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2013-12-08 07:59:12 AM
Got a friend in Australia who agrees. He's pissed that they're letting items sit stockpiled (including food that's going to waste) at some church he's stuck volunteering at for his unemployment right now instead of actually giving the items to people in need--seems those donations don't go out from those bins except to people that particular place deems "fit" (read: members of that particular church whom the board decrees 'deserving of help').

Same goes here in the States--Salvation Army sells the stuff rather than giving it to people in need.

You want it to go to people in need, take it to a local homeless shelter. There's one here in Oklahoma City that I take my stuff to in order to donate it. Stuff that goes there actually goes to people in the shelter rather than getting sold.
 
2013-12-08 07:59:22 AM
I know it's early, so it could just be me, but that article was so poorly written. I am actually dumber for having read it.
 
2013-12-08 07:59:24 AM
So, let's get this sh*t in perspective, here.  The richest nation on earth has to set up fancy dumpsters with snazzy paint jobs so that they can collect crap nobody wanted anymore so that poor people will have clothing and shoes - and, bonus - there's a small industry of collecting these castoffs and selling them, instead.

:  /

www.cedmagic.com
"Come into the parlor."
 
2013-12-08 08:02:47 AM
Subby is an idiot. Companies were dropping of boxes in parking lots without the property owners permission, and making the look like a charity donation when they were not. The cluttered parking lots, and would become eyesores as they aged. Some boxes wouldn't have company contact information, if the property owners did want them removed. Permitting allows for rules to regulate the boxes, help property owners and protect the public from scammers.
 
2013-12-08 08:15:05 AM

Aigoo: Got a friend in Australia who agrees. He's pissed that they're letting items sit stockpiled (including food that's going to waste) at some church he's stuck volunteering at for his unemployment right now instead of actually giving the items to people in need--seems those donations don't go out from those bins except to people that particular place deems "fit" (read: members of that particular church whom the board decrees 'deserving of help').

Same goes here in the States--Salvation Army sells the stuff rather than giving it to people in need.

You want it to go to people in need, take it to a local homeless shelter. There's one here in Oklahoma City that I take my stuff to in order to donate it. Stuff that goes there actually goes to people in the shelter rather than getting sold.


The items they sell is to pay for other programs they run like homeless shelters, soup kitchens, disaster relief, drug rehab and such. They do however give plenty of the items donated to them away, whenever there is a natural disaster and you see a truckload of clothing and blankets show up, chances are it came from them. They also do a lot in local communities for people who lose everything in home fires and the like.
 
2013-12-08 08:35:41 AM

ReapTheChaos: Aigoo: Got a friend in Australia who agrees. He's pissed that they're letting items sit stockpiled (including food that's going to waste) at some church he's stuck volunteering at for his unemployment right now instead of actually giving the items to people in need--seems those donations don't go out from those bins except to people that particular place deems "fit" (read: members of that particular church whom the board decrees 'deserving of help').

Same goes here in the States--Salvation Army sells the stuff rather than giving it to people in need.

You want it to go to people in need, take it to a local homeless shelter. There's one here in Oklahoma City that I take my stuff to in order to donate it. Stuff that goes there actually goes to people in the shelter rather than getting sold.

The items they sell is to pay for other programs they run like homeless shelters, soup kitchens, disaster relief, drug rehab and such. They do however give plenty of the items donated to them away, whenever there is a natural disaster and you see a truckload of clothing and blankets show up, chances are it came from them. They also do a lot in local communities for people who lose everything in home fires and the like.


Came to say this. When you donate to Sal Val, you aren't donating directly to the homeless/poor, you're donating to the fundraising effort so they can actually help the homeless/poor/drug addicted with things they actually need.

Likewise, people like to biatch about Goodwill not giving items to poor people. That's not their gig. They operate the thrift stores to raise money for the disabled and disenfranchised, and to give them an opportunity to work in some cases.

If you want your shiatty second-hand Hello Kitty footie pajamas to go directly to some poor schmuck, there's always a dozen churches around with clothing drives going on.
 
2013-12-08 08:38:33 AM
Speaking as someone who's lucky enough to be able to drop stuff off at these things, I can't say that I truly care exactly what happens to it. Either way, the stuff is out of my place and doing someone else some good as opposed to if I'd just put it in the trash.

/Just went through my clothes and dropped off a bunch of stuff last week.
 
2013-12-08 08:44:59 AM
I'm gonna let trollmitter in on a secret. The reason we have regulations and a humorless beaurocracy to enforce them is that there is always some stupid motherfarker who can't be trusted to do the right thing. We actually let most things go until some stupid motherfarker doesn't do the right thing.

Then we have to publicly say stupidly obvious shiat like "don't dump toxic waste into the public water supply" or "if you want to be treated like a charity then your work should benefit others more than yourself."

