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2013-12-08 11:26:15 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Repo Man: ZeroCorpse: I really don't get all the people who are confounded by the shut down procedure on Win 8... Unless your computer is ten years old, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS PRESS THE POWER BUTTON. Windows and PC hardware have been smart enough to interpret the quick press of the power button as a "shut down safely" command for many years now. You don't need to dig through software menus to shut down. Press the farking button, dumbass.

As has been said before, many computer towers (both in homes and offices) are tucked away where reaching the power button is inconvenient.


Then right click on 8.1 Start and select shut down.


Jeez.




Don't tell me. I'm sitting tight with Win 7 Pro. I've had to set up a couple of laptops with Win 8, and I found it to be annoying and ugly. My primary motive for moving from XP to Win7 a few years ago was that I wanted a 64 bit OS to get full use of the memory I had installed. I skipped Vista, and it looks to me as though I'll be skipping 8.
 
2013-12-08 11:31:21 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The desktop isn't gone or neutered in any way, and it isn't going away. The biggest difference is that you have a full screen program launcher instead of a cascading menu. It's really not that big of a deal.


It is when you have 4 explorer windows, photoshop, illustrator, 3ds Max, Creo viewer, AutoCad, explorer browser, firefox, Zune software, MS Outlook and InDesign open across two screens. Cascading windows are good, and seeing all of them at once is even better (I have a beefy rig at work - 32 GB of ram).
Having everything mashed together or having to guess where something is because only 4 of them can be seen at a time? No thanks.

As I said before, there's play, and then there's work. Colored boxes floating around and searching for things isn't for work. Windows 7 pro 64 bit, TYVM.
 
2013-12-08 11:34:04 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: Of course I run Linux so I don't have these problems. So Na Na Na Na Boo boo. Stick your head in Doo Doo.


So tell me how awesome it is playing the latest, greatest releases of games on that Linux. Call of Duty: Ghosts is pretty awesome, isn't it?
 
2013-12-08 11:34:22 PM  

KRSESQ: Lot of Microsoft shills in here.

When I set up a Windows 8 computer for a client I
1. ask if they want Classic Shell. If the answer is no then
2. I uninstall EVERY Metro app and delete the Windows Store links, then
3. I repopulate that pi$$a$$ start screen with USEFUL items from the All Apps menu, then
4. I create buttons for shutdown, restart, and All Apps and populate the task bar AND start screen.

I am NOT letting my clients waste more than a second with any of that Metro crap. And they thank me by giving my business card to everyone they know.


Because treating them like children and gimping their computers is obviously superior to taking fifteen minutes to show them around how things work in Windows 8...

Granted, it wouldn't be a bad idea to associate desktop apps with any file types that might launch a metro app by default, but IIRC once I installed Opera, Acrobat Reader, and Libre Office no other common file types wanted to load in metro anymore.

I don't understand the reasoning for removing all of the metro apps or the windows store.  I haven't really used the windows store, and while I played around with some of the metro apps after I first installed Windows 8, the only one I actually use is the Music app because that's the only way to interface with Xbox Music on a Windows 8 Phone, and it's not a bad setup.  At least letting people play around in metro to see what it's about and get comfortable with drag to close and switching between screens is a good idea in case they accidentally launch a metro app or want to use one in the future.

Why would you need buttons for shutdown and restart on the task bar and start screen?  Just CTRL-ALT-DELETE and click on the power button looking thingie.

I swear, people are spending 10x the amount of effort trying to work around Windows 8 than they would just embracing it and learning how to use it as designed.
 
2013-12-08 11:38:40 PM  

rewind2846: TuteTibiImperes: The desktop isn't gone or neutered in any way, and it isn't going away. The biggest difference is that you have a full screen program launcher instead of a cascading menu. It's really not that big of a deal.

It is when you have 4 explorer windows, photoshop, illustrator, 3ds Max, Creo viewer, AutoCad, explorer browser, firefox, Zune software, MS Outlook and InDesign open across two screens. Cascading windows are good, and seeing all of them at once is even better (I have a beefy rig at work - 32 GB of ram).
Having everything mashed together or having to guess where something is because only 4 of them can be seen at a time? No thanks.

