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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Hundreds gather as Seattle celebrates the one year anniversary of its legalization of marijuana. Coincidentally, it's also been one year since people stopped saying "lunch time" and now call it "high noon"   (startribune.com) divider line 36
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2013-12-09 11:20:28 AM
Washington and Colorado are superior to your states.

/Has better NFL teams, too.
 
2013-12-09 11:20:30 AM
Wait, Washington or Colorado hasn't collapsed into nothingness with the legalization of marijuana???
 
2013-12-09 11:22:10 AM

KellyX: Wait, Washington or Colorado hasn't collapsed into nothingness with the legalization of marijuana???


Unthinkable. The Liberal Media must be covering it up.
 
2013-12-09 11:24:57 AM

Wadded Beef: Washington and Colorado are superior to your states.

/Has better NFL teams, too.


Done in one.
 
2013-12-09 11:26:18 AM
Meh, call me when it's available for sale.

WA appears to be dragging it's feet and we need the revenue.
 
2013-12-09 11:27:02 AM
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2013-12-09 11:30:28 AM
Those people should have been spending time protecting medical cannabis users' rights because the state is preparing to screw them over in the name of recreational parity.

The state is talking about an 85% tax on medical and severely limiting the amounts medical patients can have, and that's not all, they want to take away the right to grow-AND limit patients to 3 ounces. There's more too.  In Washington State, things involving pot are going to get ugly within 2 years. This is all according to all the local newspapers, local TV news reports, and quotes from the WA state legislature.

So of course pot smokers should waste time huddling under the needle while other people are plotting to make their lives more expensive and difficult.

Oh, the best part: The Liquor Control Board wants to be in charge of it, and they may get what they ask, as what usually happens here.
 
2013-12-09 11:31:02 AM
"Seattle Center is a poor location for the party considering it takes place during Winterfest, a family-friendly event, and among popular venues that cater to children and their families," the letter said.

Livingston responded by noting that the family-friendly Winterfest has a beer tent, which no one protested.


Hippocracy at its finest; "Their smoking is interfering with my drinking."

/guess which one is going to have the actual fights
 
2013-12-09 11:32:55 AM

KellyX: Wait, Washington or Colorado hasn't collapsed into nothingness with the legalization of marijuana???


I don't know about Washington but Colorado has officially collapsed into mayhem.  Everybody should still stay away.  It's horrible here.
 
2013-12-09 11:36:13 AM
I've always found the redundancy of "one year anniversary" irritating. Anniversaries, by definition, come once a year. This is the first anniversary.

/get off my lawn.
 
2013-12-09 11:38:04 AM

Captain Horatio Mindblower: I've always found the redundancy of "one year anniversary" irritating. Anniversaries, by definition, come once a year. This is the first anniversary.

/get off my lawn.


Sounds like somebody is out of weed.
 
2013-12-09 11:53:15 AM
Washington and Colorado farkers want to let the rest of us in on how impossible/easy it is to get doobage now?  How much you are being harrassed by the feds? Or do you even know anybody who touches the stuff and its all just rumor?
 
2013-12-09 12:00:22 PM

orclover: Washington and Colorado farkers want to let the rest of us in on how impossible/easy it is to get doobage now?  How much you are being harrassed by the feds? Or do you even know anybody who touches the stuff and its all just rumor?


The federal government did in fact raid a handful of dispensaries, but they claim it was because they abused the rules set forth by WA state for itself.   Frankly, it looks like such is the case.

As for how easy it is,..well you're free to become a resident. If you do move here, though, please don't chop down the damn trees. We hate that.
 
2013-12-09 12:05:38 PM

orclover: Washington and Colorado farkers want to let the rest of us in on how impossible/easy it is to get doobage now?  How much you are being harrassed by the feds? Or do you even know anybody who touches the stuff and its all just rumor?


In Colorado, good weed at a good price has been trivial to get for quite awhile now.  ~$200/oz is pretty average if you know the right people.  If you don't know the right people, you can still find it pretty easily but you'll be paying "normal" prices of ~$80-100 per 1/4 or ~$10-15/g (to be honest, I haven't bought any quantity under an ounce in quite awhile).

