian fans have every right to be mad at Phoenix. The big money we shell out to attend games here get tranched up and sent to Phoenix to keep them afloat.

Only 11 years ago, the threat from Bettman was unmistakable; if the Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers don't sell 13,000 season tickets and increase advertising revenues, the franchises will be relocated. The Flames and Oilers sold enough, so the threat was ended, but it was a resounding moment in Gary Bettman's tenure that left an extremely sour taste in the mouths of many fans.

A decade later, the Phoenix Coyotes have never turned a profit and Gary Bettman is willing to appeal to Glendale City Council, on numerous occasions to be floated taxpayer money to keep the team in Phoenix. Any potential ownership changes are confronted with Bettman's demand that the team stay in Phoenix.

So please, tell me how I'm supposed to feel that my team was very nearly taken away, while Phoenix is afforded every conceivable exception to keep the team there, all the while, surviving on the dime of profitable franchises.

No sir, f*ck Phoenix.
 
2013-12-09 08:46:40 PM  
In other nhl news, noted shiatbag James Neal has been suspended five games for kneeing someone in the head.
 
2013-12-09 08:47:44 PM  

Flappyhead: OK look, the Winter Classic is an awesome spectacle and it always pulls big ratings(for hockey), but putting it on in the freaking desert is going to do two things.  1) Suck any credibility it has right out  2) Turn it into a gimmick as opposed to an event.

Leave it in Canada and the northern USA.  If the fans aren't wearing hats and seeing their breath the whole atmosphere you're trying to create goes right out the window.


It stopped having credibility when the NHL let every team in the NHL host one. If the NHL was smart, it would hold one each year, instead of the 46 it will be holding this year.
 
2013-12-09 08:48:49 PM  
Meh, the Dodger Stadium game is about as farked an idea.
 
2013-12-09 08:49:06 PM  

Flappyhead: OK look, the Winter Classic is an awesome spectacle and it always pulls big ratings(for hockey), but putting it on in the freaking desert is going to do two things.  1) Suck any credibility it has right out  2) Turn it into a gimmick as opposed to an event.

Leave it in Canada and the northern USA.  If the fans aren't wearing hats and seeing their breath the whole atmosphere you're trying to create goes right out the window.


I find it odd how hard they are pushing hockey into parts of the country where nature doesn't support it.  I understand building ice skating rinks in any place we want to, but all the players come from regions that allow a kid to just grab his skates and head to the nearest lake or pond to skate till dinner time.  All pros were kids playing sports, not just on teams, but with some friends every chance they got.
 
2013-12-09 08:51:47 PM  

soopey: In other nhl news, noted shiatbag James Neal has been suspended five games for kneeing someone in the head.


Thornton had his meeting yet?
 
2013-12-09 08:54:53 PM  

sno man: soopey: In other nhl news, noted shiatbag James Neal has been suspended five games for kneeing someone in the head.

Thornton had his meeting yet?


No. I expect him to get 7 games though. Would be more if he had a track record but he's been a fairly upstanding player during his career considering his role on the team.
 
2013-12-09 08:55:42 PM  
I don't care if they have it in Phoenix or wherever. What I find ridiculous is having a half-dozen in a season.

It was great when it was a big annual event. Now they are taking an awesome thing and killing it by making it commonplace.
 
2013-12-09 09:07:09 PM  

Old Huntstein: Flappyhead: OK look, the Winter Classic is an awesome spectacle and it always pulls big ratings(for hockey), but putting it on in the freaking desert is going to do two things.  1) Suck any credibility it has right out  2) Turn it into a gimmick as opposed to an event.

Leave it in Canada and the northern USA.  If the fans aren't wearing hats and seeing their breath the whole atmosphere you're trying to create goes right out the window.

It stopped having credibility when the NHL let every team in the NHL host one. If the NHL was smart, it would hold one each year, instead of the 46 it will be holding this year.


To be fair, at least they are being held in cities where the outdoor climate accommodates it.  I probably should have said "any credibility left".
 
2013-12-09 09:22:33 PM  

Flappyhead: OK look, the Winter Classic is an awesome spectacle and it always pulls big ratings(for hockey), but putting it on in the freaking desert is going to do two things.  1) Suck any credibility it has right out  2) Turn it into a gimmick as opposed to an event.

Leave it in Canada and the northern USA.  If the fans aren't wearing hats and seeing their breath the whole atmosphere you're trying to create goes right out the window.


