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(Independent Journal Review)   Let's ask some college students and see how many of them have actually signed up for Obamacare. Bonus quote of the day: "I thought Obamacare was supposed to be, like, free"   (ijreview.com) divider line 179
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2013-12-07 03:34:42 PM  
Aren't college students by and large covered by their parents' insurance?

Good going, failmitter/pj media
 
2013-12-07 03:44:06 PM  

sprgrss: Aren't college students by and large covered by their parents' insurance?


What he said. You're covered by your parents until age 25.
 
2013-12-07 03:46:28 PM  
Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards
 
2013-12-07 03:51:53 PM  
Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?
 
2013-12-07 03:56:36 PM  
You don't sign up for Obamacare. You shop for affordable health care under the new PPACA law that says the insurance companies can't be dicks to you any more.
 
2013-12-07 03:58:26 PM  

Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?


Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.
 
2013-12-07 04:06:23 PM  

Di Atribe: You don't sign up for Obamacare. You shop for affordable health care under the new PPACA law that says the insurance companies can't be dicks to you any more.


This. You can always identify the Teabagger GOP retards because they will come out with some crap about  congress or a union not being covered by Obamacare.
 
2013-12-07 04:08:41 PM  

cman: Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.


Really?

D.C. has  ten separate undergraduate universities, as well as more than a dozen post-graduate schools or other types of schools.  Howard is the only one of them other than UDC which has a majority black population.

When a segment producer wants to do a segment like this, they have to choose which school to go to. Howard is likely not the closest one, since I'd find it odd if PJTV has a studio over near it. GW or Georgetown were likely much closer, considering where most production studios in the city are (with the exception of BET which is in NE). Thus, they had to choose which of the 10 schools to go to.

I find it highly unlikely that they didn't choose Howard because it would falsely illustrate to their viewers how "Obama voters" (read: black people) are ignorant about the health care bill.
 
2013-12-07 04:10:44 PM  

Rincewind53: cman: Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.

Really?

D.C. has  ten separate undergraduate universities, as well as more than a dozen post-graduate schools or other types of schools.  Howard is the only one of them other than UDC which has a majority black population.

When a segment producer wants to do a segment like this, they have to choose which school to go to. Howard is likely not the closest one, since I'd find it odd if PJTV has a studio over near it. GW or Georgetown were likely much closer, considering where most production studios in the city are (with the exception of BET which is in NE). Thus, they had to choose which of the 10 schools to go to.

I find it highly unlikely that they didn't choose Howard because it would falsely illustrate to their viewers how "Obama voters" (read: black people) are ignorant about the health care bill.


Its possible. I ain't saying its not.
 
2013-12-07 04:12:21 PM  

cman: Its possible. I ain't saying its not.


Yeah. If this was coming from anything other than Pajamas Media I would never have made the connection, to be totally honest.
 
2013-12-07 04:25:08 PM  
Subby making fun of someone for not knowing what they're talking about while not knowing what he/she is talking about. And of course it's a PJ link. Go figure
 
2013-12-07 04:37:10 PM  
If you live on campus, chances are you have to provide proof of insurance, either your parents, a university plan, or (sometimes) Medicaid.  Colleges don't want to admit people who are going to drop out if they get sick because they don't have health insurance, it messes with their graduation rates.
 
2013-12-07 04:41:25 PM  
PJTV content disguised with a tag of something other than Pajama Media.   If you're going to link to right wing extremist propaganda, at least have the courage of your convictions.

Fark you subby for disguising your source, and fark you modmins for greening it.
 
2013-12-07 04:44:28 PM  
Of course it's free. Conservatives keep bleating that people voted for Obama for free health care. Fox keeps saying it's free and people started to believe it.
 
2013-12-07 04:48:47 PM  
As a college student who enrolls other college students, I'm really getting a kick...
 
2013-12-07 04:53:33 PM  

edmo: Of course it's free. Conservatives keep bleating that people voted for Obama for free health care. Fox keeps saying it's free and people started to believe it.


Well we all know how popular Fox News is with college liberals.
 
2013-12-07 04:54:59 PM  
NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.
 
2013-12-07 04:56:46 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.


And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"
 
2013-12-07 04:57:33 PM  
Stupid free Medicaid & Medicare is stupid!
 
2013-12-07 04:58:49 PM  

edmo: Of course it's free. Conservatives keep bleating that people voted for Obama for free health care. Fox keeps saying it's free and people started to believe it.


"Get a load of all these suckers that believed our lies"
 
2013-12-07 05:00:00 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.



Nobody needs health insurance until they get sick or injured.  If we let people buy health insurance after they get sick or injured and then drop it after they get well, the insurance companies will lose money.

Do you hate the free market?  Do you think that insurance companies should not be allowed to make money?  Because it sounds to me like you're advocating for socialism.
 
2013-12-07 05:02:22 PM  

sprgrss: Aren't college students by and large covered by their parents' insurance?

Good going, failmitter/pj media


Only those who have parents. And only if one or more of those parents have insurance.

Poor orphans excluded. Poor little orphans.
 
2013-12-07 05:02:41 PM  
Does Howard have a group plan for students?
 
2013-12-07 05:03:18 PM  

Mrbogey: edmo: Of course it's free. Conservatives keep bleating that people voted for Obama for free health care. Fox keeps saying it's free and people started to believe it.

Well we all know how popular Fox News is with college liberals.


It's almost as if our media isn't left leaning at all.
 
2013-12-07 05:05:08 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Or, you know, until they:
 get hit by a car
 break a leg slipping on ice
 get hit by a bus
 get hit by falling airplane parts
 get hit by an elephant that escaped from the zoo
 get hit by a helicopter falling on a pub where they're drinking (8 killed in Glasgow after that one)
 get shot in a drug deal gone wrong
 get shot in a drug deal gone wrong that they had nothing to do with but got caught in the crossfire
 get shot by the police
 get shot by a fellow student
 shoot themselves by accident,
 get pneumonia
 develop PCOS
 get cancer
 come down with strep throat
 get chlamydia
 get syphillis
 get AIDS
 get gonorrhea
 get pregnant
 accidentally lose a toy car up their ass
 accidentally lose a condom up their vag
 have a condom break and need Plan B
 have a condom break and need an abortion
 get West Nile Virus
 get MRSA
 get drug-resistant tuberculosis after travelling abroad in their junior year
 get kneed in the balls by an ex-girlfriend which leads to testicular torsion
 get beaten up by an ex-boyfriend
 get beaten up by a current boyfriend or girlfriend
 fall over while riding a bike
 get doored while riding a bike
 get hit by a car while riding a bike
 get into an accident while driving a car
 break an ankle while skydiving
 break a wrist while boxing
 break a femur while climbing rock walls
 sprain an ankle badly while training for a marathon
 pull a tendon while exercising
 or just have their body spontaneously decide to fail on them.

So, you know, I guess healthy young people never need health care at all!

Or maybe I read your post wrong and you meant that young people  should be funding this and the stupid was at them for  not getting insurance. In which case, well, it was really fun typing out a few dozen ways that you could get hurt as a healthy young person.
 
2013-12-07 05:05:43 PM  

FloydA: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Nobody needs health insurance until they get sick or injured.  If we let people buy health insurance after they get sick or injured and then drop it after they get well, the insurance companies will lose money.

Do you hate the free market?  Do you think that insurance companies should not be allowed to make money?  Because it sounds to me like you're advocating for socialism.


Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.
 
2013-12-07 05:07:22 PM  
And if you got to Wal-Mart in a rural town and ask ACA questions you'll get hilarious answers as well
 
2013-12-07 05:09:37 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.


Every human being on the planet participates in the health care market. Shifting that to the health insurance market just makes costs more even for everyone, especially because we the taxpayers have to pay for people who have to use the emergency room for primary care.

And American GDP is decreased when healthy workers lose their ability to work due to preventable illnesses and injuries that go untreated because the worker doesn't have health insurance.

Why do you hate the American economy?
 
2013-12-07 05:09:41 PM  

Rincewind53: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

Or, you know, until they:
 get hit by a car
 break a leg slipping on ice
 get hit by a bus
 get hit by falling airplane parts
 get hit by an elephant that escaped from the zoo
 get hit by a helicopter falling on a pub where they're drinking (8 killed in Glasgow after that one)
 get shot in a drug deal gone wrong
 get shot in a drug deal gone wrong that they had nothing to do with but got caught in the crossfire
 get shot by the police
 get shot by a fellow student
 shoot themselves by accident,
 get pneumonia
 develop PCOS
 get cancer
 come down with strep throat
 get chlamydia
 get syphillis
 get AIDS
 get gonorrhea
 get pregnant
 accidentally lose a toy car up their ass
 accidentally lose a condom up their vag
 have a condom break and need Plan B
 have a condom break and need an abortion
 get West Nile Virus
 get MRSA
 get drug-resistant tuberculosis after travelling abroad in their junior year
 get kneed in the balls by an ex-girlfriend which leads to testicular torsion
 get beaten up by an ex-boyfriend
 get beaten up by a current boyfriend or girlfriend
 fall over while riding a bike
 get doored while riding a bike
 get hit by a car while riding a bike
 get into an accident while driving a car
 break an ankle while skydiving
 break a wrist while boxing
 break a femur while climbing rock walls
 sprain an ankle badly while training for a marathon
 pull a tendon while exercising
 or just have their body spontaneously decide to fail on them.

So, you know, I guess healthy young people never need health care at all!

Or maybe I read your post wrong and you meant that young people  should be funding this and the stupid was at them for  not getting insurance. In which case, well, it was really fun typing out a few dozen ways that y ...


Even though every item you list does occur: if you average it out among the group and add the cost for insurance; the price of insurance far out-weights the cost of paying it out of pocket.  Most 20-30 year olds will not need to see the doctor for anything more serious than a cold.  But you knew that didn't you.  Damn I just got trolled.  Man those guys...
 
2013-12-07 05:11:04 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Until they get cancer, get into a car accident, or other accident causing them to need insurance.
 
2013-12-07 05:12:18 PM  
"Michelle Fields of PJTV cannot find one student at Howard University in Washington DC who has signed up for ObamaCare. These are the people Obama is relying on to carry the whole program."

Yes, after they graduate college and start making money.