I expect (and hope) that once the retail stores are open the prices will stay within the national "average" or you'll either see pot flowing out of the state (if it's priced too low in the shops) which is a problem, or you'll see the black market still doing its thing (if it's priced too high in the shops), which would also be a problem.

Time will tell, of course, and I'm excited to see what happens.

/either way, weed will continue to be available and relatively cheap here.
 
2013-12-09 12:05:50 PM

DigitalCoffee: "Seattle Center is a poor location for the party considering it takes place during Winterfest, a family-friendly event, and among popular venues that cater to children and their families," the letter said.

Livingston responded by noting that the family-friendly Winterfest has a beer tent, which no one protested.

Hippocracy at its finest; "Their smoking is interfering with my drinking."

/guess which one is going to have the actual fights


I'm guessing those who don't smoke just want the freedom to not have to smell the skunk or their kids getting a contact buzz.. Really don't have that problem with beer.
 
2013-12-09 12:07:00 PM

walktoanarcade: orclover: Washington and Colorado farkers want to let the rest of us in on how impossible/easy it is to get doobage now?  How much you are being harrassed by the feds? Or do you even know anybody who touches the stuff and its all just rumor?

The federal government did in fact raid a handful of dispensaries, but they claim it was because they abused the rules set forth by WA state for itself.   Frankly, it looks like such is the case.

As for how easy it is,..well you're free to become a resident. If you do move here, though, please don't chop down the damn trees. We hate that.


Make sure you know how to properly recycle your trash. We're watching you.
 
2013-12-09 12:09:02 PM

walktoanarcade: The state is talking about an 85% tax on medical and severely limiting the amounts medical patients can have, and that's not all, they want to take away the right to grow-AND limit patients to 3 ounces.


Meh - the current statute allows 24 ounces for a medical user. I have a card myself and frankly that's ridiculous to the extreme - there's not a person on the earth who could consume that much - in let's say 90 days - even if it were their full-time job. Three ounces in a month is beyond plenty for 99% of users if not 100%.
 
2013-12-09 12:10:02 PM
The last time a thread like this came up I was slaughtered conveying my observations when we visited Seattle in July. I was informed I criss-crossed the drug problems as presented by the colorful types near Pike Place.

So...What's the real deal with the population at large?  Is pot starting to be regarded as similar to booze, and a certain amount of self-policing to fly under the radar going on, or is it the near free-for-all I witnessed (but was told what I saw was the herion users showing a lack of restraint and being disruptive in public).

My true hope is we become similar to Holland (from what a Dutch friend of mine says), in that there's generally a societal outlook on par with booze--you shouldn't get drunk in public, so keep being high in public on the QT.
 
2013-12-09 12:12:49 PM

walktoanarcade: Those people should have been spending time protecting medical cannabis users' rights because the state is preparing to screw them over in the name of recreational parity.

The state is talking about an 85% tax on medical and severely limiting the amounts medical patients can have, and that's not all, they want to take away the right to grow-AND limit patients to 3 ounces.

Oh, the best part: The Liquor Control Board wants to be in charge of it, and they may get what they ask, as what usually happens here.


Prescription pot should remain prescription. Doctors should know to limit those whose are using an excuse for pot possession. Medical pot should have medical reasons for the prescripts and If I can't pot, I shouldn't be able to buy ANY tincture, 'script or not.

I didn't vote for it to make a whole new industry out of pot, I voted to treat it, recreationally, like alcohol. I still want that. I would like to have my pot in easy to obtain, no legal problem, and not crime-ring controlled parcels, that's all. The state doesn't need to have a "drug czar", doesn't need to control the amount grown, doesn't need to set the prices. If they'd just treat and tax it like alcohol, we'd be buyin' it in Safeway as we speak.

/Ya know the grocery stores are waiting
//Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol.
///everything they are fighting against (driving, addiction, black market) really isn't a pot problem.
 
2013-12-09 12:13:54 PM

JohnBigBootay: walktoanarcade: The state is talking about an 85% tax on medical and severely limiting the amounts medical patients can have, and that's not all, they want to take away the right to grow-AND limit patients to 3 ounces.