Bingo.

What's next, the Panthers playing on a make-shift rink on South Beach while beach volleyball players, gold-digging Central and South American whores and coke dealers converge on the "arena"?

Wait, that was 2/3rds of the scene when they played at the old Miami Arena.
 
2013-12-09 09:29:15 PM  
Let me temper my hard line rhetoric with this.

I don't hate Phoenix for no apparent reason. If Phoenix was to turn around and become a hockey hotbed with ravenous crowd support, I would love that.

However it has been almost two decades and that dream is still just that, a dream.
 
2013-12-09 09:38:59 PM  

Rev.K: Let me temper my hard line rhetoric with this.

I don't hate Phoenix for no apparent reason. If Phoenix was to turn around and become a hockey hotbed with ravenous crowd support, I would love that.

However it has been almost two decades and that dream is still just that, a dream.


They need to get the Mafia out of professional sports in Phoenix.

/then they can get the Mafia out of professional sports across the rest of the country
 
2013-12-09 09:46:52 PM  

Rev.K: Let me temper my hard line rhetoric with this.

I don't hate Phoenix for no apparent reason. If Phoenix was to turn around and become a hockey hotbed with ravenous crowd support, I would love that.

However it has been almost two decades and that dream is still just that, a dream.


All they need to turn it around is to win.

That's true anywhere.  The successful southern teams are the ones that win, or have won in the past.

If you've always sucked, except maybe for one or two pretty-good-but-not-amazing years (like Phoenix), you're not going to sell tickets.
 
2013-12-09 09:54:37 PM  

Rev.K: desertgeek: Fark you too, then. Enough that despite your LFC support, I'm done with your shiat.

Canadian fans have every right to be mad at Phoenix. The big money we shell out to attend games here get tranched up and sent to Phoenix to keep them afloat.

Only 11 years ago, the threat from Bettman was unmistakable; if the Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers don't sell 13,000 season tickets and increase advertising revenues, the franchises will be relocated. The Flames and Oilers sold enough, so the threat was ended, but it was a resounding moment in Gary Bettman's tenure that left an extremely sour taste in the mouths of many fans.

A decade later, the Phoenix Coyotes have never turned a profit and Gary Bettman is willing to appeal to Glendale City Council, on numerous occasions to be floated taxpayer money to keep the team in Phoenix. Any potential ownership changes are confronted with Bettman's demand that the team stay in Phoenix.

So please, tell me how I'm supposed to feel that my team was very nearly taken away, while Phoenix is afforded every conceivable exception to keep the team there, all the while, surviving on the dime of profitable franchises.

No sir, f*ck Phoenix.


Um, far be it from me to argue with a passionate hockey fan who has his mind made up...but wouldn't the appropriate response to that (inarguable) hypocrisy be more along the lines of "f*ck Gary Bettman and the Board of Governors?"
 
2013-12-09 10:06:29 PM  

Rev.K: desertgeek: Fark you too, then. Enough that despite your LFC support, I'm done with your shiat.

Canadian fans have every right to be mad at Phoenix. The big money we shell out to attend games here get tranched up and sent to Phoenix to keep them afloat.

Only 11 years ago, the threat from Bettman was unmistakable; if the Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers don't sell 13,000 season tickets and increase advertising revenues, the franchises will be relocated. The Flames and Oilers sold enough, so the threat was ended, but it was a resounding moment in Gary Bettman's tenure that left an extremely sour taste in the mouths of many fans.

A decade later, the Phoenix Coyotes have never turned a profit and Gary Bettman is willing to appeal to Glendale City Council, on numerous occasions to be floated taxpayer money to keep the team in Phoenix. Any potential ownership changes are confronted with Bettman's demand that the team stay in Phoenix.

So please, tell me how I'm supposed to feel that my team was very nearly taken away, while Phoenix is afforded every conceivable exception to keep the team there, all the while, surviving on the dime of profitable franchises.

No sir, f*ck Phoenix.


Here's the thing about the Coyotes.  The reason the Coyotes are in the position they're in is because the team is under NHL ownership.  The reason this happened was because Jim Basille tried to buy and move the team to Hamilton (which is in Toronto's and Buffalo's exclusion zone) without NHL permission.  If he succeeded, the NHL would have pretty much lost control over where any of the franchises were located.  This caused the NHL to take drastic actions to keep the team out of Basille's hands which had the side effect of turning it into a massive albatross stuck in Arizona.  If Basille didn't try to press his luck, the Coyotes would have probably become the Nordiques II or the Seattle Metropolitans.
 
