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2013-12-08 05:57:27 PM  

Vitamin Pb: Quantum Apostrophe: BadReligion: Girls like colorful things. My 13 year old daughter has 3 (real) guns, 1 of them is pink, another is purple. The 3rd is black.

Why? Do you live in some kind of war-torn third-world lawless decrepit republic?

You mean like the U.S.?


Oh shiat, sorry. My sympathies.
 
2013-12-08 05:57:47 PM  

WorldCitizen: It is really funny that in 2013 if you walk into a toy store there is a VERY obvious girls' section which is VERY much pink. And of course, the boys' section is full of blue. It's all very 1950s still in a toy store.


Yeah.  Have you gone into the men's section at a CLOTHING store?  There isn't a single bra to be found.  They don't put tampons beside the men's razors either.  Can you believe they would actually GROUP things that are designed for a specific gender?  It's insane!
 
2013-12-08 05:58:06 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: BadReligion: Girls like colorful things. My 13 year old daughter has 3 (real) guns, 1 of them is pink, another is purple. The 3rd is black.

Why? Do you live in some kind of war-torn third-world lawless decrepit republic?


She really enjoys going shooting with me. It is something we bond over, and it teaches her responsibility. She knows how to properly handle firearms. It will also be good when she is out on her own, because a woman having a gun is, IMO, more important than a man having a gun, because it gives her an edge if someone bigger than her wants to victimize her.
 
2013-12-08 05:58:07 PM  
Brilliant or Sexist?

static1.fjcdn.com
 
2013-12-08 05:58:09 PM  

big-simon: bow vine


Took me a minute.  Ha!


super_grass: I would take them pretty seriously. The website has tons of followers despite being so few in numbers.


I always take crazy people seriously in numbers.  I'm no fool.

Numbers don't make 'em any less crazy; just more of a threat.
 
2013-12-08 05:58:44 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: spmkk: brigid_fitch: "Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....)"


Dude. Whatever it takes to get girls to play with Legos. Seriously. I don't care if they have to infuse glitter into the plastic and paint the bricks with farking nail polish to get girls to choose building a Lego construction over brushing Barbie's hair. If it works, and more girls start engineering shiat, more power to them.

This.  Both of these.  My toys growing up were Lincoln Logs and Tinkertoys, until my dad remarried and the stepmom took all the "boys' toys" away and forced me to play with Barbies.  Biatch.  I farking hated them, and so pretty-much stopped playing and started reading.  It wasn't until I got out of that house that I was able to go play again, with the boys in the neighborhood.  We had EPIC war games.


You are so awesome and not like all the other girls!
 
2013-12-08 06:00:10 PM  

Oldiron_79: XanthPrime: Why can't pink be for boys?

Not that theres anything wrong with that.



My boys are welcome to get a little pink as soon as they're old enough to do it safely.
 
2013-12-08 06:00:51 PM  
I just want to know why the Rebelle gun comes with safety glasses and a neat holster, while those are extra buys for the boy's guns even though they cost more?

Also, this:
www.catster.com
 
2013-12-08 06:01:06 PM  

TOSViolation: WorldCitizen: It is really funny that in 2013 if you walk into a toy store there is a VERY obvious girls' section which is VERY much pink. And of course, the boys' section is full of blue. It's all very 1950s still in a toy store.

Yeah.  Have you gone into the men's section at a CLOTHING store?  There isn't a single bra to be found.  They don't put tampons beside the men's razors either.  Can you believe they would actually GROUP things that are designed for a specific gender?  It's insane!


So children's toys are designed for use on/in penises, vaginas, and boobs?  Who knew?
 
2013-12-08 06:01:49 PM  
This article is full of fail.

They talk about polite and pink and how there is nothing pretty or pink about survival.  Um, who decides that pink is pretty, or that some other color is about "survival"?

And isn't it the author that is making assumptions here?  They make a crossbow that is pink and purple so it is THEM that assumes this is for girls??

The irony is, if this was for boys, the author would have slanted the article to talk about how we shouldn't be marketing "weapons" to little kids.
 
2013-12-08 06:02:31 PM  

Gleeman: I just want to know why the Rebelle gun comes with safety glasses and a neat holster, while those are extra buys for the boy's guns even though they cost more?