As I said before, there's play, and then there's work. Colored boxes floating around and searching for things isn't for work. Windows 7 pro 64 bit, TYVM.


You seem to be confusing the limitations for metro apps and desktop apps.   When you're working in the desktop space everything works almost exactly like it did in Windows 7.  You can have all of those open across two screens, with cascading windows, no problem, no limitation to the number of open applications or open windows.

As far as the start screen goes - either take the time to organize it to put your commonly used applications on the first page so they're easy to find every time, or just pin them to the task bar and launch them that way (which basically makes it functionally identical to OSX, which no one seems to have a problem with).
 
2013-12-08 11:41:09 PM  

LasersHurt: Right click the start button. Press start and start typing. There, now you can find everything.


LOL.  Yeah, it's just like DOS or a Unix command shell.  You just have to remember the names of your programs, and type them in.  It's insanely convenient!
 
2013-12-08 11:46:29 PM  
Vista. That is all. I burn my clothes and shower everytime I shut my laptop down. At least I like to pretend it's shut down. But I know it isn't. And it knows it isn't.
 
2013-12-08 11:49:10 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: When you're working in the desktop space everything works almost exactly like it did in Windows 7.


Unless you accidentally start a Metro app.  Then you're all borked again.

You see, everyone loves the different input modes in VI.  It's probably the best part of any editor ever invented.  So Microsoft thought it would be totally awesome if the whole desktop worked that way.  Because reasons!

Seriously, multi-mode desktop is one of the most insanely stupid things I think I've ever seen in a user interface.  The fact that Microsoft released their flagship product with such a stupid feature is evidence that they they have fundamental structural problems as a company.  It would be like Ford releasing a car where sometimes you stop by pressing the brake pedal, and sometimes you stop by pressing a button on the dash.

Of course, if Ford did that, I don't think every single computer bulletin board in the entire world would be filled with people telling us that it's an insanely great feature, and if you're stupid if you don't like it.
 
2013-12-08 11:54:25 PM  

The Larch: TuteTibiImperes: When you're working in the desktop space everything works almost exactly like it did in Windows 7.

Unless you accidentally start a Metro app.  Then you're all borked again.

You see, everyone loves the different input modes in VI.  It's probably the best part of any editor ever invented.  So Microsoft thought it would be totally awesome if the whole desktop worked that way.  Because reasons!

Seriously, multi-mode desktop is one of the most insanely stupid things I think I've ever seen in a user interface.  The fact that Microsoft released their flagship product with such a stupid feature is evidence that they they have fundamental structural problems as a company.  It would be like Ford releasing a car where sometimes you stop by pressing the brake pedal, and sometimes you stop by pressing a button on the dash.

Of course, if Ford did that, I don't think every single computer bulletin board in the entire world would be filled with people telling us that it's an insanely great feature, and if you're stupid if you don't like it.


How do you accidentally start a metro app when you're in the middle of working on the desktop?  I suppose it's possible you could double click a file that's associated with a metro app, but then you change the association for that file type and never have to worry about it again.  Metro doesn't lurk in the shadows waiting to jump out and take over the computer.  Even if you do launch a metro app you just drag it down to close it or mouse over to the bottom left of your screen to return to desktop mode and everything is just as you left it.
 
2013-12-08 11:57:39 PM  
First thing I do with 8 on desktops is to replace the metro PDF reader with Adobe reader for desktop, then add in shortcuts I'm used to, like "My Computer". After that, it's good. I think they should have a configuration option when you're setting it up, to ask if you're on a desktop vs a tablet or touch screen device. If you specify desktop, then it should default PDFs and Webpages to the desktop versions rather than the metro versions.
 
2013-12-09 12:07:08 AM  

skazzytl: First thing I do with 8 on desktops is to replace the metro PDF reader with Adobe reader for desktop, then add in shortcuts I'm used to, like "My Computer". After that, it's good. I think they should have a configuration option when you're setting it up, to ask if you're on a desktop vs a tablet or touch screen device. If you specify desktop, then it should default PDFs and Webpages to the desktop versions rather than the metro versions.




There you go, expecting Microsoft to make a product with the desires of the users in mind again...

