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(White House)   White House unveils its 2nd Open Government Plan. There apparently was a 1st Open Government Plan but they never told the public about it   (whitehouse.gov) divider line 70
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2013-12-07 08:40:26 PM
This trolly headline is awesome
 
2013-12-07 09:41:27 PM
Open Government? So it'll also have a cult-like following triumphing how it's better than the other, paid version of Government while running none of the programs which everyone uses on a day to day basis?
 
2013-12-07 09:54:45 PM
Obviously, the first plan was to make a second plan they would tell people about.

DUH!
 
2013-12-07 09:57:21 PM
That's great. Now we can have open and honest disc- pppffftHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-12-07 09:59:44 PM
I can't wait to hear how this doesn't matter from a bunch of cynical dicks on the internet on a Saturday Night.
 
2013-12-07 10:00:06 PM
It's nice that they want the people to have more access to the things that they want the people to have access to.

Snowden is still a traitor, right?
 
2013-12-07 10:00:25 PM
This second National Action Plan is another opportunity to set concrete and measurable goals for achieving a more transparent, participatory, and collaborative government.

[okaywiththis]

It's a laudable goal.
 
2013-12-07 10:00:43 PM
The GOP response: OBAMA WANTS TO GIVE GOVERNMENT SECRETS TO OUR ENEMIES! CLASSIFY ALL THE THINGS!!!!!
 
2013-12-07 10:00:59 PM

LasersHurt: I can't wait to hear how this doesn't matter from a bunch of cynical dicks on the internet on a Saturday Night.


Isn't that the point of fark.com?
 
2013-12-07 10:01:01 PM

LasersHurt: I can't wait to hear how this doesn't matter from a bunch of cynical dicks on the internet on a Saturday Night.


Well, until someone dissects it for my level (aka retarded) I shall reserve my judgement.
 
2013-12-07 10:01:19 PM
"Since his first full day in office, President Obama has prioritized making government more open and accountable . . "

o O
  ^
 
2013-12-07 10:02:27 PM
HOTY Nomination!
 
2013-12-07 10:02:43 PM

cman: LasersHurt: I can't wait to hear how this doesn't matter from a bunch of cynical dicks on the internet on a Saturday Night.

Well, until someone dissects it for my level (aka retarded) I shall reserve my judgement.


There will be retardation, but don't hold your breath on the dissection.
 
2013-12-07 10:05:02 PM
No, you've all misread it. "Second U.S. Open Government National Action Plan."

It's about a golf tournament
 
2013-12-07 10:06:44 PM

cman: This trolly headline is awesome


welcome to fark?
 
2013-12-07 10:08:53 PM
The 3rd Open Government Plan is significantly better.

But I've said too much.
 
2013-12-07 10:09:44 PM

Snarfangel: The 3rd Open Government Plan is significantly better.

But I've said too much.


Bah. Big deal. It'll be a four gigabyte download that'll take forever no matter how good your connection is, and it'll require too much configuration by the end user to be useful to anyone without a CompSci degree.
 
2013-12-07 10:10:58 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: "Since his first full day in office, President Obama has prioritized making government more open and accountable . . "

o O
  ^


cdn.breitbart.com
 
2013-12-07 10:12:36 PM

sendtodave: LasersHurt: I can't wait to hear how this doesn't matter from a bunch of cynical dicks on the internet on a Saturday Night.

Isn't that the point of fark.com?


Pretty much. I'm not surprised it will happen.

Zeb Hesselgresser: "Since his first full day in office, President Obama has prioritized making government more open and accountable . . "

o O
  ^


Just because you're not aware of the increased openness does not mean it does not exist. Unless you're running the "there are still things - at all - that are not open, therefore..." gambit.
 
2013-12-07 10:19:42 PM
But the government has always been open. Now go about your daily doings and please don't worry.
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All hail Bush the jr. for all eternal.
 
2013-12-07 10:23:16 PM
I scrlled too the bottom and laughed histerically at this pic.

www.whitehouse.gov

/hammered
 
2013-12-07 10:24:42 PM

LasersHurt: sendtodave: LasersHurt: I can't wait to hear how this doesn't matter from a bunch of cynical dicks on the internet on a Saturday Night.