Also, this:
[www.catster.com image 500x362]


Girls need to accessorize, DUH.
 
2013-12-08 06:02:41 PM  

baconbeard: Benevolent Misanthrope: spmkk: brigid_fitch: "Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....)"


Dude. Whatever it takes to get girls to play with Legos. Seriously. I don't care if they have to infuse glitter into the plastic and paint the bricks with farking nail polish to get girls to choose building a Lego construction over brushing Barbie's hair. If it works, and more girls start engineering shiat, more power to them.

This.  Both of these.  My toys growing up were Lincoln Logs and Tinkertoys, until my dad remarried and the stepmom took all the "boys' toys" away and forced me to play with Barbies.  Biatch.  I farking hated them, and so pretty-much stopped playing and started reading.  It wasn't until I got out of that house that I was able to go play again, with the boys in the neighborhood.  We had EPIC war games.

You are so awesome and not like all the other girls!


Mock me all you want, but girls should be encouraged to be active and creative in ways other than hairstyling and fashion.
 
2013-12-08 06:03:40 PM  

Fear the Clam: brigid_fitch: Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....) but this one's just too awesome. I don't care how it's marketed, anything that gets crossbows & Gatling guns into the hands of little girls is a great idea.

Agreed. Why not just make it green so everyone can enjoy it?


It's not like Nerf (or any other toy company) just puts these on the market in particular colors without any consultation and says "OK, this is what you get."  -- They test market  these things. They gather groups of little girls and let them play with several versions, then they get them in a room and ask them which ones they liked better, what colors they'd prefer, what features they'd like, etc.

They compile all the data from tests and focus groups, and then release the product that was most popular. In other words, the thing is pink because hordes of little girls-- the target market-- indicated that they wanted it to be pink.

If the focus groups of little girls had all said "We want a gender neutral color like brown" then Nerf would have released it in brown... Clearly, though, girls wanted pink.
 
2013-12-08 06:05:30 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:  Mock me all you want, but girls should be encouraged to be active and creative in ways other than hairstyling and fashion.

Thank you!!

/done in one
 
2013-12-08 06:06:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Mock me all you want, but girls should be encouraged to be active and creative in ways other than hairstyling and fashion.


So what you're saying is that they need to broaden their horizons to skirt the danger of tradition gender stereotypes?
 
2013-12-08 06:07:23 PM  
1. If this is supposed to be for Hunger Games, why the ever-living fark is it pink? It doesn't have to be pink. Just put Hunger Games logo on it, and every little girl in the country will want it.
2. This article is shiat. Someone's blog/website sucks. Their reason is that if it sells as pink, Nerf will change it to another color. Um... no. They'll keep selling it as pink because it's selling. They'll only change the color if consumers make a stink about not buying it.
 
2013-12-08 06:07:32 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: baconbeard: Benevolent Misanthrope: spmkk: brigid_fitch: "Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....)"


Dude. Whatever it takes to get girls to play with Legos. Seriously. I don't care if they have to infuse glitter into the plastic and paint the bricks with farking nail polish to get girls to choose building a Lego construction over brushing Barbie's hair. If it works, and more girls start engineering shiat, more power to them.

This.  Both of these.  My toys growing up were Lincoln Logs and Tinkertoys, until my dad remarried and the stepmom took all the "boys' toys" away and forced me to play with Barbies.  Biatch.  I farking hated them, and so pretty-much stopped playing and started reading.  It wasn't until I got out of that house that I was able to go play again, with the boys in the neighborhood.  We had EPIC war games.

You are so awesome and not like all the other girls!

Mock me all you want, but girls should be encouraged to be active and creative in ways other than hairstyling and fashion.


I agree. In addition to going shooting as I mentioned earlier, my 13 year old daughter loves photography. I am very supportive of that, to the point that she has a decent Nikon DSLR, several lenses, and she is getting a speedlight for Christmas. We have also taken a basic photography class together. I endorse any hobby she has, and when she gets serious about them, I have no problem buying her expensive instruction and equipment for them. I am just happy she wants to do things that don't involve sitting in front of the computer or xbox all the time, especially stuff that can be useful to her as an adult.
 
