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2013-12-08 03:47:34 PM  

NotARocketScientist: jjorsett: doglover: New study is full of shiat.

It's called opportunity cost. Making food takes time. The cheaper the food, the longer the prep. Dried beans take all night.

By and large, I don't think even the poor are that lacking in downtime. As for beans, it's not like you're having to stand there watching while they soak, and you can certainly make a larger amount ahead so that one prep interval serves for several meals. I think the convenience factor (a polite term for laziness) and taste are most of why people gravitate toward fast food.  What's not to like about quick carbs and fat?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Guess how I know you have never been, or even known someone, really poor.
I work 4 jobs and take classes. Frequently I have less than 30 minutes to make and eat dinner before I have to be gone again.

When you think about prep time, think about all the conveniences you use. (You are just lazy for having a refrigerator and not going and getting ice for a cooler. And a blender is just laziness - you could do that with a spoon and some elbow grease!). Poor people may not have access to those. When computing the costs, people forget to put a value on the time it takes - you could be out earning a wage instead of dinkin around in the kitchen. Take the amount of time it takes to make the food (start to finish - no assuming you start out with everything chopped, skinned or otherwise prepared like cook books do) and multiply that times your hourly wage. Add that in to the price of the supplies. NOW compare it to fast food costs.


Shouldn't you be getting ready for work or something? You have less than 30 minutes to make dinner. Why are you dicking around on fark?
 
2013-12-08 03:51:03 PM  

angrycrank: I worked next to a yuppie grocery store that had a ton of healthy prepared food. Buying a good meal (chicken, steamed vegetables, some brown rice or quinoa) cost between $5-7


Just to beat this pressure cooker drum to death....

Brown rice normally takes about an hour to make, but it's much healthier, as well as dirt cheap.

However, in a pressure cooker, you're looking at 20 minutes.

/I have more than one, so you can say I"m a big convert.
 
2013-12-08 03:52:07 PM  

RyansPrivates: You find that the reason people make "poor" choices is because they are actually the only rational choice.


THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS x infinity.

Holy shiat, I have this conversation with everyone.

Person: "Why don't you do X?"
Me: "Because Y."
Person: "So Z, A, B?"
Me: "Yeah, but CDE."

and so on. Eventually the person stops because it seems like I'm being defeatist. It's my reality, you r-tard. Yes, it's farking complicated. YOU try dealing with it as well as I have for as long as I have.

I think being extremely poor and being extremely rich are some of the biggest tests of character a person can ever go through. Either way, the temptation (and the justification!) to become a criminal is very. very. very. easy to give into.
 
2013-12-08 04:05:32 PM  
I try my best, but sometimes, strings of 14 hour days just take the wind out of my sails and I end up with some microwaveable crap that makes me not hungry before I pass out and go back to work again. Cost is some of the consideration, to be sure... but prep/cooking time is a factor when you work long days. =/
 
2013-12-08 04:19:25 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Only $1.50, that's all?  Everything is good then.


The average monthly SNAP benefit per person is $133.85, or less than $1.50 per person, per meal.

http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/programs-and-services/ pu blic-assistance-programs/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program/sna p-myths-realities.aspx#

Oh.


What bullshiat. The S in SNAP stands for supplemental. As in it is to be used in addition to any funds otherwise, from governmental benefit or through work, used for food.
 
2013-12-08 05:26:58 PM  

Lady Indica: I don't give a shiat any more. I just don't. You can argue whatever you like, I'm simply sick and farking tired of any argument on why in one of the richest places on earth we have people going hungry, lacking medical care and basic shelter.

I don't give a fark if lazies take advantage, I don't give a fark if my hard earned bucks go to helping someone lazy and selfish and shiatty. If that's the price of everyone getting enough, I'm farking okay with it.

Anything else is just farking evil. I can't sit by in my warm coat and watch someone else shivering and listen to arguments about why they deserve to be cold. fark that. First let's get them warm, then let's figure out why they're cold and how to keep it fixed. If we have to help some broken people too...good.

And I'm the atheist. I'm the one some of you like to call whore (sex worker, please). If you think my ilk is immoral and I'm saying this...where the farkity fark do you get off? How does anyone who calls themselves a christian not on board with the same thing?