Is there going to be a second installment, where Michelle Fields of PJTV goes back to campus and can't find a single student working full time for more than 30K/year?  ZOMG THESE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE FUTURE OF OUR ECONOMY!

I've seen some ideologically slanted stuff on the Internet, but this one is just an embarrassing and fundamental confusion about what college is supposed to be.
 
2013-12-07 05:13:53 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: FloydA: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Nobody needs health insurance until they get sick or injured.  If we let people buy health insurance after they get sick or injured and then drop it after they get well, the insurance companies will lose money.

Do you hate the free market?  Do you think that insurance companies should not be allowed to make money?  Because it sounds to me like you're advocating for socialism.

Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.


Under the old way: People who bought insurance pay for themselves and the uninsured
Under the ACA- People who buy insurance pay for themselves

And before you scream MEDICAID!, anyone who pays taxes already pays for that.
 
2013-12-07 05:15:18 PM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Stupid free Medicaid & Medicare is stupid!


Have you looked at your pay stub lately? One of those things is not like the other.
 
2013-12-07 05:15:22 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Rincewind53: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

Or, you know, until they:
 get hit by a car
 break a leg slipping on ice
 get hit by a bus
 get hit by falling airplane parts
 get hit by an elephant that escaped from the zoo
 get hit by a helicopter falling on a pub where they're drinking (8 killed in Glasgow after that one)
 get shot in a drug deal gone wrong
 get shot in a drug deal gone wrong that they had nothing to do with but got caught in the crossfire
 get shot by the police
 get shot by a fellow student
 shoot themselves by accident,
 get pneumonia
 develop PCOS
 get cancer
 come down with strep throat
 get chlamydia
 get syphillis
 get AIDS
 get gonorrhea
 get pregnant
 accidentally lose a toy car up their ass
 accidentally lose a condom up their vag
 have a condom break and need Plan B
 have a condom break and need an abortion
 get West Nile Virus
 get MRSA
 get drug-resistant tuberculosis after travelling abroad in their junior year
 get kneed in the balls by an ex-girlfriend which leads to testicular torsion
 get beaten up by an ex-boyfriend
 get beaten up by a current boyfriend or girlfriend
 fall over while riding a bike
 get doored while riding a bike
 get hit by a car while riding a bike
 get into an accident while driving a car
 break an ankle while skydiving
 break a wrist while boxing
 break a femur while climbing rock walls
 sprain an ankle badly while training for a marathon
 pull a tendon while exercising
 or just have their body spontaneously decide to fail on them.

So, you know, I guess healthy young people never need health care at all!

Or maybe I read your post wrong and you meant that young people  should be funding this and the stupid was at them for  not getting insurance. In which case, well, it was really fun typing out a few doze ...


You just ignored his post and spewed something that is provably false.
 
2013-12-07 05:16:00 PM  
Hey, did anyone happen to mention that most college students are likely covered on their parents' insurance plans and wouldn't actually need to sign up for Obamacare?  Because that would make this article and the moron who submitted it and the moron who greenlighted it seem rather moronic.
 
2013-12-07 05:17:39 PM  
Anyone who takes Pajamas Media seriously really needs some kind of special insurance.
 
2013-12-07 05:17:59 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Even though every item you list does occur: if you average it out among the group and add the cost for insurance; the price of insurance far out-weights the cost of paying it out of pocket.  Most 20-30 year olds will not need to see the doctor for anything more serious than a cold.  But you knew that didn't you.  Damn I just got trolled.  Man those guys...


Got some facts to back up that assertion that the price of insurance far outweighs the cost of paying for medical expenses out of pocket?

Because where I'm coming from, insurance companies use risk pools to determine the point where it is economically efficient for a person to get health insurance.

See, that's the thing with probabilities. The chance of me personally, a particular young person, getting an injury or illness that would make my health insurance become necessary, is fairly low, and for me personally, the price of insurance has outweighed the costs of paying for medical expenses out of pocket (although I had to spend a couple thousand on dental care that my insurance didn't cover, which added insult to injury).

But the chance of  any young person, no particular young person, getting injured or ill and requiring health insurance that will cover far more that the costs of paying it out out pocket, are quite high.

It's basic probability mathematics.
 
2013-12-07 05:19:38 PM  

Rincewind53: It's basic probability mathematics.


You're talking to a guy that spells 3000 with the letter O, and you expect him to understand math?
 
2013-12-07 05:23:07 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-07 05:23:20 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: FloydA: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Nobody needs health insurance until they get sick or injured.  If we let people buy health insurance after they get sick or injured and then drop it after they get well, the insurance companies will lose money.

Do you hate the free market?  Do you think that insurance companies should not be allowed to make money?  Because it sounds to me like you're advocating for socialism.

Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.


Thanks for being the dumbest guy in the thread. I bet your mother is so proud of you.
 
2013-12-07 05:24:26 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: young healthy people who do not need health care at all


Rush Limbaugh actually made this argument decades ago when the Clintons tried to get their healthcare bull passed.
 
2013-12-07 05:24:30 PM  
Well... anyone still in undergrad at 27 (when you're no longer on your parents' insurance automatically) probably IS a bit dim, yes.

I mean, I guess that can involve going back or starting late, but usually people going back are in their 30s and the people in their late 20s are the alcoholic frat-bro types that just can't get the credit-hours.

//Or grad students, who are largely on campus insurance.
 
2013-12-07 05:24:58 PM  

Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?


can i guess? please, please.
 
2013-12-07 05:30:14 PM  

MFAWG: Wake Up Sheeple: Stupid free Medicaid & Medicare is stupid!

Have you looked at your pay stub lately? One of those things is not like the other.


What are you trying to say? That poor people and seniors/disabled pay for these programs? HOW DARE THEY GET FREE HEALTHCARE. Or is it OMG TAXES!

If you're not simply trolling, you need to check yourself.
 
2013-12-07 05:30:35 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: FloydA: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Nobody needs health insurance until they get sick or injured.  If we let people buy health insurance after they get sick or injured and then drop it after they get well, the insurance companies will lose money.

Do you hate the free market?  Do you think that insurance companies should not be allowed to make money?  Because it sounds to me like you're advocating for socialism.

Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.



Prior to the ACA, freeloaders who refused to buy insurance just went to the ER when they got sick or injured and then when they couldn't or wouldn't pay, taxpayers like me had to foot the bill for them, as well as for myself through my insurance premiums.

Now, under the ACA, freeloaders can't do that anymore, and I only have to pay for myself.

So, once again, do you hate the free market?  Do you prefer socialism?  Because that is exactly what you are advocating.
 
2013-12-07 05:31:17 PM  

FloydA: PJTV content disguised with a tag of something other than Pajama Media.   If you're going to link to right wing extremist propaganda, at least have the courage of your convictions.

Fark you subby for disguising your source, and fark you modmins for greening it.


Dog Welder: Hey, did anyone happen to mention that most college students are likely covered on their parents' insurance plans and wouldn't actually need to sign up for Obamacare?  Because that would make this article and the moron who submitted it and the moron who greenlighted it seem rather moronic.


So, not only a coward, but a stupid coward.
 
2013-12-07 05:33:05 PM  

sammyk: Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards


Keep whistling past the graveyard. The website continues to be a mess. Just how big a one is tough to quantify because the administration can't or won't release useful data like how many people have actually managed to get insured, which requires making the first payment. The really big shoe to drop will be the cancellation of tens of millions of more policies that'll occur next year due to the delays that were put in for this year plus businesses renewing early in 2013 in order to retain their plans for one more year. You think this early round was bad PR, just wait. Then there's the adverse selection that's already occurring. The young and healthy aren't signing on, which means the premiums are going to go up. That or Obama will have to use the ACA's provisions to hand a ton of money over to the insurers to reimburse them for their losses.

But continue thinking happy thoughts, maybe you're way right and I'm way wrong, and Obamacare will be a triumph.
 
2013-12-07 05:33:12 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Well... anyone still in undergrad at 27 (when you're no longer on your parents' insurance automatically) probably IS a bit dim, yes.

I mean, I guess that can involve going back or starting late, but usually people going back are in their 30s and the people in their late 20s are the alcoholic frat-bro types that just can't get the credit-hours.

//Or grad students, who are largely on campus insurance.


Some of us work too.
 
2013-12-07 05:33:20 PM  
This site is just precious.
Other headlines on the sidebar:

Rabid, topless feminists attack group of praying men protecting cathedral from vandalism.

and

White House changes story: Obama DID live with illegal alien Kenyan uncle before going to Harvard.
 
2013-12-07 05:33:21 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: ?  Because it sounds to me like you're advocating for socialism.



If you're against a thing, odds are that thing works, is successful and makes sense.
 
2013-12-07 05:35:40 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.


I have a question for those people like yourself who have issues with the ACA... what exactly is your opposition to it?

Is it the fact that this is a law that has all of us as citizens actually do something good for ourselves and our nation (i.e "forced"), like seat belt laws, laws against murder and rape, or the constitution itself?

or

Are you concerned that you'll have to actually pay what health care insurance really costs without the luxury of pushing the costs for your care onto other people who had the foresight to go and buy real insurance?

or

Do you not realize that a healthy country is a strong and prosperous country?

or

Do you just not give a rolling rat sh*t about anyone but yourself?

or

Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

The last one is the most interesting, in that I have known white people who have actually said this, people who had no trouble with the white presidents before nor their wives (Betty says "get your boobies checked" - yay, Nancy says "Just say NO to drugs" - yay, Rosalynn says "help the mentally ill" - yay, Barbra says "Learn something" - yay, Laura says "Just read books" - yay, Michelle says "Eat healthier and get off your ass" - WHO THE F*CK IS THIS biatch!?!?)
 
2013-12-07 05:36:33 PM  
Also, crymitter I was reliably informed that the youth of this country are acutely aware of Obamacare and how it is the worst thing since Hitler........

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/12/millennials-sour-on-bot h- obama-and-obamacare/

I didn't even need to go to Tard News to find this little turd so tell me which is it?

Seriously you guys need to quit sniffing glue prior to greenlighting links this site is seriously going to shiat.
 
2013-12-07 05:36:46 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Oh Look its Yosemite Ayn Rand

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2013-12-07 05:40:31 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Some of us work too.


