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(CBS4Denver - KCNC)   Denver police forbidden to moonlight at pot shops, even if they don't inhale   (denver.cbslocal.com) divider line 50
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-09 03:58:29 PM  
"There's absolutely no logical reason why we wouldn't let police officers who are able to work off-duty in bars and in liquor stores simply work at a retail marijuana stores to keep people safe," said Tvert.

Tvert has a misspelled name and a poor imagination. An armed guard for a pot shop is committing the federal crime of using a gun to aid a drug distribution conspiracy.
 
2013-12-09 04:11:41 PM  
www.morethings.com
Don't want them turning into lizards.
 
2013-12-09 04:18:20 PM  
Denver PD just doesn't want to deal with the inevitable pissing match when the Feds swoop in a for a random bust at one of these places...
 
2013-12-09 04:36:58 PM  
Until we get the Federal laws in line with state laws, I don't think police anywhere will be able to work in weed shops.
 
2013-12-09 04:44:51 PM  
They can still be bouncers in tittie bars, right?
 
2013-12-09 05:06:29 PM  
Shaking them down for bribes is still okay, right?
 
2013-12-09 05:07:01 PM  

Gonz: Until we get the Federal laws in line with state laws, I don't think police anywhere will be able to work in weed shops.


Yeah... I'm all in favor of legalization, but this rule doesn't seem unreasonable given the disconnect between federal and state law.
 
2013-12-09 05:09:43 PM  
I suspect that Visa/MC/Disc/AE will not allow the use of their cards for weed sales either, so these retail outlets will be high-volume cash-only businesses with no police protection.

I predict the first wave of armed robberies by tweakers and crackheads will take place approximately 5 minutes before closing on the first day they are in business. Eventually someone will get shot and then the conservatards will point and scream about how legal drug sales caused an increase in violent crime.
 
2013-12-09 05:17:38 PM  

North_Central_Positronics: Denver PD just doesn't want to deal with the inevitable pissing match when the Feds swoop in a for a random bust at one of these places...


Yeah this
 
2013-12-09 05:20:31 PM  

soundguy: I suspect that Visa/MC/Disc/AE will not allow the use of their cards for weed sales either, so these retail outlets will be high-volume cash-only businesses with no police protection.

I predict the first wave of armed robberies by tweakers and crackheads will take place approximately 5 minutes before closing on the first day they are in business. Eventually someone will get shot and then the conservatards will point and scream about how legal drug sales caused an increase in violent crime.


Which is technically correct, the best kind of correct.
 
2013-12-09 05:26:14 PM  

soundguy: I suspect that Visa/MC/Disc/AE will not allow the use of their cards for weed sales either, so these retail outlets will be high-volume cash-only businesses with no police protection.

I predict the first wave of armed robberies by tweakers and crackheads will take place approximately 5 minutes before closing on the first day they are in business. Eventually someone will get shot and then the conservatards will point and scream about how legal drug sales caused an increase in violent crime.


True on your first paragraph, not so true on the second. Here in Colorado, the vast majority of Medical MJ shops have significantly more security than a liquor store. Controlled access requiring ID being the most obvious security feature. We will see how it works out, but they are hardly the only 'cash-heavy' business around.
 
2013-12-09 05:30:27 PM  
Pot Shop Boys - West End Girls.
 
2013-12-09 05:31:29 PM  

Glendale: Which is technically correct, the best kind of correct.


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2013-12-09 05:38:55 PM  

North_Central_Positronics: Denver PD just doesn't want to deal with the inevitable pissing match when the Feds swoop in a for a random bust at one of these places...


Are people allowed to smoke in these shops? Second-hand smoke might make a cop fail a drug test, which is an automatic firin' in most places.
 
2013-12-09 05:41:17 PM  
I was hoping for some DEA vs. rent a cop shootouts.  Nothing like that to help fed and police interdepartmental cooperation.
 
2013-12-09 05:43:53 PM  
business Idea:

cyber cafe with police guards and a cash to bitcoin currency conversion, then use the computers to transfer your bitcoins to the dispensery to buy your herbs, heb venders then sell bitcoins for cash.

no police presence or firearms needed to protect funds for marijuana buying and it helps bitcoin return from this funk where it has become a high risk speculative investment instead of it's original purpose of using computers to buy drugs.
 
2013-12-09 05:50:22 PM  
hire Pinkerton's or Blackwater
 
2013-12-09 05:52:21 PM  
But.....but.... I know everything about T-Fal!
 
