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(Daily Mail)   Now the mother of a child can just give the kid up for adoption without any say so from the father, who was willing to raise the child himself without her   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 197
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2013-12-07 08:17:41 PM
But if she had wanted to keep the baby and prevent him from spending any time with the child he would have been on the hook for child support.
 
2013-12-07 08:27:56 PM
Mr King decided to move out on his own and rented an apartment for his ex and future baby a month before graduating high school.

He's a college kid?
 
2013-12-07 08:35:25 PM

doglover: Mr King decided to move out on his own and rented an apartment for his ex and future baby a month before graduating high school.

He's a college kid?


Did the article say he got into a college?
 
2013-12-07 08:47:36 PM
Can he even afford a babby? Two high school diploma jobs could mean startups with unlimited growth potential, like Microsoft, or it could mean a double shift on a fryer and two different paper hats.

What about his family? Are they helping? Does he have plans to go to college? Vocational school? Mine gold?

This article needs some more deets to asses the situation. He seems direct, though. I like 'im.
 
2013-12-07 08:48:39 PM
Women's "reproductive rights".
 
2013-12-07 08:52:16 PM

doglover: Can he even afford a babby? Two high school diploma jobs could mean startups with unlimited growth potential, like Microsoft, or it could mean a double shift on a fryer and two different paper hats.

What about his family? Are they helping? Does he have plans to go to college? Vocational school? Mine gold?

This article needs some more deets to asses the situation. He seems direct, though. I like 'im.


Single fathers can qualify for WIC.
 
2013-12-07 08:59:42 PM

doglover: Can he even afford a babby? Two high school diploma jobs could mean startups with unlimited growth potential, like Microsoft, or it could mean a double shift on a fryer and two different paper hats.

What about his family? Are they helping? Does he have plans to go to college? Vocational school? Mine gold?

This article needs some more deets to asses the situation. He seems direct, though. I like 'im.


Doesn't matter, legally speaking. Involuntary termination of parental rights is one of the highest standards a civil court will ever have to meet. If the judge denied him his parental rights, the judge should be removed from the bench. There is not a judge in the country who would forcibly put a child up for adoption because the mother had no close family or didn't go to college. The father should have the same luxury.
 
2013-12-07 09:02:12 PM
surplus crotchfruit
 
2013-12-07 09:06:06 PM

ArkAngel: doglover: Can he even afford a babby? Two high school diploma jobs could mean startups with unlimited growth potential, like Microsoft, or it could mean a double shift on a fryer and two different paper hats.

What about his family? Are they helping? Does he have plans to go to college? Vocational school? Mine gold?

This article needs some more deets to asses the situation. He seems direct, though. I like 'im.

Doesn't matter, legally speaking. Involuntary termination of parental rights is one of the highest standards a civil court will ever have to meet. If the judge denied him his parental rights, the judge should be removed from the bench. There is not a judge in the country who would forcibly put a child up for adoption because the mother had no close family or didn't go to college. The father should have the same luxury.


It seems the article is missing something important.  There must be more to this..
 
2013-12-07 09:08:17 PM

BizarreMan: But if she had wanted to keep the baby and prevent him from spending any time with the child he would have been on the hook for child support.


There *is* a way to prevent all that drama, y'know?
 
2013-12-07 09:16:16 PM

doglover: Can he even afford a babby? Two high school diploma jobs could mean startups with unlimited growth potential, like Microsoft, or it could mean a double shift on a fryer and two different paper hats.

What about his family? Are they helping? Does he have plans to go to college? Vocational school? Mine gold?

This article needs some more deets to asses the situation. He seems direct, though. I like 'im.


It could also mean construction, carpentry, HVAC, car mechanic or electrician making somewhere in between.

But, you know. One or zero, I guess.
 
2013-12-07 09:21:23 PM

Mangoose: It could also mean construction, carpentry, HVAC, car mechanic or electrician making somewhere in between.


Do they let high school kids drive the Komatsu stuff. Operators can pull $50/h, but I would assume you'd have to be over 21 to get proper insurance/license.
 
2013-12-07 09:28:19 PM

ArkAngel: Doesn't matter, legally speaking. Involuntary termination of parental rights is one of the highest standards a civil court will ever have to meet. If the judge denied him his parental rights, the judge should be removed from the bench. There is not a judge in the country who would forcibly put a child up for adoption because the mother had no close family or didn't go to college. The father should have the same luxury.


Missouri had a case of a jailed illegal immigrant and the courts allowed someone to adopt her child. When she was released, and about to get deported, she started fighting to get her kid back. Last I heard Missouri was still siding with the adoptive parents. Only problem is no one asked the mom.
 
