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2013-12-08 08:26:28 PM  
When you get right down to it, the biggest problem with Windows 8+ is the damn Microsoft app store. It's simply terrible. Look through it and almost nothing is rated more than 2 stars.

I will give MS credit though. The Surface Pro 2 is a damn nice laptop, too bad they're marketing it as a tablet.
 
2013-12-08 08:31:33 PM  

Pichu0102: Microsoft is reaaaallly trying to kill their cash cows recently, aren't they?


I think Mac has a few agents deep undercover.
 
2013-12-08 08:31:49 PM  
I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.
 
2013-12-08 08:32:48 PM  

Pichu0102: Microsoft is reaaaallly trying to kill their cash cows recently, aren't they?


Like when Heinz got deep sixed from McDonald's.
 
2013-12-08 08:44:38 PM  
I found the suggestion about "Search does not find all your files"helpful. It was annoying the sh*t out of me, but I never got around to looking for the fix. Problem solved.
 
2013-12-08 08:52:43 PM  
I feel like that if Microsoft doesn't annoy me by hiding everything or moving it somewhere hard to find, they're really not doing their jobs.  Then they go out of their way to make it ugly too.
 
2013-12-08 08:53:45 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.


All people need to do is install Windows 7.
 
2013-12-08 08:54:55 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.


Exactly. Hell, boot time alone is worth having to spend a couple of minutes installing a start menu replacement.
 
2013-12-08 08:56:17 PM  

Rincewind53: Ugh.  I just got a new laptop from a Black Friday deal on NewEgg, and it came with 8.

I almost shot myself dealing with frustrations. It treats me like I am a child, and hides all deep functionality from me. I've been using Windows since 3.1, so by this time I'm a goddamn power user. But suddenly I feel like a complete idiot. I spent almost two minutes searching for the goddamn Windows Update. I had to go online to figure out where the hell the Control Panel was stored.

8.1 is a slight improvement, and now that I've set it to boot to Desktop and reinstalled the  actual start button, things have gone from teeth-grinding frustration to mere occasional annoyance. But then I find out that the default PDF reader is an "app" and shunts me over into the entirely different Metro closed-garden system, and I get annoyed all over again.


8.1 came on my new laptop too

I think it was there. Immediately wiped it and put linux on it.

Prob ought to get the disk for 8 from MS since I paid for it.
 
2013-12-08 08:56:57 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I feel like that if Microsoft doesn't annoy me by hiding everything or moving it somewhere hard to find, they're really not doing their jobs.  Then they go out of their way to make it ugly too.


Right click the start button. Press start and start typing. There, now you can find everything.
 
2013-12-08 09:05:02 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.


Well, you also have to replace several other things, like get a pdf viewer other than the inbuilt one, so that you don't double click something and it goes into idiot mode.
 
2013-12-08 09:06:33 PM  
Can anyone explain why it takes 10 minutes to add a user?  Or why it bothers "installing" "apps" when you add a user?  Or what's up with the "just doing stuff, give me a few minutes" at the end of the user add?

Or why the 8.1 upgrade didn't allow me to use my previous user's login?  I literally had to delete my account and add a new one after the upgrade.  I'm never going to provide a mere operating system vendor with my real email address, let alone let them set me up one on their servers.  This is a home computer, I don't want any other windows products, will never get a cripple-ware phone or tablet and therefore will never ever need to share settings.

And I don't think it'd work even if I tried, because Microsoft just doesn't have any idea how to do anything complex like that.
 
2013-12-08 09:08:41 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Rincewind53: I'm seriously considering downgrading. Yes, it'll cost me some money, but honestly I don't think that's such a big deal. I'm going to give Windows 8 about a month until I get used to it, and then I'll decide. Right now my anger has turned down to just a low simmer, so I see positive things in the future.

Don't downgrade.  I run 8.1 on my desktop, 7 in my work virtual machine.  I spend the majority of my time in Win7.  8 is better in almost every sense.  I've not bothered with a start menu replacement - I just took a couple minutes to arrange it in a way that makes sense for me.  It got a lot better when I realized you can just start typing while in the start menu to bring up any damned program you please.

xanadian: 8 sucks for power users and admins; seems OK for the technologically-impaired.

Really?  A full blown server-class hypervisor built in, boot times under 10 seconds (on an 18 month old install), FAR improved multi-monitor support, and it sucks?


