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(Daily Mail)   If you're going to ask "Oh you're gonna shoot me?", be prepared for the answer to be yes. Especially if you're asking a cop   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 211
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2013-12-08 09:29:58 PM
When the only tool that you want to use is your gun every problem looks like a black teen.
 
2013-12-08 09:32:08 PM
And we actually have no idea at this point what actually happened.

Get back to us when the dashcam footage is available.
 
2013-12-08 09:34:20 PM
1-According to records viewed by My San Antonio, Carter has had nine jobs at eight different agencies over his eight-year law enforcement career.

2-According to Pruitt, Carter tried to pull him over on Broadway for driving erratically, despite the fact that Redus was off-campus.

3-Once there, both got out of their cars and some kind of struggle ensued. Pruitt told My San Antonio that Carter radioed for help shortly before Redus was shot.

4-'I didn't hear him say anything like, "Get down on your hands and knees," you know? I didn't hear him say anything. He just started shooting,' the man told KSAT.
'He emptied the gun on him,' he said. 'Boom, boom, boom.'


This one could go either way folks.
 
2013-12-08 09:34:34 PM
That was not the best course of action.
 
2013-12-08 09:36:03 PM

Enemabag Jones: 1-According to records viewed by My San Antonio, Carter has had nine jobs at eight different agencies over his eight-year law enforcement career.

2-According to Pruitt, Carter tried to pull him over on Broadway for driving erratically, despite the fact that Redus was off-campus.

3-Once there, both got out of their cars and some kind of struggle ensued. Pruitt told My San Antonio that Carter radioed for help shortly before Redus was shot.

4-'I didn't hear him say anything like, "Get down on your hands and knees," you know? I didn't hear him say anything. He just started shooting,' the man told KSAT.
'He emptied the gun on him,' he said. 'Boom, boom, boom.'

This one could go either way folks.


9 different jobs in 8 years.

That seems like a big red flag, if I was hiring this guy... for anything, even janitorial services, let alone a job that involves carrying around a firearm.
 
2013-12-08 09:36:42 PM
What part of "Texas" don't you understand, needledick? In virtually any state, cop = license to kill. In Texas, it's practically a mandate.
 
2013-12-08 09:37:10 PM
A moron with a gun is a moron with a gun, regardless of his uniform.

I'm sure they both used poor judgement, but only one of them was armed.
 
pla
2013-12-08 09:38:20 PM
Enemabag Jones : This one could go either way folks

No, not it could not. Out of "jurisdiction" makes it "premeditated murder", plain and simple.

Stupid arsehat kid just makes us feel (slightly) less bad about it.  Murdering cop still needs to go up for life.
 
2013-12-08 09:38:37 PM
a dead guy vs. the word of a cop?

I'm going to say the cop is going to win here.
 
2013-12-08 09:39:40 PM
The University of the Incarnate Word.

Do you have what it takes to pass the final?
 
2013-12-08 09:40:11 PM
LesserEvil
9 different jobs in 8 years.
That seems like a big red flag, if I was hiring this guy... for anything, even janitorial services, let alone a job that involves carrying around a firearm.

Agreed. But just as soon as I take an opinion either way someone is going to find a new article with new information. I disagree with the people arguing that project context and situations inside the scene that were not there.
 
2013-12-08 09:40:14 PM
95% acceptance rate at this school, lol.
 
2013-12-08 09:40:55 PM
I'm sure this fine officer's justified actions will inspire years of cooperation and trust between the university student community and the campus police.
 
2013-12-08 09:41:24 PM
The world won't take you guys seriously until you annex Texas.
 
2013-12-08 09:41:27 PM

JasonOfOrillia: When the only tool that you want to use is your gun every problem looks like a black teen.


www.funnypictures24.com
 
2013-12-08 09:42:00 PM
Not even a real cop... a campus cop. Sounds like 1st degree murder to me... guy didn't even warn him or tell him to get on his knees... he planned on killing someone.
 
2013-12-08 09:42:19 PM
Add it up NSFW lyrics.
 