Meh - the current statute allows 24 ounces for a medical user. I have a card myself and frankly that's ridiculous to the extreme - there's not a person on the earth who could consume that much - in let's say 90 days - even if it were their full-time job. Three ounces in a month is beyond plenty for 99% of users if not 100%.


Sorry, that's terribly wrong. Many medical users with severe medial problems intake cannabis as a butter-infused product and use far more than even the 24 ounces.

There's all kinds of scary diseases that require far more painkilling than those who have a script for "anxiety", though they may very well have it.
 
2013-12-09 12:21:18 PM

orclover: Washington and Colorado farkers want to let the rest of us in on how impossible/easy it is to get doobage now?  How much you are being harrassed by the feds? Or do you even know anybody who touches the stuff and its all just rumor?


For the occasional, lite-weight smoker, It has eased the hunt by law enforcement for the possession of a gram or less. It is now legal to have and smoke pot in the privacy of your own home. That's why the methodists have gone back on the attack of medical marijuana. I'm now safe from having my assets taken for having it in my house. It is still illegal top have a party (these guys at the Seatlle Center had the graces of SPD, just like before the law was passed), or to light up anywhere but hiding in your closet at home.

/You can bet there'll be laws agin smoking with kids in the house
//Or at a park
 
2013-12-09 12:22:13 PM

Mikeyworld: walktoanarcade: Those people should have been spending time protecting medical cannabis users' rights because the state is preparing to screw them over in the name of recreational parity.

The state is talking about an 85% tax on medical and severely limiting the amounts medical patients can have, and that's not all, they want to take away the right to grow-AND limit patients to 3 ounces.

Oh, the best part: The Liquor Control Board wants to be in charge of it, and they may get what they ask, as what usually happens here.

Prescription pot should remain prescription. Doctors should know to limit those whose are using an excuse for pot possession. Medical pot should have medical reasons for the prescripts and If I can't pot, I shouldn't be able to buy ANY tincture, 'script or not.

I didn't vote for it to make a whole new industry out of pot, I voted to treat it, recreationally, like alcohol. I still want that. I would like to have my pot in easy to obtain, no legal problem, and not crime-ring controlled parcels, that's all. The state doesn't need to have a "drug czar", doesn't need to control the amount grown, doesn't need to set the prices. If they'd just treat and tax it like alcohol, we'd be buyin' it in Safeway as we speak.

/Ya know the grocery stores are waiting
//Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol.
///everything they are fighting against (driving, addiction, black market) really isn't a pot problem.


I mostly agree with you, (I don't want Safeway selling pot) but that's what the state is going for and will get it if people don't inform others and do something, like send a delegation to Olympia to pressure the legislature at the best time. (not sure when that would be)
 
2013-12-09 12:22:33 PM

orclover: Washington and Colorado farkers want to let the rest of us in on how impossible/easy it is to get doobage now?  How much you are being harrassed by the feds? Or do you even know anybody who touches the stuff and its all just rumor?


Weed is just as easy to get here in Colorado as it has been for the past few years, at least in my experience. As mentioned above, if you know the right people, $200 per ounce or $50 per quarter is pretty widely available, and the quality is almost always top notch.

Retail selling for recreational use starts on Jan. 1st, with medical shops getting the first licenses until (I believe) October when new stores are allowed to apply and open. This is going to be VERY exciting.

As for the feds, they raided a dozen or so dispenseries last month, but just like the farker from Washington mentioned, it appears that these stores were raided for shady activities and breaking state regulations. No problem there, I even know folks in the business that are happy it occurred. The biggest road bump that I see with the federal laws is that banks won't/cannot do business with medical or retail shops. So, no credit cards, no ATMs, just cash only business. Not a big problem but there you go.

Between all of the micro breweries making delicious beer and the recent developments with marijuana, I feel confident saying that it is a very nice time to be living in Colorado.
 
2013-12-09 12:25:33 PM

walktoanarcade: Sorry, that's terribly wrong. Many medical users with severe medial problems intake cannabis as a butter-infused product and use far more than even the 24 ounces.