2013-12-08 06:07:53 PM  
Our eldest daughter, Charliza, would have loved this when she was three or four. She used to put vaguely gun-shaped sticks in her bugout bag when we'd go primitiving in the summers, and "play militia" with the other kids at training.

Of course now that she's 8, she only wants to shoot her XR (the only thing pink on it is the reticle in her optic sight), or her P22 plinker. She's going to lose her stuff this Christmas when she opens her gun safe (mom's idea, it'll be in her room but we'll keep the keys.)

This reminds me, I need to order some more mugger target sheets for the range next weekend...
 
2013-12-08 06:10:19 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Brilliant? Creating a toy related to a hollywood blockbuster?


Disney's Brave was Rebelle in French. That one?
 
2013-12-08 06:11:33 PM  

brigid_fitch: Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....) but this one's just too awesome. I don't care how it's marketed, anything that gets crossbows & Gatling guns into the hands of little girls is a great idea.


How about girls playing survival games with Airsoft guns?
Crunchyroll - Watch Stella Women's Academy, High School Division Class C3
 
2013-12-08 06:11:34 PM  

BadReligion: Quantum Apostrophe: BadReligion: Girls like colorful things. My 13 year old daughter has 3 (real) guns, 1 of them is pink, another is purple. The 3rd is black.

Why? Do you live in some kind of war-torn third-world lawless decrepit republic?

She really enjoys going shooting with me. It is something we bond over, and it teaches her responsibility. She knows how to properly handle firearms. It will also be good when she is out on her own, because a woman having a gun is, IMO, more important than a man having a gun, because it gives her an edge if someone bigger than her wants to victimize her.


Nice narrative. You probably even believe it.
 
2013-12-08 06:12:39 PM  

WorldCitizen: TOSViolation: WorldCitizen: It is really funny that in 2013 if you walk into a toy store there is a VERY obvious girls' section which is VERY much pink. And of course, the boys' section is full of blue. It's all very 1950s still in a toy store.

Yeah.  Have you gone into the men's section at a CLOTHING store?  There isn't a single bra to be found.  They don't put tampons beside the men's razors either.  Can you believe they would actually GROUP things that are designed for a specific gender?  It's insane!

So children's toys are designed for use on/in penises, vaginas, and boobs?  Who knew?


The female form is supposed to be attractive to males.  The male form is supposed to be attractive to females.  This is typically the case.  There are gay and bisexual people, but there will always be defects in nature, just as with cancer, sickle cell anemia, dwarfism, etc. (doesn't mean any of these groups should be persecuted, though)

The typical female child is interested in a certain type of toy and/or color scheme.  It doesn't have to be learned.  The thing is, not 100% of all little girls will be typical.

It's only after long years of societal brainwashing that people start to see a problem with the natural order of things.  People learn to hate.  That's all this is.  People learning to hate anything and everything that appears to be traditional whether or not there is any true traditional basis for it.
 
2013-12-08 06:13:14 PM  

XanthPrime: Why can't pink be for boys?


Used to be that way a century or so ago - Pink for boys, blue for girls.

Pink used to be representative of violence and blood, since it is nearly red.

Blue? Not sure, but decidedly non-violent.
 
2013-12-08 06:14:51 PM  
Perhaps these toys are symbolic of the weapons that young ladies will need to battle the horrid, oppressive, Hegemonic Patriarchy.
 
2013-12-08 06:16:00 PM  
Great. Finally some toys that can get your little girl expelled from school.
 
2013-12-08 06:16:55 PM  
My girlfriend's daughter saw the Nerf Rebelle and the new Zombie Strike line.....She picked the Zombie strike because "Zombies need killed.)
 
2013-12-08 06:22:02 PM  
The rebelle bow also comes in blue (though the handle and barrel are still pink).

Also, am I the only one who painted my toys to look more realistic or what? A little sandpaper, paint, and time is all you need if you like the base design of the object.
 
2013-12-08 06:23:12 PM  

OgreMagi: I'm sure they are thinking of the rising popularity of bows because of Katniss in the Hunger Games.

A friend of mine owns an archery range and she's seen an increase of tweens and teens learning the sport since the movie.