If you stop and consider this it really strikes home how farked up as a species we are. Because even with stating the obvious, we still have a significant portion of the population who say "fark you" and deliberately do the opposite of the right thing.
 
2013-12-08 08:48:56 AM
I've tried making my donations to those bins, but it isn't as nice as the clinic where they give me porn and let me take my time in a private room....
 
2013-12-08 08:53:49 AM
There was a scandal that broke here in Canada a few years ago. Many scam for-profit "charities" were placing collection bins out there with similar names to legitimate charities. They were for-profit clothing recyclers whose proceeds were going to their own pockets. They named names. Many quickly disappeared after that.

But as PT Barnum said: there's a sucker born every minute and just last year, some dubious bins started popping up again.
 
2013-12-08 08:55:44 AM
If someone dumps bins aon your property without permission, fine.
A little bit of work and a cutting torch and you have some scrap metal to haul away.

or

You can tell the local scrap collector that it is abandoned on your land and you want it gone. It will be gone fast.
 
2013-12-08 09:08:01 AM

Astorix: There was a scandal that broke here in Canada a few years ago. Many scam for-profit "charities" were placing collection bins out there with similar names to legitimate charities. They were for-profit clothing recyclers whose proceeds were going to their own pockets. They named names. Many quickly disappeared after that.

But as PT Barnum said: there's a sucker born every minute and just last year, some dubious bins started popping up again.


Arson is an indictable offence. So don't donate a flaming bottle of gasoline. Seriously, don't do that. That would be wrong.
 
2013-12-08 09:13:00 AM
So there a few profiteers out there who are getting in on the "donated clothing charity" scheme. They're just joining the "send us your money to help_________" TV and junk mail campaigns. The record of those guys is equally suspect.
 
2013-12-08 09:17:26 AM

ReapTheChaos: Aigoo: Got a friend in Australia who agrees. He's pissed that they're letting items sit stockpiled (including food that's going to waste) at some church he's stuck volunteering at for his unemployment right now instead of actually giving the items to people in need--seems those donations don't go out from those bins except to people that particular place deems "fit" (read: members of that particular church whom the board decrees 'deserving of help').

Same goes here in the States--Salvation Army sells the stuff rather than giving it to people in need.

You want it to go to people in need, take it to a local homeless shelter. There's one here in Oklahoma City that I take my stuff to in order to donate it. Stuff that goes there actually goes to people in the shelter rather than getting sold.

The items they sell is to pay for other programs they run like homeless shelters, soup kitchens, disaster relief, drug rehab and such. They do however give plenty of the items donated to them away, whenever there is a natural disaster and you see a truckload of clothing and blankets show up, chances are it came from them. They also do a lot in local communities for people who lose everything in home fires and the like.


They also go to fund programs to cure people of being gay, homeless shelters that refuse beds to gay men unless they attend the program, and farking bells annoying people ring outside every store this time of year.
 
2013-12-08 09:28:31 AM
People suck. Ideally, the regulations would make people suck less. In reality, people just find new ways in which to suck.

/the real obnoxious ones biatch that it's their right to suck and cause problems
 
2013-12-08 09:34:42 AM

Infobahn: Subby is an idiot. Companies were dropping of boxes in parking lots without the property owners permission, and making the look like a charity donation when they were not. The cluttered parking lots, and would become eyesores as they aged. Some boxes wouldn't have company contact information, if the property owners did want them removed. Permitting allows for rules to regulate the boxes, help property owners and protect the public from scammers.


But the Free Market? The Species?
 
2013-12-08 09:55:40 AM

Infobahn: Subby is an idiot. Companies were dropping of boxes in parking lots without the property owners permission, and making the look like a charity donation when they were not. The cluttered parking lots, and would become eyesores as they aged. Some boxes wouldn't have company contact information, if the property owners did want them removed. Permitting allows for rules to regulate the boxes, help property owners and protect the public from scammers.


This.

www.cyburbia.org
 
2013-12-08 10:10:52 AM
A lot of those so-called charities pay their line employees slave wages, while their upper management drives BMWs and cash six figure checks.  At the end of the day they are just businesses that have found a way to get their inventory basically for free (with some sorting/collecting cost), not have to pay taxes, and employ really cheap labor without having to worry about their customers complaining about how slow or weird the cashier is, since everyone knows to feel sorry for the poor guy.

Still shop at thrift stores occasionally, especially for books and old games.  Don't pretend they are more noble than the reality would suggest, though I do always feel better about the for profit second hand places that at least give poor people much needed money for their old junk.
 
2013-12-08 12:08:12 PM
When dropping gently used items in donation boxes this holiday season, remember that someone could be profiting from those items.

one way or another someone will profit. so what?

and i fail to see how getting a permit will keep private property owners from getting unwanted boxes. unless of course you start a whole new department of drop off boxes regulation department. with a staff of three, an office, office furniture and supplies, a car to go around to check out the locations, a truck with winch to drag off unpermitted boxes -- all of which will require a 2 mill tax increase.
 