... at an institution that won't kick you out for being part-time for nine plus years?

Actually, that's fair, maybe they're asking community college students.  I sometimes forget that's a thing since I went on the 4-year track.
 
2013-12-07 05:40:59 PM  
So, I just want to point out that something like half the posts, if not more, in this thread are all replying to an obvious troll.

That he can be an obvious troll, and get that many responses, leaves me no choice but to give him a 10/10.
 
2013-12-07 05:45:39 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.


The law requires me to wear clothing when I leave the house. Utter tyranny. I blame 0bama.
 
2013-12-07 05:46:11 PM  

Dog Welder: Hey, did anyone happen to mention that most college students are likely covered on their parents' insurance plans and wouldn't actually need to sign up for Obamacare?


What happens when the Employer Mandate causes many of their parents to lose that coverage?
 
2013-12-07 05:46:26 PM  

andersoncouncil42: This site is just precious.
Other headlines on the sidebar:

Rabid, topless feminists attack group of praying men protecting cathedral from vandalism.

and

White House changes story: Obama DID live with illegal alien Kenyan uncle before going to Harvard.


Topless feminists? I don't give a shiat about cathedrals but I might volunteer for vandalism protection duty.

In regards to the video, it seems intentionally racist, misleading and pointless.
 
2013-12-07 05:47:33 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Does Howard have a group plan for students?


Yup.

From the Howard University Student Insurance Plan brochure (PDF): "All students of Howard University who have been cleared through the Office of Admissions are automatically insured under Plan A of the student insurance program and the applicable premium is charged to their tuition bill."


 
2013-12-07 05:47:41 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Snatch Bandergrip: Some of us work too.

... at an institution that won't kick you out for being part-time for nine plus years?

Actually, that's fair, maybe they're asking community college students.  I sometimes forget that's a thing since I went on the 4-year track.


Why would they kick me out? Higher education is for profit in this country. Its taking me forever to finish because I go minimum full time to work two jobs on top of my classes. I guess that makes me dim.

Are you thinking of high school? If I was there for nine years, yes, they'd have to kick me out.
 
2013-12-07 05:58:57 PM  

rewind2846: bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.

I have a question for those people like yourself who have issues with the ACA... what exactly is your opposition to it?

Is it the fact that this is a law that has all of us as citizens actually do something good for ourselves and our nation (i.e "forced"), like seat belt laws, laws against murder and rape, or the constitution itself?

or

Are you concerned that you'll have to actually pay what health care insurance really costs without the luxury of pushing the costs for your care onto other people who had the foresight to go and buy real insurance?

or

Do you not realize that a healthy country is a strong and prosperous country?

or

Do you just not give a rolling rat sh*t about anyone but yourself?

or

Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

The last one is the most interesting, in that I have known white people who have actually said this, people who had no trouble with the white presidents before nor their wives (Betty says "get your boobies checked" - yay, Nancy says "Just say NO to drugs" - yay, Rosalynn says "help the mentally ill" - yay, Barbra says "Learn something" - yay, Laura says "Just read books" - yay, Michelle says "Eat healthier and get off your ass" - WHO THE F*CK IS THIS biatch!?!?)


OK point by point lets give you the response you deserve:

Is it the fact that this is a law that has all of us as citizens actually do something good for ourselves and our nation (i.e "forced"), like seat belt laws, laws against murder and rape, or the constitution itself?

The government is not supposed to protect any citizen from themselves.  It is only supposed to protect a citizen from charlatans or foreign invaders.  Murder and Rape violate another citizen and should be prohibited.  Seat belts and health care are individual choices and have no business being in the governments domain.

Are you concerned that you'll have to actually pay what health care insurance really costs without the luxury of pushing the costs for your care onto other people who had the foresight to go and buy real insurance?

No I am concerned that any citizen is forced to but a product they do not want or need in order to subsidize others.

Do you not realize that a healthy country is a strong and prosperous country?

Yes I do.  Individuals have made this country great despite the government trying to homogenize wealth.

Do you just not give a rolling rat sh*t about anyone but yourself?

I love everyone with all my heart.  I just don't believe that big government helps I think it hurts.  I love you more than you will ever know or believe.

Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

Nope.  the skin color of Bush III is not my issue with him.
 
2013-12-07 06:02:29 PM  

grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.

And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"


I never have a traffic accident! Why am I paying for all those crappy drivers?!
 
2013-12-07 06:05:54 PM  
farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2013-12-07 06:09:09 PM  

cman: Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?

Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.


It's the subtle racism of Neo Liberals. They believe anyone of minority status needs to be given a helmet and knee pads.
 
2013-12-07 06:10:20 PM  

Nemo's Brother: cman: Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?

Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.

It's the subtle racism of Neo Liberals. They believe anyone of minority status needs to be given a helmet and knee pads.


Nemo's Brother: cman: Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?

Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.

It's the subtle racism of Neo Liberals. They believe anyone of minority status needs to be given a helmet and knee pads.


Considering the history of mistreatment of minorities by the majority, it makes a little sense.
 
2013-12-07 06:11:14 PM  

jjorsett: sammyk: Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards

Keep whistling past the graveyard. The website continues to be a mess. Just how big a one is tough to quantify because the administration can't or won't release useful data like how many people have actually managed to get insured, which requires making the first payment. The really big shoe to drop will be the cancellation of tens of millions of more policies that'll occur next year due to the delays that were put in for this year plus businesses renewing early in 2013 in order to retain their plans for one more year. You think this early round was bad PR, just wait. Then there's the adverse selection that's already occurring. The young and healthy aren't signing on, which means the premiums are going to go up. That or Obama will have to use the ACA's provisions to hand a ton of money over to the insurers to reimburse them for their losses.

But continue thinking happy thoughts, maybe you're way right and I'm way wrong, and Obamacare will be a triumph.


You do realize that most of them are being moved to plans that are better, while paying pretty much the same. Or, some of them are signing up with another company for a better deal through the exchange. Don't let facts get in the way of your bias.
 
2013-12-07 06:13:18 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: jjorsett: sammyk: Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards

Keep whistling past the graveyard. The website continues to be a mess. Just how big a one is tough to quantify because the administration can't or won't release useful data like how many people have actually managed to get insured, which requires making the first payment. The really big shoe to drop will be the cancellation of tens of millions of more policies that'll occur next year due to the delays that were put in for this year plus businesses renewing early in 2013 in order to retain their plans for one more year. You think this early round was bad PR, just wait. Then there's the adverse selection that's already occurring. The young and healthy aren't signing on, which means the premiums are going to go up. That or Obama will have to use the ACA's provisions to hand a ton of money over to the insurers to reimburse them for their losses.

But continue thinking happy thoughts, maybe you're way right and I'm way wrong, and Obamacare will be a triumph.

You do realize that most of them are being moved to plans that are better, while paying pretty much the same. Or, some of them are signing up with another company for a better deal through the exchange. Don't let facts get in the way of your bias.


I'm 25, and my plan at work got eliminated for an HSA-type of plan.

But since I'm a non-smoker, I get a discount so I'm actually going to pay less for insurance than I already do now.

So...thanks Obama?
 
2013-12-07 06:19:57 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.
 
2013-12-07 06:24:36 PM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.


Go easy on Steve, hes an idiot.
 
2013-12-07 06:25:53 PM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.


Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.
 
2013-12-07 06:28:11 PM  
PJ Media goes to a traditionally black college and discovers that most students there are staying on their parents plan and not "signing up for Obamacare" like that was actually a thing?

Wow, this "Obamacrare is worse than 40 Hitlers" narrative is getting tedious and there is no sign of them stopping any time soon.

/Yes, that's as many as 4 tens.
 
2013-12-07 06:29:54 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dog Welder: Hey, did anyone happen to mention that most college students are likely covered on their parents' insurance plans and wouldn't actually need to sign up for Obamacare?

What happens when the Employer Mandate causes many of their parents to lose that coverage?


Then they sign up with one of the new ACA employee plans they're offered.  In the event that their employer is too small or too petty to bother with such a plan, then they access their federal or state exchange and get new coverage.  Based on their situation, they likely get a significant rebate.  In either scenario, they're likely to get better insurance at a better price, insurance that can't have premium increases at the same pace as they were occurring before because of ACA cost controls.

Any other questions?
 
2013-12-07 06:30:31 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.


So, Single Payer? I agree!
 
2013-12-07 06:31:24 PM  

quatchi: Wow, this "Obamacrare is worse than 40 Hitlers" narrative is getting tedious and there is no sign of them stopping any time soon.

/Yes, that's as many as 4 tens.


And that's terrible.

/Had to
 
2013-12-07 06:34:25 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!


Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.
 
2013-12-07 06:38:13 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.


Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?
 
2013-12-07 06:41:20 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.


I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.
 
2013-12-07 06:46:59 PM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?


Yes.  I choose to drive a car.  I do not have to choose to agree to the rules.  I did not choose to live.  It happened.  I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes.  Not a choice.  Stupid comparison is stupid and disingenuous.
 
2013-12-07 06:47:08 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.


Indeed, the ACA is the only compromise that the GOP would accept.
 
2013-12-07 06:49:31 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.


NO  Single payer was never voted on.  The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies.  Your team sold you out.  Plain and simple.
 
2013-12-07 06:53:22 PM  

Heliovdrake: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.

Indeed, the ACA is the only compromise that the GOP would accept.


Considering that it was a GOP plan in the first place. Created by the Heritage Foundation, championed by the GOP against HillaryCare, and beloved up until Obama supported the bill. Now they are all dead set against it to where they totally shut down the government over defunding the law.
 
2013-12-07 06:58:34 PM  

ScaryBottles: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Haha!
Please help yourself to all the internets.
 
2013-12-07 07:02:33 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.

NO  Single payer was never voted on.  The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies.  Your team sold you out.  Plain and simple.


It was never voted on because it was never brought up because the GOP was dead set against the idea. Again, you let facts get in the way of your bias.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr676#summary
 
2013-12-07 07:13:07 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Why would they kick me out? Higher education is for profit in this country. Its taking me forever to finish because I go minimum full time to work two jobs on top of my classes. I guess that makes me dim.


Because it hurts the school's reputation and more importantly it hurts the bottom line.

