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2013-12-07 01:18:59 PM
Pearl Harbor day just reminds me I'm a year older. My birthday parties are the bomb, though.
 
2013-12-07 01:19:06 PM
Why didn't we bomb the Germans for pearl harbor? I mean, we bombed iraq for their weapons of mass destruction.
 
2013-12-07 01:20:08 PM
gothamist.com

Lest we forget.
 
2013-12-07 01:20:49 PM
This is why I'm not buying a PS4.....those bastards.
 
2013-12-07 01:24:37 PM
They'll get over it.
 
2013-12-07 01:25:02 PM
You'd think the bullet riddles glass would be replaced by now. Kind of cool though.
gilbertlodge.com
 
2013-12-07 01:25:56 PM
www.littlechocolatedonuts.com
 
2013-12-07 01:26:14 PM
I hate to be that guy, but being on an island that gets bombed doesn't instantly elevate one to hero status.
 
2013-12-07 01:26:26 PM
Why is it nobody remembers the month before the week prior to the day that will live in infamy?
 
2013-12-07 01:29:36 PM
My wife and I got married on Dec 8th, but in the Philippines; they were attacked at the same time but since they are across the international date line it was Dec 8th.  Being a Navy man she swears I did that on purpose so I would have a one day warning reminder of our anniversary.
 
2013-12-07 01:32:17 PM
www13.myfantasyleague.com

...will never get over it.
 
2013-12-07 01:34:51 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: I hate to be that guy, but being on an island that gets bombed doesn't instantly elevate one to hero status.



True, but the folks who lived through the bombing are lucky as f*ck.  My grandad would have gone down in the harbor, but his squadron was the one that was flying patrol on the other side of the islands that morning.

My grandma got to see the zeros buzz town while she was hanging up the wash, and hauled ass back into the house when she saw the planes had red dots on the wings.  She never did say what happened to my auntie's diapers that she was hanging on the line.
 
2013-12-07 01:37:01 PM
You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?
 
2013-12-07 01:38:25 PM
December 7th, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii -- There was a nip in the air.
 
2013-12-07 01:40:37 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?


England?
 
2013-12-07 01:40:57 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?


Yup, made in America, tested in Japan. .
 
2013-12-07 01:41:42 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?


No but I'm sure you think you do.

/war is hell
//get over it
 
2013-12-07 01:41:58 PM

stratagos: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

England?


Wait, less than 100 is "gigantic"?
 
2013-12-07 01:42:31 PM

sillysillysilly: My wife and I got married on Dec 8th, but in the Philippines; they were attacked at the same time but since they are across the international date line it was Dec 8th.  Being a Navy man she swears I did that on purpose so I would have a one day warning reminder of our anniversary.


LOL Good man, I got married February 15th, one day after Valentines day so I can't fark it up because corporate america wants to remind me to buy something for her on valentines day so its a week long reminder every which way I look.
 
2013-12-07 01:43:21 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

westcoastfishingclub.com

 
2013-12-07 01:44:01 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?


Most of the Western Pacific islands under the "Greater East Asian Co-prosperity Sphere"?
 
2013-12-07 01:45:09 PM
The death toll and poutrage of Pearl harbor is like when the Saudis flew planes into 'Merican buildings in 2001.

The death count wasn't really enough for 'Merica to double Nuke Japan(before the USSR was declared the winner) or for 'Murica to murder a 1/2 million Iraqis(because war is highly profitable for Republicans).

Martial law for North America of course has lasted longer during this poutrage, than last time.

/this popcorn is so yummy.
//I've got a whole kettle of it and a ton of it about to be airdropped.
 
2013-12-07 01:45:28 PM

Bonzo_1116: Wasilla Hillbilly: I hate to be that guy, but being on an island that gets bombed doesn't instantly elevate one to hero status.


True, but the folks who lived through the bombing are lucky as f*ck.  My grandad would have gone down in the harbor, but his squadron was the one that was flying patrol on the other side of the islands that morning.

My grandma got to see the zeros buzz town while she was hanging up the wash, and hauled ass back into the house when she saw the planes had red dots on the wings.  She never did say what happened to my auntie's diapers that she was hanging on the line.


That's...actually a really cool story

/bro
 
2013-12-07 01:46:16 PM

Bonzo_1116: Wasilla Hillbilly: I hate to be that guy, but being on an island that gets bombed doesn't instantly elevate one to hero status.


True, but the folks who lived through the bombing are lucky as f*ck.  My grandad would have gone down in the harbor, but his squadron was the one that was flying patrol on the other side of the islands that morning.

