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(South Coast Today)   Somebody in New Bedford, Mass. had an affair with a traffic sign salesman   (southcoasttoday.com) divider line 50
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2013-12-07 03:51:29 PM
Or perhaps they're following farking state law

http://www.mhd.state.ma.us/safetytoolbox/downloads/Crosswalks.pdf
 
2013-12-07 04:04:48 PM
Pedestrian rights in MA are downright ridiculous. I had never seen an intersection where all cars stopped while pedestrians crossed all streets, even some diagonally through the middle of the intersection.
 
2013-12-07 04:07:57 PM
We had the same thing happen with bicycle lane signs along one street in our city last spring. Of course we do have two city council members who are well-known members of the spandex cavalry, so it wasn't hard to figure out what happened.
 
2013-12-07 04:17:01 PM

jaylectricity: Pedestrian rights in MA are downright ridiculous. I had never seen an intersection where all cars stopped while pedestrians crossed all streets, even some diagonally through the middle of the intersection.


You must be one of those drivers that never stops. I'm one of those crossers that nearly gets hit.
 
2013-12-07 04:24:30 PM
I prefer Makkinga's approach...

www.marijnissen-advies.nl

Hint: "verkeersbordvrif" means "free of traffic signs".
 
2013-12-07 04:27:01 PM
It's your tax dollars at work, citizen.  Why do you ask?

Isn't this a form of visual pollution?
 
2013-12-07 04:31:38 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Or perhaps they're following farking state law

http://www.mhd.state.ma.us/safetytoolbox/downloads/Crosswalks.pdf


Remember, it doesn't exist until the media "discovers" it.

/ Romeroism
 
2013-12-07 04:45:25 PM
just think of how fast you can go through town without stop signs!!!
 
2013-12-07 04:50:51 PM

jaylectricity: Pedestrian rights in MA are downright ridiculous. I had never seen an intersection where all cars stopped while pedestrians crossed all streets, even some diagonally through the middle of the intersection.


When I was growing up in Rockford IL, they had what I believe was called Beeble's cross lights (I could be very wrong on the name). Basically all of the north-south traffic would go with no pedestrian crossing, then the east-west, and then all vehicle traffic was stopped for pedestrian traffic in all directions. Rinse and Repeat. (Mid-1970s)
 
2013-12-07 04:55:02 PM

Stone Meadow: I prefer Makkinga's approach...



Hint: "verkeersbordvrif" means "free of traffic signs".


This is a good idea. Many of those towns also have no sidewalk - everyone is expected to share the street. A similar situation exists in Japan where extremely old and narrow streets are common.

The problem seems to originate in that this is ostensibly a "highway" when really it's a small town Main Street with heavy pedestrian traffic. This type of area is nearly ideal for everyday living ON FOOT and so pops up in every place built before cars were the norm.

The DOT guy's suggestion that they take out crosswalks is the epitome of backasswards, stupid, car centric thought that turns places from walkable, vibrant areas into shiatty strip malls.
 
2013-12-07 04:57:00 PM
Or maybe somebody had an affair with a traffic sign.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-07 04:57:54 PM
No one will pay attention to them...
 
2013-12-07 04:59:19 PM
The crosswalk ahead sign make me LOL.

spatula-city.org
 
2013-12-07 05:03:27 PM
Narnboy:When I was growing up in Rockford IL, they had what I believe was called Beeble's cross lights (I could be very wrong on the name). Basically all of the north-south traffic would go with no pedestrian crossing, then the east-west, and then all vehicle traffic was stopped for pedestrian traffic in all directions. Rinse and Repeat. (Mid-1970s)

I think you're describing what is now called a "pedestrian scramble".
 
2013-12-07 05:06:47 PM

im14u2c: The crosswalk ahead sign make me LOL.

[spatula-city.org image 570x292]


And of course the pedestrian in the foreground of the pic cant be bothered to actually use a crosswalk anyway.
 
2013-12-07 05:08:05 PM
Oh, and it's Neu Beige...

Eh Pa!
 
2013-12-07 05:12:51 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Or perhaps they're following farking state law

http://www.mhd.state.ma.us/safetytoolbox/downloads/Crosswalks.pdf


We had something like that happen in MI, because the DPW was following protocol after a road was repaired.  A week later half the signs were taken back down.
 
2013-12-07 05:13:26 PM

WelldeadLink: Narnboy:When I was growing up in Rockford IL, they had what I believe was called Beeble's cross lights (I could be very wrong on the name). Basically all of the north-south traffic would go with no pedestrian crossing, then the east-west, and then all vehicle traffic was stopped for pedestrian traffic in all directions. Rinse and Repeat. (Mid-1970s)

I think you're describing what is now called a "pedestrian scramble".


