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2013-12-08 10:34:04 PM

talbotlynx: I'm a dude, and my experience is that pink and survival can be connected.


Also, no guy will steal your shiat. That's why I buy pink Bic lighters!
 
2013-12-08 10:39:06 PM

brigid_fitch: There's a company now that markets science, construction, and engineering toys for girls without making them pink. They just make the commercials and packaging fun and interesting and feature girls: www.Goldieblox.com


Oh hells yes, Goldieblox. I LOVED their Beastie Boys commercial with the Rube Goldberg "Princess Machine" built out of princessy toys! Sadly, they had to remove their version of the Beastie Boys tune but it was sheer awesome and put a huge grin on my face.

There's a lot of self-fulfilling prophecy in this thread. I've got a son and a daughter, and I think it's pretty tough to raise kids to escape the pink vs. blue barrage from the moment they leave the womb. Since we don't rear humans in vacuums, it's hard to tell if little girls actually do have an innate appreciation for pink and froufrou stuff or if it's just what they have been told from day one - and you don't have to tell them directly, just inundate them and their environment with it - that "this is for girls, that is for boys." And little kids police the fark out of each other! My daughter had her hair cut in a pixie cut and went to kindergarten happily the next day, only to be told by her classmates that she "was a boy." We had to show her pictures of Karen Kain and Audrey Hepburn in order to convince her she didn't have to have long hair to be a girl. So yeah, there's still some work for feminism to do (and that goes for letting little boys do what they want to do too).
 
2013-12-08 10:39:20 PM

sendtodave: Katniss catnest is in no way a strong anything. She's your typical, annoying, "conflicted" teenaged girl... That can hunt and is willing to sleep in with trees.


ftfy
 
2013-12-08 10:41:46 PM

Radioactive Ass: PsiChick: Oooh. Next I go boot shoppin', I'mma find a pair.

Prolly cheaper online unless you have a less than standard foot shape or size that makes you have to try them on first (or go to a store and try on a pair then find them online).


Women's 10 1/2. I hate shoe shopping, no one stocks that size.
 
2013-12-08 10:42:16 PM

talbotlynx: Pink has nothing to do with survival? Wish I could agree. Used to be primary orienteer and a first responder doing search and rescue across New England. The only gear I never lost in brush and never had anyone steal from my pack was the stuff I painted pink. Didn't care that some folks thought I was gay for it(girls included on this one), I was the only one that always had his own gear on the trail. It was an unwritten rule in my personal survival training.

I'm a dude, and my experience is that pink and survival can be connected.


Same here (in a way). I never buy the standard color tools if I can help it. The more garish the better. I never lose tools and nobody "Borrows" them and wanders off because it's always obvious whose they are. I have a neon lime green tape measure that I've had since forever and a bright red utility knife that I bought before that that's still in my tool kit. The rest have lime green spray painted somewhere on them or have a lime green plastisol wrap on the handle or shank depending on what it is.
 
2013-12-08 10:50:20 PM

PsiChick: Women's 10 1/2. I hate shoe shopping, no one stocks that size.


There ya go. Get the size 11 and wear thick socks with them for even toastier tootsies.
 
2013-12-08 10:55:15 PM

Radioactive Ass: PsiChick: Women's 10 1/2. I hate shoe shopping, no one stocks that size.

There ya go. Get the size 11 and wear thick socks with them for even toastier tootsies.


Make that a size 10, they tend to run large (but L.L. Bean has a good return to change size policy including the shipping label that comes with each pair of shoes just in case so you should be OK either way).
 
2013-12-08 11:02:14 PM

BHShaman: 11yo daughter got hers this weekend as Reward for high honors. She had spent the last 3 days stalking and shooting me relentlessly.


Why didn't you get yourself a nerf weapon at the same time?  You knew this was going to happen so you have no one to blame but yourself.
 
2013-12-08 11:02:22 PM
I was compelled to comment in this thread for some odd reason.
 
2013-12-08 11:06:23 PM
It's what my nieces are getting that standard gun version for Christmas.  My nephew is getting the zombie killer version.  Who gives a crap is they are aimed at girls. They are going to love them that's all that matters.
 
2013-12-08 11:11:55 PM
If women/girls liked orange, stuff would be made orange to market to them. You sell people stuff that they want.
 
2013-12-08 11:42:35 PM
www.fototime.com
 
2013-12-08 11:55:31 PM

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: [www.fototime.com image 400x245]


That boat had wimmins on it so the pink still applies, I guess...
 
2013-12-08 11:58:48 PM

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: [www.fototime.com image 400x245]


So what's long, pink, and full of seamen?
 
2013-12-09 12:33:55 AM

WorldCitizen: It is really funny that in 2013 if you walk into a toy store there is a VERY obvious girls' section which is VERY much pink. And of course, the boys' section is full of blue. It's all very 1950s still in a toy store.


Nah. If it were still the 1950's there would be candy cigarettes in the stores and chemistry sets with real atomic reactors and uranium in them. I can't think of a Christmas present which would be more awesomely metal than that.