'Brave' may also have been a contributing factor. My little goddaughter has a compound bow now and has to be reminded that the Scottish accent isn't necessary to fire it. We did, however, let her shoot a flaming arrow to light the bonfire for a recent party, and kid nailed it. Right in the middle of center mass like Princess Merida and her Questionable Auntie taught her.

For Christmas, I am sewing her a dress like Merida's and husband is making her a very light chainmail shirt to wear over her jerkin and leggings for the Renaissance Faire. Aluminum chainmail is of a weight appropriate for seven-year-olds, I think.
 
2013-12-08 06:24:35 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Benevolent Misanthrope: Mock me all you want, but girls should be encouraged to be active and creative in ways other than hairstyling and fashion.

So what you're saying is that they need to broaden their horizons to skirt the danger of tradition gender stereotypes?



-_-
 
2013-12-08 06:30:22 PM  

super_grass: Quantum Apostrophe: BadReligion: Girls like colorful things. My 13 year old daughter has 3 (real) guns, 1 of them is pink, another is purple. The 3rd is black.

Why? Do you live in some kind of war-torn third-world lawless decrepit republic?

Are you kidding me? War-torn third-world republics rarely have QUALITY child firearms for purchase.


Yeah. Good luck finding a pink AK-47 in Somalia.
 
2013-12-08 06:33:04 PM  

baconbeard: I wonder what it's like to be perpetually offended by... well, EVERYTHING. How empty and bereft of joy must your existence be if you have to pass everything though your agenda filters to see if it's "acceptable" or if it's something that throws you into yet another histrionic fit of outrage.


No no no, you got that wrong. It's not about being offended. It's about making sure other people know that you are offended. Doesn't really matter why or by what. As long as they know.
 
2013-12-08 06:37:01 PM  

zimbach: brigid_fitch: Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....) but this one's just too awesome. I don't care how it's marketed, anything that gets crossbows & Gatling guns into the hands of little girls is a great idea.

How about girls playing survival games with Airsoft guns?
Crunchyroll - Watch Stella Women's Academy, High School Division Class C3


I see your Airsoft, and raise you an FN P-90:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-08 06:38:27 PM  
The problem with girls' toys is not that they're pink. The problem is that so many of them suck. Passive, pretty adowable shiat covered in shiny glitter.
 
2013-12-08 06:39:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: spmkk: brigid_fitch: "Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....)"


Dude. Whatever it takes to get girls to play with Legos. Seriously. I don't care if they have to infuse glitter into the plastic and paint the bricks with farking nail polish to get girls to choose building a Lego construction over brushing Barbie's hair. If it works, and more girls start engineering shiat, more power to them.

This.  Both of these.  My toys growing up were Lincoln Logs and Tinkertoys, until my dad remarried and the stepmom took all the "boys' toys" away and forced me to play with Barbies.  Biatch.  I farking hated them, and so pretty-much stopped playing and started reading.  It wasn't until I got out of that house that I was able to go play again, with the boys in the neighborhood.  We had EPIC war games.


reading wasn't just a substitute for playthings you found appealing. reading is a magical escape from a world you are trapped in. public libraries are a godsend to children in miserable circumstance.
 
2013-12-08 06:40:58 PM  
Jesus, not this shiat again.
 
2013-12-08 06:41:05 PM  
 
2013-12-08 06:43:41 PM  

brigid_fitch: Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....) but this one's just too awesome. I don't care how it's marketed, anything that gets crossbows & Gatling guns into the hands of little girls is a great idea.


Agreed and I'm so getting one of those.
 
2013-12-08 06:45:08 PM  
i.imgur.com

Changed from pink to blue.

Can't imagine why.

/gaaaaaaaaaaay~
 
2013-12-08 06:45:44 PM  
www.wrestleenigma.com
 
2013-12-08 06:46:58 PM  
hwalther.home.xs4all.nl
 
2013-12-08 06:50:15 PM  
leisureguy.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-08 06:52:02 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: OgreMagi: I'm sure they are thinking of the rising popularity of bows because of Katniss in the Hunger Games.

A friend of mine owns an archery range and she's seen an increase of tweens and teens learning the sport since the movie.

'Brave' may also have been a contributing factor. My little goddaughter has a compound bow now and has to be reminded that the Scottish accent isn't necessary to fire it. We did, however, let her shoot a flaming arrow to light the bonfire for a recent party, and kid nailed it. Right in the middle of center mass like Princess Merida and her Questionable Auntie taught her.

