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(Independent Journal Review)   Let's ask some college students and see how many of them have actually signed up for Obamacare. Bonus quote of the day: "I thought Obamacare was supposed to be, like, free"   (ijreview.com) divider line 179
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2013-12-07 05:35:40 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.


I have a question for those people like yourself who have issues with the ACA... what exactly is your opposition to it?

Is it the fact that this is a law that has all of us as citizens actually do something good for ourselves and our nation (i.e "forced"), like seat belt laws, laws against murder and rape, or the constitution itself?

or

Are you concerned that you'll have to actually pay what health care insurance really costs without the luxury of pushing the costs for your care onto other people who had the foresight to go and buy real insurance?

or

Do you not realize that a healthy country is a strong and prosperous country?

or

Do you just not give a rolling rat sh*t about anyone but yourself?

or

Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

The last one is the most interesting, in that I have known white people who have actually said this, people who had no trouble with the white presidents before nor their wives (Betty says "get your boobies checked" - yay, Nancy says "Just say NO to drugs" - yay, Rosalynn says "help the mentally ill" - yay, Barbra says "Learn something" - yay, Laura says "Just read books" - yay, Michelle says "Eat healthier and get off your ass" - WHO THE F*CK IS THIS biatch!?!?)
 
2013-12-07 05:36:33 PM  
Also, crymitter I was reliably informed that the youth of this country are acutely aware of Obamacare and how it is the worst thing since Hitler........

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/12/millennials-sour-on-bot h- obama-and-obamacare/

I didn't even need to go to Tard News to find this little turd so tell me which is it?

Seriously you guys need to quit sniffing glue prior to greenlighting links this site is seriously going to shiat.
 
2013-12-07 05:36:46 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Oh Look its Yosemite Ayn Rand

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2013-12-07 05:40:31 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Some of us work too.


... at an institution that won't kick you out for being part-time for nine plus years?

Actually, that's fair, maybe they're asking community college students.  I sometimes forget that's a thing since I went on the 4-year track.
 
2013-12-07 05:40:59 PM  
So, I just want to point out that something like half the posts, if not more, in this thread are all replying to an obvious troll.

That he can be an obvious troll, and get that many responses, leaves me no choice but to give him a 10/10.
 
2013-12-07 05:45:39 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.


The law requires me to wear clothing when I leave the house. Utter tyranny. I blame 0bama.
 
2013-12-07 05:46:11 PM  

Dog Welder: Hey, did anyone happen to mention that most college students are likely covered on their parents' insurance plans and wouldn't actually need to sign up for Obamacare?


What happens when the Employer Mandate causes many of their parents to lose that coverage?
 
2013-12-07 05:46:26 PM  

andersoncouncil42: This site is just precious.
Other headlines on the sidebar:

Rabid, topless feminists attack group of praying men protecting cathedral from vandalism.

and

White House changes story: Obama DID live with illegal alien Kenyan uncle before going to Harvard.


Topless feminists? I don't give a shiat about cathedrals but I might volunteer for vandalism protection duty.

In regards to the video, it seems intentionally racist, misleading and pointless.
 
2013-12-07 05:47:33 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Does Howard have a group plan for students?


Yup.

From the Howard University Student Insurance Plan brochure (PDF): "All students of Howard University who have been cleared through the Office of Admissions are automatically insured under Plan A of the student insurance program and the applicable premium is charged to their tuition bill."


 
2013-12-07 05:47:41 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Snatch Bandergrip: Some of us work too.

... at an institution that won't kick you out for being part-time for nine plus years?

Actually, that's fair, maybe they're asking community college students.  I sometimes forget that's a thing since I went on the 4-year track.


Why would they kick me out? Higher education is for profit in this country. Its taking me forever to finish because I go minimum full time to work two jobs on top of my classes. I guess that makes me dim.

Are you thinking of high school? If I was there for nine years, yes, they'd have to kick me out.
 
2013-12-07 05:58:57 PM  

rewind2846: bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.

I have a question for those people like yourself who have issues with the ACA... what exactly is your opposition to it?