2013-12-09 10:16:01 PM  
I'm more excited about the Red Wings-Maple Leafs alumni game than I am for the actual Winter Classic.

What is Phoenix going to do about that part?
 
2013-12-09 10:30:02 PM  

That_Dude: Rev.K: desertgeek: Fark you too, then. Enough that despite your LFC support, I'm done with your shiat.

Canadian fans have every right to be mad at Phoenix. The big money we shell out to attend games here get tranched up and sent to Phoenix to keep them afloat.

Only 11 years ago, the threat from Bettman was unmistakable; if the Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers don't sell 13,000 season tickets and increase advertising revenues, the franchises will be relocated. The Flames and Oilers sold enough, so the threat was ended, but it was a resounding moment in Gary Bettman's tenure that left an extremely sour taste in the mouths of many fans.

A decade later, the Phoenix Coyotes have never turned a profit and Gary Bettman is willing to appeal to Glendale City Council, on numerous occasions to be floated taxpayer money to keep the team in Phoenix. Any potential ownership changes are confronted with Bettman's demand that the team stay in Phoenix.

So please, tell me how I'm supposed to feel that my team was very nearly taken away, while Phoenix is afforded every conceivable exception to keep the team there, all the while, surviving on the dime of profitable franchises.

No sir, f*ck Phoenix.

Here's the thing about the Coyotes.  The reason the Coyotes are in the position they're in is because the team is under NHL ownership.  The reason this happened was because Jim Basille tried to buy and move the team to Hamilton (which is in Toronto's and Buffalo's exclusion zone) without NHL permission.  If he succeeded, the NHL would have pretty much lost control over where any of the franchises were located.  This caused the NHL to take drastic actions to keep the team out of Basille's hands which had the side effect of turning it into a massive albatross stuck in Arizona.  If Basille didn't try to press his luck, the Coyotes would have probably become the Nordiques II or the Seattle Metropolitans.



The only city more apathetic about their teams than Seattle is LA.
 
2013-12-09 10:37:40 PM  

FrancoFile: The only city more apathetic about their teams than Seattle is LA.


Just baseball.  Their football and soccer teams are well supported.  Besides, there are a few cities that are much worse that still have NHL teams and aren't a three hour drive away from Vancouver.
 
2013-12-09 10:41:14 PM  

soopey: In other nhl news, noted shiatbag James Neal has been suspended five games for kneeing someone in the head.


Too little.  Neal has a history, and his eyeline goes right to Marchand's head before he hits.  It looks worse in slo-mo replay than it was at full speed (because it looks like Neal has even more time to consider and make the decision), but there's not rational argument that will convince anybody that it wasn't a "heat-of-the-moment" deliberate action.

8-10 games, and repeat offender status if he doesn't already have it.  That's what John Scott'd be looking at if he'd done the same thing.  "Star Player Discounts" on suspensions are unacceptable.

...................

Shawn Thornton, OTOH...that's a nastier thing.  He's not a repeat offender, and from what I've seen of him play he is actually pretty much as he described himself earlier in the week - a generally honorable guy who plays a physical game.

Up until that play.

You know what Thornton's play reminded me of?  Dale Hunter hitting Pierre Turgeon after the Turgeon scored.  Or Todd Bertuzzi mugging Steve Moore.  In all cases, the player lost control - whether you want to argue it was justified or not is irrelevant - and deliberately attacked another player.  Not "hit" them.  Not "challenged and dropped the gloves."  Assaulted.  As in "if you did this to a dude outside a bar, you'd be done."  Thornton didn't just react to Orpik doing something at the moment, he skated 100 feet down the ice and jumped him.

I honestly do not believe that Thornton thought that he was going to seriously injure Orpik when he jumped him.  If he was looking to *actually* injure the guy, he would have dropped his gloves first or used his stick, or done any of a dozen other things that would have *guaranteed* serious injury.  Nonetheless, if Neal had a full second to reconsider what he was about to do, then Thornton had 4-5 times that amount to reconsider what he was about to do to Orpik.

