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(NewsOK)   Man who took the 5th in his now-sealed divorce proceedings, claiming that answering his wife's questions would require him to admit to a crime, is now very upset that the media is seeking to unseal those records now that he's running for mayor   (newsok.com) divider line 33
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2013-12-09 04:49:28 PM  
Well, unless he is a murderer, 7 years is usually long enough for most statues of limitations to run out.  If the statute of limitations has indeed run out and he is no longer under threat of prosecution, there is no longer a need for 5th amendment protection.

Release them!
 
2013-12-09 04:53:22 PM  
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One look at that face and I know it must be bad.
 
2013-12-09 05:23:03 PM  
I bet his crime was marrying that biatch of a wife, amriteguys?

/this thing on?
 
2013-12-09 05:25:44 PM  
FTFA: Shadid is opposing the release of his divorce records at the same time he is promising voters in a campaign letter that he will stand strong for "absolute transparency and accountability in government" if elected mayor next year.

Having demonstrated the ability to talk out of both sides of his face at the same time, I predict he will win in a landslide.
 
2013-12-09 05:26:26 PM  
Sounds like a pretty Shadid character.
 
2013-12-09 05:29:04 PM  

haemaker: Well, unless he is a murderer, 7 years is usually long enough for most statues of limitations to run out.  If the statute of limitations has indeed run out and he is no longer under threat of prosecution, there is no longer a need for 5th amendment protection.

Release them!


RELEASE THE KRAKEN DOCUMENTS!
 
2013-12-09 05:30:24 PM  
The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.

Divorce is a criminal case now?
 
2013-12-09 05:33:28 PM  

fusillade762: The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.

Divorce is a criminal case now?


No, but you can take the 5th in a civil matter, but not with the same level of protections. People can infer something from you invoking it in a civil case, but not in a criminal case.
 
2013-12-09 05:41:50 PM  
It's too bad.  Shadid is a great guy and the only one sticking it to the old boy Chamber of Commerce cronies.
 
2013-12-09 05:57:38 PM  
Isn't it enough that this poor man has had to overcome a crippling addiction to marijuana to get where he is today?
 
2013-12-09 06:00:22 PM  
Before reading the article I am guessing... republican.
 
2013-12-09 06:06:44 PM  

the_innkeeper: fusillade762: The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.

Divorce is a criminal case now?

No, but you can take the 5th in a civil matter, but not with the same level of protections. People can infer something from you invoking it in a civil case, but not in a criminal case.


Also, I believe transcripts of sworn testimony in civil cases can be used in criminal cases.
 
2013-12-09 06:10:27 PM  
I doubt these records can be legally compelled to be unsealed, any more than anyone was able to subpoena Mitt Romney's tax returns in the 2012 presidential race. Voters can draw their own conclusions as to whether the information would be relevant to their voting decision if it were released, why Shadid refuses to release the information voluntarily, and (if they consider it irrelevant) why his opponents are so keen to pressure him to release it.
 
2013-12-09 06:10:43 PM  
You know who else won't release their records?
 
2013-12-09 06:12:59 PM  

Mithiwithi: I doubt these records can be legally compelled to be unsealed, any more than anyone was able to subpoena Mitt Romney's tax returns in the 2012 presidential race. Voters can draw their own conclusions as to whether the information would be relevant to their voting decision if it were released, why Shadid refuses to release the information voluntarily, and (if they consider it irrelevant) why his opponents are so keen to pressure him to release it.


Well, the difference here is that these records are usually public and it is odd to have them sealed, where tax records are usually private.

I imagine they contain the long form of his birth certificate.
 
2013-12-09 06:15:42 PM  

haemaker: Mithiwithi: I doubt these records can be legally compelled to be unsealed, any more than anyone was able to subpoena Mitt Romney's tax returns in the 2012 presidential race. Voters can draw their own conclusions as to whether the information would be relevant to their voting decision if it were released, why Shadid refuses to release the information voluntarily, and (if they consider it irrelevant) why his opponents are so keen to pressure him to release it.

Well, the difference here is that these records are usually public and it is odd to have them sealed, where tax records are usually private.

I imagine they contain the long form of his birth certificate.


Probably along the lines of

"We did coke together occasionally when we were first married.  Then she was using all the time and became a biatch."
 
2013-12-09 06:20:22 PM  
Non-story. Next. I know it's not news, it's Fark, but come on. It's not even funny.
 
2013-12-09 06:30:38 PM  
It can't be any worse than what Scott desJarlais disclosed in his divorce, and it didn't stop the dimwits in the 4th Tennessee Congressional District from electing him in a landslide.
 
2013-12-09 06:43:39 PM  
I'm going to guess, "Wife caught him in bed with 17 year old niece/nephew".
 
2013-12-09 06:43:46 PM  
The only thing that insisting the records remain sealed will accomplish is to convince the media that you have something to hide.
 