Is it the fact that this is a law that has all of us as citizens actually do something good for ourselves and our nation (i.e "forced"), like seat belt laws, laws against murder and rape, or the constitution itself?

or

Are you concerned that you'll have to actually pay what health care insurance really costs without the luxury of pushing the costs for your care onto other people who had the foresight to go and buy real insurance?

or

Do you not realize that a healthy country is a strong and prosperous country?

or

Do you just not give a rolling rat sh*t about anyone but yourself?

or

Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

The last one is the most interesting, in that I have known white people who have actually said this, people who had no trouble with the white presidents before nor their wives (Betty says "get your boobies checked" - yay, Nancy says "Just say NO to drugs" - yay, Rosalynn says "help the mentally ill" - yay, Barbra says "Learn something" - yay, Laura says "Just read books" - yay, Michelle says "Eat healthier and get off your ass" - WHO THE F*CK IS THIS biatch!?!?)


OK point by point lets give you the response you deserve:

Is it the fact that this is a law that has all of us as citizens actually do something good for ourselves and our nation (i.e "forced"), like seat belt laws, laws against murder and rape, or the constitution itself?

The government is not supposed to protect any citizen from themselves.  It is only supposed to protect a citizen from charlatans or foreign invaders.  Murder and Rape violate another citizen and should be prohibited.  Seat belts and health care are individual choices and have no business being in the governments domain.

Are you concerned that you'll have to actually pay what health care insurance really costs without the luxury of pushing the costs for your care onto other people who had the foresight to go and buy real insurance?

No I am concerned that any citizen is forced to but a product they do not want or need in order to subsidize others.

Do you not realize that a healthy country is a strong and prosperous country?

Yes I do.  Individuals have made this country great despite the government trying to homogenize wealth.

Do you just not give a rolling rat sh*t about anyone but yourself?

I love everyone with all my heart.  I just don't believe that big government helps I think it hurts.  I love you more than you will ever know or believe.

Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

Nope.  the skin color of Bush III is not my issue with him.
 
2013-12-07 06:02:29 PM  

grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.

And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"


I never have a traffic accident! Why am I paying for all those crappy drivers?!
 
2013-12-07 06:05:54 PM  
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2013-12-07 06:09:09 PM  

cman: Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?

Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.


It's the subtle racism of Neo Liberals. They believe anyone of minority status needs to be given a helmet and knee pads.
 
2013-12-07 06:10:20 PM  

Nemo's Brother: cman: Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?

Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.

It's the subtle racism of Neo Liberals. They believe anyone of minority status needs to be given a helmet and knee pads.


Nemo's Brother: cman: Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?

Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.

It's the subtle racism of Neo Liberals. They believe anyone of minority status needs to be given a helmet and knee pads.


Considering the history of mistreatment of minorities by the majority, it makes a little sense.
 
2013-12-07 06:11:14 PM  

jjorsett: sammyk: Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards

Keep whistling past the graveyard. The website continues to be a mess. Just how big a one is tough to quantify because the administration can't or won't release useful data like how many people have actually managed to get insured, which requires making the first payment. The really big shoe to drop will be the cancellation of tens of millions of more policies that'll occur next year due to the delays that were put in for this year plus businesses renewing early in 2013 in order to retain their plans for one more year. You think this early round was bad PR, just wait. Then there's the adverse selection that's already occurring. The young and healthy aren't signing on, which means the premiums are going to go up. That or Obama will have to use the ACA's provisions to hand a ton of money over to the insurers to reimburse them for their losses.

But continue thinking happy thoughts, maybe you're way right and I'm way wrong, and Obamacare will be a triumph.


You do realize that most of them are being moved to plans that are better, while paying pretty much the same. Or, some of them are signing up with another company for a better deal through the exchange. Don't let facts get in the way of your bias.
 
2013-12-07 06:13:18 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: jjorsett: sammyk: Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards

Keep whistling past the graveyard. The website continues to be a mess. Just how big a one is tough to quantify because the administration can't or won't release useful data like how many people have actually managed to get insured, which requires making the first payment. The really big shoe to drop will be the cancellation of tens of millions of more policies that'll occur next year due to the delays that were put in for this year plus businesses renewing early in 2013 in order to retain their plans for one more year. You think this early round was bad PR, just wait. Then there's the adverse selection that's already occurring. The young and healthy aren't signing on, which means the premiums are going to go up. That or Obama will have to use the ACA's provisions to hand a ton of money over to the insurers to reimburse them for their losses.

But continue thinking happy thoughts, maybe you're way right and I'm way wrong, and Obamacare will be a triumph.

You do realize that most of them are being moved to plans that are better, while paying pretty much the same. Or, some of them are signing up with another company for a better deal through the exchange. Don't let facts get in the way of your bias.


