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2013-12-09 08:47:15 AM
what a stupid headline
 
2013-12-09 08:49:10 AM
Worst headline ever.  It's almost as if some dumdum wrote it for you.
 
2013-12-09 08:49:39 AM

libranoelrose: what a stupid headline


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quiet you

 
2013-12-09 09:02:06 AM
I submitted this with a funnier headline.
 
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2013-12-09 09:03:57 AM
boner
 
2013-12-09 09:13:27 AM

KingoftheCheese: I submitted this with a funnier headline.


snert
 
2013-12-09 09:18:37 AM
I liked the other headline better.
 
2013-12-09 09:31:25 AM
"The documents do not cite any counterterrorism successes from the effort, and former American intelligence officials, current and former gaming company employees and outside experts said in interviews that they knew of little evidence that terrorist groups viewed the games as havens to communicate and plot operations."

And this is the f*cking problem with our current counterterrorism strategies. We literally  paid government agents to play WoW all day. And of  course we didn't find anything, because no self-respecting terrorist was going to be using WoW to communicate, knowing that Blizzard was storing every piece of their conversations and their actions.

It's the same utter bullshiat, waste of money, and invasion of rights as the New York Police Department's Demographics Unit, which infiltrated mosques and Muslim-owned businesses across the entire city, ended up violating tons of people's civil rights, and came up with no actionable intelligence at all. Oh, and the officers involved also tended to "investigate" all the best restaurants, and often ended their shift by "investigating" the really good bakeries and using government funds to "blend in" and buy themselves a whole bunch of delicious food.
 
2013-12-09 10:11:18 AM
but it gives me a +2 fire resistance

/that -10 intelligence is what keeps me away
 
2013-12-09 10:11:55 AM
Wouldn't paranoia be increased?
 
2013-12-09 10:13:31 AM
I submitted this same headline but the dust from the Cheeto's locked up a few keys on the keyboard.
 
2013-12-09 10:14:38 AM

Ralph, plz stop terrorizing


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No

 
2013-12-09 10:15:39 AM
Don't know why they had to investigate, everything they need to know is in the reamde file.
 
2013-12-09 10:16:13 AM
Does it protect you from curses cast by other Munchkins?
 
2013-12-09 10:17:50 AM
One NSA document said that the World of Warcraft monitoring "continues to uncover potential Sigint value by identifying accounts, characters and guilds related to Islamic extremist groups, nuclear proliferation and arms dealing

Jeepers, if they are playing WOW in their mommy's cave, they aren't blowing up buses.
 
2013-12-09 10:17:53 AM
Well, time to start working fun keywords into conversations at adult furry clubs. Preferably with pole dancing and nudity.

Just to see what happens.

/Answer: nothing
 
2013-12-09 10:19:58 AM

vudukungfu: One NSA document said that the World of Warcraft monitoring "continues to uncover potential Sigint value by identifying accounts, characters and guilds related to Islamic extremist groups, nuclear proliferation and arms dealing

Jeepers, if they are playing WOW in their mommy's cave, they aren't blowing up buses.


Remember that the 9/11 hijackers were mostly middle class unmarried males, who lacked direction and meaning in their life.
 
2013-12-09 10:20:37 AM
It must be easy to be in national security. You just come up with some BS, "What if terrorists are communicating using seashells on the beach?" and then you get paid to hang out at the beach.
 
2013-12-09 10:20:46 AM
On the plus side, I'm sure they gained some valuable insights on how to become lifelong virgins, inhabit their mothers' basements, and get a TotalFark membership.
 
2013-12-09 10:21:53 AM
From right to left NSA, NSA, CIA, GCNQ, MI6, GQ, Men's Quarterly, NSA, CIA

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2013-12-09 10:23:43 AM

Karma Chameleon: Wouldn't paranoia be increased?


No because wrapping your head in tinfoil gives you the confidence that nobody is reading your brainwaves. It also gives you slightly higher resistance to fire damage but you take a -2 penalty against microwave weapons.
 
2013-12-09 10:25:13 AM
I knew the guy that wrote some of that software.  Been going on a hellova lot longer than 2005.
 
2013-12-09 10:26:35 AM
The NSA reportedly tried to expand the program to Eve online, but the effort was abandoned after the third time the program head's bank account was drained by anonymous hackers using aliases with variations on the word "Goon" in them.
 
2013-12-09 10:28:02 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Karma Chameleon: Wouldn't paranoia be increased?

No because wrapping your head in tinfoil gives you the confidence that nobody is reading your brainwaves. It also gives you slightly higher resistance to fire damage but you take a -2 penalty against microwave weapons.


Well that makes sense.
 
2013-12-09 10:29:46 AM
Heh, I was CS/Community Manager for an MMO in the mid 90's, and wrote some scripts to go through the "private"* chat channels and grab the conversations.

No terrorists; lots of pervs

/*all channels were open, but we had 1000, so it was more like 'security through obscurity' than private - there was no expectation of privacy
 
2013-12-09 10:29:48 AM
So, who was the clever bastard who figured out a way to get paid to surveil play games by the government?
 
2013-12-09 10:30:10 AM
Just for the sake of argument, if terrorists were using an MMO discuss their plans(unlikely), wouldn't they find it logical to go with obscure games like regnum online?

/what a waste of public funds.
 
2013-12-09 10:31:36 AM
Oh, for Bog's sake.
Actually, I think I might hop on over to the WoW forums.  I can just imagine the intelligent, articulate, rational discussions that will be going on about this...
 
2013-12-09 10:31:59 AM
If we aint got nothing to hide then we shouldn't be afeared

Its ok that they are doing this. Plus, since its there is a good guy in the White House, we can trust him to do what's right and not abuse this.
 