2013-12-08 09:42:19 PM
pla
Enemabag Jones : This one could go either way folks
No, not it could not. Out of "jurisdiction" makes it "premeditated murder", plain and simple.
Stupid arsehat kid just makes us feel (slightly) less bad about it. Murdering cop still needs to go up for life.


We don't know the rules of texas, this town and this college yet. Not that some douchebag wanna be LEO isn't going insist that these are the rules, even if they don't really know.
 
2013-12-08 09:42:38 PM
Parking garage at a university? Likely to have security footage.
 
2013-12-08 09:44:57 PM
HindiDiscoMonster
Not even a real cop... a campus cop. Sounds like 1st degree murder to me... guy didn't even warn him or tell him to get on his knees... he planned on killing someone.


Campus cops have full rights to pepper spray students sitting down on a sidewalk after they feel threatened by the encircling mob.
 
2013-12-08 09:46:50 PM
I am sure this thread will be full of rational posts.  That being said, this cop will probably get off and shoot someone else for opening their whore mouth.
 
2013-12-08 09:46:58 PM

AgentPothead: The world won't take you guys seriously until you annex Texas.


Uh, who should annex Texas? It's already part of the US. Are you talking to Mexico?
 
2013-12-08 09:47:38 PM
They let campus cops carry guns? Oh, right: because Texas.
 
2013-12-08 09:47:54 PM
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2013-12-08 09:49:12 PM

fusillade762: They let campus cops carry guns? Oh, right: because Texas.


That depends on the campus. At Tulane in New Orleans, they are bona fide law enforcement officers.
 
2013-12-08 09:49:20 PM

AeAe: a dead guy vs. the word of a cop?

I'm going to say the cop is going to win here.


Momma always said, make sure they are dead! Otherwise they are a witness against you.
 
2013-12-08 09:49:26 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Not even a real cop... a campus cop. Sounds like 1st degree murder to me... guy didn't even warn him or tell him to get on his knees... he planned on killing someone.


Time to just start shooting cops. they have CLEARLY gone insane.
 
2013-12-08 09:51:32 PM

jmr61: And we actually have no idea at this point what actually happened.

Get back to us when the dashcam footage is available.


Though it's interesting there's no mention of the student being armed. I wonder if the cop was carrying anything less lethal than his gun. Also he fired 4-6 times. Seems excessive but like you said it will be nice if footage comes out.
 
2013-12-08 09:52:21 PM
Non-Daily Fail article:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/12/police-officer-asked-youre-gonna-shot- me -by-student-then-he-does/

Carter has currently been placed on paid administrative leave while the investigation continues. Carter was working as a part of the University of the Incarnate Word's police force and the university released a statement saying he has an extensive background in law enforcement.

Yeah, about that...

Carter's record shows that he has worked nine law enforcement jobs in the last eight years for eight different police agencies. His time at UIW was his longest current position at two and a half years.

So, it was Eight cop jobs in Five years.

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/got ourselves a real winner, here
 
2013-12-08 09:52:23 PM

Enemabag Jones: pla
Enemabag Jones : This one could go either way folks
No, not it could not. Out of "jurisdiction" makes it "premeditated murder", plain and simple.
Stupid arsehat kid just makes us feel (slightly) less bad about it. Murdering cop still needs to go up for life.

We don't know the rules of texas, this town and this college yet. Not that some douchebag wanna be LEO isn't going insist that these are the rules, even if they don't really know.


The University cop is most likely "TCLEOSE" certified which is required to be a law enforcement officer in Texas. He is allowed to pull over someone breaking the law on a public street even though he is a University cop.
 
2013-12-08 09:52:26 PM

Nabb1: AgentPothead: The world won't take you guys seriously until you annex Texas.

Uh, who should annex Texas? It's already part of the US. Are you talking to Mexico?


I don't consider Texas a part of the US. It might be a state, but nothing it does is for the good of the country and everything it does is for the good of itself. I would have no problem at all with a force able takeover of that oil stained sand bucket.
 
2013-12-08 09:53:01 PM

Enemabag Jones: LesserEvil
9 different jobs in 8 years.
That seems like a big red flag, if I was hiring this guy... for anything, even janitorial services, let alone a job that involves carrying around a firearm.