"Every beast is driven to the pasture with blows." - Heraclitus
 
2013-12-09 12:11:20 AM  
I don't get all the frustration. I mainly work from the Desktop/ The icon on the lower left corner is for the Start Page, and if I want another program, I just click it. There's no need to scroll over. You can just begin typing the application or function you want, and a list will come up. In a lot of ways, it's much faster and easier than hunting through the old Start Menu and its submenus. You can also drag and drop program you use a lot so that they are the first things you see on the start page.

Yes, there is a bit of a learning curve, but it only took me 45 minutes to get comfortable. And I still hate the ribbon.
 
2013-12-09 12:16:29 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: KRSESQ: Lot of Microsoft shills in here.

When I set up a Windows 8 computer for a client I
1. ask if they want Classic Shell. If the answer is no then
2. I uninstall EVERY Metro app and delete the Windows Store links, then
3. I repopulate that pi$$a$$ start screen with USEFUL items from the All Apps menu, then
4. I create buttons for shutdown, restart, and All Apps and populate the task bar AND start screen.

I am NOT letting my clients waste more than a second with any of that Metro crap. And they thank me by giving my business card to everyone they know.

Because treating them like children and gimping their computers is obviously superior to taking fifteen minutes to show them around how things work in Windows 8...

Granted, it wouldn't be a bad idea to associate desktop apps with any file types that might launch a metro app by default, but IIRC once I installed Opera, Acrobat Reader, and Libre Office no other common file types wanted to load in metro anymore.

I don't understand the reasoning for removing all of the metro apps or the windows store.  I haven't really used the windows store, and while I played around with some of the metro apps after I first installed Windows 8, the only one I actually use is the Music app because that's the only way to interface with Xbox Music on a Windows 8 Phone, and it's not a bad setup.  At least letting people play around in metro to see what it's about and get comfortable with drag to close and switching between screens is a good idea in case they accidentally launch a metro app or want to use one in the future.

Why would you need buttons for shutdown and restart on the task bar and start screen?  Just CTRL-ALT-DELETE and click on the power button looking thingie.

I swear, people are spending 10x the amount of effort trying to work around Windows 8 than they would just embracing it and learning how to use it as designed.


It usually takes two minutes of demonstrating Metro to convince them they want nothing to do with it. And if uninstalling Metro is "gimping" then I'll continue to "gimp" away.

And yes, I sometimes do treat some of my clients like children because 99% of Windows users have the computer understanding of a child. So I'm going to do my best to make things as simple for them as possible.
 
2013-12-09 12:21:10 AM  

haknudsen: Boot times over 4 minutes 1 week after install


Then there's something seriously wrong with either you or your machine. Mine's at about 1 min right now, and it's booting faster than when new.
 
2013-12-09 12:21:16 AM  
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2013-12-09 12:28:46 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.


Try playing a DVD. Microsoft took out the codec because they looked at some metrics that people use YouTube and Netflix a lot. So because you can watch Rebecca Black on YouTube, Microsoft assumes you've thrown out your entire DVD collection.

I seriously wonder if they did any market research or testing (that they listened to) outside of a Microsoft campus.
 
2013-12-09 12:33:06 AM  

KRSESQ: 99% of Windows users have the computer understanding of a child


And this right here shows you have no business working with other people.
 
2013-12-09 12:42:11 AM  
You can fix all of these problems very easily.

Format, install Windows 7.
 
2013-12-09 12:46:08 AM  
andrewagill : That's what they were saying at the time:

It was new and people didn't know how to make it do what they wanted. From that same USENET thread.

-> It's much easier to just open Explorer, and go to windows\start
-> menu\programs\ and simply drag that folder and drop it on the
-> desktop. It will still be on your start menu, but it will be on your
-> desktop too (if it isn't deleted by a system crash).


// a few users in a usenet thread isn't "everyone", also "no one ever" doesn't mean everyone (but I was being facetious). Point is, at least those folks had a reasonable workaround to do what they wanted to do (without having to install 3rd party tools).
 
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2013-12-09 12:47:38 AM  
ZeroCorpse:
Yet none of you botched anywhere near this much about needing to install add-ons to view PDFs, make PDFs, play MKVs, play MP3s, play AAC, play MOV, or open ZIP, 7Z, ARJ, or other archives.