My grandma got to see the zeros buzz town while she was hanging up the wash, and hauled ass back into the house when she saw the planes had red dots on the wings.  She never did say what happened to my auntie's diapers that she was hanging on the line.


My grandfather was there as well. His story is kind of sad. There are two specific occasions that plagued him for the rest of his days. The first event was when he was a couple hours late for his duty (mechanic's assistant Army/Air Force) and when he arrived the spot had been bombed killing a few of his friends/associates. Basic survivor's guilt there. However, the second incident I could more understand his anguish. He apparently went awol for a few hours, left the light on, and returned to find his barracks had been hit, killing everyone inside. He assumed they were targeted by the light, but I suppose you can't be 100% certain he was the catalyst for that.
 
2013-12-07 01:49:22 PM
I worked at a coffee place that had a daily trivia question for 10 cents off your drink. I posted the question
"what event happened on this date in 1941."  The ammount of people that got it wrong, made me shake my head.
/mainly high school kids got it wrong
 
2013-12-07 01:50:41 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?


I suppose you would have rather had all of Japan fire bombed an years of war continuing.   You probably think they were attacked unprovoked out of some bizzare white hatred of Asians or something.
 
2013-12-07 01:52:22 PM
Was stationed there during the 50th anniversary of the attack. Volunteered for every detail I could get--flags, color guard, driving, you name it.
Got to raise flags on the Arizona (LOTS of them), color guard for the submariner's memorial (during which I cried), got to meet the Prez, and drove a bunch of drunk brass around in the afternoon.
Was a day I'll never forget for sure.
 
2013-12-07 01:52:27 PM
Wasilla Hillbilly:

My grandfather was there as well. His story is kind of sad. There are two specific occasions that plagued him for the rest of his days. The first event was when he was a couple hours late for his duty (mechanic's assistant Army/Air Force) and when he arrived the spot had been bombed killing a few of his friends/associates. Basic survivor's guilt there. However, the second incident I could more understand his anguish. He apparently went awol for a few hours, left the light on, and returned to find his barracks had been hit, killing everyone inside. He assumed they were targeted by the light, but I suppose you can't be 100% certain he was the catalyst for that.

Lucky on the first and ultra sad on the second.
 
2013-12-07 01:53:17 PM

sillysillysilly: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

I suppose you would have rather had all of Japan fire bombed an years of war continuing.   You probably think they were attacked unprovoked out of some bizzare white hatred of Asians or something.


I'm never sure how to feel about using atomic bombs against Japan. Although I feel relatively secure that one bomb would been just as effective.
 
2013-12-07 01:54:27 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?


The Phillipines? Granted they are a bunch of islands.
 
2013-12-07 01:54:58 PM
Wasilla Hillbilly:

My grandfather was there as well. His story is kind of sad. There are two specific occasions that plagued him for the rest of his days. The first event was when he was a couple hours late for his duty (mechanic's assistant Army/Air Force) and when he arrived the spot had been bombed killing a few of his friends/associates. Basic survivor's guilt there. However, the second incident I could more understand his anguish. He apparently went awol for a few hours, left the light on, and returned to find his barracks had been hit, killing everyone inside. He assumed they were targeted by the light, but I suppose you can't be 100% certain he was the catalyst for that.

Holy shiat.  Did your grandfather ever learn how to tie his shoelaces correctly?
 
2013-12-07 01:55:06 PM

Bonzo_1116: Wasilla Hillbilly:

My grandfather was there as well. His story is kind of sad. There are two specific occasions that plagued him for the rest of his days. The first event was when he was a couple hours late for his duty (mechanic's assistant Army/Air Force) and when he arrived the spot had been bombed killing a few of his friends/associates. Basic survivor's guilt there. However, the second incident I could more understand his anguish. He apparently went awol for a few hours, left the light on, and returned to find his barracks had been hit, killing everyone inside. He assumed they were targeted by the light, but I suppose you can't be 100% certain he was the catalyst for that.

Lucky on the first and ultra sad on the second.


Yeah. I guess we was no hero, but I did learn much about life from him.
 
2013-12-07 01:55:09 PM
My dads enlistment was up Dec. 1941. At least he got to kill Nazis for the next 4 years.
 
2013-12-07 01:55:50 PM

hardinparamedic: Why didn't we bomb the Germans for pearl harbor? I mean, we bombed iraq for their weapons of mass destruction.