2013-12-09 06:45:49 PM  

Muta: Before reading the article I am guessing... republican.


Independent, with endorsements from Green and Pirate, according to this wiki page.
 
2013-12-09 06:54:05 PM  
He and his ex asked they the records be sealed.  It was a divorce.  It might just be the most personal and private experience his former wife and he ever had.  I don't know what party he belongs to but I see no reason why it should matter.  If the judge saw reason to keep it private years ago and I see no reason other than a judge's political reasons for releasing the records now.  It wasn't political then, it shouldn't be now.  I'll add that these records are also the ex-wife's and the trial years ago went as it did because they were sealed and she has every reason to expect should stay sealed.
 
2013-12-09 07:03:04 PM  

Tyee: He and his ex asked they the records be sealed. It was a divorce. It might just be the most personal and private experience his former wife and he ever had. I don't know what party he belongs to but I see no reason why it should matter. If the judge saw reason to keep it private years ago and I see no reason other than a judge's political reasons for releasing the records now. It wasn't political then, it shouldn't be now. I'll add that these records are also the ex-wife's and the trial years ago went as it did because they were sealed and she has every reason to expect should stay sealed.


This.
 
2013-12-09 07:33:17 PM  

haemaker: I imagine they contain the long form of his birth certificate.


Shh, you'll give the Fark Independents ideas.
 
2013-12-09 09:30:00 PM  
I'm guessing his complaint was that she was terrible at blowjobs and sodomy is technically illegal where they are.
 
2013-12-09 09:31:35 PM  
Taking the Fifth doesn't mean that answering a question would require you to admit a crime. It means that answering the question would require you to give information that might be incriminating. There does have to be a realistic expectation of jeopardy, however. You can't just say "I refuse to answer the question on the ground that it may incriminate me" without having to make some showing that the question seeks incriminating information. But "incriminating information" could mean anything from "I committed the crime" to "The answer to that question suggests I had a motive to commit the crime." You are protected from not giving testimony against yourself, even if you are innocent of any crime.
 
2013-12-09 09:47:49 PM  
I hope it involves taking Jeri Ryan to sex clubs.
 
2013-12-09 10:10:23 PM  
He invoked the 5th in regards to questions surrounding him entering treatment for alcohol and drug addiction (I assume he didn't want to "confess" to possessing drugs, which in Oklahoma can get you close to a life penalty.)

I normally would want open records, but in this case the people looking to get his divorce records are reporters for the local extreme right wing rag who is on record as supporting his opponent in the upcoming mayoral race.

This is the same newspaper who called on Clinton to resign, in a front page editorial for the sin of "committing adultery" when the Lewinsky thing broke, but had previously endorsed a Republican House Candidate for a period of around 20 yrs, when he had been thrice divorced and then married his current mistress in the aftermath.  (All women had worked on his staff (no pun intended) and he had been named "Biggest Womanizer" in Congress by a poll conducted by Washingtonian Magazine of Hill Staffers.)

This newspaper makes Fox news look like a paragon of virtue and professionalism, but then again what do you expect from a rag that was still writing anti-segregation editorials in the early 70's?
 
2013-12-09 10:45:30 PM  

Tyee: He and his ex asked they the records be sealed.  It was a divorce.  It might just be the most personal and private experience his former wife and he ever had.  I don't know what party he belongs to but I see no reason why it should matter.  If the judge saw reason to keep it private years ago and I see no reason other than a judge's political reasons for releasing the records now.  It wasn't political then, it shouldn't be now.  I'll add that these records are also the ex-wife's and the trial years ago went as it did because they were sealed and she has every reason to expect should stay sealed.


Bullshiat. Divorces happen every day but only an extremely small number of divorce records are sealed. The records that are sealed are almost exclusively.at the request of the wealthy.

Either all divorce records should be sealed or all should be open. A private court system for the wealthy is crap and should be fought at every opportunity.
 
2013-12-10 10:02:36 AM  
If you just scan that article it can look like he was invoking Sharia law.
 
2013-12-10 11:24:31 AM  
Chuck Wagon:

Bullshiat. Divorces happen every day but only an extremely small number of divorce records are sealed. The records that are sealed are almost exclusively.at the request of the wealthy.

Either all divorce records should be sealed or all should be open. A private court system for the wealthy is crap and should be fought at every opportunity.


Eh, if the fight was being made on those grounds, and back during a more relevant time frame, and against all rich people who get there divorce records sealed, then I could see your point. But none of those things are the case. This is a completely political move against this particular guy. The voters will infer what they will from his non-disclosure but it is wrong, morally at least if perhaps not legally, to force these records open through legal wrangling.
 
2013-12-10 11:24:55 AM  
Meh, it's Oklahoma. I'm betting that having some guy's fist in his ass is illegal.
 
2013-12-10 12:32:45 PM  
Is he from one of those states where adultery is still technically a crime/illegal?

/my guess
 
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