None of which I'd really expect as part of an OS core functionality.
 
2013-12-09 01:09:39 AM  

lordargent: andrewagill : That's what they were saying at the time:

It was new and people didn't know how to make it do what they wanted. From that same USENET thread.

-> It's much easier to just open Explorer, and go to windows\start
-> menu\programs\ and simply drag that folder and drop it on the
-> desktop. It will still be on your start menu, but it will be on your
-> desktop too (if it isn't deleted by a system crash).

// a few users in a usenet thread isn't "everyone", also "no one ever" doesn't mean everyone (but I was being facetious). Point is, at least those folks had a reasonable workaround to do what they wanted to do (without having to install 3rd party tools).


A similar point might be that not everyone hates the Windows 8 start screen, and that they'll get over it.
 
2013-12-09 01:23:47 AM  
Meh. I'm running 8.1. Never use metro. All my apps are open source, installed on my desktop. Almost never have to restart, solid OS, I'm OK with it. But Metro apps suck.
 
2013-12-09 01:56:38 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: KRSESQ: 99% of Windows users have the computer understanding of a child

And this right here shows you have no business working with other people.


Prove me wrong.
 
2013-12-09 02:32:18 AM  
I recently got a new computer to replace the 4 year old netbook that had beer spilled on it. I am enjoying Windows 8, and having a computer that is actually powerful (Skyrim on ultra high settings, fark yeah). The only problem is that I live in Russia, so I bought it here. Apparently it has a single language version of windows 8 installed, so even though it has both an English and Russian keyboard, it absolutely refuses to set the interface language to English. This is even after the language pack is downloaded. I speak enough Russian that it isn't really a problem. and I can simply install the English version of programs, but when I have to dig through settings menus, it takes a little more time.
 
2013-12-09 02:36:18 AM  

KRSESQ: Pokey.Clyde: KRSESQ: 99% of Windows users have the computer understanding of a child

And this right here shows you have no business working with other people.

Prove me wrong.


He didn't say you were "wrong" - he said you are unfit to work with other people, and you just proved that yourself.
Asperger's, ego, and emotional immaturity - the trifecta of IT drones everywhere.
And these people wonder why no one likes them, and why us marketing guys enjoy having them fired on a whim.
 
2013-12-09 02:40:47 AM  
I just built a pc a couple days ago for my wife. I was apprehensive about purchasing Windows 8 because of all the negative flack it has received but then I remembered how whiny people are about the littlest things and a lot of the criticism I'm seeing stems from layout drama queens. Like OMG, they totally changed everything on me. So I dropped $100 to get a Windows 8 Pro OEM disc and upgraded the pc to 8.1. Having used Windows since 95 it was a little awkward to navigate at first but I'm growing quite fond of the start menu in windows 8 (I like how things can be arranged and I generally like to keep my desktop itself minimal). For those of you that want easier access to your control panel - open up the start menu -> click the down arrow -> move the side scroller all the way to the right and right click on Control panel -> pin to start menu. viola! Now you can just press the windows key and have your control panel button right there along with all the other things use like to readily use.

/I'm pleased with the OS
//I still believe Win ME takes the cake as the worst in the series. That is the most rage inducing piece of shiat OS I've ever been subjected to.
 
2013-12-09 02:57:01 AM  
TuteTibiImperes:
First of all, it's not very different from 7 in the desktop mode.  For business use where they'll be rolling out dozens or hundreds of machines all with identically imaged hard drives with the necessary office software already installed and the desktop set up for their business needs, it won't be an issue.

That's not actually how large scale businesses' IT deployments work. It's how they should work, and it's how a lot of them claim they work, but the reality is, it's not how they work. Things like constant driver updates, security updates, hardware changes, multiple configurations, etc etc prevent them from using a single drive image which they deploy en masse. The image needs to be updated and reconfigured so often, you end up maintaining terabytes of images, all with marginally differing images, contents and quality. At the end of the day, a lot of places just reinstall for each new order and trust Group Policy to handle the wrinkles.