/this is why I'll never be rich
//and I'm FINE with that


This the the way I feel.  It is unfortunate that others that call themselves Christians don't get this.  Morality really has no dependence on religion.  The moral choice is to feed the hungry, clothe the cold, help the oppressed.  Sure Christ taught this, but it isn't just him.  There are some christian organizations that actually do this right (there are also plenty of secular or Jewish or Islamic orgs too.)

I donate my money to one such organization, not because it is Christian (even though I am) but because they provide food, shelter, legal aide, you name it because it is the right thing they do.  They are "foolish" with their money by some standards.  But ultimately, I don't care.  I want them to be foolish.  I don't want "ROI" in a strictly capitalistic sense.  I want  help to get to those who need it.
 
2013-12-08 05:48:05 PM  

jake_lex: doglover: New study is full of shiat.

It's called opportunity cost. Making food takes time. The cheaper the food, the longer the prep. Dried beans take all night.

This.  If I'm working 2 or 3 shiat jobs to try to keep the rent paid, I don't have a lot of time to prepare food that takes any significant amount of time.  So I'm probably either just gonna buy some pre-prepared thing at the store that I can just nuke for a few minutes, or I'm gonna swing through McDonald's.

Studies like this fail to recognize that the underlying problem here is poverty and the refusal of our country to do what we can to provide a living wage for those who work full time.  Until then, saying things like "It's not that much more expensive to buy healthy food!" misses the point.


More relevant than prep time is access.

For example, only high end supermarkets like Whole Foods have bulk grain sections, which can be big money savers. Good luck finding many of them in poor neighborhoods.

And then the quality of produce at lower end supermarkets can be pretty poor. It's not surprising that nobody is buying wilted vegetables and over ripe fruit.

There was a study a little while ago about how in the poorest neighborhoods places like Dollar General tend to be the only option
 
2013-12-08 05:50:56 PM  

Endive Wombat: Bullshiat.

My wife has taken to a new quasi-vegan, veggie, nut, and fruit diet (She will eat an egg or a piece of fish here and there if I prepare it).  Our grocery bill has doubled if not tripled in the past ~6 weeks shes been on said diet.  Fresh fruits and veggies are not only expensive but much more of a pain in the ass to prepare for 3 square meals a day.

Now her energy is up, she looks and feels better, and shes lost some weight, so that's all good and fine...add to that we can afford to absorb her more expensive diet, but I know many others cannot.


My friends who did a whole-30 paleo challenge, and shopped seasonal, frugal, manager special, etc....couldn't afford to keep doing it after the whole 30 challenge. Even shopping smart, and hitting in-season stuff, and manager specials, the 'no processed foods' thing is just expensive. Everything is processed.
 
2013-12-08 06:09:29 PM  
But that would require some effort from the 400 pound trailer trash mom, or the ghetto-licious city mom. Neither has worked a day in their adult life and neither generally tends to give much of a fark about their crotch droppings.  Good luck.
 
2013-12-08 06:19:32 PM  
only in crony capitalist america would you be penalized for eating real, whole foods and not shiat that poses as food.


only in america.
 
2013-12-08 06:20:52 PM  

doglover: New study is full of shiat.

It's called opportunity cost. Making food takes time. The cheaper the food, the longer the prep. Dried beans take all night.



put those buggers on a slow simmer (with a lid on)  and you'll be surprised how long it takes.
 
2013-12-08 06:22:34 PM  
Candybar Economics: over time, gradually reduce the size of the candybar while charging more for it. they'll never notice it.  clever.


its a win win in the 'greatest coontry on earth'.
 
2013-12-08 06:26:09 PM  

Endive Wombat: Bullshiat.

My wife has taken to a new quasi-vegan, veggie, nut, and fruit diet (She will eat an egg or a piece of fish here and there if I prepare it).  Our grocery bill has doubled if not tripled in the past ~6 weeks shes been on said diet.  Fresh fruits and veggies are not only expensive but much more of a pain in the ass to prepare for 3 square meals a day.

Now her energy is up, she looks and feels better, and shes lost some weight, so that's all good and fine...add to that we can afford to absorb her more expensive diet, but I know many others cannot.



that will teach her for trying to be healthy and lessening the burden on our HealthDon't Care system. and also lessening the days out sick for work. and for being a happier person for herself and her family/kids.

its outrageous!
 
