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(Guardian)   Xbox One game "Ryse: Son of Rome" knocked for breast physics   (theguardian.com) divider line 89
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2013-12-07 04:08:59 PM
"You create a skeleton out of around 15 joints and then add a couple extra that sit in front of the chest area - these would then have motion applied by the spline joints and driven by dynamic code. Most of the issues tend to come from not properly tightening up all the inputs you have under those physics-based objects."

Submitter should tell his mom that floppiness and sag appear to be a result of sloppy coding.
 
2013-12-07 04:28:05 PM
ALL THE THINGS WRONG WITH THIS GAME AND THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT BREASTS

ROFL
 
2013-12-07 06:30:05 PM
"She's obsessed. She's obsessed with breasts. That's hard to say."

static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-12-07 06:49:06 PM
"which later spawned the horrendous DOA: Beach Volleyball titles"

I can't be the only one who read that as beach volleyball titties.
 
2013-12-07 07:07:09 PM
I was led to believe that they behave much like bags of sand.
 
2013-12-07 07:27:30 PM
Complain about physics. Post still photo in article
 
2013-12-07 08:42:47 PM

serial_crusher: Complain about physics. Post still photo in article


Here's a link with a clip, and the relevant part has been GIF-iffied in the comments:

http://kotaku.com/thats-not-how-breasts-work-ryse-1474988961
 
2013-12-07 08:46:51 PM
While we're on the subject, why aren't there any friggin porn titles for console games? I feel like porn got driven underground. You can't even find a semi-terrible action movie with titties anymore. It's not like there aren't console gamers well into their 20s, 30s, and 40s.
 
2013-12-07 08:59:17 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

Woop! Woop!
 
2013-12-07 08:59:57 PM

bdub77: While we're on the subject, why aren't there any friggin porn titles for console games? I feel like porn got driven underground. You can't even find a semi-terrible action movie with titties anymore. It's not like there aren't console gamers well into their 20s, 30s, and 40s.


You gotta import those from Japan.
 
2013-12-07 09:29:53 PM
Well, you gotta give WoW credit on this one, guys: At least the female armor there isn't a plate mail bikini.
 
2013-12-07 10:02:11 PM
More like the Ryse of my pants, am I right?
 
rpm
2013-12-07 10:05:18 PM

Ghastly: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]

Woop! Woop!


That's nothing compared to Stretch Panic on the PS2.
 
2013-12-07 10:05:46 PM

Sgt Otter: serial_crusher: Complain about physics. Post still photo in article

Here's a link with a clip, and the relevant part has been GIF-iffied in the comments:

http://kotaku.com/thats-not-how-breasts-work-ryse-1474988961



Defintely a bad case of the tupperware titties
 
2013-12-07 10:06:38 PM

Sgt Otter: serial_crusher: Complain about physics. Post still photo in article

Here's a link with a clip, and the relevant part has been GIF-iffied in the comments:

http://kotaku.com/thats-not-how-breasts-work-ryse-1474988961


That's not the only relevant parts in the comments
 
2013-12-07 10:08:16 PM
Citras tits in Far Cry 3 were pretty nice
 
2013-12-07 10:09:06 PM

Ghastly: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]

Woop! Woop!


Hey, the breast physics are the least concern in the 'hands move 360 degrees like a 'chopper' gif.
 
2013-12-07 10:13:49 PM

hardinparamedic: Well, you gotta give WoW credit on this one, guys: At least the female armor there isn't a plate mail bikini.


Black mageweave set.
 
2013-12-07 10:14:51 PM

kroonermanblack: Ghastly: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]

Woop! Woop!

Hey, the breast physics are the least concern in the 'hands move 360 degrees like a 'chopper' gif.


I was copying this when I made it.
 
2013-12-07 10:15:39 PM

Mad_Radhu: I was led to believe that they behave much like bags of sand.


Only if you're really dehyrdrated.
 
2013-12-07 10:23:17 PM

Sgt Otter: serial_crusher: Complain about physics. Post still photo in article

Here's a link with a clip, and the relevant part has been GIF-iffied in the comments:

http://kotaku.com/thats-not-how-breasts-work-ryse-1474988961


Damn it kotaku It's not "next generation" if you can buy the console at wal mart.
 
2013-12-07 10:25:27 PM
Nipples.
 
2013-12-07 10:25:57 PM
Who are the people knocking this game? I WANT THOSE KNOCKERS EXPOSED!
 
2013-12-07 10:41:07 PM

hardinparamedic: Well, you gotta give WoW credit on this one, guys: At least the female armor there isn't a plate mail bikini.


gomakemeasandwich.files.wordpress.com

Say again?
 
2013-12-07 10:41:39 PM

EvilEgg: "which later spawned the horrendous DOA: Beach Volleyball titles"

I can't be the only one who read that as beach volleyball titties.


Eh, that's basically what it is.
 