Well, we practically did bomb Germany for Pearl Harbor.  Of course it took awhile to get the 8th Air Force over to England, but since Hitler declared war on the US the day after Pearl Harbor, I think one could make the argument.

www.398th.org
 
2013-12-07 01:57:24 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?


I hope you realize that using the two atom bombs saved far more lives than they took.   Allied losses would have been horrorific and for the Japanese the losses would have been damn near be apocalyptic given their defense plans.
 
2013-12-07 01:57:53 PM

MNguy: Wasilla Hillbilly:

My grandfather was there as well. His story is kind of sad. There are two specific occasions that plagued him for the rest of his days. The first event was when he was a couple hours late for his duty (mechanic's assistant Army/Air Force) and when he arrived the spot had been bombed killing a few of his friends/associates. Basic survivor's guilt there. However, the second incident I could more understand his anguish. He apparently went awol for a few hours, left the light on, and returned to find his barracks had been hit, killing everyone inside. He assumed they were targeted by the light, but I suppose you can't be 100% certain he was the catalyst for that.

Holy shiat.  Did your grandfather ever learn how to tie his shoelaces correctly?


Kind of a rude comment, but I'll respond. My grandfather was borderline-genius. Excelled in a few different pursuits after wwii. Our family in general is full of bright, but mentally unstable people.
 
2013-12-07 02:00:20 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-07 02:00:23 PM
Igor Jakovsky:

BumpIntheNightYou know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

The Phillipines? Granted they are a bunch of islands.


You could also add Singapore as well.  That's an island (with a bunch of much smaller islands as well).

Hong Kong Island was also bombed and invaded... although that's just part of HK (Kowloon and New Territories are physically part of the Chinese mainland).
 
2013-12-07 02:00:54 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?


The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified if they saved saved a single American life.

Don't start wars of aggression.
 
2013-12-07 02:01:16 PM

Electrify: [gothamist.com image 640x480]

Lest we forget.


Jake Tapper retweeted that, and I burst into hysterical laughter.  I know when I think about a devastating attack on our nation's soil, I think of processed faux Italian food in a can.
 
2013-12-07 02:01:33 PM

sheep snorter: The death toll and poutrage of Pearl harbor is like when the Saudis flew planes into 'Merican buildings in 2001.

The death count wasn't really enough for 'Merica to double Nuke Japan(before the USSR was declared the winner) or for 'Murica to murder a 1/2 million Iraqis(because war is highly profitable for Republicans).

Martial law for North America of course has lasted longer during this poutrage, than last time.

/this popcorn is so yummy.
//I've got a whole kettle of it and a ton of it about to be airdropped.


It took a little longer than usual, but good to see the snarky arse wipe contingent finally show up in the comments.
 
2013-12-07 02:06:44 PM
the only date that will live in infamy is the one where I ended up being subby's dad.

/Most.... sophisticated... yo mama joke...... EVAR.
 
2013-12-07 02:06:54 PM

grimlock1972: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

I hope you realize that using the two atom bombs saved far more lives than they took.   Allied losses would have been horrorific and for the Japanese the losses would have been damn near be apocalyptic given their defense plans.


This has been the debate, since we never went ahead with operation Olympic some Japanese are still butt hurt over the fact we nuked their asses instead of taking hundreds of thousands of casualties. The debate - is in fact - we did NOT land and take the losses, so the bombs being dropped is still an argument. General Lemay asked for figures and I think it was around 350,000 to 750,000 dead americans - fact is the Japanese were going to use Kamikaze tactics to try to cause so many casualties that we would give up.

They were going to suicide to kill as many americans - in my opinon it was a no brainer to use the bomb, after all - all they needed to do was surrender and they kept refusing so clearly they wanted the war to continue in a lost cause effort.

/hopefully the bombs never get used again
 
2013-12-07 02:07:08 PM
My father's parents were married on December 7, 1953. So today would have been their 60th wedding anniversary. My dad was born August 7, 1954, exactly 8 months later.
 
2013-12-07 02:09:43 PM

Prairie Phoenix: My father's parents were married on December 7, 1953. So today would have been their 60th wedding anniversary. My dad was born August 7, 1954, exactly 8 months later.


I was born on my parent's wedding anniversary as well.  Now I now I'm not alone in the world.

/I know, no1curr
 
2013-12-07 02:11:18 PM

soupafi: I worked at a coffee place that had a daily trivia question for 10 cents off your drink. I posted the question
"what event happened on this date in 1941."  The ammount of people that got it wrong, made me shake my head.
/mainly high school kids got it wrong


10 cents off your drink?
I woulda trolled ya too.
 