For Christmas, I am sewing her a dress like Merida's and husband is making her a very light chainmail shirt to wear over her jerkin and leggings for the Renaissance Faire. Aluminum chainmail is of a weight appropriate for seven-year-olds, I think.


That is awesome. Very cool.
 
2013-12-08 06:58:37 PM  
TOSViolation
What they do is gather test groups of ACTUAL LITTLE GIRLS to see what they respond to. They provide several versions of the toys. The girls pick what they like best.

Well then I'm sure there's nothing to be concerned about.
 
2013-12-08 06:59:38 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Benevolent Misanthrope: Mock me all you want, but girls should be encouraged to be active and creative in ways other than hairstyling and fashion.

So what you're saying is that they need to broaden their horizons to skirt the danger of tradition gender stereotypes?


I agree completely. It isn't sexist or misogynistic for girls to do what they enjoy. Every year for her birthday and Christmas, I get my niece building toys, educational stuff that is still fun, etc. I'm secretly trying to turn her into an engineer of some kind. There is too much "boy stuff"/"girl stuff". For God's sake, why can't we just let people be creative and enjoy themselves?

/Brony
 
2013-12-08 07:01:02 PM  

Gleeman: zimbach: brigid_fitch: Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....) but this one's just too awesome. I don't care how it's marketed, anything that gets crossbows & Gatling guns into the hands of little girls is a great idea.

How about girls playing survival games with Airsoft guns?
Crunchyroll - Watch Stella Women's Academy, High School Division Class C3

I see your Airsoft, and raise you an FN P-90:

[i.imgur.com image 644x691]


OK, Then how about tanks?

img1.ak.crunchyroll.com
 
2013-12-08 07:04:38 PM  
Studies have shown that if you give a kid a choice between a "girl's toy" and a "boy's toy", most kids will have the most fun:

www.savvyhousekeeping.com

... playing with the box.
 
2013-12-08 07:06:48 PM  

ERNesbitt: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Benevolent Misanthrope: Mock me all you want, but girls should be encouraged to be active and creative in ways other than hairstyling and fashion.

So what you're saying is that they need to broaden their horizons to skirt the danger of tradition gender stereotypes?

I agree completely. It isn't sexist or misogynistic for girls to do what they enjoy. Every year for her birthday and Christmas, I get my niece building toys, educational stuff that is still fun, etc. I'm secretly trying to turn her into an engineer of some kind. There is too much "boy stuff"/"girl stuff". For God's sake, why can't we just let people be creative and enjoy themselves?

/Brony


I grew up with two brothers so I always had "boy" toys around and a lot of the time I wanted stuff like theirs and got it. Yes I had my own Star Wars stuff and lego.
 
2013-12-08 07:12:04 PM  

Vitamin Pb: They should make it rainbow colored to market it to the gays.


6 to 10 year old gays?
 
2013-12-08 07:14:42 PM  

spmkk: brigid_fitch: "Typically I'd start ranting about the "pinking and shrinking" of cool stuff in order to market them for girls (farking pink Legos....)"


Dude. Whatever it takes to get girls to play with Legos. Seriously. I don't care if they have to infuse glitter into the plastic and paint the bricks with farking nail polish to get girls to choose building a Lego construction over brushing Barbie's hair. If it works, and more girls start engineering shiat, more power to them.


It's easy to market Legos to little girls without making it farking pink: Put girls in the commercials and on the packaging! I hated my Barbies and played with my brother's GI Joes, model railroad, and Hot Wheels because they were way cooler. It was other little girls and their parents who thought I was weird. They'd whisper to my mother, "Do you want her to grow up to be a tomboy?" And Mom would panic and buy me an EZ Bake oven, banning me from playing with my brother's rescue copter.

There's a company now that markets science, construction, and engineering toys for girls without making them pink. They just make the commercials and packaging fun and interesting and feature girls: www.Goldieblox.com
 
2013-12-08 07:15:03 PM  
" There are over 2 billion Nerf products in worldwide circulation. That's one Nerf weapon for every man on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the women?"


cdn.ientry.com
 
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