Public universities (and private research unis like MIT) lose money on every undergrad, and have to make it up through government subsidization, which only accounts for certain graduation rates.  If it gets  really bad you can start losing your membership in auxillary money streams like football leagues as well.

Private schools, community colleges among them, tend to be more forgiving since each student represents an actual profit.

And yeah, nine years?  The vast majority of people can get the credits for a BA/BS in that time as a part-time student, you're a bit on the dim side.  Nothing necessarily wrong with that, takes all kinds.  But it's how it goes.
 
2013-12-07 07:18:58 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.

NO  Single payer was never voted on.  The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies.  Your team sold you out.  Plain and simple.

It was never voted on because it was never brought up because the GOP was dead set against the idea. Again, you let facts get in the way of your bias.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr676#summary


So if you could not have something good for the country......you got something bad for the country and now want me to be happy about your idiotic choice.  No.  Obama Care sucks.  No lipstick can make this pig look good.
 
2013-12-07 07:20:26 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?

Yes.  I choose to drive a car.  I do not have to choose to agree to the rules.  I did not choose to live.  It happened.  I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes.  Not a choice.  Stupid comparison is stupid and disingenuous.


TL; DR.... I'll take that as a 'yes.'
 
2013-12-07 07:23:05 PM  

Rincewind53: cman: Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.

Really?

D.C. has  ten separate undergraduate universities, as well as more than a dozen post-graduate schools or other types of schools.  Howard is the only one of them other than UDC which has a majority black population.

When a segment producer wants to do a segment like this, they have to choose which school to go to. Howard is likely not the closest one, since I'd find it odd if PJTV has a studio over near it. GW or Georgetown were likely much closer, considering where most production studios in the city are (with the exception of BET which is in NE). Thus, they had to choose which of the 10 schools to go to.

I find it highly unlikely that they didn't choose Howard because it would falsely illustrate to their viewers how "Obama voters" (read: black people) are ignorant about the health care bill.


But those nergo shenanigans are the cheekiest!

Also, good observation. I'm not really familiar with the DC area (visited a few times, but stuck to the "touristy" areas and museums) but I appreciate smacking down with geography.
 
2013-12-07 07:24:40 PM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?

Yes.  I choose to drive a car.  I do not have to choose to agree to the rules.  I did not choose to live.  It happened.  I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes.  Not a choice.  Stupid comparison is stupid and disingenuous.

TL; DR.... I'll take that as a 'yes.'


Did you choose to live(yes or no will be sufficient)?
 
2013-12-07 07:31:17 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

Simple question (yes or no will be sufficient): do you drive a car?

Yes.  I choose to drive a car.  I do not have to choose to agree to the rules.  I did not choose to live.  It happened.  I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes.  Not a choice.  Stupid comparison is stupid and disingenuous.

TL; DR.... I'll take that as a 'yes.'

Did you choose to live(yes or no will be sufficient)?


BigSteve3OOO
I need to see a doctor to stay alive sometimes. .

You must not be young and healthy, then.
 
2013-12-07 07:41:42 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.


So, you're in favor of a single-payer system. Great! me too!

wait a second...... wouldn't healthy young people still have to pay into the health care system? Would'nt they stil be subsidizing the sick and old? Wouldn't they be forced into purchasing....what did you call it, 'fiduciary thingamajigs?' What's so different abut this scenario?
 
2013-12-07 07:43:47 PM  

jjorsett: sammyk: Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards

Keep whistling past the graveyard. The website continues to be a mess. Just how big a one is tough to quantify because the administration can't or won't release useful data like how many people have actually managed to get insured, which requires making the first payment. The really big shoe to drop will be the cancellation of tens of millions of more policies that'll occur next year due to the delays that were put in for this year plus businesses renewing early in 2013 in order to retain their plans for one more year. You think this early round was bad PR, just wait. Then there's the adverse selection that's already occurring. The young and healthy aren't signing on, which means the premiums are going to go up. That or Obama will have to use the ACA's provisions to hand a ton of money over to the insurers to reimburse them for their losses.

But continue thinking happy thoughts, maybe you're way right and I'm way wrong, and Obamacare will be a triumph.


/CSB

I got a letter from NC BCBS the other day asking for payment so that the plan I picked from healthcare.gov can go in effect 1/1/14. I shopped for that and added it to my cart when the site was supposedly FUBAR beyond belief. I will be honest and tell you I am staying with my employer subsidized health plan because it is around $200/mo cheaper. But don't go getting cocky. A year and a half ago I was a contractor. When I was a contractor I had almost exactly the same plan and almost exactly the same price. They are not insanely expensive plans.

/endcsb
 
2013-12-07 07:45:25 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NO Single payer was never voted on. The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies. Your team sold you out. Plain and simple.


The whole car insurance thing was never voted on either, IIRC; or if it was, it wasn't passed by much. Lots of people, like myself, who don't get into accidents, would prefer not to have coverage, and for the same reasons you cite: Why am I forced to carry insurance because other douchebags like yourself insist on driving around getting into accidents and I have to pay for THEIR stupidity?

But that is the law. The law says if you drive, you WILL have insurance, at least a minimum liability insurance, or you WILL lose your license and you WILL be on the hook for any damage (up to treble damages in some states) if you cause an accident while driving without it--and if you flee an accident, you'll get nailed with criminal charges, too.

Not because anyone "wanted" to give insurance companies money; but because the skyrocketing costs of auto accidents during the time before such laws were passed meant that people increasingly DEMANDED such laws. And now it's the same: The skyrocketing costs of people not having health insurance means that society is forced to cover them through other means (taxation, mostly, to pay for ER and County care). Nobody "wants" to give insurance companies money, but the politicians fought single-payer coverage so hard, this was what we got instead.

You really don't get the idea of "compromise" do you? Or is it that "compromise" is such a dirty word to you, you don't understand why we wound up with ACA instead of what clearly would have been the better option? Hint: It's because a lot of people feel like you, and most of them are in Congress right now.
 
2013-12-07 07:49:05 PM  
What's this supposed to prove, other than college students are too busy to pay attention to political circlejerks?
 
2013-12-07 07:51:12 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: So if you could not have something good for the country......you got something bad for the country and now want me to be happy about your idiotic choice. No. Obama Care sucks. No lipstick can make this pig look good.


We wanted something good for the country - single payer.
We had the chance for something a little less good for the country but acceptable - a public option.
We got something that was flawed but an improvement for the country - the ACA
You want something that is BAD for the country - the old status quo, where people couldn't get insurance if they'd been sick before, died because they didn't have insurance, and went bankrupt if they DID have insurance that didn't cover their costs.

You're presenting it as "if you couldn't have what you want, you shouldn't have done anything".  Which is classical GOP reasoning.  We prefer "if we can't have what we want, we'll get what we CAN and iterate improvements".

Oh, yeah, and keep in mind that the ACA is a compromise with what the Republicans wanted.  The left wanted single-payer.  The Democrats mostly wanted a public option.  The Republicans wanted NOTHING, NO CHANGES, EVERYTHING IS PERFECT.  So this system is indeed the Republicans' fault, because they refused to accept anything better.
OK, so they refused to accept this system either, in hindsight we should have just done what we wanted in the end.  But lesson learned - don't negotiate in good faith with the Republican party, because they're not.
 
2013-12-07 07:58:56 PM  

Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: NO Single payer was never voted on. The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies. Your team sold you out. Plain and simple.

The whole car insurance thing was never voted on either, IIRC; or if it was, it wasn't passed by much. Lots of people, like myself, who don't get into accidents, would prefer not to have coverage, and for the same reasons you cite: Why am I forced to carry insurance because other douchebags like yourself insist on driving around getting into accidents and I have to pay for THEIR stupidity?

But that is the law. The law says if you drive, you WILL have insurance, at least a minimum liability insurance, or you WILL lose your license and you WILL be on the hook for any damage (up to treble damages in some states) if you cause an accident while driving without it--and if you flee an accident, you'll get nailed with criminal charges, too.

Not because anyone "wanted" to give insurance companies money; but because the skyrocketing costs of auto accidents during the time before such laws were passed meant that people increasingly DEMANDED such laws. And now it's the same: The skyrocketing costs of people not having health insurance means that society is forced to cover them through other means (taxation, mostly, to pay for ER and County care). Nobody "wants" to give insurance companies money, but the politicians fought single-payer coverage so hard, this was what we got instead.

You really don't get the idea of "compromise" do you? Or is it that "compromise" is such a dirty word to you, you don't understand why we wound up with ACA instead of what clearly would have been the better option? Hint: It's because a lot of people feel like you, and most of them are in Congress right now.


The car example is stupid.  You do not have to drive.  It is a choice.  Please stop using it.  you are better than that.
 
2013-12-07 08:04:22 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.


You started it.
 
2013-12-07 08:08:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.


Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?
 
2013-12-07 08:10:13 PM  

bizzwire: Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.

Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?


Themselves or their family or they die.  Unless someone makes a system that is unfair.
 
2013-12-07 08:18:25 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: Zeppelininthesky: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.

So, Single Payer? I agree!

Yep.  either in or out of the pool.  You stupid Democrat are wading.  wading is crap.

I think most Democrats are for single payer. It got shot down first thing because of Republican hatred.

NO  Single payer was never voted on.  The Democrat wanted to give money to the insurance companies.  Your team sold you out.  Plain and simple.

It was never voted on because it was never brought up because the GOP was dead set against the idea. Again, you let facts get in the way of your bias.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr676#summary

So i ...


The bill was submitted by the Democrats and not even voted on by the Republicans.

Your incorrect statements are still incorrect.
 
2013-12-07 08:28:17 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.

Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?

Themselves or their family or they die.  Unless someone makes a system that is unfair.


I'm beginning to suspect that you are arguing in bad faith, or are a particularly nasty piece of work. Some have suggested that you are merely trying to get a rise out of people. Why anyone would do this is beyond my comprehension, but I understand that such creatures exist. Sad, really.
 
2013-12-07 08:34:03 PM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.

Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?

Themselves or their family or they die.  Unless someone makes a system that is unfair.

I'm beginning to suspect that you are arguing in bad faith, or are a particularly nasty piece of work. Some have suggested that you are merely trying to get a rise out of people. Why anyone would do this is beyond my comprehension, but I understand that such creatures exist. Sad, really.


