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(Independent Journal Review)   Let's ask some college students and see how many of them have actually signed up for Obamacare. Bonus quote of the day: "I thought Obamacare was supposed to be, like, free"   (ijreview.com ) divider line
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2195 clicks; posted to Politics » on 07 Dec 2013 at 4:44 PM (2 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-12-07 05:19:38 PM  
2 votes:

Rincewind53: It's basic probability mathematics.


You're talking to a guy that spells 3000 with the letter O, and you expect him to understand math?
2013-12-07 05:05:08 PM  
2 votes:

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Or, you know, until they:
 get hit by a car
 break a leg slipping on ice
 get hit by a bus
 get hit by falling airplane parts
 get hit by an elephant that escaped from the zoo
 get hit by a helicopter falling on a pub where they're drinking (8 killed in Glasgow after that one)
 get shot in a drug deal gone wrong
 get shot in a drug deal gone wrong that they had nothing to do with but got caught in the crossfire
 get shot by the police
 get shot by a fellow student
 shoot themselves by accident,
 get pneumonia
 develop PCOS
 get cancer
 come down with strep throat
 get chlamydia
 get syphillis
 get AIDS
 get gonorrhea
 get pregnant
 accidentally lose a toy car up their ass
 accidentally lose a condom up their vag
 have a condom break and need Plan B
 have a condom break and need an abortion
 get West Nile Virus
 get MRSA
 get drug-resistant tuberculosis after travelling abroad in their junior year
 get kneed in the balls by an ex-girlfriend which leads to testicular torsion
 get beaten up by an ex-boyfriend
 get beaten up by a current boyfriend or girlfriend
 fall over while riding a bike
 get doored while riding a bike
 get hit by a car while riding a bike
 get into an accident while driving a car
 break an ankle while skydiving
 break a wrist while boxing
 break a femur while climbing rock walls
 sprain an ankle badly while training for a marathon
 pull a tendon while exercising
 or just have their body spontaneously decide to fail on them.

So, you know, I guess healthy young people never need health care at all!

Or maybe I read your post wrong and you meant that young people  should be funding this and the stupid was at them for  not getting insurance. In which case, well, it was really fun typing out a few dozen ways that you could get hurt as a healthy young person.
2013-12-07 04:56:46 PM  
2 votes:

bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.


And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"
m00
2013-12-08 01:56:02 AM  
1 vote:

evil saltine: People do die from lack of healthcare, and libertarians are fundamentally opposed to changing that, so yes Gyrfalcon is correct.


"People die from a lack of self-defense, and liberals are fundamentally opposed to self-defense, so therefore 'liberals' would like it better if people died"

See how that works?
2013-12-08 12:04:12 AM  
1 vote:

rewind2846: Think that last one over very carefully.


Just so we're clear here: My evidence in support of the fact that there has not been an increase in threats is unreliable, because reliable sources would not discuss this.  But your sources that say there has been an increase are reliable, because. . . why exactly?

Neither of us is going to get a quote from the current director of the Secret Service, but in general I think it's safe to say that the sources I've cited, and the sources those articles quote (reputable news organizations and former Soc. Sec. agents), are more reliable than yours (blogs and one guy who wrote a book on the secret service in 2009 and cites no data to support his claim).  You're also the one making the extraordinary claim and who has the burden of proof, which I'm pretty sure you just admitted you can't meet.

Your entire argument is "People hate Obama because they're racist, and you can tell because he has more threats than any president in modern history, but I can't actually prove that because so one would ever confirm that, but please believe me even though I just admitted that there's no evidence to support my claim."
2013-12-07 11:37:24 PM  
1 vote:

rewind2846: as for anything from the Secret Service itself, you can rest assured that any "official" increase in threats will be downplayed until this president leaves office, for security reasons and the national interest


I cite CBS News and Politifact, who debunk the 2009 story with actual reporting.  They note that all claims to that effect can be traced back to the 2009 claim by Ronald Kessler, who was trying to sell a book at the time.  At that his claim in contradicted by people within Secret Service (former employees, who would not be subject to any orders to disseminate misinformation, in case your given to conspiracy theories).

In return, you cite various blogs and tabloids that regurgitate Kessler's 2009 story and its "400%" claim without any support.  But according to you we shouldn't worry about the lack of support for that claim because the truth is being suppressed by the Secret Service.
2013-12-07 08:34:03 PM  
1 vote:

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.

Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?

Themselves or their family or they die.  Unless someone makes a system that is unfair.

I'm beginning to suspect that you are arguing in bad faith, or are a particularly nasty piece of work. Some have suggested that you are merely trying to get a rise out of people. Why anyone would do this is beyond my comprehension, but I understand that such creatures exist. Sad, really.