Isn't that the point of fark.com?

Pretty much. I'm not surprised it will happen.

Zeb Hesselgresser: "Since his first full day in office, President Obama has prioritized making government more open and accountable . . "

o O
  ^

Just because you're not aware of the increased openness does not mean it does not exist. Unless you're running the "there are still things - at all - that are not open, therefore..." gambit.


OPEN ALL THE THINGS!
 
2013-12-07 10:43:48 PM
A year from now Obama will deny he knew anything about this plan.
 
2013-12-07 10:51:22 PM
Things that still need to be open and accessible to all:

Meal plans. Obama needs to tell everyone what he is going to eat. He should take a picture of each breakfast, lunch, and dinner he eats and post it on Instagram. e.g.  "Arugula... again. I know. I just like it too much."

Additional tweets. The American people are the employers of the Obama administration, and like any mediocre mid-level manager prone to micromanagement and alcoholism, the American people demand updates on what Obama is doing every 10 minutes. Fortunately Twitter has offered the perfect mechanism for Obama to do just that. e.g. "Trying to sleep... again. See you in 10 minutes."

PMSometer. The American people tend to forget that Obama's immediate family consists entirely of three women. A calendar needs to be drawn up that shows the predicted periods of Michelle, Sasha, and Malia Obama for American people, especially the media, to carefully analyze, discuss around round tables, and draw connections between it and Obama's behavior. e.g. "All three girls are going to be on the rag soon - will Pyongyang be wiped off the map?"

CIA operations. Obama immediately needs to make available a calendar which details all planned CIA assassinations until 2016. It should also say whether the target will die by sniper fire, drone strike, magnetic bomb on car, "suspicious accident", or other. It should also indicate partnerships on each mission, e.g. "CIA chillin' with Mossad this Saturday while we drop a titanium dildo on Robert Mugabe's head."
 
2013-12-07 10:55:13 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: PMSometer. The American people tend to forget that Obama's immediate family consists entirely of three women. A calendar needs to be drawn up that shows the predicted periods of Michelle, Sasha, and Malia Obama for American people, especially the media, to carefully analyze, discuss around round tables, and draw connections between it and Obama's behavior. e.g. "All three girls are going to be on the rag soon - will Pyongyang be wiped off the map?"


I would watch that for shiats and giggles.

Seriously, why didn't someone made this already?
 
2013-12-07 10:57:11 PM
As someone who has actually worked on an agency's open gov initiatives, I'm getting a kick.

Biggest problem with round one was asking for all mi ds of raw data sets that mean squat to 99.9% of the public while agency websites remain disorganized with little to no metadata or controlled vocab.
 
2013-12-07 11:08:15 PM
At this point, who are they really fooling?
 
2013-12-07 11:12:02 PM

DrPainMD: At this point, who are they really fooling?


A lot of people; the posted it on a Saturday at 9:30.
 
2013-12-07 11:16:53 PM
"Since his first full day in office, President Obama has prioritized making government more open and accountable"

lol
 
2013-12-07 11:17:04 PM
Or the "liberal media" never reported on it.
 
2013-12-07 11:28:45 PM

fusillade762: The GOP response: OBAMA WANTS TO GIVE GOVERNMENT SECRETS TO OUR ENEMIES! CLASSIFY ALL THE THINGS!!!!!


Obama already classified all the things.  Even Bush II would be impressed.
 
2013-12-07 11:30:52 PM
given recent accurate criticism of obama's integrity the bullet point at FOIA was a real knee slapper.

and no this time "but but bush" isn't a valid answer.
 
2013-12-07 11:31:34 PM

sendtodave: It's nice that they want the people to have more access to the things that they want the people to have access to.

Snowden is still a traitor, right?


No, Snowden just red "the Plan" and decided to help Obama.
 
2013-12-07 11:35:31 PM
stateofthenation2012.com
 
2013-12-07 11:40:43 PM

ole prophet: DrPainMD: At this point, who are they really fooling?