Why?  A fair system is you pay for yourself.  No other needs to support you, unless they choose to.  Family usually chooses to support people who do not support themselves.  Fools should pay for the bad choices they make.  Or do you believe that you should pay for my bad choices?  When the government forces me to pay for your stupidity how is that fair?  (it is stupid not to have heath insurance) If you are stupid you should pay for that stupidity.
 
2013-12-07 08:40:33 PM  

Rincewind53: cman: Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.

Really?

D.C. has  ten separate undergraduate universities, as well as more than a dozen post-graduate schools or other types of schools.  Howard is the only one of them other than UDC which has a majority black population.

When a segment producer wants to do a segment like this, they have to choose which school to go to. Howard is likely not the closest one, since I'd find it odd if PJTV has a studio over near it. GW or Georgetown were likely much closer, considering where most production studios in the city are (with the exception of BET which is in NE). Thus, they had to choose which of the 10 schools to go to.

I find it highly unlikely that they didn't choose Howard because it would falsely illustrate to their viewers how "Obama voters" (read: black people) are ignorant about the health care bill.


Everyone seems to believe that this subtle dog-whistle racism is confined to old farts, and thus will die off soon.

But these conservative "journalists" all seem to be white thirty-somethings.
 
2013-12-07 08:41:18 PM  
Got news for you. Hospitals already make you pay for other people's stupidity in the form of a surcharge added to your bill to pay for the uninsured. Ever been to the ER? Congratulations! You've been forced to pay for someone else. And yet, making these people pay for themselves is bad?

/rhetorical question is rhetorical.
 
2013-12-07 08:43:29 PM  
To trollmitter:
Technically, they're correct.  Obamacare IS free to everyone.  Just as the Civil Rights act is free to everyone.  See, you don't have to pay money to be protected/covered by each law.
 
2013-12-07 08:45:22 PM  

Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.


What difference does that make?
 
2013-12-07 08:48:23 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: To trollmitter:
Technically, they're correct.  Obamacare IS free to everyone.  Just as the Civil Rights act is free to everyone.  See, you don't have to pay money to be protected/covered by each law.


WOW!!!!  I thought I had skilz.  Folks this is textbook.  Get your notepads out and take notes.  This is 1st rate quality.
 
2013-12-07 08:51:19 PM  

sendtodave: Everyone seems to believe that this subtle dog-whistle racism is confined to old farts, and thus will die off soon.

But these conservative "journalists" all seem to be white thirty-somethings.


There's still a lot of racist young people, especially in the south.  Give it time, as the old farkers die the younger ones will be less likely to show their crackerism when tthey become even more outnumbered.
 
2013-12-07 08:55:38 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: sendtodave: Everyone seems to believe that this subtle dog-whistle racism is confined to old farts, and thus will die off soon.

But these conservative "journalists" all seem to be white thirty-somethings.

There's still a lot of racist young people, especially in the south.  Give it time, as the old farkers die the younger ones will be less likely to show their crackerism when tthey become even more outnumbered.


These media outlets will dry up?
 
2013-12-07 08:59:17 PM  

andersoncouncil42: This site is just precious.
Other headlines on the sidebar:

Rabid, topless feminists attack group of praying men protecting cathedral from vandalism.

and

White House changes story: Obama DID live with illegal alien Kenyan uncle before going to Harvard.


You do know that both of those stories happened didn't you?
 
2013-12-07 08:59:52 PM  

Mugato: sprgrss: Aren't college students by and large covered by their parents' insurance?

What he said. You're covered by your parents until age 25.


Only if your parents have insurance though. 

 Many do not.
 
2013-12-07 09:05:03 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.


Actually you don't have to have insurance for a car. You have to show that you can pay for the damages you do to other people before we'll let you drive. One way is to pool with other people and get insurance. You can also post a bond (at least in the states i've been in) that would cover the possible damages. Since it's a really big bond no one does that.

You have car insurance to pay for what you might do to other people. You have health insurance to pay for what might happen to you.

These are totally different.
 
2013-12-07 09:14:55 PM  

FloydA: bigsteve3OOO: FloydA: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.


Nobody needs health insurance until they get sick or injured.  If we let people buy health insurance after they get sick or injured and then drop it after they get well, the insurance companies will lose money.

Do you hate the free market?  Do you think that insurance companies should not be allowed to make money?  Because it sounds to me like you're advocating for socialism.

Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.


Prior to the ACA, freeloaders who refused to buy insurance just went to the ER when they got sick or injured and then when they couldn't or wouldn't pay, taxpayers like me had to foot the bill for them, as well as for myself through my insurance premiums.

Now, under the ACA, freeloaders can't do that anymore, and I only have to pay for myself.

So, once again, do you hate the free market?  Do you prefer socialism?  Because that is exactly what you are advocating.


You only have to pay for yourself... 

 Dude, risk pools do *not* work that way. 

 You're paying for everyone, including yourself. This is either going to cost you money, or save you money depending on the amount of medical services you use.
 
2013-12-07 09:15:20 PM  
Actually you don't have to have insurance for a car. You have to show that you can pay for the damages you do to other people before we'll let you drive. One way is to pool with other people and get insurance

Que?
 
2013-12-07 09:17:44 PM  
Once they see the prices of the plans I doubt that they will want to enroll.
 
2013-12-07 09:20:03 PM  
www.pjtv.com

Next Generation TV.  #1 Amongst War Criminals.
 
2013-12-07 09:20:40 PM  

rewind2846: bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.

I have a question for those people like yourself who have issues with the ACA... what exactly is your opposition to it?

Is it the fact that this is a law that has all of us as citizens actually do something good for ourselves and our nation (i.e "forced"), like seat belt laws, laws against murder and rape, or the constitution itself?

or

Are you concerned that you'll have to actually pay what health care insurance really costs without the luxury of pushing the costs for your care onto other people who had the foresight to go and buy real insurance?

or

Do you not realize that a healthy country is a strong and prosperous country?

or

Do you just not give a rolling rat sh*t about anyone but yourself?

or

Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

The last one is the most interesting, in that I have known white people who have actually said this, people who had no trouble with the white presidents before nor their wives (Betty says "get your boobies checked" - yay, Nancy says "Just say NO to drugs" - yay, Rosalynn says "help the mentally ill" - yay, Barbra says "Learn something" - yay, Laura says "Just read books" - yay, Michelle says "Eat healthier and get off your ass" - WHO THE F*CK IS THIS biatch!?!?)


I have an issue with being forced to pay someone money just to keep breathing. 

I also have an issue with the cost of medical care (which wasn't addressed in the bill). It is way too high for what you get.

/have always purchased my own health insurance and have never not been covered by it.
 
2013-12-07 09:22:07 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Why?  A fair system is you pay for yourself.  No other needs to support you, unless they choose to.  Family usually chooses to support people who do not support themselves.  Fools should pay for the bad choices they make.   Or do you believe that you should pay for my bad choices?  When the government forces me to pay for your stupidity how is that fair?  (it is stupid not to have heath insurance) If you are stupid you should pay for that stupidity.


We do pay for your stupid choices. Every time you vote.
 
2013-12-07 09:28:19 PM  
rewind2846:
Do you have issue with that "n****r in the white house telling you what to do"?

The last one is the most interesting


I don't think it's interesting at all for most people, and for you and your kind I would say it is more along the lines of an obsession rather than an interest.
 
2013-12-07 09:31:53 PM  

unyon: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dog Welder: Hey, did anyone happen to mention that most college students are likely covered on their parents' insurance plans and wouldn't actually need to sign up for Obamacare?

What happens when the Employer Mandate causes many of their parents to lose that coverage?

Then they sign up with one of the new ACA employee plans they're offered.  In the event that their employer is too small or too petty to bother with such a plan, then they access their federal or state exchange and get new coverage.  Based on their situation, they likely get a significant rebate.
 In either scenario, they're likely to get better insurance at a bettere pace as they were occurring before because of ACA cost controls. Any other questions?


Not really up on current events, are you?
 
2013-12-07 09:32:55 PM  

cuzsis: I have an issue with being forced to pay someone money just to keep breathing. 

That makes no sense.  You are forced to pay money, if you can and part of society.

I also have an issue with the cost of medical care (which wasn't addressed in the bill). It is way too high for what you get.

The bill was to expand coverage to the uninsured among other things.  If you want to bring medical care costs down, you need single-payer.
  
/have always purchased my own health insurance and have never not been covered by it.


That would make you pretty lucky now wouldn't it.
 
2013-12-07 09:38:43 PM  

Mugato: sprgrss: Aren't college students by and large covered by their parents' insurance?

What he said. You're covered by your parents until age 25.


If their parents have insurance, yes.   Of course if their parents are among the millions who have lost their affordable insurance thanks to the "Affordable" Care Act  that is not an option

 Kind of a screwed up situation isn't?  For the system to work young people have to buy insurance, but many of   those young people can be carried on their parent's insurance. But to enable the parent's to get affordable insurance young people have to buy their own insurance.
 
2013-12-07 09:43:50 PM  
Jick Jackson: and for you and your kind I would say it is more along the lines of an obsession rather than an interest.

If you mean by "my kind", "people who give a rat's ass abut how the morons of this country have made the race of this president a determining factor in whether the follow his suggestions/laws", then I'll be one of those "kinds".

This president has received more death threats than any other in modern history. He and his family have encountered more hate and vitriol than any in my memory (back over 40 years). And a fair portion of that bile has absolutely nothing to do with his policies, his proposals, his foreign policy, or his domestic policy.

As has been said time and again in this forum, it's because he is black.
So as me and my kind say... f*ck you. Obsess over that.
 
2013-12-07 09:52:39 PM  

cuzsis: have always purchased my own health insurance and have never not been covered by it.


Never is a long, long time. I suggest you rethink that word, because you will need health care... it's just a matter of when. And if/when you get something that according to page 41, paragraph 4, sub-paragraph C, section 2 of your "policy" says that "you're f*cked" because you didn't buy the insurance you should have because you were too goddamn cheap to do so, I truly hope that there is someone willing to foot the bill for you the way you're too selfish to do for anyone else but yourself.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. That's why the product is called INSURANCE. It's not for what you DO think might happen, it's for what you DON'T think might happen.
 