2013-12-08 06:27:43 PM  

Nemo's Brother: But that would require some effort from the 400 pound trailer trash mom, or the ghetto-licious city mom. Neither has worked a day in their adult life and neither generally tends to give much of a fark about their crotch droppings.  Good luck.



and your wall street banker buddies retire at age 35 to 40 with a bundle of your money.   that ain't bad, either.
 
2013-12-08 07:57:15 PM  

Chameleon: $1.50/person/day X family of 4 X 7 days=$42/week or $189/month.

There have been times in my life where coming up with an extra $189 per month would have been, literally, impossible without resorting to theft or prostitution.


I should give you my number -just in case.

Lady Indica: I don't give a shiat any more. I just don't. You can argue whatever you like, I'm simply sick and farking tired of any argument on why in one of the richest places on earth we have people going hungry, lacking medical care and basic shelter.

I don't give a fark if lazies take advantage, I don't give a fark if my hard earned bucks go to helping someone lazy and selfish and shiatty. If that's the price of everyone getting enough, I'm farking okay with it.

Anything else is just farking evil. I can't sit by in my warm coat and watch someone else shivering and listen to arguments about why they deserve to be cold. fark that. First let's get them warm, then let's figure out why they're cold and how to keep it fixed. If we have to help some broken people too...good.

And I'm the atheist. I'm the one some of you like to call whore (sex worker, please). If you think my ilk is immoral and I'm saying this...where the farkity fark do you get off? How does anyone who calls themselves a christian not on board with the same thing?

/this is why I'll never be rich
//and I'm FINE with that


I like you.
This world is not ready for someone as enlightened and evolved as you.
 
2013-12-08 08:12:20 PM  

Nemo's Brother: But that would require some effort from the 400 pound trailer trash mom, or the ghetto-licious city mom. Neither has worked a day in their adult life and neither generally tends to give much of a fark about their crotch droppings.  Good luck.


Exactly. We need to round those people up, and find some sort of solution to the problem, don't you agree? Make them work, for instance. Because arbeit macht frei work will make you free.
 
2013-12-08 08:14:56 PM  

kroonermanblack: Endive Wombat: Bullshiat.

My wife has taken to a new quasi-vegan, veggie, nut, and fruit diet (She will eat an egg or a piece of fish here and there if I prepare it).  Our grocery bill has doubled if not tripled in the past ~6 weeks shes been on said diet.  Fresh fruits and veggies are not only expensive but much more of a pain in the ass to prepare for 3 square meals a day.

Now her energy is up, she looks and feels better, and shes lost some weight, so that's all good and fine...add to that we can afford to absorb her more expensive diet, but I know many others cannot.

My friends who did a whole-30 paleo challenge, and shopped seasonal, frugal, manager special, etc....couldn't afford to keep doing it after the whole 30 challenge. Even shopping smart, and hitting in-season stuff, and manager specials, the 'no processed foods' thing is just expensive. Everything is processed.


If you eat beans and oatmeal and rice, it's cheap. Not much fun, mind you. And not super-healthy. But it is cheap and you won't starve.
 
2013-12-08 08:42:13 PM  
www.pcrm.org  hmmmm
 
2013-12-08 09:02:27 PM  
All those people going on about SNAP being supplemental? Know how I know you've never been poor enough to have to choose between paying the electricity bill and eating?
 
2013-12-08 09:24:48 PM  
The wife always gets a $50 wal mart gift card from her company for Xmas so we go to wal mart and buy groceries once a year. Today was that day and we noticed the lack of quality fruits and vegetables. We don't go to some fancy whole foods place either. we shop at Kroger and the difference in fresh vegetables between Even Kroger and Wal Mart is crazy. I can't imagine the difference between that and  a grocery store in some inner city ghetto. Healthy eating is about access and opportunity
 
2013-12-08 09:39:10 PM  
Came here to post something similar.  I price everything in McDoubles, an excellent standard for caloric intake if any.  Bag of celery?  Two McDoubles.  Bag of oranges on say?  About three McDoubles.  I understand completely why those on a limited income and limited access to fresh food eat where they do.

Laziness?
Buying fresh food  and cooking your own meals is significantly cheaper than buying mcdoubles. If I want a full meal at mcdonalds for me and my girlfriend I am looking at $15 or more. Ground sirloin is 4.49lb, bag of frozen fries is 3.49, soda is 99c for a 2liter, cheese is less than 25c per slice of real cheese, buns are 50c ea, condiments are too cheap per serving to matter.
So approx $9 to make enough food for 2 people, using high end ingredients (ground sirloin, good quality cheese), with 1/2 bag of fries and half a 2liter left over. Or $15 at mcdonalds for less food, that tastes worse, has no nutritional value and is made out of the very lowest ingredients allowed by law.