2013-12-08 01:00:24 PM

Curious: When dropping gently used items in donation boxes this holiday season, remember that someone could be profiting from those items.

one way or another someone will profit. so what?

and i fail to see how getting a permit will keep private property owners from getting unwanted boxes. unless of course you start a whole new department of drop off boxes regulation department. with a staff of three, an office, office furniture and supplies, a car to go around to check out the locations, a truck with winch to drag off unpermitted boxes -- all of which will require a 2 mill tax increase.


Time to get a truck and get in on the ground floor of a donation bin impound lot. $50 impound claim fee plus $20 per day storage.
 
2013-12-08 01:11:26 PM
A couple of years ago, there were Salvation Army bins in the parking lot of a grocery store. Then, over night, up popped a couple of new bins, painted to closely resemble the Salvation Army ones and positioned right next to them.

One had to look close to find that those bins were from a for-profit company which resold the 'donations', often overseas.

The Salvation Army complained because the bins were not only near duplicates of theirs, but jammed real close, meaning a lot of folks would accidentally drop donations into them. The company owner claimed he had the right to paint his bins as he chose and the positioning of them was just an effort to be neat.

The basic concept was that he was using his look-alike bins to gain more profitable materials by misleading donors.

In the end, the owners of the store had all of the bins removed. They didn't want to get involved in what was fast turning into a legal squabble. Actually, thanks to this shady company, quite a few of the Salvation Army bins as well as the fake ones were removed from parking lots.

So, one greedy bastige ruined it for everyone.

I hate sleaze bags.

At least now, any such bins are not allowed to mimic those of the Salvation Army and must have contact and company information clearly displayed on them. City ordinance.
 
2013-12-08 01:25:13 PM
And some op-ed piece somewhere will complain about "meddling government bureaucracy."

That's how it starts folks.
 
2013-12-08 02:37:21 PM
Subby's headline: Somebody thinks the donation bin industry needs to be more heavily regulated

Party(R) of small Government(R)

drop a bin on some private property without owners written permission, including a contract on how it is organized? Call the scrap dealer to haul it away.

/Also instigate an investigation into these so-called "charities" to be sure they are not just scammers.
//Scammers are sometimes known as 'church' or give us money to feed/clothes your local less-fortunate and make the check out to "Scammers incorporated , big farking office tower, Wallstreet America"
 
2013-12-08 05:38:45 PM

ReapTheChaos: Aigoo: Got a friend in Australia who agrees. He's pissed that they're letting items sit stockpiled (including food that's going to waste) at some church he's stuck volunteering at for his unemployment right now instead of actually giving the items to people in need--seems those donations don't go out from those bins except to people that particular place deems "fit" (read: members of that particular church whom the board decrees 'deserving of help').

Same goes here in the States--Salvation Army sells the stuff rather than giving it to people in need.

You want it to go to people in need, take it to a local homeless shelter. There's one here in Oklahoma City that I take my stuff to in order to donate it. Stuff that goes there actually goes to people in the shelter rather than getting sold.

The items they sell is to pay for other programs they run like homeless shelters, soup kitchens, disaster relief, drug rehab and such. They do however give plenty of the items donated to them away, whenever there is a natural disaster and you see a truckload of clothing and blankets show up, chances are it came from them. They also do a lot in local communities for people who lose everything in home fires and the like.


I have no love at all for the Salvation Army. None. At Christmas, my loathing increases exponentially because those bells cause me literal physical pain everywhere I go for a farking month. You see, the Salvation Army does not give one royal shiat about those of us who have suffered traumatic brain injuries and who continue to suffer symptoms for the rest of our lives--odd, considering I live and do business within 5-10 miles of a military base and encounter many people in the same situation as me and have written the "powers that be" at the Salvation Army regarding this particular issue and they do not give a shiat. So while I'm glad that you think they are wonderful, that plus other experiences with them during my lifetime have caused me to despise them with a hatred reserved for few organizations on this planet.

And to answer your statements regarding their work, here locally, our truckloads of supplies that came in May came from a local soup kitchen, thousands of local folks who donated at the local tv station, and the Red Cross--Salvation Army was nowhere in sight, nor were they anywhere in sight in 2011 when the Piedmont tornado hit.

http://www.charitywatch.org/articles/salvarmy.html

http://www.salvationarmy.ca/2012/07/31/salvation-army-response-to-mo ne ysense-2012-charity-100-report/

They fall under 501c3, so many organizations cannot or do not even rate them, but the ones that do all agree that the Salvation Army has a major problem with financial accountability that needs to be fixed.

Again, glad you think highly of them. I have had several  experiences with the Salvation Army that has put them about three places below Westboro on my shiat list, and I don't see them coming off it any time soon.
 
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