Boot times over 4 minutes 1 week after install, multi-monitor support where IE changes zoom level based on what monitor you are looking at it on and sometimes just randomly changes zoom if you open a new tab.  You talking that kind of functionality?
 
2013-12-08 09:16:01 PM  
we just got my mom and dad a laptop for xmas to act as their new family computer, and I can tell I'm going to have to spend a full day running triage just to get it to a point where my dad can even use it.  Their current PC runs XP.
 
2013-12-08 09:17:29 PM  

FoxKelfonne: Babwa Wawa: hardinparamedic: To be quite honest, if you have a windows genuine sticker on your laptop, you can download the ISO corresponding to that and, using that CD Key, be perfectly legal.

Interesting.  I've never tried that.  Does it activate OK using Microsoft's servers?

Not quite the case. A lot of times the installs used for OEM laptops are special OEM versions, so you would need a specific image to use the key on your laptop. This was a real pain when I was working the student help desk through college, because we'd have the college's Win XP disc, but the keys on the student laptops were specific to Dell , HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc, so we'd always have to ask the students to bring their discs for their computer if they had them.




The college's disk was almost certainly a volume license key version of XP Pro. If the laptop had a COA for OEM XP Home, in my experience any OEM Home XP disk would work with it. This has also been my experience with Vista, and Windows 7. You have to be sure to get the ISO that matches your key.
 
2013-12-08 09:19:01 PM  
OMG EVERYTHING IS RUINED FOREVER!
 
2013-12-08 09:20:47 PM  
Having used it a bit, lately, I don't really see the difference between the Start Menu and the Tiles. I use them both the same way- I press the Windows key and type what I want to launch. They're both shiatty, just in differently shiatty ways.
 
2013-12-08 09:21:07 PM  

LasersHurt: Right click the start button. Press start and start typing. There, now you can find everything.


OR... click the start button and all your programs are laid out in a list, no typing needed.
No "finding" anything, no keyboard necessary.
I don't need for my OS to hide things from me. Every second I have to look for something is a second I'm not doing what I need to do. Stay out of my way and let me work.
 
2013-12-08 09:23:23 PM  
kroonermanblack:
Are there any linux distros that aren't shiat, have drivers, and are as easy to use as Windows XP or 7 were?  I don't really enjoy using computers, so I don't want to deal with...anything.  I just want an OS that runs stable, relatively quick, and lets me browse and/or watch netflix (Note: this laptop is strictly for living room 'looking shiat up' use, with the rare travel use).

OSX.  And I say this as a guy that makes his living supporting windows systems.  Some people want to tweak their car to do better in the quarter mile- some just want to get in, fire it up, and go get bread from the store, with nothing more complicated than putting in gas and the occasional oil change.  You're in the latter category.
 
2013-12-08 09:25:29 PM  

t3knomanser: I don't really see the difference between the Start Menu and the Tiles


One breaks away from your current context entirely, and takes up the fullscreen, whereas the other...well...doesn't.

<i>I use them both the same way- I press the Windows key and type what I want to launch. </i>

In Windows 7, doing this searches everything. In Windows 8, it defaults to one subset of three and you have to manually click or tab to the next set - of three.

For no reason other than some users being incapable of telling the difference between applications and documents. Because having both on one screen with a heading is too hard, I guess.

8.1 supposedly fixes that but startisback does it better...with customization.
 
2013-12-08 09:26:59 PM  

unyon: OSX.


The second he gets directed to using the App Store to download something, he'll despise the OS forevermore.

I'm still shocked that they package that garbage with their machines.
 
2013-12-08 09:34:10 PM  

rewind2846: LasersHurt: Right click the start button. Press start and start typing. There, now you can find everything.

OR... click the start button and all your programs are laid out in a list, no typing needed.
No "finding" anything, no keyboard necessary.
I don't need for my OS to hide things from me. Every second I have to look for something is a second I'm not doing what I need to do. Stay out of my way and let me work.


It's laid out in a nested list that requires mousework. And in previous versions you could ALSO begin typing. It's absolutely no slower and no more hidden.

I get liking it just the way it always was, but it's not harder or more hidden. It's objectively not. You just don't like the change. That's a totally valid opinion, but don't pretend its something else.
 
2013-12-08 09:35:00 PM  

unyon: kroonermanblack:
Are there any linux distros that aren't shiat, have drivers, and are as easy to use as Windows XP or 7 were?  I don't really enjoy using computers, so I don't want to deal with...anything.  I just want an OS that runs stable, relatively quick, and lets me browse and/or watch netflix (Note: this laptop is strictly for living room 'looking shiat up' use, with the rare travel use).