I made this meal 2 nights ago for my girlfriend and I. It cost me under $10 and was delicious. The excuses for eating at fast food instead of cooking for yourself all boil down to the same thing - laziness.
 
2013-12-08 09:45:24 PM  

420Gabriel: Came here to post something similar.  I price everything in McDoubles, an excellent standard for caloric intake if any.  Bag of celery?  Two McDoubles.  Bag of oranges on say?  About three McDoubles.  I understand completely why those on a limited income and limited access to fresh food eat where they do.

Laziness?
Buying fresh food  and cooking your own meals is significantly cheaper than buying mcdoubles. If I want a full meal at mcdonalds for me and my girlfriend I am looking at $15 or more. Ground sirloin is 4.49lb, bag of frozen fries is 3.49, soda is 99c for a 2liter, cheese is less than 25c per slice of real cheese, buns are 50c ea, condiments are too cheap per serving to matter.
So approx $9 to make enough food for 2 people, using high end ingredients (ground sirloin, good quality cheese), with 1/2 bag of fries and half a 2liter left over. Or $15 at mcdonalds for less food, that tastes worse, has no nutritional value and is made out of the very lowest ingredients allowed by law.

I made this meal 2 nights ago for my girlfriend and I. It cost me under $10 and was delicious. The excuses for eating at fast food instead of cooking for yourself all boil down to the same thing - laziness.


Good thing you didnt have pick up your kids from the sitters in between your two jobs.  You know, lazyness.
 
2013-12-08 10:01:19 PM  

Frederick: theyre making choices on what dollar menu items to bring home from working at McDonalds with their food credits.


Apparently, you don't know that food stamps/SNAP debit cards can't be used for prepared foods?
 
2013-12-08 10:16:19 PM  

acohn: Frederick: theyre making choices on what dollar menu items to bring home from working at McDonalds with their food credits.

Apparently, you don't know that food stamps/SNAP debit cards can't be used for prepared foods?


Apparently you've never worked at McDonalds.  Most stores give their employees food credits during their shift, designed for lunch breaks.  But when I worked there that policy was flexible and employees often fed their kids with those credits.  YMMV

People who work at restaurants often eat from work for cheap out of necessity.
 
2013-12-08 10:18:30 PM  

acohn: Frederick: theyre making choices on what dollar menu items to bring home from working at McDonalds with their food credits.

Apparently, you don't know that food stamps/SNAP debit cards can't be used for prepared foods?


You can buy the left over cold fried chicken from the grocery, but don't even try to enjoy some hot and fresh fried chicken on Joe Taxpayer's dime, you leech!
 
2013-12-08 10:38:11 PM  

420Gabriel: Came here to post something similar.  I price everything in McDoubles, an excellent standard for caloric intake if any.  Bag of celery?  Two McDoubles.  Bag of oranges on say?  About three McDoubles.  I understand completely why those on a limited income and limited access to fresh food eat where they do.

Laziness?
Buying fresh food  and cooking your own meals is significantly cheaper than buying mcdoubles. If I want a full meal at mcdonalds for me and my girlfriend I am looking at $15 or more. Ground sirloin is 4.49lb, bag of frozen fries is 3.49, soda is 99c for a 2liter, cheese is less than 25c per slice of real cheese, buns are 50c ea, condiments are too cheap per serving to matter.
So approx $9 to make enough food for 2 people, using high end ingredients (ground sirloin, good quality cheese), with 1/2 bag of fries and half a 2liter left over. Or $15 at mcdonalds for less food, that tastes worse, has no nutritional value and is made out of the very lowest ingredients allowed by law.

I made this meal 2 nights ago for my girlfriend and I. It cost me under $10 and was delicious. The excuses for eating at fast food instead of cooking for yourself all boil down to the same thing - laziness.


I am with you a little bit, but you spent $10 for two people for dinner...multiply by 30 days, and you are now spending $300 a month for JUST dinner.  I will bet you don't spend $5 per person per dinner for the month.  Most people are looking at a calorie per dollar cost analysis, so if you are spending $15 at McD's, you are not spending from the value menu, which most poor people do.  The cost per McDouble is a good metric for comparison.