Thanks for the link. It corrected my name for it (and my memory, come to think of it) as Barnes Dance.


/Not surprised I was wrong. I was early teens back then, and didn't care to memorize that bit of trivia.
 
2013-12-07 05:16:02 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Or perhaps they're following farking state law

http://www.mhd.state.ma.us/safetytoolbox/downloads/Crosswalks.pdf


That link doesn't say whether every street corner has to have a pedestrian crossing warning sign. If they do, because they're everywhere they'll become part of the landscape and get ignored. That's the lesson of California's Proposition 65, which requires warning signs for any building where "hazardous chemicals" might be. Rather than take a chance of accidentally missing something and getting sued, everybody just puts up a damned warning sign, right next to "Entrance". Consequently, nobody pays them any attention now; if you tried to avoid those buildings, you'd be hard pressed to find anything other than personal residences to enter.
 
2013-12-07 05:17:56 PM

TomD9938: And of course the pedestrian in the foreground of the pic cant be bothered to actually use a crosswalk anyway.


Actually, since we can't see their feet, it's hard to tell for sure.  But if they weren't in a crosswalk, that would be a shade spatula-city.org.
 
2013-12-07 05:35:44 PM
No, Massachusetts drivers just suck. Have a stop sign near me that most drivers ignore (it's on a right turn but at a pedestrian cross walk). Some day out of fustration of almost being hit so many times at that crosswalk I may lay out spike strips.
 
2013-12-07 05:37:36 PM
I agree that having that many signs just leads to the mind tuning them out.

Personally, I think the "crosswalk here ↘" signs are almost worthless.  If you really want to promote crosswalk safety, embed lights in the roadway at each crosswalk and put a "push to cross" post on each corner.  They're cheaper than traditional overhead lights and aren't as ugly.  Also in most states, they're treated as a caution/yield as opposed to a red stop, so once the pedestrian has crossed, traffic can start up again instead of waiting while the timer on the red light counts down.
 
2013-12-07 05:53:18 PM
Don't stop for me. I'm from Massachusetts?
 
2013-12-07 06:05:06 PM
Dinjiin

Personally, I think the "crosswalk here ↘" signs are almost worthless.

Moreso when they're camouflaged. Here's one near me, put in in '09.

home.earthlink.net

See the crosswalk? See the sign?
 
2013-12-07 06:11:31 PM

Larva Lump: See the crosswalk? See the sign?


Yup.  And at night, the chances of seeing it are even less.

Meanwhile, a city near where I used to live installed something like this:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAmsE5leJQc

Your eyes really pick up on the irregular flashing interval.
 
2013-12-07 06:14:46 PM
img.fark.net

Wow. 3 whole visits, huh? Way to make a guy feel welcome, to encourage him to want to come back and pay for access to your site.
 
2013-12-07 06:17:19 PM
Just remember, in MA, the only traffic laws are Newton's
 
2013-12-07 06:40:34 PM
I'm sure using a long lens to take the picture was just a coincidence and not actually a way to try to make it look like the signs were everywhere.
 
2013-12-07 06:44:30 PM
These signs are much more entertaining
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-07 06:46:07 PM
Signage is so political...

Folks live between two identical bridges, one bridge is marked 'one way' because the individual on the OTHER side of the bridge, didn't want cars passing both directions in front of their house and happened to be friends with the city manager.  Bridge got repaired, new signs went up -including the One Way and Do Not Enter signage, and now my folks have to take 'the long way' to cross an identical bridge.

/cops still go both ways
//my folks still go both ways, because the other way is 50yds - the long is much, much longer
///folks looked into it, and were told that IDOT demanded the change, when contacted IDOT was in disbelief that the city had created a One Way
////City Engineer said 'fark you, you can't prove it' and the signs remain
//IL = Corruption
 
2013-12-07 06:47:02 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: jaylectricity: Pedestrian rights in MA are downright ridiculous. I had never seen an intersection where all cars stopped while pedestrians crossed all streets, even some diagonally through the middle of the intersection.

You must be one of those drivers that never stops. I'm one of those crossers that nearly gets hit.


Yeah, he's probably the driver in the video in the bottom of TFA - just rolls right through all three stop signs. Asshole.
 
2013-12-07 06:47:30 PM
Dinjiin

Larva Lump: See the crosswalk? See the sign?

Yup. And at night, the chances of seeing it are even less.


I forgot to add: Now we know what the kid who beat two trees is doing for a living.
 
2013-12-07 06:49:23 PM
Of all the things my home town could have been ridiculed about on Fark, I'm glad this wasn't that bad.
 