2013-12-07 10:03:03 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice.


Fantastic point. You don't have to drive, so you don't need to carry insurance against liabilities caused by driving at all times. Healthcare, on the other hand, especially since emergency rooms must stabilize you without regard for your ability to pay, can generate significant financial liability without your knowledge or consent. There is a way to opt out, though. Just remember, it's down the road, not across the street.
 
2013-12-07 10:07:27 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.

Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?

Themselves or their family or they die.  Unless someone makes a system that is unfair.

I'm beginning to suspect that you are arguing in bad faith, or are a particularly nasty piece of work. Some have suggested that you are merely trying to get a rise out of people. Why anyone would do this is beyond my comprehension, but I understand that such creatures exist. Sad, really.

Why?  A fair system is you pay for yourself.  No other needs to support you, unless they choose to.  Family usually chooses to support people who do not support themselves.  Fools should pay for the bad choices they make.  Or do you believe that you should pay for my bad choices?  When the government forces me to pay for your stupidity how is that fair?  (it is stupid not to have heath insurance) If you are stupid you should pay for that stupidity.


I encourage you to convince your Republican friends to scream from the mountaintops "THE POOR AND DUMB AND SICK SHOULD DIE!  THE POOR AND DUMB AND SICK SHOULD DIE!"  And then call yourself pro-life.
 
2013-12-07 10:50:56 PM  

rewind2846: ... f*ck you. Obsess over that.


fick? feck?  Hmm, I'm stumped.

You sound pretty tough though!

Where are you getting your data on presidential death threats over the last 40 years? Did you know that in modern history one of the presidents was actually killed? He was also the only Catholic president; by your standards does this not prove that he was killed because he was Catholic?  I found evidence (some suspect) of 10 death threats acknowledged by the White House or Secret Service against President Obama, and not a one of the offenders claimed that their motivation was race.  Yet you know that all of them actually were because of race.  How do you know this?

As has been said time and again in this forum, it's because he is black

Good one.  If it's on Fark, it has to be true.

Also, although I'm not particularly afraid of nor offended by your threat, I am not white; therefore: YOU BIG RACIST.
 
2013-12-07 11:03:03 PM  
rewind2846:

If you mean by "my kind", "people who give a rat's ass abut how the morons of this country have made the race of this president a determining factor in whether the follow his suggestions/laws", then I'll be one of those "kinds".


Also:  The president does not "have" any laws, at least not yet, so that's pretty much a moot point.  What "suggestions" are you talking about that are being disregarded en masse by all of the racists?  You know, the ones who don't disagree with him but just hate him because he's black.
 
2013-12-07 11:09:38 PM  

rewind2846: If you mean by "my kind", "people who give a rat's ass abut how the morons of this country have made the race of this president a determining factor in whether the follow his suggestions/laws", then I'll be one of those "kinds".

This president has received more death threats than any other in modern history. He and his family have encountered more hate and vitriol than any in my memory (back over 40 years). And a fair portion of that bile has absolutely nothing to do with his policies, his proposals, his foreign policy, or his domestic policy.

As has been said time and again in this forum, it's because he is black.
So as me and my kind say... f*ck you. Obsess over that.


False.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-service-threats-against-obama-no- hi gher-than-normal/
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2013/mar/18/julian-bond /n o-concrete-evidence-support-claim/
 
2013-12-07 11:11:12 PM  

Jick Jackson: Also, although I'm not particularly afraid of nor offended by your threat, I am not white; therefore: YOU BIG RACIST.


I wouldn't expect that from "your kind". Such emotions would require thought and reason, and enough working brain cells to form an answer to the question "what happens next?"


Good one.  If it's on Fark, it has to be true.

here
here
here
here
here
and here

One minute. Google. Try not to be stupid.


Where are you getting your data on presidential death threats over the last 40 years?

"Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service."
 
m00
2013-12-07 11:15:58 PM  
Every time I read an Obamacare thread, makes me wish that much harder that Obama wasn't a corporate shill so we could have socialized medicine.

/cue someone blaming Republicans
 
m00
2013-12-07 11:17:06 PM  

FloydA: Because it sounds to me like you're advocating for socialism.


What's wrong with socialism?
 
2013-12-07 11:21:46 PM  

Talondel: False.


True.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5967942/Barack -O bama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/25/1164628/--President-Barack- Ob ama-Is-the-Most-Threatened-President-In-History

http://pubrecord.org/multimedia/4273/during-sermon-arizona-pastor-te ll s/

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/president-obama-faces-increase- 40 0-deat

And as for anything from the Secret Service itself, you can rest assured that any "official" increase in threats will be downplayed until this president leaves office, for security reasons and the national interest. The people who want to kill this president do not need to know that they are overworking the Secret Service, and misinformation is the key to that end. Just like corporations bury and mislead the public with false information about their activities to keep their stock price up, so do government agencies tasked with the security of our nation's assets mislead those who wish to harm them.
 
2013-12-07 11:26:55 PM  

rewind2846: One minute. Google. Try not to be stupid.


You just cited as factual support the opinions of various blogs and tabloids, a Politico article that doesn't actually support you, and an article that from 2009 that was already debunked in this thread.  Good work.
 
2013-12-07 11:34:54 PM  

rewind2846: Jick Jackson: Also, although I'm not particularly afraid of nor offended by your threat, I am not white; therefore: YOU BIG RACIST.

I wouldn't expect that from "your kind".


Mixed race people? What's to expect? I don't follow.

here
here
here
here
here
and here

One minute. Google. Try not to be stupid.



Ha ha, OK.
 
2013-12-07 11:37:24 PM  

rewind2846: as for anything from the Secret Service itself, you can rest assured that any "official" increase in threats will be downplayed until this president leaves office, for security reasons and the national interest


I cite CBS News and Politifact, who debunk the 2009 story with actual reporting.  They note that all claims to that effect can be traced back to the 2009 claim by Ronald Kessler, who was trying to sell a book at the time.  At that his claim in contradicted by people within Secret Service (former employees, who would not be subject to any orders to disseminate misinformation, in case your given to conspiracy theories).

In return, you cite various blogs and tabloids that regurgitate Kessler's 2009 story and its "400%" claim without any support.  But according to you we shouldn't worry about the lack of support for that claim because the truth is being suppressed by the Secret Service.
 
2013-12-07 11:55:27 PM  

Talondel: At that his claim in contradicted by people within Secret Service (former employees, who would not be subject to any orders to disseminate misinformation, in case your given to conspiracy theories).


Things you do not do:
- Don't tell people where your nuclear subs are.
- Don't tell people where your aircraft carrier groups are going to be.
- Don't tell people how many guards are at the gates of your military bases.
- Don't tell people how much gold is in the vaults of Fort Knox.
- Don't give away any information relating to the security for the sitting president of the United States.

Think that last one over very carefully.

BTW, does the fact that a person wrote a book "horrors!" negate the truthfulness of his statements?
 
2013-12-08 12:04:12 AM  

rewind2846: Think that last one over very carefully.


Just so we're clear here: My evidence in support of the fact that there has not been an increase in threats is unreliable, because reliable sources would not discuss this.  But your sources that say there has been an increase are reliable, because. . . why exactly?

Neither of us is going to get a quote from the current director of the Secret Service, but in general I think it's safe to say that the sources I've cited, and the sources those articles quote (reputable news organizations and former Soc. Sec. agents), are more reliable than yours (blogs and one guy who wrote a book on the secret service in 2009 and cites no data to support his claim).  You're also the one making the extraordinary claim and who has the burden of proof, which I'm pretty sure you just admitted you can't meet.

Your entire argument is "People hate Obama because they're racist, and you can tell because he has more threats than any president in modern history, but I can't actually prove that because so one would ever confirm that, but please believe me even though I just admitted that there's no evidence to support my claim."
 
2013-12-08 12:05:49 AM  
rewind2846:

How can a black conservative can survive a day in the world?
 
2013-12-08 12:07:09 AM  

Jick Jackson: rewind2846:

How can a black conservative can survive a day in the world?


Oops didn't preview obviously.
 
2013-12-08 12:17:19 AM  

grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.

And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"


Well. Its like what? One time when you are fifty then every five years? Verses every day from twelve to forty five? I get the point dont have a problem but lets be real. Its not the same.
 
m00
2013-12-08 12:25:30 AM  

bizzwire: Got news for you. Hospitals already make you pay for other people's stupidity in the form of a surcharge added to your bill to pay for the uninsured. Ever been to the ER? Congratulations! You've been forced to pay for someone else. And yet, making these people pay for themselves is bad?


So taxing poor people is now a liberal plank? I guess conservatives have won.
 
x23
2013-12-08 12:29:33 AM  

DrPainMD: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 500x351]


sooo... like how insurance works in general?

i guess i fail to see your purportedly "clever" point.
 
2013-12-08 12:40:10 AM  

bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: Gyrfalcon: bigsteve3OOO: The car example is stupid. You do not have to drive. It is a choice. Please stop using it. you are better than that.

You started it.

Actually, I think I did. It's only stupid because it points out BigSteve's cherry-picked outrage, but I'm willing to let it go in favor of a simple question: if someone chooses not to purchase life insurance and needs medical care, who pays?

Themselves or their family or they die.  Unless someone makes a system that is unfair.

I'm beginning to suspect that you are arguing in bad faith, or are a particularly nasty piece of work. Some have suggested that you are merely trying to get a rise out of people. Why anyone would do this is beyond my comprehension, but I understand that such creatures exist. Sad, really.


He's a complete idiot. In the real world, the government pays for people who can't pay, of course; because we as an enlightened and compassionate civilization don't let people die in the street anymore just because they can't afford medical care. That means, of course, that all of us pay, because government funds come out of taxes. Some of it also comes out of your insurance premiums, since hospitals jack their rates to cover non-insured patients; unless you thought that a $8 bottle of Tylenol really costs a hospital $50.

The "Libertarians" would like it better if people either paid for themselves or died (preferably swiftly and silently and then buried themselves in an inconspicuous ditch), but thankfully we don't live in Rapture; we live in a country that is actually wealthy enough to pay for everyone, or would be if people would stop being so goddamn selfish all the time.
 
m00
2013-12-08 12:47:23 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The "Libertarians" would like it better if people either paid for themselves or died (preferably swiftly and silently and then buried themselves in an inconspicuous ditch)

...