As far as security goes, improvements to Windows Defender, Secure Boot, Smart Screen, and future versions of IE that will only run on 8 and above will win the day.  Windows 8 also comes with more tools to allow IT departments to access and manage individual machines remotely.

The biggest enemy of Security is the learning curve of the end user. It's hard to keep your environment hardened when everyone in the accounting department keeps their passwords on a yellow sticky next to their keyboard.

What 8 does is completely throw the user's existing experience out the window, and users need to install third party apps like ClassicShell just to find their way around. As an IT Admin, you have the choice of allowing a potentially risky third party app without a world class security organization behind it, or disallowing it and watching the productivity of your business go into the toilet while your users try to re-learn the new system.

If you disallow the risky third party apps, you're guaranteed to see people sneaking their files onto older (sometimes unsecured) machines just to get back to an environment they can be productive in. They'll find other, riskier shortcuts, too - when their review is tied to productivity, and productivity is down because they can't find the programs they need, users have no problem throwing security out the window and getting back into a familiar environment. They might pull that old XP machine off the junkheap, or use a cloud emulator, put it on a home machine out of the reach of IT, or email docs to a Google account to use Open Office. Users find a way to get to what they need, and if your security is in their way, say goodbye to your security.

You can argue this all you want, but ignoring human nature is like ignoring gravity; doesn't do you much good. When execs start to figure out that 8 = less productivity and less security, they will opt for iPads using OpenOffice instead. You can already see it happening.

It's all a moot point anyway. Ballmer's successor will shiatcan Metro on desktop. Bank on it.
 
2013-12-09 03:04:33 AM  

LasersHurt: Right click the start button.


Ooooh thanks for that, I hadn't tried right clicking that icon.
 
2013-12-09 03:28:13 AM  

Ivo Shandor: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 216x1024]

I prefer Penny Arcade's interpretation (contains unsafe-for-Fark language).


This is much better. (NSFW language)
 
2013-12-09 03:28:23 AM  
The very first day our computers at work get Win 8 will be when I install "Start is Back". Don't have time to master the swiping of corners and dragging my mouse across my desk to close an app.

Will make it boot into desktop and hope to never have to touch that crap until the next OS refresh.
 
2013-12-09 03:51:30 AM  
I know i'm late to the party, but having my first interaction with windows 8.1 today, all I have to say is
img219.imageshack.us
and
i.imgur.com

what a farking abomination :/
 
2013-12-09 04:06:36 AM  

syrynxx: Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.

Try playing a DVD. Microsoft took out the codec because they looked at some metrics that people use YouTube and Netflix a lot. So because you can watch Rebecca Black on YouTube, Microsoft assumes you've thrown out your entire DVD collection.

I seriously wonder if they did any market research or testing (that they listened to) outside of a Microsoft campus.


VLC. Done
 
2013-12-09 04:41:23 AM  

leviosaurus: . Things like constant driver updates, security updates, hardware changes, multiple configurations, etc etc prevent them from using a single drive image which they deploy en masse.


No what happens is that they bulk buy identical machines, ALWAYS use images to install, then roll out patches according to an arbitrary schedule. You want new software or hardware you damned well wait months for a new image to be approved. They end up way behind the times, wasting money by the shovel-full on junk hardware, with people frustrated and limited, with security shiat rolled in months-years too late to be any use etc.. it is a horrible system but they use it rigidly and enforce it on their networks. I know several large corps where you run NOTHING not approved and will be sacked if you do, and the monitoring software WILL notice. The hoops we have to go through to test software we develop for them are insane but their IT nazis give not a fark about the epic waste of money. I just waited 3 weeks and dozens of forms and 3 meetings to change a config file on a server which would fix a lag problem that was costing a retailer money every single day.

I mean there is a middle ground of businesses who do things on the fly most of the time in spite of having policies about images etc, but BIG companies use images and standard machines on a massive scale.
 
2013-12-09 05:35:22 AM  
andrewagill : A similar point might be that not everyone hates the Windows 8 start screen, and that they'll get over it.

Sorry, I work in BI so I follow the data.

