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2013-12-08 01:52:33 PM
The article doesn't present any evidence about the racial makeup of open source contributors; since open source is global, the statistics for US developers are not going to be representative. NPR seems to think all programmers are in the US which is a very alien idea to anybody who works in the industry.
 
2013-12-08 02:23:29 PM
Everyone knows that white people code like this - "I like open source"
while black people code like this - "Yo, where am dat watty melon".

Don't worry, with an article as stupid as this about a topic as boring as this, no way it'll go green. My stupid racist joke shall never be seen.
 
2013-12-08 03:41:45 PM

itcamefromschenectady: The article doesn't present any evidence about the racial makeup of open source contributors; since open source is global, the statistics for US developers are not going to be representative. NPR seems to think all programmers are in the US which is a very alien idea to anybody who works in the industry.


I find it a bit of a stretch to think that this article was talking about anything other than the U.S. industry. You'd have to read something into it that was really not there if you think the article was discussing the global market. If you look at any of the statistics linked in the article, they are pretty much all studies of Americans in tech.

Slaxl: Don't worry, with an article as stupid as this about a topic as boring as this, no way it'll go green. My stupid racist joke shall never be seen.


The point of the article is that open-source isn't a necessarily viable option for programmers of color because of a number of reasons, and therefore the industry-wide push to get more people with open-source background may actually lead to even fewer minority coders, rather than democratizing it as open source claims to do.
 
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2013-12-08 04:06:01 PM
We should note that while white developers were overrepresented, so were Asian-Americans.

You know who else considered some Asians honorary white people?
 
2013-12-08 04:27:48 PM

Rincewind53: itcamefromschenectady: The article doesn't present any evidence about the racial makeup of open source contributors; since open source is global, the statistics for US developers are not going to be representative. NPR seems to think all programmers are in the US which is a very alien idea to anybody who works in the industry.

I find it a bit of a stretch to think that this article was talking about anything other than the U.S. industry. You'd have to read something into it that was really not there if you think the article was discussing the global market. If you look at any of the statistics linked in the article, they are pretty much all studies of Americans in tech.


I don't think you're disagreeing with me. They generalized based on the US to the "Open Source Community" which is not just the US.
 
2013-12-08 04:32:21 PM

itcamefromschenectady: I don't think you're disagreeing with me. They generalized based on the US to the "Open Source Community" which is not just the US.


Oh sure. Using statistics of GitHub and F/LOSS as a measure of the  U.S. open source demographics isn't particularly valid, I'll agree.
 
2013-12-08 04:44:38 PM

Rincewind53: itcamefromschenectady: I don't think you're disagreeing with me. They generalized based on the US to the "Open Source Community" which is not just the US.

Oh sure. Using statistics of GitHub and F/LOSS as a measure of the  U.S. open source demographics isn't particularly valid, I'll agree.


Wait, what? GitHub collects statistics on race of contributors?
 
2013-12-08 04:47:27 PM

itcamefromschenectady: Rincewind53: itcamefromschenectady: I don't think you're disagreeing with me. They generalized based on the US to the "Open Source Community" which is not just the US.

Oh sure. Using statistics of GitHub and F/LOSS as a measure of the  U.S. open source demographics isn't particularly valid, I'll agree.

Wait, what? GitHub collects statistics on race of contributors?


Apparently there was a survey.
 
2013-12-08 05:03:11 PM

Rincewind53: itcamefromschenectady: Rincewind53: itcamefromschenectady: I don't think you're disagreeing with me. They generalized based on the US to the "Open Source Community" which is not just the US.

Oh sure. Using statistics of GitHub and F/LOSS as a measure of the  U.S. open source demographics isn't particularly valid, I'll agree.

Wait, what? GitHub collects statistics on race of contributors?

Apparently there was a survey.


I'm not sure there was. I think somebody looked at people's avatars, like this, and made assumptions:

1.gravatar.com
 
2013-12-08 05:15:24 PM
Isn't the average Linux luser a left-libertarian or right-libertarian?

Makes sense why they are all white
 
2013-12-08 05:18:04 PM
I've been a developer for well far too long and we don't give a shiat what color you are if you can code.  Whose fault is it that blacks or Latinos don't go into CS as much as whites or Asians?
 