/food is way too expensive now-a-days
 
2013-12-08 11:26:12 PM  
Third Day Mark:
Quit buying the veggies and fruits at a whole foods type store.   Visit the farmers market.    Start spending 1 or 2 dollars for something rather than 5 or 6.   

We go to our preferred farmers market (there's about 3 or 4 in the area) and spend less than $25 bucks each week, most of the time under 20, and have fruits and veggies for every meal.   

/F*cking love zucchini now.
//broccoli too.


Around the Bay Area, farmers' markets sell produce (mostly organic) for double what you pay at Safeway (and that's saying a lot).  Only rich folks can afford them.
 
2013-12-09 12:14:47 AM  

acohn: Third Day Mark:
Quit buying the veggies and fruits at a whole foods type store.   Visit the farmers market.    Start spending 1 or 2 dollars for something rather than 5 or 6.
We go to our preferred farmers market (there's about 3 or 4 in the area) and spend less than $25 bucks each week, most of the time under 20, and have fruits and veggies for every meal.
/F*cking love zucchini now.
//broccoli too.

Around the Bay Area, farmers' markets sell produce (mostly organic) for double what you pay at Safeway (and that's saying a lot).  Only rich folks can afford them.


I think it's cheaper if you go to the FMs in like Gilroy, but that's just not practical for most people. I got rid of my car up here, so transportation costs/time factor into everything. I'm in a good 'hood so I can walk to Whole Foods, take a local bus to Safeway (or have them deliver).

The thing most of you do not realize, is that in poor black neighborhoods (predominately in black areas, but really most 'ghetto' areas) there may not even BE a grocery store.
 
2013-12-09 12:20:43 AM  

BullBearMS: Brown rice normally takes about an hour to make, but it's much healthier, as well as dirt cheap.


Let's lay this shibboleth to rest.  Brown rice is not healthier than white rice.  In fact, it's less healthy.  The bran coat contains anti-nutrients:  Phytate and haemagglutinin-lectin.  Phytate binds to most of the minerals in the bran, making then unavailable to humans, because we don't produce the enzyme phytase.  In addition, phytate binds certain minerals it comes in contact with, like magnesium and zinc. Haemagglutinin-lectin can bind to specific carbohydrate receptor sites in the intestinal lining and impede nutritional absorption.

Before anyone says, "just soak the rice," that doesn't de-activate phytate.  You have to soak *and* ferment the rice.  If you're hard-pressed for time, that's not a viable option.

White rice, OTOH, is just starch, unless it's grown in the U.S., in which case you get a generous helping of arsenic, according to Consumer Reports' testing.  Of course, it's always a crap shoot with any food from  China, so caveat emptor.
 
2013-12-09 05:32:28 AM  
 
2013-12-09 08:29:12 AM  
Fun fact: Rice is the only food that doesn't produce flatulence.
 
2013-12-09 10:14:13 AM  

Lady Indica: Anything else is just farking evil. I can't sit by in my warm coat and watch someone else shivering and listen to arguments about why they deserve to be cold. fark that. First let's get them warm, then let's figure out why they're cold and how to keep it fixed. If we have to help some broken people too...good.


But there are millions of cold people out there and one of them might be faking it so we shouldn't help any of them.

/that's what the Republican response sounds like
 
2013-12-09 10:51:12 AM  

Frederick: 420Gabriel: Came here to post something similar.  I price everything in McDoubles, an excellent standard for caloric intake if any.  Bag of celery?  Two McDoubles.  Bag of oranges on say?  About three McDoubles.  I understand completely why those on a limited income and limited access to fresh food eat where they do.

Laziness?
Buying fresh food  and cooking your own meals is significantly cheaper than buying mcdoubles. If I want a full meal at mcdonalds for me and my girlfriend I am looking at $15 or more. Ground sirloin is 4.49lb, bag of frozen fries is 3.49, soda is 99c for a 2liter, cheese is less than 25c per slice of real cheese, buns are 50c ea, condiments are too cheap per serving to matter.
So approx $9 to make enough food for 2 people, using high end ingredients (ground sirloin, good quality cheese), with 1/2 bag of fries and half a 2liter left over. Or $15 at mcdonalds for less food, that tastes worse, has no nutritional value and is made out of the very lowest ingredients allowed by law.