Is your source for this other non-Libertarians who happen to dislike Libertarians? I don't mean to pick on you, but I get annoyed when Conservatives say "Liberals would like it if X" and when Liberals say "Conservatives would like it if X" when X is some completely outrageous thing that happens to bolster the ad hominem the poster is currently making.
 
2013-12-08 01:10:54 AM  
I used to think college students were smart until I met some.
 
2013-12-08 01:12:24 AM  

Di Atribe: You don't sign up for Obamacare. You shop for affordable health care under the new PPACA law that says the insurance companies can't be dicks to you any more.


Unless your income is within 138% of the poverty line (and Howard is pretty aggressive about giving scholarships the people who might not be able to afford college). In that case, Obamacare expands Medicaid, and it is free. They do need to enroll (sign up). And this is a very good thing - if you're too poor to afford healthcare, you should still have healthcare. It's in all our best interests to stop making people wait until they are so sick that the emergency room becomes their first medical intervention.
 
2013-12-08 01:33:11 AM  

m00: Gyrfalcon: The "Libertarians" would like it better if people either paid for themselves or died (preferably swiftly and silently and then buried themselves in an inconspicuous ditch)...

Is your source for this other non-Libertarians who happen to dislike Libertarians? I don't mean to pick on you, but I get annoyed when Conservatives say "Liberals would like it if X" and when Liberals say "Conservatives would like it if X" when X is some completely outrageous thing that happens to bolster the ad hominem the poster is currently making.


People do die from lack of healthcare, and libertarians are fundamentally opposed to changing that, so yes Gyrfalcon is correct.
 
m00
2013-12-08 01:56:02 AM  

evil saltine: People do die from lack of healthcare, and libertarians are fundamentally opposed to changing that, so yes Gyrfalcon is correct.


"People die from a lack of self-defense, and liberals are fundamentally opposed to self-defense, so therefore 'liberals' would like it better if people died"

See how that works?
 
2013-12-08 02:16:52 AM  

evil saltine: m00: Gyrfalcon: The "Libertarians" would like it better if people either paid for themselves or died (preferably swiftly and silently and then buried themselves in an inconspicuous ditch)...

Is your source for this other non-Libertarians who happen to dislike Libertarians? I don't mean to pick on you, but I get annoyed when Conservatives say "Liberals would like it if X" and when Liberals say "Conservatives would like it if X" when X is some completely outrageous thing that happens to bolster the ad hominem the poster is currently making.

People do die from lack of healthcare, and libertarians are fundamentally opposed to changing that, so yes Gyrfalcon is correct.


That statement is about as accurate as accusations that Democrats favor death panels (i.e. It isn't).  But it is certainly easier to create and attack a straw man than to engage in any actual research or discourse.

If you want to know what libertarians think, you could try asking an actual libertarian.  Or you could use google for a bit.  Most plans I've seen from libertarians involve decoupling insurance from employment, replacing the employer tax breaks with tax breaks for individuals, expanding the role of HSAs, providing universal (or near universal) major medical coverage with a high deductible (aka catastophic insurance) through a system of tax incentives, tax penalties, and subsidies, (similar to the ACA, but only for major medical care), allowing plans to be sold across state lines, ensuring individual ownership of plans, and creating some form of guaranteed renewal (as opposed to the guaranteed issue of the ACA).

Here is one broad outline from CATO that is similar to what I have described, but there are others:

The most effective plan for most people to cover health care costs probably would include the following elements:
(A) A major medical insurance policy for catastrophic expenses
(B) A high deductible to minimize insurance premiums
(C) A tax-advantaged health savings account built up with regular contributions to cover medical expenses below the deductible
(D) A guaranteed-renewable (sometimes referred to as non-cancellable) feature that means the insurer will continue covering a policyholder regardless of medical conditions, as long as premiums are paid on time
(E) A health-status feature to protect against the risk that future premiums might rise significantly if a policyholder develops medical conditions involving higher medical expenses
Health-status insurance is a relatively new idea, and the best explanation of it is by John H. Cochrane, a finance professor at the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business, a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.
(F) All insurance policies should be owned by the insured, not their employers or anyone else. This means wherever one might move, the insurance policies will follow. Similarly, divorce won't result in the loss of health insurance.
(G) Each health insurance owner should receive a standard deduction for health insurance premiums on his or her federal income tax return.


Why only a mandate/incentive for major medical and emergency care? Because that's the biggest area covered by health insurance that fits the economic definition of a "public good" insofar as it's non-excludable (modern society will not tolerate people dying outside a hospital simply because they cannot pay) and non-rival (the U.S. at least has the ability to provide as much major medical care as is needed).  The rest of the system (preventative care, routine doctor visits, etc) aren't public goods and there's no reason to think that market forces won't work there.
 
2013-12-08 02:20:58 AM  

sammyk: Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards


There were actually students that mentioned this in the video (and bad subby for linking to a site with an autoplay video), which is actually part of the Affordable Care Act.  I think it used to be generally 19 if you did not go to college or 23 if you were a college student unless you were considered disabled to the point that you couldn't take care of yourself.
 
m00
2013-12-08 02:40:33 AM  

Talondel: Why only a mandate/incentive for major medical and emergency care? Because that's the biggest area covered by health insurance that fits the economic definition of a "public good" insofar as it's non-excludable (modern society will not tolerate people dying outside a hospital simply because they cannot pay) and non-rival (the U.S. at least has the ability to provide as much major medical care as is needed). The rest of the system (preventative care, routine doctor visits, etc) aren't public goods and there's no reason to think that market forces won't work there.


Yep, this is actually pretty close to what I advocate (except I'd just go ahead and socialize it). Just have a socialized system for major medical / emergency care. Done. Leave everything else the way it is (pre-ACA).

The problem was that people were getting screwed because they got cancer, and their health insurance tried to be like "oh... well... you didn't report that you had an ingrown toenail when you were four years old. Since you failed to declare pre-existing conditions, we can drop your coverage. ha-ha!"

The strategy of insurance companies is deny coverage, litigate / delay, and hope you die before your court date. This becomes a vicious circle, because courts are supposed to be the remedy in contract law, but most contract law doesn't have you dying as an outcome of procedural delays.

So I would say the only sensible thing to do is socialize it. Or you have a fund to cover people's treatment while their cases against the insurance company are in litigation which is paid for out of punitive damages, but at that point you might as well just socialize it because to set this up you admit that insurance companies aren't the right vehicle for covering catastrophic illness.

Oh, wait. I forgot. Evil-saltine and Gyrfalcon have proof that Libertarians want to see people die, so I better change my opinion to fit their narrow-minded strawmen :D
 
2013-12-08 02:45:00 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: bizzwire: bigsteve3OOO: NO! STUPID!! young healthy people who do not need health care at all and are least able to pay are the ones funding this stupidity.  Men must fund women's health.  Young fund the elderly.  welcome to what you idiots voted for.

OK. Let's say you buy a car. Of course, you buy the mandatory Insurance, in case you cause damage to someone else or their property. You make your first payment of, say, $400. Your first day, your driving when your cell phone rings and, distracted, you plow into a parked car, causing $2,000 of damage. Which your insurance covers.

Do you really think that the insurance company used your payments to cover the claim? Do you think they paid for it with their own money? OTHER PEOPLE PAID FOR IT. This is how insurance has worked for centuries. Everybody seems to understand this except for you.

Exactly.  The government has no right to make you purchase a fiduciary instrument from a private business.  You want the government to provide health care ....FINE....why did you make them provide insurance companies a boon?  Why not pass a constitutional amendment?  Here I'll write it.  The government shall provide all citizens quality health care at no cost.

What you fools did was take choice away from people and make insurance companies rich.  Nice one Libs. Idiots.


The Individual Mandate was a Republican idea in the first place.  It was the Republican's alternative to the Clinton plan in the 90s, and was the Heritage Foundation's idea sometime in the 1980s.
 
2013-12-08 03:09:52 AM  
Another fail-ass joke article from another birdcage liner right wing blog.
It's not  information - it's Farkkk.com!
 
2013-12-08 03:11:09 AM  

m00: Gyrfalcon: The "Libertarians" would like it better if people either paid for themselves or died (preferably swiftly and silently and then buried themselves in an inconspicuous ditch)...

Is your source for this other non-Libertarians who happen to dislike Libertarians? I don't mean to pick on you, but I get annoyed when Conservatives say "Liberals would like it if X" and when Liberals say "Conservatives would like it if X" when X is some completely outrageous thing that happens to bolster the ad hominem the poster is currently making.


No no, I was referring to "Libertarians" (hence the quotation marks)--those idiots who frequent Fark and other forums and pretend they are Libertarians and Randites but really have no idea what they are talking about. Actually, my best friend is a Libertarian and he does NOT want people to die if they can't afford health care--but some fools even right here on Fark think they are "Libertarians" and seem to think that's a tenet of Libertarianism.

There are "Libertarians" and Libertarians, just like there are "Liberals" and Liberals, you know, and "Conservatives" and Conservatives. There are even "Republicans" and Republicans, although the latter are getting pretty thin on the ground.
 
2013-12-08 03:55:05 AM  

jso2897: Another fail-ass joke article from another birdcage liner right wing blog.
It's not  information - it's Farkkk.com!

 
2013-12-08 07:43:25 AM  

jjorsett: sammyk: Wouldn't the typical college student be on their parents plan until they are 26 or get their own damn job? If that's not the case because your parents are dead, strung out on meth or whatever you are probably going to get the subsidies that make it free.

Now that the website issues are getting resolved the right is getting really desperate for talking points. I don't think this is going to be the midterm election issue they were hoping for. In fact any political capitol they may have gained in the last month or 2 is going to get thrown away next month when they shut the government down again.

Please proceed teatards

Keep whistling past the graveyard. The website continues to be a mess. Just how big a one is tough to quantify because the administration can't or won't release useful data like how many people have actually managed to get insured, which requires making the first payment. The really big shoe to drop will be the cancellation of tens of millions of more policies that'll occur next year due to the delays that were put in for this year plus businesses renewing early in 2013 in order to retain their plans for one more year. You think this early round was bad PR, just wait. Then there's the adverse selection that's already occurring. The young and healthy aren't signing on, which means the premiums are going to go up. That or Obama will have to use the ACA's provisions to hand a ton of money over to the insurers to reimburse them for their losses.