2013-12-08 05:20:09 PM

Mugato: I've been a developer for well far too long and we don't give a shiat what color you are if you can code.  Whose fault is it that blacks or Latinos don't go into CS as much as whites or Asians?


I'll just put this here:
http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/silicon-valley-isnt-a-meritocr acy -and-the-cult-of-the-entrepreneur-holds-people-back/
 
2013-12-08 05:36:20 PM

Mugato: I've been a developer for well far too long and we don't give a shiat what color you are if you can code.  Whose fault is it that blacks or Latinos don't go into CS as much as whites or Asians?


People who are smart enough to code are usually smart enough to do other things. And people who don't particularly enjoy coding are likely to (a) do other things, and (b) not contribute to open source. If most people in some groups don't enjoy coding, either because of the nature of the activity or because of not wanting to spend most of their time around a white male dominated culture, you can't solve that with money or education. If someone gets her JD instead of a CS degree, who or what can make her become a software developer instead of a lawyer? Who would benefit?

Using open source as a litmus test is not going to get you diversity, but it's going to get you people who enjoy what they do enough to do it for free. That's why people consider it as a criterion.
 
2013-12-08 05:49:49 PM

itcamefromschenectady: People who are smart enough to code are usually smart enough to do other things


That's why I went back to school to do other things, because it's farking boring. but that doesn't mean that women and minorities have some sort of disadvantage in the industry. shiat, most of my bosses were female.
 
2013-12-08 05:50:31 PM
You'd be white too if you never left the basement.
 
2013-12-08 05:51:48 PM
slave drives
 
2013-12-08 06:01:55 PM

Mugato: itcamefromschenectady: People who are smart enough to code are usually smart enough to do other things

That's why I went back to school to do other things, because it's farking boring. but that doesn't mean that women and minorities have some sort of disadvantage in the industry. shiat, most of my bosses were female.


Read some of these stories and tell me that women don't have a disadvantage in the tech industry:
http://valleywag.gawker.com/this-is-why-there-arent-enough-women-in- te ch-1221929631

I particularly like these two stories:
"On the first day of my Intro to Computer Science class, the professor (who was incidentally the chair of the division, don't know why he was teaching the 110 class) actually got up in front of the lecture hall and outright TOLD the women in the class that they should drop the class. Because, they're just going to drop out of the program anyway and meanwhile they're preventing a guy from being there who would see the program through, and it's important to these guys' careers. I am not exaggerating even a little."

"I have a sometimes-mentor that's a woman who has started several tech start-ups. The stories she's told me from VC meetings are horrifying. VCs straight-up refusing to talk to her, blatantly propositioning her in exchange for funding, or literally asking her to bring a man to the meeting "so she has a tech consult" (she's brilliant at tech with a track record to prove it)."


There was also the deal with Business Insider's Chief Technical Officer, who got fired after people started looking at his Twitter and noticed how absurdly racist and misogynist he was, and how he talked about literally throwing away resumes from women because he didn't think they were capable of working in tech.
 
2013-12-08 06:02:29 PM
Why don't you go ask the two Mexican guys who started Gnome?
 
2013-12-08 06:06:18 PM

Mugato: itcamefromschenectady: People who are smart enough to code are usually smart enough to do other things

That's why I went back to school to do other things, because it's farking boring. but that doesn't mean that women and minorities have some sort of disadvantage in the industry. shiat, most of my bosses were female.


The non-savvy 'project manager' type of boss
 
2013-12-08 06:07:04 PM

Rincewind53: I particularly like these two stories:
"On the first day of my Intro to Computer Science class, the professor (who was incidentally the chair of the division, don't know why he was teaching the 110 class) actually got up in front of the lecture hall and outright TOLD the women in the class that they should drop the class. Because, they're just going to drop out of the program anyway and meanwhile they're preventing a guy from being there who would see the program through, and it's important to these guys' careers. I am not exaggerating even a little."

"I have a sometimes-mentor that's a woman who has started several tech start-ups. The stories she's told me from VC meetings are horrifying. VCs straight-up refusing to talk to her, blatantly propositioning her in exchange for funding, or literally asking her to bring a man to the meeting "so she has a tech consult" (she's brilliant at tech with a track record to prove it)."