2013-12-09 06:02:59 PM  
Man trap with a metal detector, and arm your employees.

That's only like my opinion, man.
 
2013-12-09 06:03:25 PM  
There are minds being blown as we speak.
This is gonna be so cool to watch.

Just wait until they find out that "Obamacare" is going to pay for medical marijuana.
Wwaahaa wwhaahaa.
Lordy, I can hardly wait.
 
2013-12-09 06:04:05 PM  
Oh, yea, Thanks Obama!
 
2013-12-09 06:08:56 PM  
Things To Do In Denver When You're In A Headshop.

/Boat joints.
 
2013-12-09 06:12:04 PM  

Hobodeluxe: hire Pinkerton's or Blackwater


Blackwater only works for opium.
 
2013-12-09 06:19:28 PM  

soundguy: I predict the first wave of armed robberies by tweakers and crackheads will take place approximately 5 minutes before closing on the first day they are in business.


You do realize that it is possible to hire guards who are not Denver cops?
 
2013-12-09 06:19:29 PM  

snocone: Just wait until they find out that "Obamacare" is going to pay for medical marijuana.



Jebus. That would be some master level trollery right there.
 
2013-12-09 06:22:16 PM  

Lehk: business Idea:

cyber cafe with police guards and a cash to bitcoin currency conversion, then use the computers to transfer your bitcoins to the dispensery to buy your herbs, heb venders then sell bitcoins for cash.

no police presence or firearms needed to protect funds for marijuana buying and it helps bitcoin return from this funk where it has become a high risk speculative investment instead of it's original purpose of using computers to buy drugs.


Stop trying to make bitcoin happen.
 
2013-12-09 06:22:40 PM  

SkorzenyNinja: snocone: Just wait until they find out that "Obamacare" is going to pay for medical marijuana.


Jebus. That would be some master level trollery right there.


Yep. The american public will never accept schedule one drugs with psychoactive effects derived from plants being paid for with health Insurance dollars. Oh wait a minute...
 
2013-12-09 06:26:13 PM  

soundguy: I suspect that Visa/MC/Disc/AE will not allow the use of their cards for weed sales either, so these retail outlets will be high-volume cash-only businesses with no police protection.

I predict the first wave of armed robberies by tweakers and crackheads will take place approximately 5 minutes before closing on the first day they are in business. Eventually someone will get shot and then the conservatards will point and scream about how legal drug sales caused an increase in violent crime.


In Seattle they get around it by having ATM's on site at the medical mmj places. They ring you up as normal and just round up to the next five dollar amount, you enter your PIN and give you a couple bucks back from your 'atm' withdrawal - I see no reason why they couldn't do the same in this case. Frankly, not allowing people to buy weed with credit is probably not the worst thing in the world. The whole things is stupid to begin with but here we are.
 
2013-12-09 06:30:52 PM  

snocone: Just wait until they find out that "Obamacare" is going to pay for medical marijuana.


Oh, and "obamacare" is not a thing that pays for things. Obamacare is a thing that requires people to get health insurance and sets standards for said insurance requirements. So it would be the insurance company that would pay for, or not, the medical marijuana. I'm thinking this might not play out in as entertaining a fashion as you might like. "Regence  (or Kaiser or Us Heathworks, etc. ) includes or does not include medical marijuana" on their RX plan just isn't quite so exciting.
 
2013-12-09 06:32:22 PM  

Molavian: Man trap with a metal detector, and arm your employees.

That's only like my opinion, man.


Charles, why have we got that cage?
 
2013-12-09 06:34:35 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: soundguy: I predict the first wave of armed robberies by tweakers and crackheads will take place approximately 5 minutes before closing on the first day they are in business.

You do realize that it is possible to hire guards who are not Denver cops?


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Hiring mall cops doesn't come with the same fringe benefits.

Years ago when I was a utility lineman working in New England, we were doing a small-town job in a state that doesn't allow civilian flaggers on road projects. You had to use off-duty LE. Since that was a double-time gig for them, they'd go out of their way to protect their revenue stream. For instance, if you happened to get caught "bending" the law on Saturday night, you were more likely to get escorted home with a hearty "See you on Monday" than to a jail cell with a "you have the right to remain silent...".
 
2013-12-09 06:47:07 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Frankly, not allowing people to buy weed with credit is probably not the worst thing in the world.


That's remarkably bright. You must not smoke weed. Or buy from Rent-A-Center.
 