2013-12-07 06:50:18 PM
The camera angle really exaggerates the situation. That stop sign is 250 yards from the "Children" sign.
 
2013-12-07 06:54:25 PM
whistleridge

Wow. 3 whole visits, huh? Way to make a guy feel welcome, to encourage him to want to come back and pay for access to your site.

Don't you just love the tease glimpse of the page before they throw up the 'must have JavaScript enabled' face-slap? It's so endearing.

// Sub-Standard-Times, indeed.
 
2013-12-07 07:39:03 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: jaylectricity: Pedestrian rights in MA are downright ridiculous. I had never seen an intersection where all cars stopped while pedestrians crossed all streets, even some diagonally through the middle of the intersection.

You must be one of those drivers that never stops. I'm one of those crossers that nearly gets hit.


You must be one of those people with a wild imagination. Do you have any books I can borrow from the library?
 
2013-12-07 07:55:32 PM

whistleridge: [img.fark.net image 393x368]

Wow. 3 whole visits, huh? Way to make a guy feel welcome, to encourage him to want to come back and pay for access to your site.


As it's one of my two home newspapers, somehow I've never actually been locked out of it.  I mean, I don't go to it as much because the Standard-Times sucks, but still.

\not that the Herald News is any better, but it's my "true" hometown paper
\\
 
2013-12-07 08:23:27 PM
And nice seeing all the South Coast farkers on here....
 
2013-12-07 09:11:28 PM

skinink: No, Massachusetts drivers just suck. Have a stop sign near me that most drivers ignore (it's on a right turn but at a pedestrian cross walk). Some day out of fustration of almost being hit so many times at that crosswalk I may lay out spike strips.


Pfft. I have two left turn only lanes that traffic just goes straight through.

A neighbor was asking me about the signs on 128 that say "stay right except when passing". He says "that's a law?".
 
2013-12-07 11:11:32 PM
New Beffid is the armpit of Mass.   Seriously.  Smellwise and mapwise.

-used to live on Ashley Blvd, in 96-97
 
2013-12-07 11:21:55 PM

im14u2c: TomD9938: And of course the pedestrian in the foreground of the pic cant be bothered to actually use a crosswalk anyway.

Actually, since we can't see their feet, it's hard to tell for sure.  But if they weren't in a crosswalk, that would be a shade [spatula-city.org image 54x11].


If you watch the video at the end of the article you can deduce that the pedestrian is not in a crosswalk.
 
2013-12-07 11:27:23 PM

jaylectricity: Because People in power are Stupid: jaylectricity: Pedestrian rights in MA are downright ridiculous. I had never seen an intersection where all cars stopped while pedestrians crossed all streets, even some diagonally through the middle of the intersection.

You must be one of those drivers that never stops. I'm one of those crossers that nearly gets hit.

You must be one of those people with a wild imagination. Do you have any books I can borrow from the library?


Pedestrian rights are there for a reason.

http://www.newbedford-ma.gov/Police/PedestrianSafety.html

Each year, for the past five years, motor vehicles in Massachusetts have hit more than 10,000 pedestrians. Many have been permanently disabled from their injuries.

As far as the books/library thing, I recommend "The Gas" by Platt.
 
2013-12-07 11:54:00 PM

jjorsett: That's the lesson of California's Proposition 65, which requires warning signs for any building where "hazardous chemicals" might be.


it has spilled over to products sold out of state too. i live in LA and work just below the cancer corridor*. and yet damn near everything i buy for work seems to have a " warning: according to CA prop 65 this product contains chemicals known to the state etc etc" you know the warning. many of these products would have to be ground or burned to release the "offending" chemical. something that will never happen in real life.

*the cancer corridor is the strip of petroleum companies below baton rouge that use the mississippi river as a dumping ground for their god knows what effluent. cancer rates are way above the norm in that area.
 
2013-12-08 09:48:10 AM

SmithHiller: im14u2c: TomD9938: And of course the pedestrian in the foreground of the pic cant be bothered to actually use a crosswalk anyway.

Actually, since we can't see their feet, it's hard to tell for sure.  But if they weren't in a crosswalk, that would be a shade [spatula-city.org image 54x11].

If you watch the video at the end of the article you can deduce that the pedestrian is not in a crosswalk.


Hmmm... I'm not sure I agree.  There is a crosswalk before that "Children" sign, and if you compare the perspective in the photo to the perspective in the video, due to the angle and the lens, it looks a lot more compressed in the still photo than in the video.
 