I'm 25, and my plan at work got eliminated for an HSA-type of plan.

But since I'm a non-smoker, I get a discount so I'm actually going to pay less for insurance than I already do now.

So...thanks Obama?
 
2013-12-07 06:19:57 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.
 
2013-12-07 06:24:36 PM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.


Go easy on Steve, hes an idiot.
 
2013-12-07 06:25:53 PM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.


Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.
 
2013-12-07 06:28:11 PM  
PJ Media goes to a traditionally black college and discovers that most students there are staying on their parents plan and not "signing up for Obamacare" like that was actually a thing?

Wow, this "Obamacrare is worse than 40 Hitlers" narrative is getting tedious and there is no sign of them stopping any time soon.

/Yes, that's as many as 4 tens.
 
2013-12-07 06:29:54 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dog Welder: Hey, did anyone happen to mention that most college students are likely covered on their parents' insurance plans and wouldn't actually need to sign up for Obamacare?

What happens when the Employer Mandate causes many of their parents to lose that coverage?


Then they sign up with one of the new ACA employee plans they're offered.  In the event that their employer is too small or too petty to bother with such a plan, then they access their federal or state exchange and get new coverage.  Based on their situation, they likely get a significant rebate.  In either scenario, they're likely to get better insurance at a better price, insurance that can't have premium increases at the same pace as they were occurring before because of ACA cost controls.

Any other questions?
 
2013-12-07 06:30:31 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.


So, Single Payer? I agree!
 
2013-12-07 06:31:24 PM  

quatchi: Wow, this "Obamacrare is worse than 40 Hitlers" narrative is getting tedious and there is no sign of them stopping any time soon.

/Yes, that's as many as 4 tens.


And that's terrible.

/Had to
 
2013-12-07 06:34:25 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!


Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.
 
2013-12-07 06:38:13 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.


Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?
 
2013-12-07 06:41:20 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.


I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.
 
2013-12-07 06:46:59 PM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?


Yes.  I choose to drive a car.  I do not have to choose to agree to the rules.  I did not choose to live.  It happened.  I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes.  Not a choice.  Stupid comparison is stupid and disingenuous.
 
2013-12-07 06:47:08 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.


Indeed, the ACA is the only compromise that the GOP would accept.
 
2013-12-07 06:49:31 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.


NO  Single payer was never voted on.  The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies.  Your team sold you out.  Plain and simple.
 
2013-12-07 06:53:22 PM  

Heliovdrake: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.

Indeed, the ACA is the only compromise that the GOP would accept.


Considering that it was a GOP plan in the first place. Created by the Heritage Foundation, championed by the GOP against HillaryCare, and beloved up until Obama supported the bill. Now they are all dead set against it to where they totally shut down the government over defunding the law.
 
2013-12-07 06:58:34 PM  

ScaryBottles: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Haha!
Please help yourself to all the internets.
 
2013-12-07 07:02:33 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.

NO  Single payer was never voted on.  The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies.  Your team sold you out.  Plain and simple.


It was never voted on because it was never brought up because the GOP was dead set against the idea. Again, you let facts get in the way of your bias.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr676#summary
 
2013-12-07 07:13:07 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Why would they kick me out? Higher education is for profit in this country. Its taking me forever to finish because I go minimum full time to work two jobs on top of my classes. I guess that makes me dim.


Because it hurts the school's reputation and more importantly it hurts the bottom line.

Public universities (and private research unis like MIT) lose money on every undergrad, and have to make it up through government subsidization, which only accounts for certain graduation rates.  If it gets  really bad you can start losing your membership in auxillary money streams like football leagues as well.

Private schools, community colleges among them, tend to be more forgiving since each student represents an actual profit.

And yeah, nine years?  The vast majority of people can get the credits for a BA/BS in that time as a part-time student, you're a bit on the dim side.  Nothing necessarily wrong with that, takes all kinds.  But it's how it goes.
 
2013-12-07 07:18:58 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.

NO  Single payer was never voted on.  The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies.  Your team sold you out.  Plain and simple.

It was never voted on because it was never brought up because the GOP was dead set against the idea. Again, you let facts get in the way of your bias.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr676#summary


So if you could not have something good for the country......you got something bad for the country and now want me to be happy about your idiotic choice.  No.  Obama Care sucks.  No lipstick can make this pig look good.
 
2013-12-07 07:20:26 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?