A lot of people; the posted it on a Saturday at 9:30.


The weekend data dump is how an "open government" hides things in plain sight.
 
2013-12-07 11:53:31 PM
 
2013-12-07 11:57:09 PM

LasersHurt: I can't wait to hear how this doesn't matter from a bunch of cynical dicks on the internet on a Saturday Night.


When you arbitrarily distrust a claim from a source that's always been reliable in the past, that's cynicism.

When you distrust a claim with a source of ambiguous or unknown reliability, that's skepticism.

When you distrust a claim from a source with a long history of previous similar claims that were all the purest bullshiat, that's just basic empiricism.

The Obama administration talking about making government open and transparent falls firmly in the third category.  This is very much "believe it only when you see it, then still have some doubts" territory.

//It's not the most secretive administration ever or anything, but it has come down very, very firmly on the side of "we control all information, you're legally not allowed to do anything about it".  The JD at the direction of the executive has a pile of briefs the size of a small mountain saying that over and over, very explicitly, and almost in so many words.
 
2013-12-08 12:53:33 AM
We apologize for the fault in the open government plan.  Those responsible have been sacked.
 
2013-12-08 12:56:15 AM
Not to sound like yet another republican troll, Obama has no credibility here.

He has embraced the nsa surveillance state that George W. started.

You can't say you support open information but quietly allow the nsa to continue to collect as much "metadata" as it wants to.
 
2013-12-08 01:06:09 AM
What would work even better and faster than an open government plan is if  President Obama would order that the NSA disclose any and all surveillance of American citizens without warrant or probable cause. Since Obama is Commander in Chief, Keith B. Alexander would be required to follow that order immediately.
 
2013-12-08 01:31:13 AM
Great. More blank text explaining in intricate detail how they want to help the public whenever someone wants to know something.

Why not tell us why you completely ignored the top 8 (of 10?) requests pertaining to 'marijuana,' hemp, or cannabis law reform from wethepeople.gov v2008?
 
2013-12-08 01:45:02 AM

Brick-House: [stateofthenation2012.com image 640x519]


Well... name one administration that was MORE open.
 
2013-12-08 02:36:38 AM

fusillade762: The GOP response: OBAMA WANTS TO GIVE GOVERNMENT SECRETS TO OUR ENEMIES! CLASSIFY ALL THE THINGS!!!!!


0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-12-08 02:38:21 AM
OBAMA OPENS TO AMERICA ABOUT HIS GOVERNMENT PLAN

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2013-12-08 02:41:18 AM
Yeah Fark's got it for me now.

/hey just trying to be heard
 
2013-12-08 03:17:15 AM
This thread is like the wall of a stall in a boy's bathroom in a middle school.
And he who reads these words of wit.............
 
2013-12-08 07:40:49 AM
About the only person Obama can fool anymore is Chris Matthews.
 
2013-12-08 08:48:22 AM
FOIA modernization, GIFT participation, and Open Data are good ideas. More often than not, transparency is good. But We The People is pointless feel-good fluff, and Participatory Budgeting sounds nice, but will end up either slowing down the process or being abused by ideologues and extremists.
 
2013-12-08 09:45:33 AM

LasersHurt: I can't wait to hear how this doesn't matter from a bunch of cynical dicks on the internet on a Saturday Night.


It matters, but how much it matters will depend on how open government actually becomes.  Actions speak louder than press releases.  Lets see if our intelligence agencies stop classifying everything in existence, including things that are widely available public knowledge, so they don't have to respond to FOIA requests about their breaking the law, for example.
 
2013-12-08 10:39:49 AM

netcentric: A year from now Obama will deny he knew anything about this plan.


imageshack.us
 
2013-12-08 11:56:07 AM

Frank N Stein: "Since his first full day in office, President Obama has prioritized making government more open and accountable"

lol


There was a report on On The Media this morning about one of their staffer's families getting held up at the Canadian border for hours by DHS with no explanation given. The staffer and OTM haven't been able to get an explanation from the government, so they're asking their listeners to contact their Representatives about it.
 
2013-12-08 12:37:24 PM
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U mad?
 