I made this meal 2 nights ago for my girlfriend and I. It cost me under $10 and was delicious. The excuses for eating at fast food instead of cooking for yourself all boil down to the same thing - laziness.

Good thing you didnt have pick up your kids from the sitters in between your two jobs.  You know, lazyness.


Probably shouldn't have had those two kids then.

At a certain point, I am not sympathetic towards peoples' decisions.

/haven't had my coffee. But I think, as with all things, education combined with public assistance is necessary. I have seen enough people on food stamps buying soda and needlessly expensive meats to know that there is often a large divide between what is possible and what the reality is.

There are also two conversations to be had. There is the case you all seem to be talking about, where a person is so far below the poverty line that the opportunity cost is significant. And then you have the lazy/uneducated crowd at an income higher than that, at which level they have the free time and sufficient money available but lack the skills/understanding of personal finance and culinary arts to use it.
 
2013-12-09 11:04:58 AM  

lennavan: Lady Indica: Anything else is just farking evil. I can't sit by in my warm coat and watch someone else shivering and listen to arguments about why they deserve to be cold. fark that. First let's get them warm, then let's figure out why they're cold and how to keep it fixed. If we have to help some broken people too...good.

But there are millions of cold people out there and one of them might be faking it so we shouldn't help any of them.

/that's what the Republican response sounds like


Which is fine to point out, but the recent cuts and near future cuts to the program can't happen without both parties signing off on them.

Just like the Republicans can't abolish Obamacare with just the House no matter how many votes they take on the matter.

On the same day that President Obama eloquently described his vision of an economy defined by economic mobility and opportunity for all, Senate Agriculture Committee Chairwoman Debbie Stabenow was busy cutting a deal with House Agriculture Committee Chairman Frank Lucas to slice another $8 to $9 billion from food stamps (SNAP), according to a source close to the negotiations.
 
2013-12-09 11:12:54 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: I_Am_Weasel: Only $1.50, that's all?  Everything is good then.


The average monthly SNAP benefit per person is $133.85, or less than $1.50 per person, per meal.

http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/programs-and-services/ pu blic-assistance-programs/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program/sna p-myths-realities.aspx#

Oh.

What bullshiat. The S in SNAP stands for supplemental. As in it is to be used in addition to any funds otherwise, from governmental benefit or through work, used for food.


So... your solution is for them to stop being so poor.

Thanks, Governor Romney, didn't realize you were on Fark.
 
2013-12-09 11:15:19 AM  

BullBearMS: lennavan: Lady Indica: Anything else is just farking evil. I can't sit by in my warm coat and watch someone else shivering and listen to arguments about why they deserve to be cold. fark that. First let's get them warm, then let's figure out why they're cold and how to keep it fixed. If we have to help some broken people too...good.

But there are millions of cold people out there and one of them might be faking it so we shouldn't help any of them.

/that's what the Republican response sounds like

Which is fine to point out, but the recent cuts and near future cuts to the program can't happen without both parties signing off on them.

Just like the Republicans can't abolish Obamacare with just the House no matter how many votes they take on the matter.

On the same day that President Obama eloquently described his vision of an economy defined by economic mobility and opportunity for all, Senate Agriculture Committee Chairwoman Debbie Stabenow was busy cutting a deal with House Agriculture Committee Chairman Frank Lucas to slice another $8 to $9 billion from food stamps (SNAP), according to a source close to the negotiations.


BSAB,SVR.

Dems shouldn't have thrown the poor and hungry under the bus to "compromise" with the GOP. Then again, I'm not a Dem, I'm a liberal.
 
2013-12-09 11:27:58 AM  

BullBearMS: lennavan: Lady Indica: Anything else is just farking evil. I can't sit by in my warm coat and watch someone else shivering and listen to arguments about why they deserve to be cold. fark that. First let's get them warm, then let's figure out why they're cold and how to keep it fixed. If we have to help some broken people too...good.

But there are millions of cold people out there and one of them might be faking it so we shouldn't help any of them.

/that's what the Republican response sounds like

Which is fine to point out, but the recent cuts and near future cuts to the program can't happen without both parties signing off on them.

Just like the Republicans can't abolish Obamacare with just the House no matter how many votes they take on the matter.

On the same day that President Obama eloquently described his vision of an economy defined by economic mobility and opportunity for all, Senate Agriculture Committee Chairwoman Debbie Stabenow was busy cutting a deal with House Agriculture Committee Chairman Frank Lucas to slice another $8 to $9 billion from food stamps (SNAP), according to a source close to the negotiations.