It's a clever way to get girls more interested in boys toys--dress em up in pink. (Of course, I never needed glitter and pink to make me interested in boys toys as a kid. To me they just looked so much more interesting than the girls toys. ) I had my own chemistry set too at one point (Didn't care that it wasn't pink. I did transition from that into candlemaking eventually, which I suppose could be seen as a girlier activity... )

Boys and girls have different brain wiring and are going to care about different activities/have different modes of thinking based on their physical roles in the act of reproduction.  As long as those boys and girls who want to branch off and do opposite-gender based things are allowed to do so, then what's the harm in having gender roles? No one complains about the unfairness of rigidly defined gender roles in the animal kingdom.  Why would we think that instinct doesn't play a part in our gender roles as well?
 
2013-12-09 01:15:23 AM

TOSViolation: ou know why that toy is available?  Because LITTLE GIRLS LIKE TO PLAY HOUSE.


Yep.   Male monkeys prefer boys' toys.   Gender & Toys: Monkey Study Suggests Hormonal Basis For Children's Toy Preferences


People get outraged over the dumbest things.
 
2013-12-09 01:57:27 AM
Someone post that picture from Saturday Morning Brekafast Cereal... Here's the link, just too lazy.

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1883#comic

Big families get over the concept of gendered toys pretty quickly - or maybe that's just my experience in my extended family. Stuff like LEGOs are worth their weight in gold, all kids love em. An actual doll gets very little traction. This is double true for stuff that can actually be used to play, not just played with, like anything that bounces or flies.

/shrug
 
2013-12-09 02:06:49 AM

yourmomlovestetris: No one complains about the unfairness of rigidly defined gender roles in the animal kingdom.


Except for those damned marmots.
 
2013-12-09 02:35:00 AM

Vitamin Pb: They should make it rainbow colored to market it to the gays.


For a gay cupid?
 
2013-12-09 02:50:45 AM

TOSViolation: The typical female child is interested in a certain type of toy and/or color scheme.  It doesn't have to be learned.  The thing is, not 100% of all little girls will be typical.


That is patently stupid and it's been proven time and again to be wrong.

The "typical female child" is a myth to start with.  If you want to define their parents personalities, station and location, we can begin to have some small idea of what "typical" might be.  However, if you want to pretend that there exists a norm, you aren't playing with a full deck.
 
2013-12-09 07:45:23 AM
After all, we've had a number of women in badass roles. Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor in Terminator 2 comes to mind.

"Oh yeah, we've had  lots of women in badass roles.  Remember that one girl from that one movie over twenty-two years ago?"
 
2013-12-09 08:11:42 AM
As a Nerfer its kinda cool is that Hasbro designed the Rebelle line from the ground up for the most part, theyre not just recolor of existing Blasters. In fact,  one of the Rebelle ones ones was released first with a recolor in the "boys" line released later.

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I got my fiancee the Rebelle Sweet Revenge and myself the Zombiestrike Hammersmith. Also got my buddy and his wife a set for a housewarming gift.
 
2013-12-09 11:21:14 AM

Smelma_Kayak: brigid_fitch: There's a company now that markets science, construction, and engineering toys for girls without making them pink. They just make the commercials and packaging fun and interesting and feature girls: www.Goldieblox.com

Oh hells yes, Goldieblox. I LOVED their Beastie Boys commercial with the Rube Goldberg "Princess Machine" built out of princessy toys! Sadly, they had to remove their version of the Beastie Boys tune but it was sheer awesome and put a huge grin on my face.

There's a lot of self-fulfilling prophecy in this thread. I've got a son and a daughter, and I think it's pretty tough to raise kids to escape the pink vs. blue barrage from the moment they leave the womb. Since we don't rear humans in vacuums, it's hard to tell if little girls actually do have an innate appreciation for pink and froufrou stuff or if it's just what they have been told from day one - and you don't have to tell them directly, just inundate them and their environment with it - that "this is for girls, that is for boys." And little kids police the fark out of each other! My daughter had her hair cut in a pixie cut and went to kindergarten happily the next day, only to be told by her classmates that she "was a boy." We had to show her pictures of Karen Kain and Audrey Hepburn in order to convince her she didn't have to have long hair to be a girl. So yeah, there's still some work for feminism to do (and that goes for letting little boys do what they want to do too).


QFT.  My son is four, and up until the day he started kindergarten, purple was his favourite colour.  Now it's all "Josh says purple is for girls" and "Matt says dancing is for girls" and "Greg says stuffies are for girls".  GAH.

My biggest problem with the "girls toys" isn't that they're pink (allow though I hate pink myself) or purple, it's that they are crap.  Everyone says it's silly to be mad at pink LEGO, because LEGO is just painting the bricks pink so that girls will play with them, and that's a good thing.  But have you seen the "girls" LEGO?   It's just little tables and chairs and people and animals - you hardly have to "build" anything.  It's a playset with a couple of things that click together.  THAT is what I hate about girls toys.