OSX.  And I say this as a guy that makes his living supporting windows systems.  Some people want to tweak their car to do better in the quarter mile- some just want to get in, fire it up, and go get bread from the store, with nothing more complicated than putting in gas and the occasional oil change.  You're in the latter category.


Uh, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm not in the mood to pay 2000$ or more for a laptop when I have one which I just want to make work a bit better.  Plus I have an Iphone and have owned Ipods.  I'm not remotely interested in buying into the Apple architecture. I can't really stand it as is, despite enjoying my phone enough to stay with that product line.
 
2013-12-08 09:40:28 PM  

kroonermanblack: A) Does anyone know where I can get some sort of clean-install version of windows 8? Bear in mind when you buy laptops now you DO NOT get a windows disc, so I've got no clue/method to install a new copy legally...


You could try this I suppose

Someone upthread suggested Debian stable. While I love Debian and use it wherever I can, you won't be able to [easily] use Netflix on it unfortunately. But for most anything else it should be fine
 
2013-12-08 09:47:07 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: That lock screen... I still find it mind-boggling that Window boots to a lock screen, even when you have no touch devices installed.


You never used Windows NT then? It was like that, but you had to Ctrl-Alt-Del before typing in your password, rather than clicking the mouse or pressing a key, as you do with Windows 8. Welcome to new, crazy way of logging in, from 1994.

Back to the other posts (too numerous to quote) bemoaning the radical Windows 8 UI. What are you people on?

"The Start Screen is icky". Don't use, Windows 8.1 allows you to boot to the desktop. Other then the square corners and lack of Aero, it's identical to the Windows 7 desktop.

"I need a Start Button". Really, why? How many programs do you use on a regular basis? I doubt it's more than 30, which is how many I can pin to my task bar. Still not enough for you, pin to the desktop, that's more like 300 shortcuts. That too cluttered for you? Learn to search: WinKey+S and type in what you want.

"Businesses will need to retrain all their staff". My dad is a 75 year old Luddite, and it took me 5 minutes to walk him through Windows 8 after 10 years of using XP. I find it hard to believe that anyone with an IQ above room temperature will need retraining because the Start Menu isn't there anymore?

I'm so glad I wasn't on the internet when Windows 95 came out. "Where's Program Manager? What the hell is the Start Button?"
 
2013-12-08 09:47:22 PM  

NateAsbestos: kroonermanblack: A) Does anyone know where I can get some sort of clean-install version of windows 8? Bear in mind when you buy laptops now you DO NOT get a windows disc, so I've got no clue/method to install a new copy legally...

You could try this I suppose

Someone upthread suggested Debian stable. While I love Debian and use it wherever I can, you won't be able to [easily] use Netflix on it unfortunately. But for most anything else it should be fine




While that's a useful link, it isn't what he needs; that's an 8.1 upgrade ISO. This is what he needs: How To Download Windows 8 ISO (x86 / x64) File Officially From Microsoft.
 
2013-12-08 09:50:16 PM  

tomcatadam: unyon: OSX.

The second he gets directed to using the App Store to download something, he'll despise the OS forevermore.

I'm still shocked that they package that garbage with their machines.


Who ever said you HAD to use the app store. It's there if you want to use it. Otherwise, you just do what you have always done. I've never once been "directed" to use the app store to download something. Certainly not when I'm on some web page somewhere and click a download link. The only things I've used the OSX app store for so far have been to get OS upgrades and I also bought Pages on there. That's it.
 
2013-12-08 10:00:00 PM  
So. Laptop. On the road, have internet maybe a couple times a week thru public wifi. Basic web surfing, accessing web hosting control panels, working with libre office and other basis stuff.

No touchscreen. One monitor. No peripherals other than memory sticks.

What is a good option to Windows for someone without the consistent internet access (other than thru prepaid smartphone so no non-mobile sites) but who was competent at previous Windows?

I just want to be able to surf, write books and screenplays and maintain basic websites. All the crap with "modern" OS's mean nothing except for security. I need options. Suggestions?
 
2013-12-08 10:01:28 PM  

TheManWho: You never used Windows NT then? It was like that, but you had to Ctrl-Alt-Del before typing in your password, rather than clicking the mouse or pressing a key, as you do with Windows 8. Welcome to new, crazy way of logging in, from 1994.