There's all kinds of scary diseases that require far more painkilling than those who have a script for "anxiety", though they may very well have it.


Sorry - I'm not crying. Now I think it should be available in any amount to any adult who wants it. But after the embarrassment of the medical mj community lack of support for recreational legalization and becoming a bunch or right-wing authoritarians overnight after they got theirs they can go fark themselves. Just about the only NO support on Wa 502 came from medical marijuana - they've shown their ability to play dirty politics and spread misinformation with the best of them - judging from comments threads the fear mongering over gun control guys have nothing on the medical mmj guys. Keep in mind that I'm one of them. From what I've seen lots of US are so full of shiat we could pop any second.
 
2013-12-09 12:34:07 PM

JohnBigBootay: walktoanarcade: Sorry, that's terribly wrong. Many medical users with severe medial problems intake cannabis as a butter-infused product and use far more than even the 24 ounces.

There's all kinds of scary diseases that require far more painkilling than those who have a script for "anxiety", though they may very well have it.

Sorry - I'm not crying. Now I think it should be available in any amount to any adult who wants it. But after the embarrassment of the medical mj community lack of support for recreational legalization and becoming a bunch or right-wing authoritarians overnight after they got theirs they can go fark themselves. Just about the only NO support on Wa 502 came from medical marijuana - they've shown their ability to play dirty politics and spread misinformation with the best of them - judging from comments threads the fear mongering over gun control guys have nothing on the medical mmj guys. Keep in mind that I'm one of them. From what I've seen lots of US are so full of shiat we could pop any second.


You've got in backwards, those that want to simply get high and have no medical issues are willing to screw them over for their own selfish purposes.

Before passage of I-502 it was stated that it would not affect medial cannabis patients, well, in short because the state is afraid of losing money (the Liquor Control Board will be selling the pot, not you, unless you got the big money already) to medical, they want to create "parity" by jacking up the medical pot prices.

That's what this is about, kicking medical patients to the curb in terms of costs and convenience so the state can make more money.
 
2013-12-09 12:54:32 PM

walktoanarcade: You've got in backwards, those that want to simply get high and have no medical issues are willing to screw them over for their own selfish purposes.

Before passage of I-502 it was stated that it would not affect medial cannabis patients, well, in short because the state is afraid of losing money (the Liquor Control Board will be selling the pot, not you, unless you got the big money already) to medical, they want to create "parity" by jacking up the medical pot prices.

That's what this is about, kicking medical patients to the curb in terms of costs and convenience so the state can make more money.


I voted for medical mmj at every opportunity and I voted for recreational as well. There's going to be collateral damage and missteps along the way to total legalization but there's not a chance in hell I'd take back my vote. I'm sorry SOME of the medical community will be inconvenienced at least in the short term... but the vast majority will be absolutely fine. The fact is MOST don't grow and aren't interested in growing and MOST don't consume the amounts you are looking for. In the meantime I am damn happy about recreational legalization. I want everyone to be happy. But if forced to choose in the meantime I say the most good for the most people most of the time lies in making recreational use legal. The good from ending decades of social and economic damage on the general population from ridiculous legal penalties for possession easily trumps the upcoming inconvenience to current medical users.
 
2013-12-09 01:03:49 PM

JohnBigBootay: walktoanarcade: You've got in backwards, those that want to simply get high and have no medical issues are willing to screw them over for their own selfish purposes.

Before passage of I-502 it was stated that it would not affect medial cannabis patients, well, in short because the state is afraid of losing money (the Liquor Control Board will be selling the pot, not you, unless you got the big money already) to medical, they want to create "parity" by jacking up the medical pot prices.

That's what this is about, kicking medical patients to the curb in terms of costs and convenience so the state can make more money.