2013-12-09 06:48:37 PM  

JohnBigBootay: soundguy: I suspect that Visa/MC/Disc/AE will not allow the use of their cards for weed sales either, so these retail outlets will be high-volume cash-only businesses with no police protection.

I predict the first wave of armed robberies by tweakers and crackheads will take place approximately 5 minutes before closing on the first day they are in business. Eventually someone will get shot and then the conservatards will point and scream about how legal drug sales caused an increase in violent crime.

In Seattle they get around it by having ATM's on site at the medical mmj places. They ring you up as normal and just round up to the next five dollar amount, you enter your PIN and give you a couple bucks back from your 'atm' withdrawal - I see no reason why they couldn't do the same in this case. Frankly, not allowing people to buy weed with credit is probably not the worst thing in the world. The whole things is stupid to begin with but here we are.


Quite a few have that in Colorado as well. Most still operate cash only though, which is a total bummer man
 
2013-12-09 06:50:08 PM  

wildcardjack: JohnBigBootay: Frankly, not allowing people to buy weed with credit is probably not the worst thing in the world.

That's remarkably bright. You must not smoke weed. Or buy from Rent-A-Center.


I do not go to rent-a-center at all. And it was a joke. A for credit you could really just add anything in the blank where I used 'weed' and I'd probably be on board for just about anything except for houses, cars, tuition, and medical expenses.
 
2013-12-09 06:52:57 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Quite a few have that in Colorado as well. Most still operate cash only though, which is a total bummer man


It's still in its infancy. The money is coming, and with it will be the owners of the means of production figuring out ways for you to be able to spend more of it in more convenient ways. Two or three years out and we will find it odd that you used to have to pay cash. Because you'll be buying weed with an app on your phone like you pay for everything else by then.
 
2013-12-09 06:56:33 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Communist_Manifesto: Quite a few have that in Colorado as well. Most still operate cash only though, which is a total bummer man

It's still in its infancy. The money is coming, and with it will be the owners of the means of production figuring out ways for you to be able to spend more of it in more convenient ways. Two or three years out and we will find it odd that you used to have to pay cash. Because you'll be buying weed with an app on your phone like you pay for everything else by then.


I already felt that way. For a couple of years the dispensaries let me use my debit card until Visa got their panties in a bunch. I agree that in a couple years the cash only thing is going to be a thing of the past. A weird and awesome time to be alive it is
 
2013-12-09 06:57:04 PM  
Will Colorado Quest cards be accepted at the pot shops?
 
2013-12-09 07:06:50 PM  
Wonder what the Police Union has to say about this.
 
2013-12-09 07:20:21 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Gonz: Until we get the Federal laws in line with state laws, I don't think police anywhere will be able to work in weed shops.

Yeah... I'm all in favor of legalization, but this rule doesn't seem unreasonable given the disconnect between federal and state law.


The issue for me is now they've just sent out an advertisement that all the dispensaries and place that sell pot are gonna be easy marks for robberies, since there's no chance of an off-duty cop being there... criminals now know the most they'll face is some low rent security dude who couldn't make it on any police force.
 
2013-12-09 07:21:11 PM  

soundguy: we were doing a small-town job in a state that doesn't allow civilian flaggers on road projects. You had to use off-duty LE


WTF?

Seriously.  WTF?
 
2013-12-09 07:22:48 PM  

JohnBigBootay: soundguy: I suspect that Visa/MC/Disc/AE will not allow the use of their cards for weed sales either, so these retail outlets will be high-volume cash-only businesses with no police protection.

I predict the first wave of armed robberies by tweakers and crackheads will take place approximately 5 minutes before closing on the first day they are in business. Eventually someone will get shot and then the conservatards will point and scream about how legal drug sales caused an increase in violent crime.

In Seattle they get around it by having ATM's on site at the medical mmj places. They ring you up as normal and just round up to the next five dollar amount, you enter your PIN and give you a couple bucks back from your 'atm' withdrawal - I see no reason why they couldn't do the same in this case. Frankly, not allowing people to buy weed with credit is probably not the worst thing in the world. The whole things is stupid to begin with but here we are.



I don't carry cash for much of anything... but right now, the Denver Police have just told criminals that all these cash-heavy (no credit accepted) places with pot are gonna have minimal security, at most a rental security guy who couldn't cut it as a cop... they're setting these places up to get robbed, then when they get robbed, they're gonna say the pot is the problem
 
2013-12-09 07:26:25 PM  
Amazing. Colorado voters made this part of the state constitution.  The minority can't STFU. Yes, I am a Coloradoan born and bred.
 