For Thornton...he's probably going to get 8-10 game.  I feel it SHOULD be upwards of that slightly...in the 15-20 game region.  Hunter/Turgeon was 21 games, and Moore/Bertuzzi was effectively a 20 game suspension (13 regular season and 7 playoff).  Thus, since Thornton's lack of control on the ice and deliberate disregard for another player's safety when there was plenty of time to "calm down" was equivalent to those other penalized actions, having his penalty served in the same rough range is appropriate.  15 games if we're taking relative injury into account (Turgeon and Moore were hurt more than Orpik), 20 games if not.

The lesson ought to be: DON'T DO THAT SH*T.  Unfortunately, it's unlikely the league will come down on him hard enough for this to be a deterrent.
 
2013-12-09 10:44:31 PM  

That_Dude: FrancoFile: The only city more apathetic about their teams than Seattle is LA.

Just baseball.  Their football and soccer teams are well supported.  Besides, there are a few cities that are much worse that still have NHL teams and aren't a three hour drive away from Vancouver.


And basketball...
 
2013-12-09 10:46:49 PM  

Rev.K: desertgeek: Fark you too, then. Enough that despite your LFC support, I'm done with your shiat.

Canadian fans have every right to be mad at Phoenix. The big money we shell out to attend games here get tranched up and sent to Phoenix to keep them afloat.

Only 11 years ago, the threat from Bettman was unmistakable; if the Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers don't sell 13,000 season tickets and increase advertising revenues, the franchises will be relocated. The Flames and Oilers sold enough, so the threat was ended, but it was a resounding moment in Gary Bettman's tenure that left an extremely sour taste in the mouths of many fans.

A decade later, the Phoenix Coyotes have never turned a profit and Gary Bettman is willing to appeal to Glendale City Council, on numerous occasions to be floated taxpayer money to keep the team in Phoenix. Any potential ownership changes are confronted with Bettman's demand that the team stay in Phoenix.

So please, tell me how I'm supposed to feel that my team was very nearly taken away, while Phoenix is afforded every conceivable exception to keep the team there, all the while, surviving on the dime of profitable franchises.

No sir, f*ck Phoenix.


The coyotes should be in Quebec City right now
 
2013-12-09 10:51:44 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I don't care if they have it in Phoenix or wherever. What I find ridiculous is having a half-dozen in a season.

It was great when it was a big annual event. Now they are taking an awesome thing and killing it by making it commonplace.


We agree on that. Winter Classic and Heritage Classic is enough. I don't totally object to having 1 outdoor game in NYC during Super Bowl week next month, but 3 total as far as I would've gone.
 
2013-12-09 10:52:58 PM  

FightDirector: Um, far be it from me to argue with a passionate hockey fan who has his mind made up...but wouldn't the appropriate response to that (inarguable) hypocrisy be more along the lines of "f*ck Gary Bettman and the Board of Governors?"


Yes, that would be more accurate.
 
2013-12-09 10:57:31 PM  
FightDirector:

Excellent breakdown.  What's really going to hamper things with Thornton, oddly enough, is the lack of media exposure.  Turgeon and Moore both got a lot of press(Moore the most obviously), as did McSorley on Brashear which pretty much forced the NHLs hand.  I'm seeing around ten games for Thornton, but like you said it really should be near or at 20.  The NHL has needed to get proactive with it's suspensions for years now but just like every other time it's a reaction to PR more than anything else that tends to determine suspension lengths.
 
2013-12-09 10:58:09 PM  

That_Dude: Here's the thing about the Coyotes.  The reason the Coyotes are in the position they're in is because the team is under NHL ownership.  The reason this happened was because Jim Basille tried to buy and move the team to Hamilton (which is in Toronto's and Buffalo's exclusion zone) without NHL permission.  If he succeeded, the NHL would have pretty much lost control over where any of the franchises were located.  This caused the NHL to take drastic actions to keep the team out of Basille's hands which had the side effect of turning it into a massive albatross stuck in Arizona.  If Basille didn't try to press his luck, the Coyotes would have probably become the Nordiques II or the Seattle Metropolitans.


Except for the 2nd sentence (they were sold to a group of businessmen over the summer), you've hit everything perfectly. The NHL didn't want to own the Coyotes. They were forced to in order to keep their right to control the location of franchises. If the bankruptcy court let Jimmy Silly Balls move the team over the objections of the League; what would have stopped the owners of the Flames from skipping Calgary after the flooding this summer for, let's say Seattle? Nothing in American law, that's for sure.