2013-12-07 10:09:49 PM
i.imgur.com
Should I start popping? Yes? No? I can't tell.
 
2013-12-07 10:15:46 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Women's "reproductive rights".


Yet only a handful of Judges have the balls to say "Not anymore".
 
2013-12-07 10:16:08 PM

edmo: ArkAngel: Doesn't matter, legally speaking. Involuntary termination of parental rights is one of the highest standards a civil court will ever have to meet. If the judge denied him his parental rights, the judge should be removed from the bench. There is not a judge in the country who would forcibly put a child up for adoption because the mother had no close family or didn't go to college. The father should have the same luxury.

Missouri had a case of a jailed illegal immigrant and the courts allowed someone to adopt her child. When she was released, and about to get deported, she started fighting to get her kid back. Last I heard Missouri was still siding with the adoptive parents. Only problem is no one asked the mom.


So men, and illegals, don't matter.
 
2013-12-07 10:17:36 PM
A good reason to have a lawyer on retainer. My son is mine, trumping "mother state" norms.
 
2013-12-07 10:18:05 PM
My body, my choice.

-the reluctant troll
 
2013-12-07 10:18:57 PM
Poor bastard.
 
2013-12-07 10:19:22 PM

the_celt: ArkAngel: doglover: Can he even afford a babby? Two high school diploma jobs could mean startups with unlimited growth potential, like Microsoft, or it could mean a double shift on a fryer and two different paper hats.

What about his family? Are they helping? Does he have plans to go to college? Vocational school? Mine gold?

This article needs some more deets to asses the situation. He seems direct, though. I like 'im.

Doesn't matter, legally speaking. Involuntary termination of parental rights is one of the highest standards a civil court will ever have to meet. If the judge denied him his parental rights, the judge should be removed from the bench. There is not a judge in the country who would forcibly put a child up for adoption because the mother had no close family or didn't go to college. The father should have the same luxury.

It seems the article is missing something important.  There must be more to this..


A Daily Mail story about a legal case in Southern California?  No, I'm positive they have presented all the facts accurately.
 
2013-12-07 10:21:54 PM
The mother sounds like a coont and a twat. A tunt, if you will.

/ IF the DailyMail didn't make things up that is.
 
2013-12-07 10:22:03 PM

ArkAngel: doglover: Can he even afford a babby? Two high school diploma jobs could mean startups with unlimited growth potential, like Microsoft, or it could mean a double shift on a fryer and two different paper hats.

What about his family? Are they helping? Does he have plans to go to college? Vocational school? Mine gold?

This article needs some more deets to asses the situation. He seems direct, though. I like 'im.

Doesn't matter, legally speaking. Involuntary termination of parental rights is one of the highest standards a civil court will ever have to meet. If the judge denied him his parental rights, the judge should be removed from the bench. There is not a judge in the country who would forcibly put a child up for adoption because the mother had no close family or didn't go to college. The father should have the same luxury.


Unfortunately you are quite wrong. 

 This has been happening with Indian Children for a long time now (recall Baby Veronica? There have been other children similarly "adopted" out by that shiathole adoption company) and that's *with* the federal protection of the Indian Child Wellfare Act.  

 Dad's have been getting the shaft for a long time now, as a country we need to do something about it. 

 My favorite has been the complaints that men "Don't stick around" to take care of their children. Well, that is definitely true in some cases. But apparently it's not really that big of a deal because on the occasions where they *do*, we tend to terminate their parental rights without so much as a second look. 

 It's disgusting.
 
2013-12-07 10:23:37 PM

donnielove: the_celt: ArkAngel: doglover: Can he even afford a babby? Two high school diploma jobs could mean startups with unlimited growth potential, like Microsoft, or it could mean a double shift on a fryer and two different paper hats.

What about his family? Are they helping? Does he have plans to go to college? Vocational school? Mine gold?

This article needs some more deets to asses the situation. He seems direct, though. I like 'im.

Doesn't matter, legally speaking. Involuntary termination of parental rights is one of the highest standards a civil court will ever have to meet. If the judge denied him his parental rights, the judge should be removed from the bench. There is not a judge in the country who would forcibly put a child up for adoption because the mother had no close family or didn't go to college. The father should have the same luxury.

It seems the article is missing something important.  There must be more to this..

A Daily Mail story about a legal case in Southern California?  No, I'm positive they have presented all the facts accurately.


This. It's like some farkers have never seen Daily Fail links before.
 
2013-12-07 10:26:34 PM

doglover: Mr King decided to move out on his own and rented an apartment for his ex and future baby a month before graduating high school.

He's a college kid?


I don't know, but this guy is definitely a freaking saint.
 