2013-12-09 10:32:38 AM

cman: If we aint got nothing to hide then we shouldn't be afeared

Its ok that they are doing this. Plus, since there is a good guy in the White House, we can trust him to do what's right and not abuse this.


Damn. Rewrote the sentence and forgot to ensure that I fixed it all. Fixt
 
2013-12-09 10:35:51 AM

Gergesa: Just for the sake of argument, if terrorists were using an MMO discuss their plans(unlikely), wouldn't they find it logical to go with obscure games like regnum online?

/what a waste of public funds.


The "hide in a crowd" method doesn't work very well if the crowd is like two guys and a dog puttering around in a thousand-acre field.  The theoretical idea with WoW is that there's too much info to sift through.  Nonsense, obviously, but if that's what you're going with you have to go big on it.
 
2013-12-09 10:35:52 AM

Jim_Callahan: The NSA reportedly tried to expand the program to Eve online, but the effort was abandoned after the third time the program head's bank account was drained by anonymous hackers using aliases with variations on the word "Goon" in them.


And their ships filled with PLEX kept getting ganked.
 
2013-12-09 10:36:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I liked the other headline better.


What was the other headline?
 
2013-12-09 10:39:08 AM
I love the realization that the real threat, at least from the article's perspective, was not that various spy agencies were playing MMOs, but that they were conspiring to construct mobile games that could be used to extract information from your smartphone, and which could be unwittingly downloaded by folks all over the world.

Candy Crush. Think about it. Imagine one of the most popular mobile games on the planet, as little more than a Trojan horse for spyware.
 
2013-12-09 10:40:59 AM

cman: cman: If we aint got nothing to hide then we shouldn't be afeared

Its ok that they are doing this. Plus, since there is a good guy in the White House, we can trust him to do what's right and not abuse this.

Damn. Rewrote the sentence and forgot to ensure that I fixed it all. Fixt


you sure?
 
2013-12-09 10:43:03 AM

KingoftheCheese: I submitted this with a funnier headline.


What a bout a working link? Did you submit it with a working link? Because that would be nice. :-)

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2013-12-09 10:43:21 AM
So some clever CIA employee figured out a way to play WoW on company time. You kind of have to admire that. Now he's going to submit a proposal that terrorists might be hiding messages in porn.
 
2013-12-09 10:43:29 AM

FormlessOne: I love the realization that the real threat, at least from the article's perspective, was not that various spy agencies were playing MMOs, but that they were conspiring to construct mobile games that could be used to extract information from your smartphone, and which could be unwittingly downloaded by folks all over the world.

Candy Crush. Think about it. Imagine one of the most popular mobile games on the planet, as little more than a Trojan horse for spyware.


Batman already did it.
 
2013-12-09 10:44:03 AM

vudukungfu: One NSA document said that the World of Warcraft monitoring "continues to uncover potential Sigint value by identifying accounts, characters and guilds related to Islamic extremist groups, nuclear proliferation and arms dealing

Jeepers, if they are playing WOW in their mommy's cave, they aren't blowing up buses.


In other words a clever geek at NSA BS'ed his technology dated bosses to make it the geek's job to do nothing but play WOW everyday.   Well play NSA geek, well played
 
2013-12-09 10:44:52 AM
wait..... people still use second life?
 
2013-12-09 10:48:14 AM

revrendjim: So some clever CIA employee figured out a way to play WoW on company time. You kind of have to admire that. Now he's going to submit a proposal that terrorists might be hiding messages in porn.


Old hat
 
2013-12-09 10:48:25 AM

FormlessOne: Candy Crush. Think about it. Imagine one of the most popular mobile games on the planet, as little more than a Trojan horse for spyware.


They pretty much mostly already are.  I actually kind of hope the NSA has hijacked the various backdoors and almost-viruses the "legit" games try to put on systems and the outright malware the less big-budget stuff inevitably throws out.  Because that would mean the NSA was actually functionally competent at something instead of Clouseauing around hoping to stumble into the right answers by accident like they actually do in real life.
 
2013-12-09 10:48:42 AM

revrendjim: So some clever CIA employee figured out a way to play WoW on company time. You kind of have to admire that. Now he's going to submit a proposal that terrorists might be hiding messages in porn.


The NSA has been claiming that for years  although to my knowledge, not a single example of "Steganography" by porn being used by actual terrorists has ever been presented
 
2013-12-09 10:48:53 AM

ToastTheRabbit: wait..... people still use second life?


Oh yes.

And not just for pixel sex, either.

/Shocking, I know.
 
2013-12-09 10:50:46 AM
This really shouldn't be surprising. If a web site, or a service (such as a game) facilitates communication, then why is it surprising that agencies might spy on it if they suspect it is being used for something illegal?

Though if I were a spy I think WoW would be the last service I'd want to use for my chat - it's a large target in the control of a US company and it needs to be downloaded, installed and a subscription paid. It would be simpler to find a free-to-play game, preferably one which runs in a web browser and use throwaway accounts to talk through that.
 
2013-12-09 10:53:02 AM
i1191.photobucket.com

Seems relevant.
 
2013-12-09 10:53:09 AM
It is not clear exactly how the agencies got access to gamers' data or communications

Everyone has his price. Especially the greedy suited bastards that run corporations.
 
2013-12-09 10:56:12 AM
I'm just going to assume that an NSA agent wanted to come up with an excuse to connect the WOW servers through the firewall.
 
2013-12-09 11:04:01 AM
Just another example of how pants-on-head stupid US intelligence agencies are.  I'm sure there are more than a few agents out there who were happy to tell their family and friends, "I got paid to play WOW."
Pretty sure that most agents wouldn't recognize a terrorist even if they walked up and shouted, "Al-Akbar" at them.
 
2013-12-09 11:05:08 AM
does the sneaky bastard sword automatically get passed the tin foil hat
 
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