Yes.  I choose to drive a car.  I do not have to choose to agree to the rules.  I did not choose to live.  It happened.  I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes.  Not a choice.  Stupid comparison is stupid and disingenuous.


TL; DR.... I'll take that as a 'yes.'
 
2013-12-07 07:23:05 PM  

Rincewind53: cman: Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.

Really?

D.C. has  ten separate undergraduate universities, as well as more than a dozen post-graduate schools or other types of schools.  Howard is the only one of them other than UDC which has a majority black population.

When a segment producer wants to do a segment like this, they have to choose which school to go to. Howard is likely not the closest one, since I'd find it odd if PJTV has a studio over near it. GW or Georgetown were likely much closer, considering where most production studios in the city are (with the exception of BET which is in NE). Thus, they had to choose which of the 10 schools to go to.

I find it highly unlikely that they didn't choose Howard because it would falsely illustrate to their viewers how "Obama voters" (read: black people) are ignorant about the health care bill.


But those nergo shenanigans are the cheekiest!

Also, good observation. I'm not really familiar with the DC area (visited a few times, but stuck to the "touristy" areas and museums) but I appreciate smacking down with geography.
 
2013-12-07 07:24:40 PM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?

Yes.  I choose to drive a car.  I do not have to choose to agree to the rules.  I did not choose to live.  It happened.  I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes.  Not a choice.  Stupid comparison is stupid and disingenuous.

TL; DR.... I'll take that as a 'yes.'


Did you choose to live(yes or no will be sufficient)?
 
2013-12-07 07:31:17 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?

Yes.  I choose to drive a car.  I do not have to choose to agree to the rules.  I did not choose to live.  It happened.  I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes.  Not a choice.  Stupid comparison is stupid and disingenuous.

TL; DR.... I'll take that as a 'yes.'

Did you choose to live(yes or no will be sufficient)?


BigSteve3OOO
I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes. .

You must not be young and healthy, then.
 
2013-12-07 07:41:42 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.


So, you're in favor of a single-payer system. Great! me too!

wait a second...... wouldn't healthy young people still have to pay into the health care system? Would'nt they stil be subsidizing the sick and old? Wouldn't they be forced into purchasing....what did you call it, 'fiduciary thingamajigs?' What's so different abut this scenario?
 
2013-12-07 07:43:47 PM  

jjorsett: sammyk: Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards

Keep whistling past the graveyard. The website continues to be a mess. Just how big a one is tough to quantify because the administration can't or won't release useful data like how many people have actually managed to get insured, which requires making the first payment. The really big shoe to drop will be the cancellation of tens of millions of more policies that'll occur next year due to the delays that were put in for this year plus businesses renewing early in 2013 in order to retain their plans for one more year. You think this early round was bad PR, just wait. Then there's the adverse selection that's already occurring. The young and healthy aren't signing on, which means the premiums are going to go up. That or Obama will have to use the ACA's provisions to hand a ton of money over to the insurers to reimburse them for their losses.

But continue thinking happy thoughts, maybe you're way right and I'm way wrong, and Obamacare will be a triumph.


/CSB

I got a letter from NC BCBS the other day asking for payment so that the plan I picked from healthcare.gov can go in effect 1/1/14. I shopped for that and added it to my cart when the site was supposedly FUBAR beyond belief. I will be honest and tell you I am staying with my employer subsidized health plan because it is around $200/mo cheaper. But don't go getting cocky. A year and a half ago I was a contractor. When I was a contractor I had almost exactly the same plan and almost exactly the same price. They are not insanely expensive plans.

/endcsb
 
2013-12-07 07:45:25 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO Single payer was never voted on. The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies. Your team sold you out. Plain and simple.


The whole car insurance thing was never voted on either, IIRC; or if it was, it wasn't passed by much. Lots of people, like myself, who don't get into accidents, would prefer not to have coverage, and for the same reasons you cite: Why am I forced to carry insurance because other douchebags like yourself insist on driving around getting into accidents and I have to pay for THEIR stupidity?

But that is the law. The law says if you drive, you WILL have insurance, at least a minimum liability insurance, or you WILL lose your license and you WILL be on the hook for any damage (up to treble damages in some states) if you cause an accident while driving without it--and if you flee an accident, you'll get nailed with criminal charges, too.