And at the end of the day, the other owners supported the move and Bettman works for the owners.

/I've met one of the owners, he's cool.
 
2013-12-09 11:05:45 PM  
Well with the technology we have there would be coolers that would make sure the ice stays that cold. It could work. I believe they had an outdoor preseason game in Las Vegas in the early 1990s but I am not sure.
 
2013-12-09 11:05:48 PM  
Hockey is on the wrong side of the Valley.  It should at least be in downtown Phoenix with more transportation options.  A number of the players live (and a training facility is) in Scottsdale.  If you are a hockey fan in Mesa or Gilbert, you are screwed.
 
2013-12-09 11:08:42 PM  

FightDirector: soopey: In other nhl news, noted shiatbag James Neal has been suspended five games for kneeing someone in the head.

Too little.  Neal has a history, and his eyeline goes right to Marchand's head before he hits.  It looks worse in slo-mo replay than it was at full speed (because it looks like Neal has even more time to consider and make the decision), but there's not rational argument that will convince anybody that it wasn't a "heat-of-the-moment" deliberate action.

8-10 games, and repeat offender status if he doesn't already have it.  That's what John Scott'd be looking at if he'd done the same thing.  "Star Player Discounts" on suspensions are unacceptable.

...................

Shawn Thornton, OTOH...that's a nastier thing.  He's not a repeat offender, and from what I've seen of him play he is actually pretty much as he described himself earlier in the week - a generally honorable guy who plays a physical game.

Up until that play.

You know what Thornton's play reminded me of?  Dale Hunter hitting Pierre Turgeon after the Turgeon scored.  Or Todd Bertuzzi mugging Steve Moore.  In all cases, the player lost control - whether you want to argue it was justified or not is irrelevant - and deliberately attacked another player.  Not "hit" them.  Not "challenged and dropped the gloves."  Assaulted.  As in "if you did this to a dude outside a bar, you'd be done."  Thornton didn't just react to Orpik doing something at the moment, he skated 100 feet down the ice and jumped him.

I honestly do not believe that Thornton thought that he was going to seriously injure Orpik when he jumped him.  If he was looking to *actually* injure the guy, he would have dropped his gloves first or used his stick, or done any of a dozen other things that would have *guaranteed* serious injury.  Nonetheless, if Neal had a full second to reconsider what he was about to do, then Thornton had 4-5 times that amount to reconsider what he was about to do to Orpik.

For Thornton...he's probably go ...


Remind me what your team is so I can favorite you properly after that post. It's a great breakdown. I can't say I fully object to 5 games as it was on the low end of what I would've given (I was thinking 5-8), but I can't argue with your points.

As for Thornton... yes, he's expressed regret for his actions. But a message has to be sent there. It was excessively violent and unnecessary. I would go at least 20 games for that and explicitly state that any player who does anything of that nature in the future will be subject to harsher punishment than that, regardless of history or cause for their actions. That shiat needs to be eradicated from the sport.
 
2013-12-09 11:12:48 PM  

Infobahn: Hockey is on the wrong side of the Valley.  It should at least be in downtown Phoenix with more transportation options.  A number of the players live (and a training facility is) in Scottsdale.  If you are a hockey fan in Mesa or Gilbert, you are screwed.


Even though I'm a West Valley resident, I agree with this. I did a thing 2 or 3 years ago in a playoff thread where I measured the distances from Downtown Phoenix to the Glendale arena and from downtown to the originally planned arena location in south Scottsdale. Scottsdale was 5-10 minutes closer than Glendale. And that's despite the possible need to take more city streets to Scottsdale's spot than Glendale's location, which is right next to a freeway.
 
2013-12-09 11:13:28 PM  

That_Dude: Rev.K: desertgeek: Fark you too, then. Enough that despite your LFC support, I'm done with your shiat.

Canadian fans have every right to be mad at Phoenix. The big money we shell out to attend games here get tranched up and sent to Phoenix to keep them afloat.

Only 11 years ago, the threat from Bettman was unmistakable; if the Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers don't sell 13,000 season tickets and increase advertising revenues, the franchises will be relocated. The Flames and Oilers sold enough, so the threat was ended, but it was a resounding moment in Gary Bettman's tenure that left an extremely sour taste in the mouths of many fans.