Windows 7 adoption is still larger than windows 8 adoption.

http://news.yahoo.com/windows-7-adoption-still-growing-faster-rate-w in dows-180509570.html

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-7-outpacing-windows-8-adoption-shows-la te st-figures-7000021383/

Yeah, there are people who prefer windows 8, but the numbers show windows 7 growing at a faster rate than windows 8.

// there are also people who like getting tied up and kicked in the balls. I'm not saying that people who like windows 8 also like to get kicked in the balls, or that using windows 8 is like getting kicked in the balls. But I'm being facetious to point out the fallacy of the "not everyone hates x" argument.

There are always going to be some number of people who like x. And there are always going to be some number of people who dislike x. That doesn't necessarily make either viewpoint invalid as long as those opinions are backed up by some logic.

// As for me, I didn't even like windows 7, I jumped from XP to Linux about 5 years ago (first on a laptop, but then rest of the machines) so I don't even have a horse in the Windows 7 Vs Windows 8 race.

// Interestingly enough, I run an older version of Ubuntu ... because I don't like some of the changes they made in the newer version. On the flip side, when Windows XP came out, I dumped windows 98 like a bad habit.
 
2013-12-09 05:58:30 AM  

xria: Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.

Well, you also have to replace several other things, like get a pdf viewer other than the inbuilt one, so that you don't double click something and it goes into idiot mode.


My personal favorite was Windows trying to get me to use an app for rar files. With no simple way to do more than one at a time, or to choose the next file without leaving the Metro interface each time.
 
2013-12-09 06:14:00 AM  

dangelder:


So much this.

I actually considered using Windows 8 as my Bootcamp install on my new iMac because of the support for gestures (I use a trackpad), but. Mom's computer has 8 and I fight with it nonstop. Meanwhile I went from not using Windows since XP to using 7 with maybe half an hour of adjusting.

What I find a bit strange is that there's a program selection screen similar to Metro in the newest OS X that I actually like. I think the difference is that it looks more like a desktop icon grid than Metro's color grid, and it doesn't flash or change or try to shove me into a store. Also I've never triggered it when I didn't intend to.
 
2013-12-09 06:24:15 AM  

leviosaurus: It's all a moot point anyway. Ballmer's successor will shiatcan Metro on desktop. Bank on it.


I think so. Even relatively adaptive, flexible* people like myself can see that Metro is pointless on the desktop - it's for pads or phones, and it's simply an impediment in the desktop environment. It needs to be made easy to completely turn off, and default to using regular apps that work on the desktop.
I can use a Windows 8 machine fine, and won't bother to downgrade the PCs I own that came with it. But it annoys me to have to do battle with an OS's GUI for a quarter of an hour before it's usable to me.

* I'm a home user - I can indulge myself in being flexible - what this shiat is doing to guys working in enterprise, I don't want to know about.
It's got to be seppuku-tier shiat.
 
2013-12-09 06:35:03 AM  

jso2897: leviosaurus: It's all a moot point anyway. Ballmer's successor will shiatcan Metro on desktop. Bank on it.

I think so. Even relatively adaptive, flexible* people like myself can see that Metro is pointless on the desktop - it's for pads or phones, and it's simply an impediment in the desktop environment. It needs to be made easy to completely turn off, and default to using regular apps that work on the desktop


totally agree. I can't work out why they didn't just put any enhancements from 7 into Windows 8, then add the metro shiat and repackage it as Windows Swipe\Metro\Fingered for the tablet\phone market.
 
2013-12-09 07:02:52 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: jso2897: KRSESQ: Pokey.Clyde: KRSESQ: 99% of Windows users have the computer understanding of a child

And this right here shows you have no business working with other people.

Prove me wrong.

He didn't say you were "wrong" - he said you are unfit to work with other people, and you just proved that yourself.
Asperger's, ego, and emotional immaturity - the trifecta of IT drones everywhere.
And these people wonder why no one likes them, and why us marketing guys enjoy having them fired on a whim.

you forgot... and beg them to come back to fix my printer issue.


No. Just hire another one for $17.20 an hour. Anyway, that nerd shiat was already ending when I retired back in '05.
The guys we were putting in charge in IT were guys who knew how to dress and bathe and had good manners and sales-oriented habits.
Nerds are unnecessary - any job can be done now by normal, effective people.
 