Agreed. But just as soon as I take an opinion either way someone is going to find a new article with new information. I disagree with the people arguing that project context and situations inside the scene that were not there.


Yep, there is usually more to the story than we get on these initial reports.

Obviously, there was some sort of struggle. Also obviously, this occurred outside of the cop's jurisdiction. This could land anywhere... and wherever it lands, it looks like a tragedy.
 
2013-12-08 09:57:32 PM
bmr68
The University cop is most likely "TCLEOSE" certified which is required to be a law enforcement officer in Texas. He is allowed to pull over someone breaking the law on a public street even though he is a University cop.


Thanks for that useful information.

And that sounds really confusing and f**k up. LIke the George Zimmerman wannabe's have a title in texas.

Are people's ground being stood upon?
 
2013-12-08 09:59:46 PM

bmr68: The University cop is most likely "TCLEOSE" certified which is required to be a law enforcement officer in Texas. He is allowed to pull over someone breaking the law on a public street even though he is a University cop.


The local park rangers (county, no less) can pull you over, too. That doesn't make it right, though. I'm inclined to think he should have called of backup the moment he saw erratic driving and let the cops whose proper jurisdiction was involved take care of the matter.

I wonder if this was a factor in the victim getting into a struggle with the officer (i.e. "you're not a real cop").

The thing that is really bothering me is the job record. Police officers, like school teachers, who change jobs more than once a year should throw up red flags. Big red flags. More often than not, they are running ahead of some sort of trouble.
 
2013-12-08 09:59:56 PM
There is no jurisdictional issues here. A cop has arresting powers anywhere in his state, he has arresting powers off duty. One can be punished administratively for being out of his jurisdiction off-duty if he doesn't have a valid reason, like he went somewhere for donuts. But if he was patrolling the campus streets and followed him off his patrol area because he noticed the guy driving erratically, nothing wrong with that.

8 cop jobs in 5 years, 9 in 8 years, is a big big red flag for job. It's sad, but in the good old USA, when a cop gets fired or forced to resign for misconduct, he just goes to another jurisdiction and applies. In general, the issue that caused his firing cannot be revealed. Police unions :)
 
2013-12-08 09:59:57 PM

pla: Enemabag Jones : This one could go either way folks

No, not it could not. Out of "jurisdiction" makes it "premeditated murder", plain and simple.

Stupid arsehat kid just makes us feel (slightly) less bad about it.  Murdering cop still needs to go up for life.



Campus cops are never out of their jurisdiction.

They are usually treated as state police and have authority throughout the state.
 
2013-12-08 10:00:51 PM

gund: There is no jurisdictional issues here. A cop has arresting powers anywhere in his state, he has arresting powers off duty. One can be punished administratively for being out of his jurisdiction offon-duty if he doesn't have a valid reason, like he went somewhere for donuts. But if he was patrolling the campus streets and followed him off his patrol area because he noticed the guy driving erratically, nothing wrong with that.

8 cop jobs in 5 years, 9 in 8 years, is a big big red flag for job. It's sad, but in the good old USA, when a cop gets fired or forced to resign for misconduct, he just goes to another jurisdiction and applies. In general, the issue that caused his firing cannot be revealed. Police unions :)


/ftfm
 
2013-12-08 10:01:14 PM
Oh, I see what he did wrong. He said, "Oh you're gonna shoot me?", instead of,  "Please don't shoot me! Please don't shoot me! Please don't shoot me!"
 
2013-12-08 10:04:09 PM
Don't cry too many crocodile tears for another pretty-boy douche who thinks he's above the law and tries to smart-lip a cop.

Here's a pro-tip:  When a cop tells you to do something, it's not like when your mom shouts something down into the basement.  You have to listen and obey the officer's command.
 
2013-12-08 10:05:24 PM

crazyeddie: Don't cry too many crocodile tears for another pretty-boy douche who thinks he's above the law and tries to smart-lip a cop.

Here's a pro-tip:  When a cop tells you to do something, it's not like when your mom shouts something down into the basement.  You have to listen and obey the officer's command.