Why?  A fair system is you pay for yourself.  No other needs to support you, unless they choose to.  Family usually chooses to support people who do not support themselves.  Fools should pay for the bad choices they make.  Or do you believe that you should pay for my bad choices?  When the government forces me to pay for your stupidity how is that fair?  (it is stupid not to have heath insurance) If you are stupid you should pay for that stupidity.
2013-12-07 07:31:17 PM  
1 vote:

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?

Yes.  I choose to drive a car.  I do not have to choose to agree to the rules.  I did not choose to live.  It happened.  I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes.  Not a choice.  Stupid comparison is stupid and disingenuous.

TL; DR.... I'll take that as a 'yes.'

Did you choose to live(yes or no will be sufficient)?

BigSteve3OOO

I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes. .

You must not be young and healthy, then.
2013-12-07 06:24:36 PM  
1 vote:

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.


Go easy on Steve, hes an idiot.
2013-12-07 06:05:54 PM  
1 vote:
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2013-12-07 05:58:57 PM  
1 vote:

rewind2846: bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.

I have a question for those people like yourself who have issues with the ACA... what exactly is your opposition to it?

Is it the fact that this is a law that has all of us as citizens actually do something good for ourselves and our nation (i.e "forced"), like seat belt laws, laws against murder and rape, or the constitution itself?

or

Are you concerned that you'll have to actually pay what health care insurance really costs without the luxury of pushing the costs for your care onto other people who had the foresight to go and buy real insurance?

or

Do you not realize that a healthy country is a strong and prosperous country?

or

Do you just not give a rolling rat sh*t about anyone but yourself?

or

Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

The last one is the most interesting, in that I have known white people who have actually said this, people who had no trouble with the white presidents before nor their wives (Betty says "get your boobies checked" - yay, Nancy says "Just say NO to drugs" - yay, Rosalynn says "help the mentally ill" - yay, Barbra says "Learn something" - yay, Laura says "Just read books" - yay, Michelle says "Eat healthier and get off your ass" - WHO THE F*CK IS THIS biatch!?!?)


OK point by point lets give you the response you deserve:

Is it the fact that this is a law that has all of us as citizens actually do something good for ourselves and our nation (i.e "forced"), like seat belt laws, laws against murder and rape, or the constitution itself?

The government is not supposed to protect any citizen from themselves.  It is only supposed to protect a citizen from charlatans or foreign invaders.  Murder and Rape violate another citizen and should be prohibited.  Seat belts and health care are individual choices and have no business being in the governments domain.

Are you concerned that you'll have to actually pay what health care insurance really costs without the luxury of pushing the costs for your care onto other people who had the foresight to go and buy real insurance?

No I am concerned that any citizen is forced to but a product they do not want or need in order to subsidize others.

Do you not realize that a healthy country is a strong and prosperous country?

Yes I do.  Individuals have made this country great despite the government trying to homogenize wealth.

Do you just not give a rolling rat sh*t about anyone but yourself?

I love everyone with all my heart.  I just don't believe that big government helps I think it hurts.  I love you more than you will ever know or believe.

Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

Nope.  the skin color of Bush III is not my issue with him.
2013-12-07 05:46:11 PM  
1 vote:

Dog Welder: Hey, did anyone happen to mention that most college students are likely covered on their parents' insurance plans and wouldn't actually need to sign up for Obamacare?


What happens when the Employer Mandate causes many of their parents to lose that coverage?
2013-12-07 05:45:39 PM  
1 vote:

bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.


The law requires me to wear clothing when I leave the house. Utter tyranny. I blame 0bama.
2013-12-07 05:33:20 PM  
1 vote:
This site is just precious.
Other headlines on the sidebar:

Rabid, topless feminists attack group of praying men protecting cathedral from vandalism.

and

White House changes story: Obama DID live with illegal alien Kenyan uncle before going to Harvard.
2013-12-07 05:23:07 PM  
1 vote:

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


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2013-12-07 04:53:33 PM  
1 vote:

edmo: Of course it's free. Conservatives keep bleating that people voted for Obama for free health care. Fox keeps saying it's free and people started to believe it.


Well we all know how popular Fox News is with college liberals.
2013-12-07 04:25:08 PM  
1 vote:
Subby making fun of someone for not knowing what they're talking about while not knowing what he/she is talking about. And of course it's a PJ link. Go figure
2013-12-07 03:46:28 PM  
1 vote:
Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards
2013-12-07 03:44:06 PM  
1 vote:

sprgrss: Aren't college students by and large covered by their parents' insurance?


What he said. You're covered by your parents until age 25.
2013-12-07 03:34:42 PM  
1 vote:
Aren't college students by and large covered by their parents' insurance?

Good going, failmitter/pj media
 
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