A decade later, the Phoenix Coyotes have never turned a profit and Gary Bettman is willing to appeal to Glendale City Council, on numerous occasions to be floated taxpayer money to keep the team in Phoenix. Any potential ownership changes are confronted with Bettman's demand that the team stay in Phoenix.

So please, tell me how I'm supposed to feel that my team was very nearly taken away, while Phoenix is afforded every conceivable exception to keep the team there, all the while, surviving on the dime of profitable franchises.

No sir, f*ck Phoenix.

Here's the thing about the Coyotes.  The reason the Coyotes are in the position they're in is because the team is under NHL ownership.  The reason this happened was because Jim Basille tried to buy and move the team to Hamilton (which is in Toronto's and Buffalo's exclusion zone) without NHL permission.  If he succeeded, the NHL would have pretty much lost control over where any of the franchises were located.  This caused the NHL to take drastic actions to keep the team out of Basille's hands which had the side effect of turning it into a massive albatross stuck in Arizona.  If Basille didn't try to press his luck, the Coyotes would have probably become the Nordiques II or the Seattle Metropolitans.


According to the Trailblazers Paul Allen was willing to open his checkbook to bring the to Portland. The NHL wasn't budging.
 
2013-12-09 11:21:33 PM  
as someone who understands it gets below freezing in the desert in the winter, I'm getting a kick out of people who think it's not feasible.
 
2013-12-09 11:35:38 PM  

Cheeseface: as someone who understands it gets below freezing in the desert in the winter, I'm getting a kick out of people who think it's not feasible.


While you are correct, any game is going to be in the city and subject to the heat island effect.  I think it will work, but the city is lower and warmer.
 
2013-12-10 12:17:31 AM  

Infobahn: Cheeseface: as someone who understands it gets below freezing in the desert in the winter, I'm getting a kick out of people who think it's not feasible.

While you are correct, any game is going to be in the city and subject to the heat island effect.  I think it will work, but the city is lower and warmer.


Not necessarily. From what I'm reading tonight, the concept is to have the game during Super Bowl week since the game will be in Arizona in 2015 (so, basically repeating what they're doing in NYC next month). If someone else had heard that already, I'm sorry because I hadn't.

Now, following that idea; that rules the Cardinals stadium out for obvious reasons. That would lead to the game being played at Chase Field in downtown Phoenix, where the Diamondbacks play. This makes sense for a couple of reasons:

1) The Dbacks and Coyotes have developed a really good relationship over time. The baseball team vocally backed the Coyotes during their playoff run in 2012. The new owners were guests of the Dbacks when everything was wrapped up this summer. The Coyotes will even be honoring the Dbacks 1st baseman before this Saturday's game. The two organizations really support each other so it would make sense for them to work together to pull this off.

2) Chase Field has a really good AC system so if they need to cool things down, there's a chance they could pull it off.

3) In the event of inclement weather, there's a retractable roof.

4) It's centrally located.

Again, do I think this concept is feasible? No, I don't. But I do applaud the thought being put in to building the Coyotes up by the new ownership. They've been running the team for 4 months and they've already put more effort into promoting the team than any of the previous owners had since they've been here.
 
2013-12-10 01:04:36 AM  

Polartank13: Well that's just about as crazy as having an outdoor game in Las Vegas...ohhh wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgQtNJWI-RI


They can have that again any time this week and it'll work.

/high today was 29
//I saw my breath for the first time in years

That_Dude: Rev.K: desertgeek: Fark you too, then. Enough that despite your LFC support, I'm done with your shiat.

Canadian fans have every right to be mad at Phoenix. The big money we shell out to attend games here get tranched up and sent to Phoenix to keep them afloat.

Only 11 years ago, the threat from Bettman was unmistakable; if the Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers don't sell 13,000 season tickets and increase advertising revenues, the franchises will be relocated. The Flames and Oilers sold enough, so the threat was ended, but it was a resounding moment in Gary Bettman's tenure that left an extremely sour taste in the mouths of many fans.

A decade later, the Phoenix Coyotes have never turned a profit and Gary Bettman is willing to appeal to Glendale City Council, on numerous occasions to be floated taxpayer money to keep the team in Phoenix. Any potential ownership changes are confronted with Bettman's demand that the team stay in Phoenix.

So please, tell me how I'm supposed to feel that my team was very nearly taken away, while Phoenix is afforded every conceivable exception to keep the team there, all the while, surviving on the dime of profitable franchises.