Dinner is ready?
 
2013-12-08 10:05:42 PM
There are a bunch of articles with the details the Daily Fail chose to leave out to make it seem more outrageous. That same neighbor said he heard the cop yell "stop resisting!" multiple times, radio for backup because the dude was attacking him, and then warn him that he would shoot if he didn't stop, only to finally fire a minute or so later.

I've only had bad experiences with cops in my life and I'm always heavily on the Fark-the-Pigs bandwagon in these threads, but this one doesn't really sound like the flagrant tragedy the article desperately wants it to be.
 
2013-12-08 10:05:58 PM
We sure do love our power imbalances here in the US.
 
2013-12-08 10:07:43 PM

gund: There is no jurisdictional issues here. A cop has arresting powers anywhere in his state, he has arresting powers off duty. One can be punished administratively for being out of his jurisdiction off-duty if he doesn't have a valid reason, like he went somewhere for donuts. But if he was patrolling the campus streets and followed him off his patrol area because he noticed the guy driving erratically, nothing wrong with that.

8 cop jobs in 5 years, 9 in 8 years, is a big big red flag for job. It's sad, but in the good old USA, when a cop gets fired or forced to resign for misconduct, he just goes to another jurisdiction and applies. In general, the issue that caused his firing cannot be revealed. Police unions :)


Probably has sealed records and whatnot protecting the previous agencies from wrongdoing if he is a known trouble maker, sociopath, hot head.....

Was probably offered the chance to resign instead of anything going on his permanent record...

It's a bad apple factory.....they just send them through to the next unsuspecting group of citizens.
 
2013-12-08 10:07:56 PM

AgentPothead: Nabb1: AgentPothead: The world won't take you guys seriously until you annex Texas.

Uh, who should annex Texas? It's already part of the US. Are you talking to Mexico?

I don't consider Texas a part of the US. It might be a state, but nothing it does is for the good of the country and everything it does is for the good of itself. I would have no problem at all with a force able takeover of that oil stained sand bucket.


Well, then, you are a farking idiot.  What makes you so high and mighty?  Have you been to Texas?
 
2013-12-08 10:07:58 PM
I've seen a campus cop arrest someone for jaywalking (and trying to walk away from the ticket, lol?).  Don't fark with the rentacops.
 
2013-12-08 10:08:19 PM

LesserEvil: Enemabag Jones: 1-According to records viewed by My San Antonio, Carter has had nine jobs at eight different agencies over his eight-year law enforcement career.

2-According to Pruitt, Carter tried to pull him over on Broadway for driving erratically, despite the fact that Redus was off-campus.

3-Once there, both got out of their cars and some kind of struggle ensued. Pruitt told My San Antonio that Carter radioed for help shortly before Redus was shot.

4-'I didn't hear him say anything like, "Get down on your hands and knees," you know? I didn't hear him say anything. He just started shooting,' the man told KSAT.
'He emptied the gun on him,' he said. 'Boom, boom, boom.'

This one could go either way folks.

9 different jobs in 8 years.

That seems like a big red flag, if I was hiring this guy... for anything, even janitorial services, let alone a job that involves carrying around a firearm.


He's been in the current position for almost 3 years, so it should really read more like "his previous law enforcement experience is comprised of 8 different jobs at seven different agencies over a 5 year period - barely 7 months per job."
 
2013-12-08 10:08:41 PM
I've never shot at anyone before but is it hard to shoot someone to not kill them?
 
2013-12-08 10:10:03 PM
Apparently some cops confuse 'Bad Lieutenant' for a police training video.
 
2013-12-08 10:10:48 PM
Shoot first, ask questions never.
 
2013-12-08 10:11:08 PM

crazyeddie: Don't cry too many crocodile tears for another pretty-boy douche who thinks he's above the law and tries to smart-lip a cop.

Here's a pro-tip:  When a cop tells you to do something, it's not like when your mom shouts something down into the basement.  You have to listen and obey the officer's command.


Yeah, it's not like we have ANY rights. Hell, if a cop walks into your living room and tells you to suck his dick I bet you hit your knees faster than gravity can account for.
 
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