2013-12-07 10:46:10 PM
City of Heroes' best improvement was when they added the boob slider to character creation.

i58.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-07 11:05:54 PM
I wish I could post the Tomb Raider mod from years ago that made Lara Croft naked.
 
2013-12-07 11:09:09 PM
It's not so much that they move too much, it's that they move all wrong.
 
2013-12-07 11:10:49 PM
Well, it's one of the two parts of human anatomy that can't really be represented with simple static physics involving a set of points with fixed relationships, so the math is significantly harder on the render.  Graphics designers aren't known for their deep mastery of fluid dynamics and calculation-cost measurements with differential equation solution functions, so I'm not gonna hold my breath on them getting it realistically any time soon.

// The other part being testicles, which aren't usually an issue because of how censorship works these days.
 
2013-12-07 11:11:09 PM
Buddy of mine has Ryse, watched him play for a bit.  What I saw confirmed my suspicion that it is a moderately enjoyable game if bought for ten bucks or so a year or more after it's been out.
 
2013-12-07 11:26:42 PM
images.t-nation.com

I want to make this my lock screen, but you can't do that on an iPhone.
 
2013-12-07 11:27:45 PM
by the way, if you haven't had the "uncanny valley" explained, it's about how when characters are in motion, really simplified representations of a figure get warm, sympathetic feelings from your audience, but the more realistic the character is, the harder it is to keep the audience from feeling repulsed, horrified, or disgusted.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-12-07 11:28:52 PM
Time to put the controller down, guys.
 
2013-12-07 11:29:17 PM

hardinparamedic: Well, you gotta give WoW credit on this one, guys: At least the female armor there isn't a plate mail bikini.


10/10

A big troll, but not so big that you'll break your thumbs trying to grasp it.
 
2013-12-07 11:34:38 PM

Jim_Callahan: Well, it's one of the two parts of human anatomy that can't really be represented with simple static physics involving a set of points with fixed relationships, so the math is significantly harder on the render.  Graphics designers aren't known for their deep mastery of fluid dynamics and calculation-cost measurements with differential equation solution functions, so I'm not gonna hold my breath on them getting it realistically any time soon.

// The other part being testicles, which aren't usually an issue because of how censorship works these days.


This.

Some of it is also motion capture.  They still can't get us to buy that they're real people when they talk and such.  It's animation, no different than pixar exaggerating character faces to show emotionX.  It always comes out cartoony or wooden.  I'd rather some unrealistic jiggle than none whatsoever.

People complain about boobs as if they're puritans or something, but we only notice the bad jiggling because we've seen enough jiggling boobs to know how they should jiggle.  Hypocritical in a way.
 
2013-12-07 11:37:45 PM

StopLurkListen: by the way, if you haven't had the "uncanny valley" explained, it's about how when characters are in motion, really simplified representations of a figure get warm, sympathetic feelings from your audience, but the more realistic the character is, the harder it is to keep the audience from feeling repulsed, horrified, or disgusted.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x663]


To me, it's not always a visceral reaction, sometimes I'm just creeped out because I know the artist has got to be whacked out if that's how he sees the world.

/Vsauce on youtube recently did a show on "creepy"
//thumbnail is a teddy bear with dentures if you're interested, kindof a fun watch
 
2013-12-07 11:44:40 PM
"In Japanese animation, they have a concept of 'fan service'

Dude, it's not just an anime thing anymore.
 
2013-12-07 11:54:22 PM

Mad_Radhu: I was led to believe that they behave much like bags of sand.


Came for this, leaving satisfied
 
2013-12-08 12:13:20 AM
nothing tops the wacked out physics of the sixaxis boobs in mgs4...
 
2013-12-08 01:06:53 AM

Jim_Callahan: Well, it's one of the two parts of human anatomy that can't really be represented with simple static physics involving a set of points with fixed relationships, so the math is significantly harder on the render.  Graphics designers aren't known for their deep mastery of fluid dynamics and calculation-cost measurements with differential equation solution functions, so I'm not gonna hold my breath on them getting it realistically any time soon.

// The other part being testicles, which aren't usually an issue because of how censorship works these days.


The other day I went into the butcher's shop. "Do you have sheep's testicles?" I asked. "No," he replied. "The programmer simply couldn't be arsed to get the physics right when rendering my balls."
 
2013-12-08 01:25:48 AM

Lachwen: hardinparamedic: Well, you gotta give WoW credit on this one, guys: At least the female armor there isn't a plate mail bikini.

[gomakemeasandwich.files.wordpress.com image 791x320]

Say again?


I think they generally moved away from that over time. When I played, starting after Wrath of the Lich King came out I can't remember ever coming across any female armor that looked like that, though maybe I wasn't paying enough attention in town and I never did get very far on that blood elf alt...

bdub77: While we're on the subject, why aren't there any friggin porn titles for console games? I feel like porn got driven underground. You can't even find a semi-terrible action movie with titties anymore. It's not like there aren't console gamers well into their 20s, 30s, and 40s.