2013-12-07 10:28:48 PM
who cares?

anybody who brings a kid into this world
is a deranged, self-serving asswipe
mother OR father.

there is no future for your children
the world has too many people,
no jobs, compassion
or decency
 
2013-12-07 10:29:42 PM
Is this the thread where all the deadbeat dads complain that because women can make a choice about being pregnant, dads should have a separate and special right to avoid paying child support?
 
2013-12-07 10:30:03 PM
It is probably a mischaracterization of the story, but the law around fatherhood is farking strange.

Paternity tests for every child as a matter of course - ask the mother who the likely suspects are, and they get tested. No test? No father. No father? No child support. (Unless extenuating circumstances like documented abuse, etc).

Don't know who the father is at birth? Well now.
 
2013-12-07 10:30:08 PM
The only other places I can find information on this are the guys facebook page, or other news sites linking to the Daily Mail. So I'd take anything here with a grain of salt.

Still it's odd that they wouldn't put him on the birth certificate. It doesn't seem like the mother isn't claiming it's his or anything.
 
2013-12-07 10:30:59 PM

crazyeddie: Is this the thread where all the deadbeat dads complain that because women can make a choice about being pregnant, dads should have a separate and special right to avoid paying child support?


No. That's over in the Sports tab.
 
2013-12-07 10:31:06 PM

Tommy Moo: doglover: Mr King decided to move out on his own and rented an apartment for his ex and future baby a month before graduating high school.

He's a college kid?

I don't know, but this guy is definitely a freaking saint.


Yeah he farked some girl and got her pregnant. Amazing. He's one in a million. Superhuman.
 
2013-12-07 10:32:20 PM
Good.  The menz are unable to raise babbies.  Its they're bilogicle drive to rap the babby and instain them.
 
2013-12-07 10:32:34 PM

crazyeddie: Is this the thread where all the deadbeat dads complain that because women can make a choice about being pregnant, dads should have a separate and special right to avoid paying child support?


No it's the one where people complain about how the legal system is biased towards mothers when it comes to children even to the point where someone can have their parental rights removed for no reason.
 
2013-12-07 10:32:38 PM

davynelson: who cares?

anybody who brings a kid into this world
is a deranged, self-serving asswipe
mother OR father.

there is no future for your children
the world has too many people,
no jobs, compassion
or decency


Those problems are all due to people, not carrying capacity.

You're basically saying that only an asshole brings a child into a world full of assholes. I guess that makes sense.
 
2013-12-07 10:32:51 PM
Oh, and the father then has equal parental rights (and responsibilities), in case the intent of my post wasn't clear.

Still doesn't fix the inequities of the mother carrying the child to term, but this is the farking 21st century. Questions of paternity (and the resulting lack of parental interest from many dads) needs to go. We have a cheap fix.
 
2013-12-07 10:34:40 PM

crazyeddie: Is this the thread where all the deadbeat dads complain that because women can make a choice about being pregnant, dads should have a separate and special right to avoid paying child support?


No, this is the thread where it's shown evidentially clear that mother's rights always trump father's rights, because vagina.
 
2013-12-07 10:34:51 PM

crazyeddie: Is this the thread where all the deadbeat dads complain that because women can make a choice about being pregnant, dads should have a separate and special right to avoid paying child support?


Here it is in picture form:

tobylaura.com
 
2013-12-07 10:35:11 PM

ph0rk: It is probably a mischaracterization of the story, but the law around fatherhood is farking strange.

Paternity tests for every child as a matter of course - ask the mother who the likely suspects are, and they get tested. No test? No father. No father? No child support. (Unless extenuating circumstances like documented abuse, etc).

Don't know who the father is at birth? Well now.


So, if they want monetary support, they'll name a father, and if they don't want the father to have any rights, they won't.

They'd still gave all the power to fark over the guy in the way they see fit, monetarily or not.
 
2013-12-07 10:36:21 PM
Can't take care of his dick, how's he going to take care of a baby?
 
2013-12-07 10:36:39 PM
donnielove:

A Daily Mail story about a legal case in Southern California?  No, I'm positive they have presented all the facts accurately.

Well, it does link to a website in support of whatever and a facebook page link. I guess you could....like or friend him and get right to the source? I dunno.
 
2013-12-07 10:37:14 PM

sendtodave: So, if they want monetary support, they'll name a father, and if they don't want the father to have any rights, they won't.

They'd still gave all the power to fark over the guy in the way they see fit, monetarily or not.


I suppose, but at least the law would be consistent. As it stands now, there are plenty of cases of fathers making child support payments who rarely if ever see their children and don't get to participate in any of the child raising decisions.
 