There was also the deal with Business Insider's Chief Technical Officer, who got fired after people started looking at his Twitter and noticed how absurdly racist and misogynist he was, and how he talked about literally throwing away resumes from women because he didn't think they were capable of working in tech.


Anecdotal. I can give you twice as many stories of women and blacks in managerial positions in IT and software development and this was 10 years ago.
 
2013-12-08 06:11:38 PM
why isn't gill bates hiring more chocolate programmers??


cause most programmers are not chocolate.      that's more a fault of the Nation's sorry inner city public schools than anything else.
 
2013-12-08 06:13:22 PM
its an easy bet that Open Source has alot more minority programmers than gill bates or applehead because Open Source is worldwide.


gill bates and Appledumpling is U.S.A only.       USA#1!!
 
2013-12-08 06:14:36 PM

cman: Isn't the average Linux luser a left-libertarian or right-libertarian?

Makes sense why they are all white



nope.   try Progressive.   or Liberal.   as with most people with a brain who don't fear change.
 
2013-12-08 06:18:05 PM

Linux_Yes: cman: Isn't the average Linux luser a left-libertarian or right-libertarian?

Makes sense why they are all white


nope.   try Progressive.   or Liberal.   as with most people with a brain who don't fear change.


So while they believe all things (that they didn't create) should be free, the government should be completely up your ass?  And see the below post.  Real progressive, you one-trick pony jackass


 I particularly like these two stories:
"On the first day of my Intro to Computer Science class, the professor (who was incidentally the chair of the division, don't know why he was teaching the 110 class) actually got up in front of the lecture hall and outright TOLD the women in the class that they should drop the class. Because, they're just going to drop out of the program anyway and meanwhile they're preventing a guy from being there who would see the program through, and it's important to these guys' careers. I am not exaggerating even a little."

"I have a sometimes-mentor that's a woman who has started several tech start-ups. The stories she's told me from VC meetings are horrifying. VCs straight-up refusing to talk to her, blatantly propositioning her in exchange for funding, or literally asking her to bring a man to the meeting "so she has a tech consult" (she's brilliant at tech with a track record to prove it)."

There was also the deal with Business Insider's Chief Technical Officer, who got fired after people started looking at his Twitter and noticed how absurdly racist and misogynist he was, and how he talked about literally throwing away resumes from women because he didn't think they were capable of working in tech.


Anecdotal. I can give you twice as many stories of women and blacks in managerial positions in IT and software development and this was 10 years ago.
 
2013-12-08 06:18:57 PM

Mugato: Anecdotal. I can give you twice as many stories of women and blacks in managerial positions in IT and software development and this was 10 years ago.


No one is implying that there aren't any women in positions of power in the industry. In fact, the most common position for women in the IT industry is project manager. But women often don't get hired in jobs requiring actual tech work:

b2b.cbsimg.net

Furthermore, women are vastly underrepresented in IT. Only 26% of professional computing occupations are held by women. In some subsets of the industry, like game development, you get absurd statistics like the fact that 89% of game designers are men and  97% of game programmers are men.
 
2013-12-08 06:19:40 PM

Mugato: I've been a developer for well far too long and we don't give a shiat what color you are if you can code.  Whose fault is it that blacks or Latinos don't go into CS as much as whites or Asians?


The one with the biggest pockets for the race baiters to go after?
 
2013-12-08 06:20:09 PM
What the fark does the color of your skin have to do with your ability to write code?  Oh yeah, the racists have to keep preaching that if you're not white you're somehow not capable of competing.  Farking racists
 
2013-12-08 06:20:27 PM

Mugato: Anecdotal. I can give you twice as many stories of women and blacks in managerial positions in IT and software development and this was 10 years ago.


Do you  have any examples of this happening to white men?
 
2013-12-08 06:21:23 PM
itcamefromschenectady:
People who are smart enough to code are usually smart enough to do other things. And people who don't particularly enjoy coding are likely to (a) do other things, and (b) not contribute to open source. 

Using open source as a litmus test is not going to get you diversity, but it's going to get you people who enjoy what they do enough to do it for free. That's why people consider it as a criterion.