But continue thinking happy thoughts, maybe you're way right and I'm way wrong, and Obamacare will be a triumph.


"The surge worked!  The surge worked!  The surge worked!"

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2013-12-08 10:05:23 AM  

m00: bizzwire: Got news for you. Hospitals already make you pay for other people's stupidity in the form of a surcharge added to your bill to pay for the uninsured. Ever been to the ER? Congratulations! You've been forced to pay for someone else. And yet, making these people pay for themselves is bad?

So taxing poor people is now a liberal plank? I guess conservatives have won.


So, being responsible for yourself and paying your fair share is now a liberal plank? I guess the conservatives have won.
 
2013-12-08 10:43:16 AM  
Compared to the price the bank owned Insurance Companies would charge if they had their way, ObamaCare is practically Free.


Trumped in one sentence.  what can i say.
 
2013-12-08 10:44:33 AM  

Mugato: sprgrss: Aren't college students by and large covered by their parents' insurance?

What he said. You're covered by your parents until age 25.



in fact, you are covered by the Republican Party until you are born.  after birth,  they don't know you any more.
 
2013-12-08 10:47:00 AM  

m00: FloydA: Because it sounds to me like you're advocating for socialism.

What's wrong with socialism?


I personally think we need more of it, but bigsteve3000 probably doesn't realize that this is what he is advocating.
 
m00
2013-12-08 10:53:58 AM  

Gyrfalcon: There are "Libertarians" and Libertarians, just like there are "Liberals" and Liberals, you know, and "Conservatives" and Conservatives. There are even "Republicans" and Republicans, although the latter are getting pretty thin on the ground.


my apologizes sir!
 
m00
2013-12-08 10:56:28 AM  

bizzwire: So, being responsible for yourself and paying your fair share is now a liberal plank? I guess the conservatives have won.


It's not about paying your fair share. It never was. Because you see, we have a mechanism for paying one's fair share -- it's called taxes. As long as we aren't taxed so that government can provide a service, we are at the mercy of corporations. The free market is wonderful for a lot of things, but protecting your life isn't one of them.
 
2013-12-08 11:15:04 AM  

m00: bizzwire: So, being responsible for yourself and paying your fair share is now a liberal plank? I guess the conservatives have won.

It's not about paying your fair share. It never was. Because you see, we have a mechanism for paying one's fair share -- it's called taxes. As long as we aren't taxed so that government can provide a service, we are at the mercy of corporations. The free market is wonderful for a lot of things, but protecting your life isn't one of them.


Okay, I'm lost here...are we in agreement, or did one of us get whooshed?
 
m00
2013-12-08 11:37:08 AM  

bizzwire: Okay, I'm lost here...are we in agreement, or did one of us get whooshed?


Not sure :D

All I was saying is that when I hear self-professed liberals defending the ACA on the grounds that basically sick people are scamming the system by going to emergency rooms for "free care," then the corporations-are-people crowd have won.

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2013-12-08 11:48:39 AM  
Young people don't need health care insurance, they already have access to free clinics!
 
2013-12-08 11:52:29 AM  

m00: bizzwire: Okay, I'm lost here...are we in agreement, or did one of us get whooshed?

Not sure :D

All I was saying is that when I hear self-professed liberals defending the ACA on the grounds that basically sick people are scamming the system by going to emergency rooms for "free care," then the corporations-are-people crowd have won.


That wasn't what I said....or meant, although I can understand why you might think so. I was trying to point out the hypocrisy of the party of personal responsibility, and point out that they are getting screwed by the current system (and loving it, apparently).
 
m00
2013-12-08 11:57:43 AM  

bizzwire: That wasn't what I said....or meant, although I can understand why you might think so. I was trying to point out the hypocrisy of the party of personal responsibility, and point out that they are getting screwed by the current system (and loving it, apparently


I guess I just don't see people who get cancer as generally responsible for that. You could say they're not responsible for having health insurance but...

1) health insurance will drop you on a dime, and do everything they can to get out of coverage when you get sick
2) it's completely not affordable unless you get it through your employer
3) if your choices are eating and paying rent, or having health insurance, you're going to go with the eating and paying rent

This isn't a matter of personal responsibility in my mind.
 
2013-12-08 12:45:40 PM  

Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.

And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"

Well. Its like what? One time when you are fifty then every five years? Verses every day from twelve to forty five? I get the point dont have a problem but lets be real. Its not the same.


Yay technicalities!  Never mind that BC is extremely cheap. If I remember right, my ex paid something like $15 a month.

Now change "prostate exams" to "prostate cancer."
 
2013-12-08 01:11:53 PM  

Nemo's Brother: cman: Rincewind53: Wow.  Out of all the universities in DC that they went to try this stunt, they went to Howard, the historically black college.

Gee, I wonder why?

Are you saying black people are dumb? White people can't be morons, too?

Listen, I know the point you were making. I understand it. But Jesus, dude, stop seeing boogeymen everywhere.

It's the subtle racism of Neo Liberals. They believe anyone of minority status needs to be given a helmet and knee pads.


No, just for those of you who are obviously fully retarded.  It's because we care.
 
2013-12-08 01:35:43 PM  

BMulligan: bigsteve3OOO: Its not free if you are forced by law to participate.

The law requires me to wear clothing when I leave the house. Utter tyranny. I blame 0bama.


Ummm no.  You're just conforming to societal norms instilled upon our species since that myth in the Book of Genesis.  Secular laws have adapted to such myth.
 
2013-12-08 02:20:47 PM  

grumpfuff: Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.

And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"

Well. Its like what? One time when you are fifty then every five years? Verses every day from twelve to forty five? I get the point dont have a problem but lets be real. Its not the same.

Yay technicalities!  Never mind that BC is extremely cheap. If I remember right, my ex paid something like $15 a month.

Now change "prostate exams" to "prostate cancer."


Exam= finger. Cost=one rubber glove.
Now add cervical cancer.
Argument fail.
 
2013-12-08 02:28:26 PM  

Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.

And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"

Well. Its like what? One time when you are fifty then every five years? Verses every day from twelve to forty five? I get the point dont have a problem but lets be real. Its not the same.

Yay technicalities!  Never mind that BC is extremely cheap. If I remember right, my ex paid something like $15 a month.

Now change "prostate exams" to "prostate cancer."

Exam= finger. Cost=one rubber glove.
Now add cervical cancer.
Argument fail.


Considering it has nothing to do with my original point, and my original point was a statement, not an argument, congrats on knocking that straw man outta the park.
 
2013-12-08 03:00:56 PM  

Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.

And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"

Well. Its like what? One time when you are fifty then every five years? Verses every day from twelve to forty five? I get the point dont have a problem but lets be real. Its not the same.

Yay technicalities!  Never mind that BC is extremely cheap. If I remember right, my ex paid something like $15 a month.

Now change "prostate exams" to "prostate cancer."

Exam= finger. Cost=one rubber glove.
Now add cervical cancer.
Argument fail.


Also add in "annuals" for 50 years.
 
2013-12-08 03:03:53 PM  

grumpfuff: Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.

And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"

Well. Its like what? One time when you are fifty then every five years? Verses every day from twelve to forty five? I get the point dont have a problem but lets be real. Its not the same.

Yay technicalities!  Never mind that BC is extremely cheap. If I remember right, my ex paid something like $15 a month.

Now change "prostate exams" to "prostate cancer."

Exam= finger. Cost=one rubber glove.
Now add cervical cancer.
Argument fail.

Considering it has nothing to do with my original point, and my original point was a statement, not an argument, congrats on knocking that straw man outta the park.


Seems about right. Make indefensible false equivalence then make another when called on it. Good for you! Keep farking that chicken!
 
2013-12-08 05:29:38 PM  

Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: Por que tan serioso: grumpfuff: bigsteve3OOO: Men must fund women's health.

And women must fund men's. That's how risk pools work.

Funny that. Of all the people complaining, it's always "I have to pay for a woman's BC!"

It's never "A woman has to pay for my prostate exams!"

Well. Its like what? One time when you are fifty then every five years? Verses every day from twelve to forty five? I get the point dont have a problem but lets be real. Its not the same.

Yay technicalities!  Never mind that BC is extremely cheap. If I remember right, my ex paid something like $15 a month.

Now change "prostate exams" to "prostate cancer."

Exam= finger. Cost=one rubber glove.
Now add cervical cancer.
Argument fail.

Considering it has nothing to do with my original point, and my original point was a statement, not an argument, congrats on knocking that straw man outta the park.

Seems about right. Make indefensible false equivalence then make another when called on it. Good for you! Keep farking that chicken!


And you keep on with your poutrage because you don't understand how risk pools work. Have a nice day.
 
2013-12-08 05:45:24 PM  
If your parents are rich enough that you're going to college (either covering some of your tuition, or just getting you into good enough schools) you're probably insured through them.  And many universities offer their own health care plans for those whose parents aren't.  If neither applies, there's a good chance you're poor enough for medicaid.

There are very few college students who need to purchase health insurance on the exchanges.  No shiat no one's signing up.
 
2013-12-08 06:21:34 PM  
Yeah, no. Working towards a degree does not make you any more intelligent or well-informed about current events.

People have this romanticized view of universities as a place where geniuses gather and it's almost never the case.
 
2013-12-08 06:38:44 PM  

Por que tan serioso: Exam= finger. Cost=one rubber glove.
Now add cervical cancer.
Argument fail.


Point at specific cancers all you want, but the simple fact is that female life expectancy is about 5 years longer than male life expectancy.  Men die earlier from all sorts of causes, and suffer disproportionately from many conditions such as schizophrenia.

It is hypothesized that this happens because having two X chromosomes helps to correct for any abnormalities or deficiencies in one.
 
m00
2013-12-08 11:16:42 PM  

Xcott: It is hypothesized that this happens because having two X chromosomes helps to correct for any abnormalities or deficiencies in one.


Also, grandmothers are much more important to the survival of a tribe than grandfathers.
 
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