Oh I agree.  It seems to me we have a far right party and a centrist party in power.  There is essentially no left.
 
2013-12-09 11:59:54 AM  

lennavan: BullBearMS: lennavan: Lady Indica: Anything else is just farking evil. I can't sit by in my warm coat and watch someone else shivering and listen to arguments about why they deserve to be cold. fark that. First let's get them warm, then let's figure out why they're cold and how to keep it fixed. If we have to help some broken people too...good.

But there are millions of cold people out there and one of them might be faking it so we shouldn't help any of them.

/that's what the Republican response sounds like

Which is fine to point out, but the recent cuts and near future cuts to the program can't happen without both parties signing off on them.

Just like the Republicans can't abolish Obamacare with just the House no matter how many votes they take on the matter.

On the same day that President Obama eloquently described his vision of an economy defined by economic mobility and opportunity for all, Senate Agriculture Committee Chairwoman Debbie Stabenow was busy cutting a deal with House Agriculture Committee Chairman Frank Lucas to slice another $8 to $9 billion from food stamps (SNAP), according to a source close to the negotiations.

Oh I agree.  It seems to me we have a far right party and a centrist party in power.  There is essentially no left.


I wouldn't even call the Democrats centrists any more. They just worked with Republicans to save the Bush tax cuts for the rich when they automatically expired (finally) at the end of last year. (OMG! If we let them expire it's the FISCAL CLIFF!!!1!!)

They made them a permanent part of the tax code instead. Now they are turning around weeks later and cutting entitlements left and right?

That isn't centrist. That's plutocratic.
 
2013-12-09 12:39:18 PM  
There are 3 huge issues in eating healthy while broke that nobody takes into account:

1) Time - enough said

2) The ability to buy in bulk - both enough living space to store food AND enough breathing room per paycheck so you can cash in on sales.

3) Taste/Pleasure - sure I could eat beans and brown rice for the rest of my life, or I could have a cheeseburger off the dollar menu. Moreover, since you're life is crappy 24/7, junk food is the only self-medication you can afford.
 
2013-12-09 02:35:22 PM  

shortymac: 3) Taste/Pleasure - sure I could eat beans and brown rice for the rest of my life, or I could have a cheeseburger off the dollar menu. Moreover, since you're life is crappy 24/7, junk food is the only self-medication you can afford.


There's also a willpower component to it. The more you have to use your willpower, the less likely you are to be able to deny yourself when the right temptation comes up. This is the explanation for the plasma TV thing.

/"I ought to be able to have  some enjoyment to my life, since I didn't buy this, that, and the other thing I wanted."
 
2013-12-09 07:32:22 PM  

shortymac: Moreover, since you're life is crappy 24/7, junk food is the only self-medication you can afford.


Everything else you said was smart too, but this doesn't come around enough.

People have to stay sane. When it gets down and you're desperate for any bright point in your day/week/month, junk food can and does save lives.

With all the costs discussed in this thread($, time, effort, knowledge), on top of a generally crappy life, that's all some people can do, treat themselves on teh cheap.

I can't blame anyone who eats unhealthy for lack of time, money, location, education, ability.

The only one's that annoy me are the rich fat bastards.  Sure, there's a balance, if they're a workaholic and don't "have" the time, they fall under the same umbrella that poor people that HAVE to work.  Granted, all the stress of that is voluntary for them, but at that point it's a life choice.  Career or health.  In today's society, career is pretty damned important.

Of course, "healthy" is somewhat objective.  Do I have to weigh less than 200 pounds at 6'2"?  220?  250?

I don't ever get really sick, but I can't run a marathon.  I have a full time job(that turns into more, because laundry, traveling, getting ready for work, getting enough sleep[usually] etc).  I pay my taxes and health insurance.

So what if I'm not eating "healthy"?

So I die younger, maybe.  Tons of "healthy"(skinny) people die "younger" as well.  They get cancer or hit by a bus, or have a heart attack while doing their morning 5k or die in a burning wrecked Porche.

I think we place too much importance on health, and no where near enough on intelligence, education, and contribution to society and a few other categories(long monday at work and I'm running out of steam, I had more...honest).

"Healthy" people see themselves as superior, because they can't in any of those other categories.

/HA!
 
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