No sir, f*ck Phoenix.

Here's the thing about the Coyotes.  The reason the Coyotes are in the position they're in is because the team is under NHL ownership.  The reason this happened was because Jim Basille tried to buy and move the team to Hamilton (which is in Toronto's and Buffalo's exclusion zone) without NHL permission.  If he succeeded, the NHL would have pretty much lost control over where any of the franchises were located.  This caused the NHL to take drastic actions to keep the team out of Basille's hands which had the side effect of turning it into a massive albatross stuck in Arizona.  If Basille didn't try to press his luck, the Coyotes would have probably become the Nordiques II or the Seattle Metropolitans.


Don't forget that before the team went into bankruptcy, the previous owner was having the team pay millions in sketchy management fees to shell corporations that he owned, the had the balls to say that that money was business losses.

lack of warmth: Flappyhead: OK look, the Winter Classic is an awesome spectacle and it always pulls big ratings(for hockey), but putting it on in the freaking desert is going to do two things.  1) Suck any credibility it has right out  2) Turn it into a gimmick as opposed to an event.

Leave it in Canada and the northern USA.  If the fans aren't wearing hats and seeing their breath the whole atmosphere you're trying to create goes right out the window.

I find it odd how hard they are pushing hockey into parts of the country where nature doesn't support it.  I understand building ice skating rinks in any place we want to, but all the players come from regions that allow a kid to just grab his skates and head to the nearest lake or pond to skate till dinner time.  All pros were kids playing sports, not just on teams, but with some friends every chance they got.


Obviously, you haven't been paying attention to the growth of registered hockey players in the United States, and where more and more college, junior and pro scouts have been visiting in the last decade.
 
2013-12-10 01:10:05 AM  

Cheeseface: as someone who understands it gets below freezing in the desert in the winter, I'm getting a kick out of people who think it's not feasible.


I'm in Kingman, and it's 24 degrees right now, and was 13 two nights ago. Not Minnesota cold, but cold enough.
 
2013-12-10 01:11:26 AM  
Hockey without ice? I think they call it soccer.
 
2013-12-10 01:14:17 AM  

Oldiron_79: Hockey without ice? I think they call it soccer.


Field hockey.
 
2013-12-10 01:27:06 AM  

desertgeek: As for Thornton... yes, he's expressed regret for his actions. But a message has to be sent there. It was excessively violent and unnecessary. I would go at least 20 games for that and explicitly state that any player who does anything of that nature in the future will be subject to harsher punishment than that, regardless of history or cause for their actions. That shiat needs to be eradicated from the sport.


To me, there's a big, big difference between a dirty hit during play and a dirty hit during a stoppage, especially if the guy doesn't know you're coming.

As a Pens fan who has never seen the Pens, will finally get to see them in a week, and really likes Brooks Orpik, god farking dammit.
 
2013-12-10 01:28:56 AM  
I guess I'm kind of neutral on stunts like this. Sure, it's a travesty, but it highlights the larger travesty of playing hockey in places where a cup of water on the ground is more likely to start boiling than freezing.

Meanwhile, if the NHL were serious about the game and its fans (spoiler: it's not), they'd do this more than once in a blue moon in the places where it's still theoretically possible to learn to play hockey on a pond. In fact, they should do this on a weekly basis wherever the temperature occasionally dips below freezing, and make  playing on an actual pond the big annual special event. Of course, these days that means playing at a neutral site a hundred miles north of Yellowknife, unless you want the players to drown, but hey.
 
2013-12-10 01:36:10 AM  

FrancoFile: The only city more apathetic about their teams than Seattle is LA.


They're apathetic about the Clippers and the "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" (whatever the fark that is supposed to mean). I would be too. But the Lakers and the Dodgers have respectably committed fans.
 
2013-12-10 01:40:58 AM  

FrancoFile: The only city more apathetic about their teams than Seattle is LA.


The Dodgers and Angels draw over 3million a year(puts both in the top 10).
The Kings sell out every game.
The Ducks average 90+% capacity over the past decade, as well as having a long home sellout streak in the mid 00's.
The Lakers and Clippers sell out every game.
The Galaxy have the 2nd highest average attendance in the league.

Only Chivas does poorly in this market.  The Rams and Raiders did poorly because of the worst owners in sports owning the team, just like what happened to McCourt.
 
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