2013-12-09 07:37:59 PM  

JohnBigBootay: snocone: Just wait until they find out that "Obamacare" is going to pay for medical marijuana.

Oh, and "obamacare" is not a thing that pays for things. Obamacare is a thing that requires people to get health insurance and sets standards for said insurance requirements. So it would be the insurance company that would pay for, or not, the medical marijuana. I'm thinking this might not play out in as entertaining a fashion as you might like. "Regence  (or Kaiser or Us Heathworks, etc. ) includes or does not include medical marijuana" on their RX plan just isn't quite so exciting.


Just a sec, I think you need a Snickers.
You are not you when your humor button sticks.
 
2013-12-09 07:44:02 PM  

BlackMtnMan: Amazing. Colorado voters made this part of the state constitution.  The minority can't STFU. Yes, I am a Coloradoan born and bred.


The "conservatives" are doing their best to increase crime, regulate what people can do in their own homes if the curtains aren't drawn, and on their own porches... they still can't get over the fact they lost the amendment vote and Coloradans are tired of this bs.
 
2013-12-09 07:54:08 PM  

firefly212: BlackMtnMan: Amazing. Colorado voters made this part of the state constitution.  The minority can't STFU. Yes, I am a Coloradoan born and bred.

The "conservatives" are doing their best to increase crime, regulate what people can do in their own homes if the curtains aren't drawn, and on their own porches... they still can't get over the fact they lost the amendment vote and Coloradans are tired of this bs.


They never will "get it".
Lost farking cause.
So we should invite ALL of them out of our politics.
Same way you deal with spoiled infants.
 
2013-12-09 08:00:32 PM  

ZAZ: An armed guard for a pot shop is committing the federal crime of using a gun to aid a drug distribution conspiracy.


That's probably a valid point regarding fed laws, which we do still have to keep in mind.  How about a private security guard with a taser?  Or just a big bad assed looking mofo (envision bouncer at a titty bar)?  Guards don't necessarily need to be police armed with guns, do they?

I'm no law talking dude, and I'm pretty lazy tonight, so I honestly don't know what the legalities would be there.
 
2013-12-09 08:03:02 PM  

firefly212: BlackMtnMan: Amazing. Colorado voters made this part of the state constitution.  The minority can't STFU. Yes, I am a Coloradoan born and bred.

The "conservatives" are doing their best to increase crime, regulate what people can do in their own homes if the curtains aren't drawn, and on their own porches... they still can't get over the fact they lost the amendment vote and Coloradans are tired of this bs.


Sorry. I deal with employee benefits at work so I have an obamacare pet peeve.

Anyway, on the security and cash thing it may be state governments involved but I'm pretty sure even those guys know how to use drop safes and put up signs saying there is only $100 in the register just like 7-11.
 
2013-12-09 09:02:32 PM  

dv-ous: Lehk: business Idea:

cyber cafe with police guards and a cash to bitcoin currency conversion, then use the computers to transfer your bitcoins to the dispensery to buy your herbs, heb venders then sell bitcoins for cash.

no police presence or firearms needed to protect funds for marijuana buying and it helps bitcoin return from this funk where it has become a high risk speculative investment instead of it's original purpose of using computers to buy drugs.

Stop trying to make bitcoin happen.


Sounds like a decent* idea to me.  Also, bitcoin is happening -- it doesn't need promoters.

*IANAL but it's probably illegal somehow
 
2013-12-09 09:54:23 PM  
Someone came up behind me at a local dispensary.  I turned around, it was a Lakewood cop.

/with a big grin on his face
 
2013-12-10 12:44:27 AM  

JohnBigBootay: firefly212: BlackMtnMan: Amazing. Colorado voters made this part of the state constitution.  The minority can't STFU. Yes, I am a Coloradoan born and bred.

The "conservatives" are doing their best to increase crime, regulate what people can do in their own homes if the curtains aren't drawn, and on their own porches... they still can't get over the fact they lost the amendment vote and Coloradans are tired of this bs.

Sorry. I deal with employee benefits at work so I have an obamacare pet peeve.

Anyway, on the security and cash thing it may be state governments involved but I'm pretty sure even those guys know how to use drop safes and put up signs saying there is only $100 in the register just like 7-11.



True, but it must be admitted I think, this is quite a new thing in the USA, and growing pains will happen. Also I'm a conservative who supported the law.
 
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