That served a purpose.  C/A/D is a non-maskable interrupt, so you knew that you were looking at an authentic login prompt after hitting that combination.

A lock screen on a non-touch system is completely superfluous.
 
2013-12-08 10:03:00 PM  

LasersHurt: I get liking it just the way it always was, but it's not harder or more hidden. It's objectively not. You just don't like the change. That's a totally valid opinion, but don't pretend its something else.


Change I have no issue with. I've been using windows since 3.11 for workgroups on a '386 machine, and I'm sure there are those here who have been using it even longer than that. The issue is that change for the sake of change and not because that change is smarter or better is a waste.

Tablet OSes belong on tablets, desktop OSes belong on desktops. If Microsoft wanted to appeal to both types of users with the same OS, then it would have been a simple enough matter to include all the parts of the OS that are actually better (the engine) without changing the interface (the dashboard) from right to left hand drive "just because". Make it faster, make it more stable, but leave the parts that aren't broken alone.

How to solve this? Use the guts of windows 8. Upon installation, let the user choose between interfaces, either a full win7 or 8.1. If they want to switch to either one put the install disc in, make your choice, reboot. Done.

Change for the better is smart. Change "just because" is stupid. This was stupid, and why Windows 7 still outpaces 8 and 8.1 in user adoption and growth. Hopefully they will have learned something with windows 9.
 
2013-12-08 10:05:05 PM  

rewind2846: LasersHurt: I get liking it just the way it always was, but it's not harder or more hidden. It's objectively not. You just don't like the change. That's a totally valid opinion, but don't pretend its something else.

Change I have no issue with. I've been using windows since 3.11 for workgroups on a '386 machine, and I'm sure there are those here who have been using it even longer than that. The issue is that change for the sake of change and not because that change is smarter or better is a waste.

Tablet OSes belong on tablets, desktop OSes belong on desktops. If Microsoft wanted to appeal to both types of users with the same OS, then it would have been a simple enough matter to include all the parts of the OS that are actually better (the engine) without changing the interface (the dashboard) from right to left hand drive "just because". Make it faster, make it more stable, but leave the parts that aren't broken alone.

How to solve this? Use the guts of windows 8. Upon installation, let the user choose between interfaces, either a full win7 or 8.1. If they want to switch to either one put the install disc in, make your choice, reboot. Done.

Change for the better is smart. Change "just because" is stupid. This was stupid, and why Windows 7 still outpaces 8 and 8.1 in user adoption and growth. Hopefully they will have learned something with windows 9.




I agree with this post.
 
2013-12-08 10:13:08 PM  
You know, I remember when the start menu came out.  Everybody hated it.  It forced you to use one widget to access everything on your computer,  creating a huge bottleneck.

Apparently, people got over it and now they like it so much that they want it back.

(Truth be told, the Start Screen is even more of a bottleneck, as it forces you to leave your work for another screen, and then come back later)

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-08 10:25:10 PM  

Bubblegum Tate: we just got my mom and dad a laptop for xmas to act as their new family computer, and I can tell I'm going to have to spend a full day running triage just to get it to a point where my dad can even use it.  Their current PC runs XP.


Install Classic Shell. It adds back all the XP functions and you can turn off any or all of the 8 hot spots etc if you want.
 
2013-12-08 10:32:52 PM  

rewind2846: LasersHurt: I get liking it just the way it always was, but it's not harder or more hidden. It's objectively not. You just don't like the change. That's a totally valid opinion, but don't pretend its something else.

Change I have no issue with. I've been using windows since 3.11 for workgroups on a '386 machine, and I'm sure there are those here who have been using it even longer than that. The issue is that change for the sake of change and not because that change is smarter or better is a waste.

Tablet OSes belong on tablets, desktop OSes belong on desktops. If Microsoft wanted to appeal to both types of users with the same OS, then it would have been a simple enough matter to include all the parts of the OS that are actually better (the engine) without changing the interface (the dashboard) from right to left hand drive "just because". Make it faster, make it more stable, but leave the parts that aren't broken alone.

How to solve this? Use the guts of windows 8. Upon installation, let the user choose between interfaces, either a full win7 or 8.1. If they want to switch to either one put the install disc in, make your choice, reboot. Done.

Change for the better is smart. Change "just because" is stupid. This was stupid, and why Windows 7 still outpaces 8 and 8.1 in user adoption and growth. Hopefully they will have learned something with windows 9.