Not because anyone "wanted" to give insurance companies money; but because the skyrocketing costs of auto accidents during the time before such laws were passed meant that people increasingly DEMANDED such laws. And now it's the same: The skyrocketing costs of people not having health insurance means that society is forced to cover them through other means (taxation, mostly, to pay for ER and County care). Nobody "wants" to give insurance companies money, but the politicians fought single-payer coverage so hard, this was what we got instead.

You really don't get the idea of "compromise" do you? Or is it that "compromise" is such a dirty word to you, you don't understand why we wound up with ACA instead of what clearly would have been the better option? Hint: It's because a lot of people feel like you, and most of them are in Congress right now.
 
2013-12-07 07:49:05 PM  
What's this supposed to prove, other than college students are too busy to pay attention to political circlejerks?
 
2013-12-07 07:51:12 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: So if you could not have something good for the country......you got something bad for the country and now want me to be happy about your idiotic choice. No. Obama Care sucks. No lipstick can make this pig look good.


We wanted something good for the country - single payer.
We had the chance for something a little less good for the country but acceptable - a public option.
We got something that was flawed but an improvement for the country - the ACA
You want something that is BAD for the country - the old status quo, where people couldn't get insurance if they'd been sick before, died because they didn't have insurance, and went bankrupt if they DID have insurance that didn't cover their costs.

You're presenting it as "if you couldn't have what you want, you shouldn't have done anything".  Which is classical GOP reasoning.  We prefer "if we can't have what we want, we'll get what we CAN and iterate improvements".

Oh, yeah, and keep in mind that the ACA is a compromise with what the Republicans wanted.  The left wanted single-payer.  The Democrats mostly wanted a public option.  The Republicans wanted NOTHING, NO CHANGES, EVERYTHING IS PERFECT.  So this system is indeed the Republicans' fault, because they refused to accept anything better.
OK, so they refused to accept this system either, in hindsight we should have just done what we wanted in the end.  But lesson learned - don't negotiate in good faith with the Republican party, because they're not.
 
2013-12-07 07:58:56 PM  

Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: NO Single payer was never voted on. The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies. Your team sold you out. Plain and simple.

The whole car insurance thing was never voted on either, IIRC; or if it was, it wasn't passed by much. Lots of people, like myself, who don't get into accidents, would prefer not to have coverage, and for the same reasons you cite: Why am I forced to carry insurance because other douchebags like yourself insist on driving around getting into accidents and I have to pay for THEIR stupidity?

But that is the law. The law says if you drive, you WILL have insurance, at least a minimum liability insurance, or you WILL lose your license and you WILL be on the hook for any damage (up to treble damages in some states) if you cause an accident while driving without it--and if you flee an accident, you'll get nailed with criminal charges, too.

Not because anyone "wanted" to give insurance companies money; but because the skyrocketing costs of auto accidents during the time before such laws were passed meant that people increasingly DEMANDED such laws. And now it's the same: The skyrocketing costs of people not having health insurance means that society is forced to cover them through other means (taxation, mostly, to pay for ER and County care). Nobody "wants" to give insurance companies money, but the politicians fought single-payer coverage so hard, this was what we got instead.

You really don't get the idea of "compromise" do you? Or is it that "compromise" is such a dirty word to you, you don't understand why we wound up with ACA instead of what clearly would have been the better option? Hint: It's because a lot of people feel like you, and most of them are in Congress right now.


The car example is stupid.  You do not have to drive.  It is a choice.  Please stop using it.  you are better than that.
 
2013-12-07 08:04:22 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.


You started it.
 
2013-12-07 08:08:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.


Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?
 
2013-12-07 08:10:13 PM  

bizzwire: Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.

Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?


Themselves or their family or they die.  Unless someone makes a system that is unfair.
 
2013-12-07 08:18:25 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.

NO  Single payer was never voted on.  The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies.  Your team sold you out.  Plain and simple.

It was never voted on because it was never brought up because the GOP was dead set against the idea. Again, you let facts get in the way of your bias.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr676#summary

So i ...


The bill was submitted by the Democrats and not even voted on by the Republicans.

Your incorrect statements are still incorrect.
 
2013-12-07 08:28:17 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.

Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?

Themselves or their family or they die.  Unless someone makes a system that is unfair.


I'm beginning to suspect that you are arguing in bad faith, or are a particularly nasty piece of work. Some have suggested that you are merely trying to get a rise out of people. Why anyone would do this is beyond my comprehension, but I understand that such creatures exist. Sad, really.
 
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