[Citation needed on the whole "those who don't like to code don't go open source"]

That said, I understand the premise, but there are plenty of people love to code, but do so to make a living and don't feel like doing it in their free time.  I have known plenty who code both for open and closed source projects, both having very talented people who love doing it.  It really is a philosophical thing that is only tangentially related to the love of coding by the developer.  For example, there are some developers who love writing games and spend a hell of a lot of time doing it, but don't release their stuff open source.
 
2013-12-08 06:23:10 PM

Smeggy Smurf: What the fark does the color of your skin have to do with your ability to write code?  Oh yeah, the racists have to keep preaching that if you're not white you're somehow not capable of competing.  Farking racists


Your "it's racist to point out that an industry doesn't hire minorities and suggest that this is a problem" schtick is really getting old.
 
2013-12-08 06:23:59 PM

Linux_Yes: cman: Isn't the average Linux luser a left-libertarian or right-libertarian?

Makes sense why they are all white


nope.   try Progressive.   or Liberal.   as with most people with a brain who don't fear change.


My popcorn is ready for this fight.
 
2013-12-08 06:25:04 PM
You can get a used computer for next to nothing and internet access is cheap and offers a never ending variety of educational resources. The code monkeys I know are mostly self taught. There is no barre to entry- if you want to do it you just do it. The open source community doesn't care what color you are. The reason Blacks and Latinos  don't code is because they are less likely, for whatever reason, to want to write code. It's as simple as that.
In the end it doesn't matter. Code is a product. As long as the soup gets made the color of the chef is irrelevant. Why is there no hand wringing regarding the lack of white convenience store operators or mobile car detailers? Who cares as long as the market's demand is met.
 
2013-12-08 06:28:06 PM

Rincewind53: Furthermore, women are vastly underrepresented in IT. Only 26% of professional computing occupations are held by women. In some subsets of the industry, like game development, you get absurd statistics like the fact that 89% of game designers are men and  97% of game programmers are men.


So what is the point here, that IT managers are saying, "well this chick can code but she's a chick so forget her" or that maybe there just aren't that many females getting into the field?
 
2013-12-08 06:28:29 PM
Because the open source community is full of horrible people.  Stunted manchildren.

Also, black people kinda have a thing about giving their labor away for free to white men.
 
2013-12-08 06:30:56 PM

Mugato: Rincewind53: Furthermore, women are vastly underrepresented in IT. Only 26% of professional computing occupations are held by women. In some subsets of the industry, like game development, you get absurd statistics like the fact that 89% of game designers are men and  97% of game programmers are men.

So what is the point here, that IT managers are saying, "well this chick can code but she's a chick so forget her" or that maybe there just aren't that many females getting into the field?


Why pick one? I think there's been a whole lot of talk across the entire field that women are not only discouraged from entering the field in the first place, but once they get into the field they are treated different, pushed out, not accepted into the "club," and generally treated differently.
 
2013-12-08 06:31:45 PM
Women also have a thing about being around socially stunted unwashed manchildren.
 
2013-12-08 06:32:03 PM

Rincewind53: Mugato: Anecdotal. I can give you twice as many stories of women and blacks in managerial positions in IT and software development and this was 10 years ago.

No one is implying that there aren't any women in positions of power in the industry. In fact, the most common position for women in the IT industry is project manager. But women often don't get hired in jobs requiring actual tech work:

[b2b.cbsimg.net image 275x269]

Furthermore, women are vastly underrepresented in IT. Only 26% of professional computing occupations are held by women. In some subsets of the industry, like game development, you get absurd statistics like the fact that 89% of game designers are men and  97% of game programmers are men.


qph.is.quoracdn.net
 
2013-12-08 06:33:11 PM

redsquid: You can get a used computer for next to nothing and internet access is cheap and offers a never ending variety of educational resources. The code monkeys I know are mostly self taught. There is no barre to entry- if you want to do it you just do it. The open source community doesn't care what color you are. The reason Blacks and Latinos  don't code is because they are less likely, for whatever reason, to want to write code. It's as simple as that.