2013-12-08 01:00:42 PM
Oh that's just great. Obummer Hussein loves golf so G-D D--- much that now he wants Joe Taxpayer to pay for it in some event called the "Government Open"? To H E double-hockeysticks with that, you Marxist fascist Kenyan zebra.
 
2013-12-08 01:52:48 PM
I'm hearing lots of criticism of the administration here, but none of it is at all coherent.
 
2013-12-08 02:57:11 PM

Ontos: netcentric: A year from now Obama will deny he knew anything about this plan.

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Hey, remember when Reagan said he had no idea what his office was doing in the Iran-Contra Affair? Good times.
 
2013-12-08 03:01:37 PM
cdn.scragged.com
 
2013-12-08 03:19:29 PM

coyo: I'm hearing lots of criticism of the administration here, but none of it is at all coherent.


Is the criticism of the president ever coherent here? It's a sign that things are okay, when the anti-Obama stuff is whargarbll and nothing but.
 
2013-12-08 03:58:21 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: OBAMA OPENS TO AMERICA ABOUT HIS GOVERNMENT PLAN

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Survey says:

www.mobygames.com
 
2013-12-08 04:10:50 PM
Ha. . okay, so I was about to respond, "Yeah, I'd totally believe Obama, except for all the reports about what the NSA is doing, and Snowden, and . . . "

And then I realized that's all public now. . so. . . I dunno. Maybe Bush didn't engage in surveillance, or what he did he did a good job keeping under the radar, and Obama does it more, but is bad at it and gets caught all the time. . .

I kinda like the idea of someone incompetent at keeping a secret when he's saying his goal is transparency. That's all kinds of snickering goodness.
 
2013-12-08 04:34:46 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: OBAMA OPENS TO AMERICA ABOUT HIS GOVERNMENT PLAN

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Survey says:

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Wow, I posted that 12 hours ago and you're just now getting around to trolling it.  Why don't you stop by...

latewire.com
 
2013-12-08 07:16:56 PM

DeltaPunch: Brick-House: [stateofthenation2012.com image 640x519]

Well... name one administration that was MORE open.


George Washington (1789-1797)
John Adams (1797-1801)
Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809)
James Madison (1809-1817)
James Monroe (1817-1825)
John Quincy Adams (1825-1829)
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837)
Martin Van Buren (1837-1841)
William H. Harrison (1841)
John Tyler (1841-1845)
James K. Polk (1841-1849)
Zachary Taylor (1849-1850)
Millard Fillmore (1850-1853)
Franklin Pierce (1853-1857)
James Buchanan (1857-1861)
Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865)
Andrew Johnson (1865-1869)
Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877)
Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-1881)
James A. Garfield (1881)
Chester A. Arthur (1881-1885)
Grover Cleveland (1885-1889)
Benjamin Harrison (1889-1893)
Grover Cleveland (1893-1897)
William McKinley (1897-1901)
Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909)
William H. Taft (1909-1913)
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921)
Warren G. Harding (1921-1923)
Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929)
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
Harry S. Truman (1945-1953)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961)
John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)
Richard M. Nixon (1969-1974)
Gerald R. Ford (1974-1977)
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
George H. W. Bush (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
George W. Bush (2001-2009)
 
2013-12-08 08:32:09 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: OBAMA OPENS TO AMERICA ABOUT HIS GOVERNMENT PLAN

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Survey says:

[www.mobygames.com image 160x112]

Wow, I posted that 12 hours ago and you're just now getting around to trolling it.  Why don't you stop by...

[latewire.com image 464x392]


...because everyone's supposed to hang on your every word 24/7.  "Butthurt" indeed.
 
2013-12-08 08:38:18 PM
I was actually saying who the fark cares what I said 12 hours ago, but apparently you do.

Very much indeed.
 
2013-12-08 08:59:04 PM

Brick-House: DeltaPunch: Brick-House: [stateofthenation2012.com image 640x519]

Well... name one administration that was MORE open.