You can't even get away with relatively tasteful nudity, let alone sex, in video games without a wailing and gnashing of teeth, and you're seriously asking this question? Take the first Mass Effect for example. There was maybe 2 seconds of ass and sideboob, in the dark, and people flipped their shiat to the point where, comically, in their next game, Dragon Age: Origins, though the actual sex shown was more explicit(which actually just makes it more awkward because it's like watching two mannequins making out and groping each other where as the ME1 scenes gets around all that by cutting away quickly after getting the point across...)...everyone kept their undies on, because nudity is bad. None of the console manufacturers will allow games that would net an AO rating on their machines, and none of the retail outlets would likely stock them even if they did. Really though, the whole 'mannequins groping each other' issue seems like it'd be overly difficult to get around to make explicit porn games worth engaging in when you can real people doing basically anything you want thanks to the internet.

As for Ryse, it's not getting attention because 'ooo, boobs', but 'oh god what's wrong with those boobs?' because of how exaggerated and obviously wrong looking the motion is.

/That DA scene though, I forgot...right in the middle of camp? Really? Not even going to go in the tent, just going to go at it in front of the rest of the party?
//what a shocker that the top search results for both games were the lesbian scenes, totally didn't see that coming
 
2013-12-08 01:57:45 AM

HalEmmerich: I think they generally moved away from that over time. When I played, starting after Wrath of the Lich King came out I can't remember ever coming across any female armor that looked like that, though maybe I wasn't paying enough attention in town and I never did get very far on that blood elf alt...



They did it the most in Burning Crusade.  A lot of the Outlands gear just straight-up looked like stripper outfits on the female characters.
 
2013-12-08 02:15:17 AM
This game's gonna go tits up soon.
 
2013-12-08 02:42:56 AM

fusillade762: "In Japanese animation, they have a concept of 'fan service'

Dude, it's not just an anime thing anymore.


It never was to begin with.
 
2013-12-08 03:45:50 AM
FTA:  "At one place I worked, the breast physics went totally out of control. We put the game on a 'soak test' - where we'd leave it running overnight to see if it remained stable. When we came back in the morning the breasts were literally as big as the entire world."

He says it like it's a bad thing.
 
2013-12-08 03:57:23 AM

Ed Grubermann: It's not so much that they move too much, it's that they move all wrong.


It was as if the breasts were rubber sacks with weights in them. If she's standing still, the rubber is tight. If she moves, they loosen enough for the weights to drop then bounce back up.
 
2013-12-08 04:03:18 AM
I have two thoughts on this. One, you would think after the many years and attempts, they'd have the physics down by now. Two, since they so clearly don't, just leave them static with the rest of the torso. Few people care about boob jiggling if it isn't there, and everyone is going to care about boob jiggling if it is there and done like shiat.
 
2013-12-08 05:52:20 AM
Female dwarves in wow. They flop around like water balloons even in plate armor.
 
2013-12-08 05:58:41 AM
What is the game about?

Holy shiat, a whole article about the breast physics in a game and not a single mention about what kind of game it is. I'm guessing an Assassin's Creed style adventure-RPG, set in Imperial Rome?
 
2013-12-08 06:31:29 AM

picturescrazy: I have two thoughts on this. One, you would think after the many years and attempts, they'd have the physics down by now.


1: Male programmers: who have never spent time looking at how real boobs actually move. Only porno models with implants. Normal boobs hang differently based on position of the torso. They aren't muscle, they are blobs of fat and they move as such.

2: Engine constraints: the torso is relatively stiff, Boobs are somewhat jiggly, and fabric is supposed to drape, ripple, and fold with movement. Ideally the fabric would be actually placed upon the model, and use something like physX to make it move appropriately. Breast motion could also be simulated via Physx. This however, is computationally expensive, and perhaps they wanted to save all that rendering power for oh, I don't know, rendering the rest of the entire scene, not virtual tits. Games haven't really gotten the whole drapey fabric thing done right yet anyway, due to the way models interact in game (Ex: The whole wonky tressFX thing for Lara crofts hair in the latest tomb raider. sometimes it just looks wrong.) I suspect that her entire body, boobs, clothing and all, were rendered as a single model, That means that when the boobs move, the fabric stretches instead of slides across her skin.

3: Time constraints: "JENKINS! it's crunchtime! You've spent the past 2 months designing this scene, what do you have to show for it?"

"Well, I just finished getting the breasts to wiggle jussst right and the fabric drapes and flutters over them perfectly!"

"Thats it? What about the room? The lighting? The textures on everything else? the bumpmaps, the normal maps, the collision meshes? What about lipsync."

"Haven't started any of that sir."

"Jenkins, you're fired."

Breast physics is probably the lowest priority of things to fix in a game that is being rushed to launch with a new platform, so day one they put in terrible breast physics as a place holder, and never had time to finish up and correct them, as they were to busy with making literally everything else of actual consequence in the world.
 
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