Or, that they are less likely to be exposed to the tools  and opportunities to do so because they are disproportionately represented in the lowest rungs of the socioeconomic spectrum?

redsquid: In the end it doesn't matter. Code is a product. As long as the soup gets made the color of the chef is irrelevant.


Agree with this - the ethnicity, nationality or gender of the coder doesn't matter.

redsquid: Why is there no hand wringing regarding the lack of white convenience store operators or mobile car detailers? Who cares as long as the market's demand is met.


Because these aren't typically high paying jobs in a growth industry?  Just guessing....
 
2013-12-08 06:35:20 PM

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Rincewind53: Mugato: Anecdotal. I can give you twice as many stories of women and blacks in managerial positions in IT and software development and this was 10 years ago.

No one is implying that there aren't any women in positions of power in the industry. In fact, the most common position for women in the IT industry is project manager. But women often don't get hired in jobs requiring actual tech work:

[b2b.cbsimg.net image 275x269]

Furthermore, women are vastly underrepresented in IT. Only 26% of professional computing occupations are held by women. In some subsets of the industry, like game development, you get absurd statistics like the fact that 89% of game designers are men and  97% of game programmers are men.

[qph.is.quoracdn.net image 306x306]


RIGHT?

You think a woman sees that ad and says "That looks like a company I want to join!"?

I'm not ascribing malice to people who make ads like that at all. I don't think they even considered how the ad might be viewed from a female perspective. They probably thought "This is a great ad to get the kind of people we want." But the end result was an ad that screams "don't apply if you're a woman."
 
2013-12-08 06:38:04 PM
I don't think you can blame this entirely on the tech industry.
Just look at society as a whole. Look at women in any field of skilled labor
Skilled labor as a whole is vastly male and vastly white in this country.  No one tells little girls "when you grow up you can be a welder or a pipe fitter or an electrician"

As to the reasons, I'm not gonna pretend to have any answers. But you can't fault the tech industries for hiring people who have the skills and certs.  For whatever reasons women just don't get into these fields.  I can think of just one female EE at a large multinational electronics engineering company I work with out of dozens of men. While there may be anecdotal evidence against this, it is not just a tech industry problem but a societal problem in all fields that require skilled labor and certifications.
 
2013-12-08 06:40:36 PM
I don't understand why we're always talking about programmers. Gods, you guys sure like to talk about yourselves and what you do.

MOST people get done with work and then go home and stop talking about work. You coders? You just can't stop talking about work; All day, all night, all you do is talk about coding, the industry, the hiring practices of the industry, etc.

Go eat a cheeseburger, make out with your significant other, and stop talking about work. Nobody outside of your industry cares what happens in your industry (except maybe investors, but they're worse than coders when it comes to workaholism).
 
2013-12-08 06:40:57 PM
I don't know how open source could be any more male and white than commercial programming. In 38 years I never met a single black or Hispanic programmer. Most of the women were Chinese or from India and other than database developers, those were rare.  I did have a black manager for a while, but he was a realtor not a programmer. Special buddy deal.
 
2013-12-08 06:47:28 PM
 
2013-12-08 06:50:17 PM

Nemo's Brother: Linux_Yes: cman: Isn't the average Linux luser a left-libertarian or right-libertarian?

Makes sense why they are all white


nope.   try Progressive.   or Liberal.   as with most people with a brain who don't fear change.

So while they believe all things (that they didn't create) should be free, the government should be completely up your ass?  And see the below post.  Real progressive, you one-trick pony jackass


 I particularly like these two stories:
"On the first day of my Intro to Computer Science class, the professor (who was incidentally the chair of the division, don't know why he was teaching the 110 class) actually got up in front of the lecture hall and outright TOLD the women in the class that they should drop the class. Because, they're just going to drop out of the program anyway and meanwhile they're preventing a guy from being there who would see the program through, and it's important to these guys' careers. I am not exaggerating even a little."

"I have a sometimes-mentor that's a woman who has started several tech start-ups. The stories she's told me from VC meetings are horrifying. VCs straight-up refusing to talk to her, blatantly propositioning her in exchange for funding, or literally asking her to bring a man to the meeting "so she has a tech consult" (she's brilliant at tech with a track record to prove it)."