I think MS is trying to get ahead of what they see as a world where the lines between desktops, laptops, tablets, and smart phones will continue to blur.  They wanted to design one interface that you could use across all of your devices to make that transition seamless.

Really, Windows 8 isn't bad once you get used to it.  Hitting the windows key and typing the name of what you're looking for is just as fast, if not faster, than using the start menu, and you can spend all of your time in the desktop without ever using a single metro app if you so desire.

That being said, some of the Metro apps aren't bad.  I've been using the Xbox Music app, and it's pretty nice.
 
2013-12-08 10:40:39 PM  
andrewagill : You know, I remember when the start menu came out. Everybody hated it. It forced you to use one widget to access everything on your computer, creating a huge bottleneck.

Said nobody ever since they could put icons on the desktop.
 
2013-12-08 10:42:46 PM  
Microsoft just wants to play with you, daddy.....
 
2013-12-08 10:54:24 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I think MS is trying to get ahead of what they see as a world where the lines between desktops, laptops, tablets, and smart phones will continue to blur. They wanted to design one interface that you could use across all of your devices to make that transition seamless.


And there is the problem. Tablets and smartphones and to some extent laptops are primarily used to CONSUME media. Desktops are used primarily to CREATE media. I would never try to build 3d models, render animation, or edit renders or video on my laptop or tablet or smartphone, even though the laptop is fast enough.
To playback avi, mpeg or other media files, those devices work great. Not so much with Photoshop.

Two different devices with two different uses, require two different paradigms. The same OS and interface does not apply, and the microbrains at Microsoft failed to realize this. I don't need for the lines to "blur" any more than I want all my food to taste the same.
You can run the Boston Marathon in penny loafers, but would it be a good idea? One size does not fit all.
 
2013-12-08 11:01:01 PM  

rewind2846: TuteTibiImperes: I think MS is trying to get ahead of what they see as a world where the lines between desktops, laptops, tablets, and smart phones will continue to blur. They wanted to design one interface that you could use across all of your devices to make that transition seamless.

And there is the problem. Tablets and smartphones and to some extent laptops are primarily used to CONSUME media. Desktops are used primarily to CREATE media. I would never try to build 3d models, render animation, or edit renders or video on my laptop or tablet or smartphone, even though the laptop is fast enough.
To playback avi, mpeg or other media files, those devices work great. Not so much with Photoshop.

Two different devices with two different uses, require two different paradigms. The same OS and interface does not apply, and the microbrains at Microsoft failed to realize this. I don't need for the lines to "blur" any more than I want all my food to taste the same.
You can run the Boston Marathon in penny loafers, but would it be a good idea? One size does not fit all.


True, different use cases, but once you've launched Maya, Pro Tools, or Photoshop on a Windows 8 desktop it works exactly the same way it does on a Windows 7 desktop.  Desktop apps work like desktop apps in Windows 8.  The desktop isn't gone or neutered in any way, and it isn't going away.  The biggest difference is that you have a full screen program launcher instead of a cascading menu.  It's really not that big of a deal.

Also, while they're different devices today, in another five to ten years, they might not be.  The future might well hold one device that you dock in different ways for different uses.  The core device may be a phone, which you can slip into a larger screen with a cradle to be a tablet, which can have a keyboard attachment with more ports, a storage drive, and an extended battery to turn it into a laptop, which can be docked into another station with keyboard attachments, external drives, and a larger monitor to be a desktop.

MS is trying to get ahead of the game.
 
kab
2013-12-08 11:07:09 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.


Probably because people don't feel like they should need to install an add-on to make an OS behave the way they expect it to right out of the box.
 
2013-12-08 11:09:09 PM  
I really don't get all the people who are confounded by the shut down procedure on Win 8... Unless your computer is ten years old, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS PRESS THE POWER BUTTON. Windows and PC hardware have been smart enough to interpret the quick press of the power button as a "shut down safely" command for many years now. You don't need to dig through software menus to shut down. Press the farking button, dumbass.
 
2013-12-08 11:10:45 PM  
I went back to 7.. I stuck with 8 since release and through 8.1 but the incompatibility with a lot of stuff because developers are so slow to adapt was killing me and annoying.  It also loves to access the drive to entirely too much when idle with some cache service. I'd also see defrag service running when idle a lot even though I have it setup for weekly defrags only.. All was dandy until 8.1..