2013-12-08 05:27:27 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: jaylectricity: Because People in power are Stupid: jaylectricity: Pedestrian rights in MA are downright ridiculous. I had never seen an intersection where all cars stopped while pedestrians crossed all streets, even some diagonally through the middle of the intersection.

You must be one of those drivers that never stops. I'm one of those crossers that nearly gets hit.

You must be one of those people with a wild imagination. Do you have any books I can borrow from the library?

Pedestrian rights are there for a reason.

http://www.newbedford-ma.gov/Police/PedestrianSafety.html

Each year, for the past five years, motor vehicles in Massachusetts have hit more than 10,000 pedestrians. Many have been permanently disabled from their injuries.

As far as the books/library thing, I recommend "The Gas" by Platt.


Not that I think it's good, and not that I think you're wrong, but there's one number I want to know about after that stat.  Namely, how many of said 10,000+ were the typical city-bred Masshole that just walked out into the middle of the road in the middle of a block and assumed no one had the balls to hit them.
 
2013-12-08 08:16:32 PM

FriarReb98: Not that I think it's good, and not that I think you're wrong, but there's one number I want to know about after that stat.  Namely, how many of said 10,000+ were the typical city-bred Masshole that just walked out into the middle of the road in the middle of a block and assumed no one had the balls to hit them.


It goes both ways. I cross every day at a light when I have the green walk sign and there are always a number of massholes turning left and nearly hitting me. When I say nearly I mean HONKING and I have to jump out of the way.

The massholes in my world are drivers.
 
2013-12-08 10:42:36 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: FriarReb98: Not that I think it's good, and not that I think you're wrong, but there's one number I want to know about after that stat.  Namely, how many of said 10,000+ were the typical city-bred Masshole that just walked out into the middle of the road in the middle of a block and assumed no one had the balls to hit them.

It goes both ways. I cross every day at a light when I have the green walk sign and there are always a number of massholes turning left and nearly hitting me. When I say nearly I mean HONKING and I have to jump out of the way.

The massholes in my world are drivers.


Just to clear things up...I learned to drive in NM. I do not drive like a masshole. That's why I pointed out your imagination skills. I thought using a term like pedestrian rights would make it obvious that I was being silly.
 
2013-12-08 11:22:21 PM

jaylectricity: Because People in power are Stupid: FriarReb98: Not that I think it's good, and not that I think you're wrong, but there's one number I want to know about after that stat.  Namely, how many of said 10,000+ were the typical city-bred Masshole that just walked out into the middle of the road in the middle of a block and assumed no one had the balls to hit them.

It goes both ways. I cross every day at a light when I have the green walk sign and there are always a number of massholes turning left and nearly hitting me. When I say nearly I mean HONKING and I have to jump out of the way.

The massholes in my world are drivers.

Just to clear things up...I learned to drive in NM. I do not drive like a masshole. That's why I pointed out your imagination skills. I thought using a term like pedestrian rights would make it obvious that I was being silly.


To be certain, I learned to drive in Arizona. Driving in Massachusetts is a lesson in controlling my road rage. Now that I save money by taking the T -I've learned to despise masshole drivers in a whole new way. Pedestrians don't have a metal cage around them, but the drivers don't care.

I'm not really sure what your point is. To be certain, the drivers in crowded areas like Boston proper aren't as massholeish as the ones speeding down the fringe cities like Dorchester or Waltham; especially in neighborhood areas. They also think that they have the right to run over pedestrians and if you cross the street at a leisurely pace -to force them to stop -to be a masshole yourself -those mighty warriors will screech to a halt, flip the bird and threaten you from the safety behind their locked car doors.

I could tell stories, the most satisfying was when I was crossing the street in a crosswalk and some masshole speeder did exactly that. Within seconds though, a cop drove by and I flagged him down and quickly gave a description of the car... off he went. I have a feeling he may have had his whole car searched.

But then I feel very territorial when my life is randomly threatened by by some inbred who couldn't be bothered to drive safely.
 
2013-12-08 11:29:50 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: I'm not really sure what your point is.


My point is that you had incorrectly assessed my driving habits. I drive courteously. I let more people go than I should. There was only one time when I was ever really mad at a pedestrian for getting in my way. And that was because I was a block away from my house and I had just shiat my pants and wanted to get home before it seeped through my jeans into the car seat. Then this family of seven goes sauntering across the street (nowhere near an intersection) with about six feet distance between each and every one of them. It took a full minute for them to cross the street.

Now I don't know if you've ever squirted fecal mud when you thought it was going to be a mud, but 60 seconds is a damn eternity when you're trying to get home, stand up and run to the bathroom to finish the rest of the endeavor.
 
2013-12-08 11:30:39 PM
...when you thought is was going to be a fart*...
 
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