2013-12-07 10:37:25 PM
Responsibilities, how do they work?
 
2013-12-07 10:38:27 PM
I'd like to correct the article. This is not the same as baby Veronica. It sounds like the father has always wanted to be a parent to the child which is different than the other case.
 
2013-12-07 10:40:51 PM
The basic law is that if he isn't married to the girl and hasn't been financially supporting the kid, he doesn't have parental rights like deciding whether or not to put the kid up for adoption.

Maybe he could argue that custody reverts to him if she was just randomly abandoning the kid... but a proper adoption, where she retains custody until the new parents finish the paperwork, then they take custody?  No, most likely the court system is going to continue to tell him to go fark himself.

// Buying a couple bits of baby furniture is not the same as 'financial support'.  shiat like paying in for prenatal care that the hospital has record of might give him something, though.  Renting an apartment also doesn't really prove anything.
 
2013-12-07 10:41:01 PM
This is California, the father has no paternal rights.  Just be glad you weren't married.  If you divorced her your son would have still been adopted by strangers and you would still owe your ex for child support.

California has some farked up laws about kids.  They almost make Texas look sane.

/Almost
 
2013-12-07 10:41:17 PM

ph0rk: sendtodave: So, if they want monetary support, they'll name a father, and if they don't want the father to have any rights, they won't.

They'd still gave all the power to fark over the guy in the way they see fit, monetarily or not.

I suppose, but at least the law would be consistent. As it stands now, there are plenty of cases of fathers making child support payments who rarely if ever see their children and don't get to participate in any of the child raising decisions.


We still hold fast to the idea that the mothers should raise the children, and the fathers should provide financial support.

Because this is the 1950s.
 
2013-12-07 10:43:43 PM

Jim_Callahan: The basic law is that if he isn't married to the girl and hasn't been financially supporting the kid, he doesn't have parental rights like deciding whether or not to put the kid up for adoption.

Maybe he could argue that custody reverts to him if she was just randomly abandoning the kid... but a proper adoption, where she retains custody until the new parents finish the paperwork, then they take custody?  No, most likely the court system is going to continue to tell him to go fark himself.

// Buying a couple bits of baby furniture is not the same as 'financial support'.  shiat like paying in for prenatal care that the hospital has record of might give him something, though.  Renting an apartment also doesn't really prove anything.


So basically the law is biased in favor of women.
 
2013-12-07 10:43:47 PM

davynelson: who cares?

anybody who brings a kid into this world
is a deranged, self-serving asswipe
mother OR father.

there is no future for your children
the world has too many people,
no jobs, compassion
or decency


Or just someone who forgot to pull out when they got startled after they got a phone alert that they have an email or Facebook update.
 
2013-12-07 10:45:07 PM

sendtodave: ph0rk: sendtodave: So, if they want monetary support, they'll name a father, and if they don't want the father to have any rights, they won't.

They'd still gave all the power to fark over the guy in the way they see fit, monetarily or not.

I suppose, but at least the law would be consistent. As it stands now, there are plenty of cases of fathers making child support payments who rarely if ever see their children and don't get to participate in any of the child raising decisions.

We still hold fast to the idea that the mothers should raise the children, and the fathers should provide financial support.

Because this is the 1950s.


What we? What I'm suggesting means if he's on the birth certificate (and liable for support) he also gets an equal share of the parental rights, too. If he gets no parental rights, he is absolved of any child support responsibility (but that would require him not being present a the birth, the mother making a claim of "unknown father", etc). Basically, state mandated paternity tests for every child.
 
2013-12-07 10:49:57 PM

ph0rk: Oh, and the father then has equal parental rights (and responsibilities), in case the intent of my post wasn't clear.

Still doesn't fix the inequities of the mother carrying the child to term, but this is the farking 21st century. Questions of paternity (and the resulting lack of parental interest from many dads) needs to go. We have a cheap fix.


Not a cheap fix. In about 20% of cases the biological father isn't the guy in the LTR. When I took a course that included discussions on genetic counseling (Into to Applied Anthropology) this was explicitly put forward as a reason to not do wholesale genetic testing. In stable LTRs it would do far more harm than good to have to disclose this result. Most people screw around from time to time and as a result 20% of us have different sperm donors than we believe. And that knowledge will often destroy an otherwise functional family.

So routine genetic testing including paternity testing is not considered a good thing. It is on fact considered a very bad policy for societal stability.

If we were a lot more open to normal human sexuality in this country then it wouldn't be so much of a problem.
 
2013-12-07 10:50:04 PM

BizarreMan: But if she had wanted to keep the baby and prevent him from spending any time with the child he would have been on the hook for child support.


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