It's a fine OS but 8.1 seemed to make it flaky in a lot of regards..
 
2013-12-08 11:12:34 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: MS is trying to get ahead of the game.


And failing miserably by completely ignoring that different people have different needs and that what works in one setting may be wholly pants on head retarded in another.
 
2013-12-08 11:14:48 PM  

kab: Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.

Probably because people don't feel like they should need to install an add-on to make an OS behave the way they expect it to right out of the box.



Yet none of you botched anywhere near this much about needing to install add-ons to view PDFs, make PDFs, play MKVs, play MP3s, play AAC, play MOV, or open ZIP, 7Z, ARJ, or other archives.

But one tiny add-on for Win 8 makes you all feel cheated somehow. Hypocrites.

/stopped using Classic Shell once I learned that Win 8 Start search was faster.
 
2013-12-08 11:15:21 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I really don't get all the people who are confounded by the shut down procedure on Win 8... Unless your computer is ten years old, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS PRESS THE POWER BUTTON. Windows and PC hardware have been smart enough to interpret the quick press of the power button as a "shut down safely" command for many years now. You don't need to dig through software menus to shut down. Press the farking button, dumbass.




As has been said before, many computer towers (both in homes and offices) are tucked away where reaching the power button is inconvenient.
 
2013-12-08 11:16:22 PM  

ZeroCorpse: kab: Some Bass Playing Guy: I really don't get all the hate. All people need to do is install a start menu replacement that Win8 works exactly like Win7, except with a bunch of under the hood improvements.

Probably because people don't feel like they should need to install an add-on to make an OS behave the way they expect it to right out of the box.


Yet none of you biatched anywhere near this much about needing to install add-ons to view PDFs, make PDFs, play MKVs, play MP3s, play AAC, play MOV, or open ZIP, 7Z, ARJ, or other archives.

But one tiny add-on for Win 8 makes you all feel cheated somehow. Hypocrites.

/stopped using Classic Shell once I learned that Win 8 Start search was faster.


spellcheck grumble grumble
 
2013-12-08 11:17:39 PM  

Repo Man: ZeroCorpse: I really don't get all the people who are confounded by the shut down procedure on Win 8... Unless your computer is ten years old, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS PRESS THE POWER BUTTON. Windows and PC hardware have been smart enough to interpret the quick press of the power button as a "shut down safely" command for many years now. You don't need to dig through software menus to shut down. Press the farking button, dumbass.

As has been said before, many computer towers (both in homes and offices) are tucked away where reaching the power button is inconvenient.



Then right click on 8.1 Start and select shut down.


Jeez.
 
2013-12-08 11:19:46 PM  

lordargent: andrewagill : You know, I remember when the start menu came out. Everybody hated it. It forced you to use one widget to access everything on your computer, creating a huge bottleneck.

Said nobody ever since they could put icons on the desktop.


That's what they were saying at the time:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.os2.misc/0LC7ITIrwuM/xeQYu8d pH HQJ
 
2013-12-08 11:21:45 PM  

WhyteRaven74: TuteTibiImperes: MS is trying to get ahead of the game.

And failing miserably by completely ignoring that different people have different needs and that what works in one setting may be wholly pants on head retarded in another.


The biggest interface change is the program launcher, which, while looking different, isn't functionally inferior to the start menu, I really don't see what the big deal is.
 
2013-12-08 11:24:23 PM  
Lot of Microsoft shills in here.

When I set up a Windows 8 computer for a client I
1. ask if they want Classic Shell. If the answer is no then
2. I uninstall EVERY Metro app and delete the Windows Store links, then
3. I repopulate that pi$$a$$ start screen with USEFUL items from the All Apps menu, then
4. I create buttons for shutdown, restart, and All Apps and populate the task bar AND start screen.

I am NOT letting my clients waste more than a second with any of that Metro crap. And they thank me by giving my business card to everyone they know.
 
2013-12-08 11:25:44 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I really don't get all the people who are confounded by the shut down procedure on Win 8... Unless your computer is ten years old, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS PRESS THE POWER BUTTON. Windows and PC hardware have been smart enough to interpret the quick press of the power button as a "shut down safely" command for many years now. You don't need to dig through software menus to shut down. Press the farking button, dumbass.


Wow.  I didn't know that.  Just updated to Win 8.1 and didn't know that was a feature.

\thanks for the info, Zero.
 
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