I voted for medical mmj at every opportunity and I voted for recreational as well. There's going to be collateral damage and missteps along the way to total legalization but there's not a chance in hell I'd take back my vote. I'm sorry SOME of the medical community will be inconvenienced at least in the short term... but the vast majority will be absolutely fine. The fact is MOST don't grow and aren't interested in growing and MOST don't consume the amounts you are looking for. In the meantime I am damn happy about recreational legalization. I want everyone to be happy. But if forced to choose in the meantime I say the most good for the most people most of the time lies in making recreational use legal. The good from ending decades of social and economic damage on the general population from ridiculous legal penalties for possession easily trumps the upcoming inconvenience to current medical users.


Oh, I am happy that it's finally legal too, but we should agree that there's a way it can be done without farking over anyone. I do believe we are able to do it, but greed gets in the way.

And I don't fault you for your vote. Why should I? There's dispensary owners and non-owners that agree with what I said *and* what you said.

In the end, I don't want to pay triple or quadruple the price because some teenager wants to get high and call everyone sheeple.    That's all. If anything, recreational pot should cost more with medical being cheaper because it's being used as medicine by many on fixed incomes. By very definition "recreational cannabis" is an extra bonus, another fun activity (which it can be) not a necessity of life, which it also can be.
 
2013-12-09 01:21:05 PM

walktoanarcade: Oh, I am happy that it's finally legal too, but we should agree that there's a way it can be done without farking over anyone. I do believe we are able to do it, but greed gets in the way.

And I don't fault you for your vote. Why should I? There's dispensary owners and non-owners that agree with what I said *and* what you said.

In the end, I don't want to pay triple or quadruple the price because some teenager wants to get high and call everyone sheeple. That's all. If anything, recreational pot should cost more with medical being cheaper because it's being used as medicine by many on fixed incomes. By very definition "recreational cannabis" is an extra bonus, another fun activity (which it can be) not a necessity of life, which it also can be.


I'm sure we mostly agree. I don't want the people that need it the most suffering. There are some valid problems with the bill that passed. I just didn't want to miss the opportunity to be the first legal state by quibbling over details. I thought at the time that once we get a state or two on board it would start the federal discussion in earnest and start a landslide. With colorado jumping in at the same time and the national polls turning and the feds all but saying they wouldn't stand in the way of the will of the states I think that landslide is under way. It will of course take some time but I think national legal mmj is inevitable at this point. Of course money corrupts the process - it always does.
 
2013-12-09 01:24:48 PM
4th generation resident of Washington State.   I do know people who indulge in cannabis, they all did so prior to the legalization.   My guess would be that they have neither increased nor decreased their consumption.   I am not aware of anyone in my social groups that have taken up indulging in cannabis due to the change in the law.

I think the liquor control board's efforts to prevent the sale of cannabis have been pointless, as well as the efforts of several rather small right wing groups to prevent the growing or sale of cannabis near homes and schools.  Lots of it is grown in homes, and even 40 years ago it was readily availible in K-12 schools.

Other than the Feds raiding the medical cannabis dispenceries and right wing protests there have been no issues.
 
2013-12-09 01:42:27 PM

JohnBigBootay: walktoanarcade: Oh, I am happy that it's finally legal too, but we should agree that there's a way it can be done without farking over anyone. I do believe we are able to do it, but greed gets in the way.

And I don't fault you for your vote. Why should I? There's dispensary owners and non-owners that agree with what I said *and* what you said.

In the end, I don't want to pay triple or quadruple the price because some teenager wants to get high and call everyone sheeple. That's all. If anything, recreational pot should cost more with medical being cheaper because it's being used as medicine by many on fixed incomes. By very definition "recreational cannabis" is an extra bonus, another fun activity (which it can be) not a necessity of life, which it also can be.

I'm sure we mostly agree. I don't want the people that need it the most suffering. There are some valid problems with the bill that passed. I just didn't want to miss the opportunity to be the first legal state by quibbling over details. I thought at the time that once we get a state or two on board it would start the federal discussion in earnest and start a landslide. With colorado jumping in at the same time and the national polls turning and the feds all but saying they wouldn't stand in the way of the will of the states I think that landslide is under way. It will of course take some time but I think national legal mmj is inevitable at this point. Of course money corrupts the process - it always does.


*nods solemnly*  Here's to the rest of the nation joining the 21st century..........