2013-12-09 07:26:38 AM  
I don't understand the hatred. I've been on windows since 3.1 and I haven't used the start menu for anything more than search since 7.  The start menu was a dinosaur that was long past its prime. Pin your most common programs to the task bar, use the search function. It's faster, easier, cleaner, and just plain better.
 
2013-12-09 07:40:35 AM  

FoxKelfonne: Babwa Wawa: hardinparamedic: To be quite honest, if you have a windows genuine sticker on your laptop, you can download the ISO corresponding to that and, using that CD Key, be perfectly legal.

Interesting.  I've never tried that.  Does it activate OK using Microsoft's servers?

Not quite the case. A lot of times the installs used for OEM laptops are special OEM versions, so you would need a specific image to use the key on your laptop. This was a real pain when I was working the student help desk through college, because we'd have the college's Win XP disc, but the keys on the student laptops were specific to Dell , HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc, so we'd always have to ask the students to bring their discs for their computer if they had them.


Just did this (reinstalled from an ISO on a HP Laptop that had no disk) last week. I used the code from the bottom of the laptop as the key. I still had to call Microsoft to activate, but it was all automated and worked fine. Pain in the ass typing all those numbers correctly, though.
 
2013-12-09 07:42:07 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.


I will bet that many corporate environments will balk at the idea of installing freeware on their computers because of security concerns.

I hate that MS moves things around or changes things for basically no good reason as I've better things to do than relearning what I already know how to do. Maybe the old way is clunky and not as efficient or elegant as possible but I know how to poke and prod it to do what I want. MS isn't making people more productive with their changes.
 
2013-12-09 07:44:32 AM  

Befuddled: I hate that MS moves things around or changes things for basically no good reason


Would you really keep the old style start menu on a touch enabled device?
 
2013-12-09 07:48:48 AM  
A requirement of all new Windows 8/8.1 users is to download "Startisback" which restores full functionality of Windows.  If this program (or others like it) didn't exist, I would have switched to a Mac.

Startisback not only restores the start button, with a real start menu, the search actually works as well. It also eliminates the hot corners and charms bar

Unfortunately, I think for whatever Windows 9 is going to be, Microsoft will probably hard-code it so Metro becomes the primary interface, with no possible work around.

A friend of mine worked at Microsoft for almost a decade till last month.  Put it this way, if Microsoft didn't have untold Billions to burn through, it would be on incredibly thin ice right now.
 
2013-12-09 07:52:49 AM  

hardinparamedic: Odoriferous Queef: Of course I run Linux so I don't have these problems. So Na Na Na Na Boo boo. Stick your head in Doo Doo.

So tell me how awesome it is playing the latest, greatest releases of games on that Linux. Call of Duty: Ghosts is pretty awesome, isn't it?


Don't know. Haven't picked it up.  Call of duty 5 runs quite well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8NFM1kaQYY

Heh.
 
2013-12-09 07:53:33 AM  
Buy a MacBook Pro. Problem solved.

/your welcome!
 
2013-12-09 08:06:32 AM  
Fix It: If you want to shut down more quickly, simply right click on the desktop and select Shortcut from the New menu. Then enter the command "shutdown /s /t 0" into the dialog box that appears and click Next.

Or just right-click the start button and then click shutdown...

If if you're going to biatch about Windows 8.1's problems, you probably shouldn't tell people how to "fix" one of the few problems from 8 that was actually addressed....
 
2013-12-09 08:07:59 AM  
I like windows 8.
 
2013-12-09 08:09:07 AM  

Pick: Buy a MacBook Pro. Problem solved.

/your welcome!


well, then give me my welcome back, thief.
 
2013-12-09 08:10:18 AM  

Bubblegum Tate: we just got my mom and dad a laptop for xmas to act as their new family computer, and I can tell I'm going to have to spend a full day running triage just to get it to a point where my dad can even use it.  Their current PC runs XP.


I feel your pain. Visited the in-laws over T-giving and they had just bought a new computer with 8. They can barely use the XP-loaded system they already call me weekly about. (How do we do such-and-such? What does such-and-such mean?) I'm gonna have to turn off my phone the day they get that SOB hooked up and turned on.
 
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