George Washington (1789-1797)
John Adams (1797-1801)
Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809)
James Madison (1809-1817)
James Monroe (1817-1825)
John Quincy Adams (1825-1829)
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837)
Martin Van Buren (1837-1841)
William H. Harrison (1841)
John Tyler (1841-1845)
James K. Polk (1841-1849)
Zachary Taylor (1849-1850)
Millard Fillmore (1850-1853)
Franklin Pierce (1853-1857)
James Buchanan (1857-1861)
Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865)
Andrew Johnson (1865-1869)
Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877)
Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-1881)
James A. Garfield (1881)
Chester A. Arthur (1881-1885)
Grover Cleveland (1885-1889)
Benjamin Harrison (1889-1893)
Grover Cleveland (1893-1897)
William McKinley (1897-1901)
Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909)
William H. Taft (1909-1913)
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921)
Warren G. Harding (1921-1923)
Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929)
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
Harry S. Truman (1945-1953)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961)
John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)
Richard M. Nixon (1969-1974)
Gerald R. Ford (1974-1977)
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
George H. W. Bush (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
George W. Bush (2001-2009)


*golf claps*
 
2013-12-09 12:03:54 AM

super_grass: Brick-House: DeltaPunch: Brick-House: [stateofthenation2012.com image 640x519]

Well... name one administration that was MORE open.

George Washington (1789-1797)
John Adams (1797-1801)
Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809)
James Madison (1809-1817)
James Monroe (1817-1825)
John Quincy Adams (1825-1829)
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837)
Martin Van Buren (1837-1841)
William H. Harrison (1841)
John Tyler (1841-1845)
James K. Polk (1841-1849)
Zachary Taylor (1849-1850)
Millard Fillmore (1850-1853)
Franklin Pierce (1853-1857)
James Buchanan (1857-1861)
Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865)
Andrew Johnson (1865-1869)
Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877)
Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-1881)
James A. Garfield (1881)
Chester A. Arthur (1881-1885)
Grover Cleveland (1885-1889)
Benjamin Harrison (1889-1893)
Grover Cleveland (1893-1897)
William McKinley (1897-1901)
Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909)
William H. Taft (1909-1913)
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921)
Warren G. Harding (1921-1923)
Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929)
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
Harry S. Truman (1945-1953)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961)
John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)
Richard M. Nixon (1969-1974)
Gerald R. Ford (1974-1977)
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
George H. W. Bush (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
George W. Bush (2001-2009)

*golf claps*


Reagan.  There wasn't much of an internet to spy on, and drones hadn't even been invented yet, let alone considered for Domestic use.
 
2013-12-09 12:29:32 AM
So is he going to throw Holder under the bus for Fast and Furious? Or is he going to keep covering up for his homey?
 
2013-12-09 12:39:23 AM

ex-nuke: So is he going to throw Holder under the bus for Fast and Furious? Or is he going to keep covering up for his homey?


Not even that. Did Clapper ever get his ass tossed into a jail cell for lying to congress?
 
2013-12-09 02:39:18 AM
And now, it's time for Sock Puppet Theater!
 
2013-12-09 09:08:04 AM

Lsherm: fusillade762: The GOP response: OBAMA WANTS TO GIVE GOVERNMENT SECRETS TO OUR ENEMIES! CLASSIFY ALL THE THINGS!!!!!

Obama already classified all the things.  Even Bush II would be impressed.


B...b...but Bush!

You libtards make me sick.
 
2013-12-09 09:24:14 AM

Peki: Ha. . okay, so I was about to respond, "Yeah, I'd totally believe Obama, except for all the reports about what the NSA is doing, and Snowden, and . . . "

And then I realized that's all public now. . so. . . I dunno. Maybe Bush didn't engage in surveillance, or what he did he did a good job keeping under the radar, and Obama does it more, but is bad at it and gets caught all the time. . .

I kinda like the idea of someone incompetent at keeping a secret when he's saying his goal is transparency. That's all kinds of snickering goodness.


Yeah, except Obama didn't reveal that stuff, Snowden did. And then got in deep shiat over it.

Obama is no more transparent than Bush. He shouldn't have said he was going to be, either. Anyone with a brain knows there is a ton of shiat they aren't going to reveal to the public
 
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