........ #_#
 
2013-12-09 02:40:13 PM

walktoanarcade: JohnBigBootay: walktoanarcade: Oh, I am happy that it's finally legal too, but we should agree that there's a way it can be done without farking over anyone. I do believe we are able to do it, but greed gets in the way.

And I don't fault you for your vote. Why should I? There's dispensary owners and non-owners that agree with what I said *and* what you said.

In the end, I don't want to pay triple or quadruple the price because some teenager wants to get high and call everyone sheeple. That's all. If anything, recreational pot should cost more with medical being cheaper because it's being used as medicine by many on fixed incomes. By very definition "recreational cannabis" is an extra bonus, another fun activity (which it can be) not a necessity of life, which it also can be.

I'm sure we mostly agree. I don't want the people that need it the most suffering. There are some valid problems with the bill that passed. I just didn't want to miss the opportunity to be the first legal state by quibbling over details. I thought at the time that once we get a state or two on board it would start the federal discussion in earnest and start a landslide. With colorado jumping in at the same time and the national polls turning and the feds all but saying they wouldn't stand in the way of the will of the states I think that landslide is under way. It will of course take some time but I think national legal mmj is inevitable at this point. Of course money corrupts the process - it always does.

*nods solemnly*  Here's to the rest of the nation joining the 21st century..........


........ #_#


Plus the medical cannabis market has been abused. It has been too easy to get your "green" card and I would estimate that more than half of the prescriptions are not medically necessary. Of the people I know personally that have their card, that is the case. If we could dial them back to just the people who actually need and benefit medically from cannabis that would be good. Otherwise I just say let everyone buy on the rec market.
 
2013-12-09 03:06:07 PM

garumph: walktoanarcade: JohnBigBootay: walktoanarcade: Oh, I am happy that it's finally legal too, but we should agree that there's a way it can be done without farking over anyone. I do believe we are able to do it, but greed gets in the way.

And I don't fault you for your vote. Why should I? There's dispensary owners and non-owners that agree with what I said *and* what you said.

In the end, I don't want to pay triple or quadruple the price because some teenager wants to get high and call everyone sheeple. That's all. If anything, recreational pot should cost more with medical being cheaper because it's being used as medicine by many on fixed incomes. By very definition "recreational cannabis" is an extra bonus, another fun activity (which it can be) not a necessity of life, which it also can be.

I'm sure we mostly agree. I don't want the people that need it the most suffering. There are some valid problems with the bill that passed. I just didn't want to miss the opportunity to be the first legal state by quibbling over details. I thought at the time that once we get a state or two on board it would start the federal discussion in earnest and start a landslide. With colorado jumping in at the same time and the national polls turning and the feds all but saying they wouldn't stand in the way of the will of the states I think that landslide is under way. It will of course take some time but I think national legal mmj is inevitable at this point. Of course money corrupts the process - it always does.

*nods solemnly*  Here's to the rest of the nation joining the 21st century..........


........ #_#

Plus the medical cannabis market has been abused. It has been too easy to get your "green" card and I would estimate that more than half of the prescriptions are not medically necessary. Of the people I know personally that have their card, that is the case. If we could dial them back to just the people who actually need and benefit medically from cannabis that would be good ...


*nods again*
 
2013-12-09 03:56:25 PM
Washington -- legal marijuana
Florida -- 85 degrees on December 9th
Decisions, decisions ...


Maybe I'll move next year.
 
2013-12-09 06:55:46 PM

The water was cold: Washington -- legal marijuana
Florida -- 85 degrees on December 9th
Decisions, decisions ...

Maybe I'll move next year.


High today (no pun intended) is 30F.

Been cold for the past week.  We did only get a dusting on Friday it's still pretty cold.
 
2013-12-10 10:12:07 AM
And, oddly enough, civilization has not ended here. Go figure...
 
2013-12-10 07:36:15 PM

The water was cold: Washington -- legal marijuana
Florida -- 85 degrees on December 9th
Decisions, decisions ...

Maybe I'll move next year.


Hawaii is much more liberal with the weed than FL. As is Cali. Food for thought.
 
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