There was also the deal with Business Insider's Chief Technical Officer, who got fired after people started looking at his Twitter and noticed how absurdly racist and misogynist he was, and how he talked about literally throwing away resumes from women because he didn't think they were capable of working in tech.

Anecdotal. I can give you twice as many stories of women and blacks in managerial positions in IT and software development and this was 10 years ago.



everyone who's anyone knows geeks have their issues.  whether closed source or open source geeks.   open source geeks tend to be a bit more open minded to change. a willingness to try something different.   in the end, though, they are all geeks.

picking at a keyboard all day for years is going to losen some marbles upstairs in anyone.  it isn't human nature to do that.

hell, i knew geeks were different when i was 10 years old.
 
2013-12-08 06:51:58 PM
Same reason there aren't many Chinese in the NBA?

Not all men are created equal, biology is real, being nice about it does not change reality.

This will be the case for thousands if not millions of years unless science somehow finds a way to increase certain traits in all individuals, so get used to it.
 
2013-12-08 06:52:00 PM

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Rincewind53: Mugato: Anecdotal. I can give you twice as many stories of women and blacks in managerial positions in IT and software development and this was 10 years ago.

No one is implying that there aren't any women in positions of power in the industry. In fact, the most common position for women in the IT industry is project manager. But women often don't get hired in jobs requiring actual tech work:

[b2b.cbsimg.net image 275x269]

Furthermore, women are vastly underrepresented in IT. Only 26% of professional computing occupations are held by women. In some subsets of the industry, like game development, you get absurd statistics like the fact that 89% of game designers are men and  97% of game programmers are men.

[qph.is.quoracdn.net image 306x306]


Also, to add to my previous comment, Klout has actually apologized for that poster, made when they only had 15 employees, and agreed that it was "uninviting and offensive." So, good for them for maturing as a company and as people.
 
2013-12-08 06:54:57 PM
Because someone has to be at a certain level of resources before they are comfortable giving shiat away for free?
 
2013-12-08 06:55:31 PM

Nemo's Brother: Linux_Yes: cman: Isn't the average Linux luser a left-libertarian or right-libertarian?

Makes sense why they are all white


nope.   try Progressive.   or Liberal.   as with most people with a brain who don't fear change.

So while they believe all things (that they didn't create) should be free, the government should be completely up your ass?  And see the below post.  Real progressive, you one-trick pony jackass


 I particularly like these two stories:
"On the first day of my Intro to Computer Science class, the professor (who was incidentally the chair of the division, don't know why he was teaching the 110 class) actually got up in front of the lecture hall and outright TOLD the women in the class that they should drop the class. Because, they're just going to drop out of the program anyway and meanwhile they're preventing a guy from being there who would see the program through, and it's important to these guys' careers. I am not exaggerating even a little."

"I have a sometimes-mentor that's a woman who has started several tech start-ups. The stories she's told me from VC meetings are horrifying. VCs straight-up refusing to talk to her, blatantly propositioning her in exchange for funding, or literally asking her to bring a man to the meeting "so she has a tech consult" (she's brilliant at tech with a track record to prove it)."

There was also the deal with Business Insider's Chief Technical Officer, who got fired after people started looking at his Twitter and noticed how absurdly racist and misogynist he was, and how he talked about literally throwing away resumes from women because he didn't think they were capable of working in tech.

Anecdotal. I can give you twice as many stories of women and blacks in managerial positions in IT and software development and this was 10 years ago.


also, Open source programmers are not as beholden to The Man as closed source ones.  they like money too, but they don't worship money.  and they know they can make money coding in open source projects too.  you'd be shocked to know how many companies are moving towards open source. the list is endless.  the highest demand for IT techs is those with Linux and open source backgrounds.

change or die.
 
2013-12-08 06:57:05 PM

natazha: I don't know how open source could be any more male and white than commercial programming. In 38 years I never met a single black or Hispanic programmer. Most of the women were Chinese or from India and other than database developers, those were rare.  I did have a black manager for a while, but he was a realtor not a programmer. Special buddy deal.



he was probably packing an Alabama Black Snake.
 
2013-12-08 06:58:11 PM

MrLint: You'd be white too if you never left the basement.


+10 internets for you, well played.
 
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