The baby girl is getting real LEGO (duplo) for Christmas, and she loves it more than her brother ever did.  He's a puzzle guy.
 
2013-12-09 04:42:58 PM
 
2013-12-09 05:03:46 PM
I saw this in the store and asked my daughter if she would like one.  "No Dad. I need at least a 20 round magazine."
Makes a man tear up with pride.
 
2013-12-09 07:10:52 PM

MonoChango: I saw this in the store and asked my daughter if she would like one.  "No Dad. I need at least a 20 round magazine."
Makes a man tear up with pride.


You're raising her right. Pat yourself on the back and have a beer in celebration.
 
2013-12-10 01:02:50 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: saintstryfe: brigid_fitch: spmkk: brigid_fitch: "Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....)"


Dude. Whatever it takes to get girls to play with Legos. Seriously. I don't care if they have to infuse glitter into the plastic and paint the bricks with farking nail polish to get girls to choose building a Lego construction over brushing Barbie's hair. If it works, and more girls start engineering shiat, more power to them.

It's easy to market Legos to little girls without making it farking pink: Put girls in the commercials and on the packaging! I hated my Barbies and played with my brother's GI Joes, model railroad, and Hot Wheels because they were way cooler. It was other little girls and their parents who thought I was weird. They'd whisper to my mother, "Do you want her to grow up to be a tomboy?" And Mom would panic and buy me an EZ Bake oven, banning me from playing with my brother's rescue copter.

There's a company now that markets science, construction, and engineering toys for girls without making them pink. They just make the commercials and packaging fun and interesting and feature girls: www.Goldieblox.com

you just made them a sale for my niece. She's a crafter, but her grandma is buying her tons of art supplies for Christmas. Nice buidling project. This and and I'm thinking a Shel Silverstien book, since I got her "Where the Sidewalk Ends" last year and that went over like gangbusters.

I would have loved you as an uncle but the one I had was pretty cool he gave us the Artari pong video game way back when, and may cousin Beth the Dark Tower game. Always fun stuff.


She got the DSi last year - give her a few years before moving onto a "real" console, if she's still interested in games at that point. Young girls are so fickle.

Oh she also is getting a whole metric buttload of Ponies, since one of my friends works for Hasbro. She's also gonna gorge on episodes - her mom and dad don't have HUB network so I recorded them all for her to watch, and she'll go home with DVDs.

Cyno01: As a Nerfer its kinda cool is that Hasbro designed the Rebelle line from the ground up for the most part, theyre not just recolor of existing Blasters. In fact,  one of the Rebelle ones ones was released first with a recolor in the "boys" line released later.

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I got my fiancee the Rebelle Sweet Revenge and myself the Zombiestrike Hammersmith. Also got my buddy and his wife a set for a housewarming gift.


Well see, now that changes my mind a bit. If it was just a recolor, I could see a reason to say it's sexist. But if they changed the design a bit to make it friendlier for smaller hands that's actually a real step. I like that.
 
2013-12-10 01:40:43 AM

saintstryfe: tinfoil-hat maggie: saintstryfe: brigid_fitch: spmkk: brigid_fitch: "Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....)"


Dude. Whatever it takes to get girls to play with Legos. Seriously. I don't care if they have to infuse glitter into the plastic and paint the bricks with farking nail polish to get girls to choose building a Lego construction over brushing Barbie's hair. If it works, and more girls start engineering shiat, more power to them.

It's easy to market Legos to little girls without making it farking pink: Put girls in the commercials and on the packaging! I hated my Barbies and played with my brother's GI Joes, model railroad, and Hot Wheels because they were way cooler. It was other little girls and their parents who thought I was weird. They'd whisper to my mother, "Do you want her to grow up to be a tomboy?" And Mom would panic and buy me an EZ Bake oven, banning me from playing with my brother's rescue copter.

There's a company now that markets science, construction, and engineering toys for girls without making them pink. They just make the commercials and packaging fun and interesting and feature girls: www.Goldieblox.com

you just made them a sale for my niece. She's a crafter, but her grandma is buying her tons of art supplies for Christmas. Nice buidling project. This and and I'm thinking a Shel Silverstien book, since I got her "Where the Sidewalk Ends" last year and that went over like gangbusters.

I would have loved you as an uncle but the one I had was pretty cool he gave us the Artari pong video game way back when, and may cousin Beth the Dark Tower game. Always fun stuff.

She got the DSi last year - give her a few years before moving onto a "real" console, if she's still interested in games at that point. Young girls are so fickle.

Oh she also is getting a whole metric buttload of Ponies, since one of my friends works for Hasbro. She's also gonna go ...


I looked at Target and no not there yes I want one.well, eveven walmart online was out of stock on those last I checked. this is the new elmo so to speak.
 
2013-12-10 03:02:14 AM

MonoChango: I saw this in the store and asked my daughter if she would like one.  "No Dad. I need at least a 20 round magazine."
Makes a man tear up with pride.


When she is old enough, get her an FN five seven.  Lovely little firearm and it holds 21.  ;)
 
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