2013-12-07 02:11:42 PM

JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression


So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?
 
2013-12-07 02:15:36 PM

sheep snorter: The death toll and poutrage of Pearl harbor is like when the Saudis flew planes into 'Merican buildings in 2001.

The death count wasn't really enough for 'Merica to double Nuke Japan(before the USSR was declared the winner) or for 'Murica to murder a 1/2 million Iraqis(because war is highly profitable for Republicans).

Martial law for North America of course has lasted longer during this poutrage, than last time.

/this popcorn is so yummy.
//I've got a whole kettle of it and a ton of it about to be airdropped.


So are you going to choose not to acknowledge the decade of terror Japan inflicted on the civilian population in China prior to 12/07/41, or the 4 years of total war they directed on the civilian populations of The Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Burma starting on this date 72 years ago?
 
2013-12-07 02:16:07 PM

kyrg: sheep snorter: The death toll and poutrage of Pearl harbor is like when the Saudis flew planes into 'Merican buildings in 2001.

The death count wasn't really enough for 'Merica to double Nuke Japan(before the USSR was declared the winner) or for 'Murica to murder a 1/2 million Iraqis(because war is highly profitable for Republicans).

Martial law for North America of course has lasted longer during this poutrage, than last time.

/this popcorn is so yummy.
//I've got a whole kettle of it and a ton of it about to be airdropped.

It took a little longer than usual, but good to see the snarky arse wipe contingent finally show up in the comments.


Yeah, I think that "poutrage" ranks right up there with "sheeple" in terms of use.
 
2013-12-07 02:17:25 PM

Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?


Iraq doesn't have nukes.
 
2013-12-07 02:20:26 PM

JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.


Tell me again how that whole little spat started?
 
2013-12-07 02:21:58 PM

JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.


Perhaps some other weapon. One capable of destruction of great quantities of mass?
 
2013-12-07 02:23:24 PM

sheep snorter: The death toll and poutrage of Pearl harbor is like when the Saudis flew planes into 'Merican buildings in 2001.

The death count wasn't really enough for 'Merica to double Nuke Japan(before the USSR was declared the winner) or for 'Murica to murder a 1/2 million Iraqis(because war is highly profitable for Republicans).

Martial law for North America of course has lasted longer during this poutrage, than last time.

/this popcorn is so yummy.
//I've got a whole kettle of it and a ton of it about to be airdropped.


Poutrage? is that like outrage, covered in gravy and cheese? Delicious, cheese gravy outrage...
 
2013-12-07 02:23:29 PM

fat boy: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

Yup, made in America, tested in Japan America, deployed in Japan.

 
2013-12-07 02:25:16 PM

BumpInTheNight: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Tell me again how that whole little spat started?


9/11

Prairie Phoenix: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Perhaps some other weapon. One capable of destruction of great quantities of mass?


If Iraq had such weapons and could reliably deliver them to the US, we would never have attacked them.  The point is moot.
 
2013-12-07 02:25:35 PM

JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.


That really wasn't my point. But at the same time you sort of helped make it.
 
2013-12-07 02:26:47 PM
My dad was in the Navy and was at Pearl a few weeks later.  He told me there were still fires burning.  That was the only thing about his service in WWII that he told me about.  Real men who have seen real horrors don't brag and don't like to talk about it.

/RIP Father
 
2013-12-07 02:30:03 PM

JesusJuice: BumpInTheNight: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Tell me again how that whole little spat started?

9/11

Prairie Phoenix: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Perhaps some other weapon. One capable of destruction of great quantities of mass?

If Iraq had such weapons and could reliably deliver them to the US, we would never have attacked them.  The point is moot.


1. You are saying Iraq did 9/11?
2. The whole justification claimed at the time of the invasion of Iraq was that they had WMD.
3. At the time Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, atomic weapons did not yet exist. We developed them during the war to use.
 
2013-12-07 02:32:27 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: Bonzo_1116: Wasilla Hillbilly: I hate to be that guy, but being on an island that gets bombed doesn't instantly elevate one to hero status.


True, but the folks who lived through the bombing are lucky as f*ck.  My grandad would have gone down in the harbor, but his squadron was the one that was flying patrol on the other side of the islands that morning.

My grandma got to see the zeros buzz town while she was hanging up the wash, and hauled ass back into the house when she saw the planes had red dots on the wings.  She never did say what happened to my auntie's diapers that she was hanging on the line.

My grandfather was there as well. His story is kind of sad. There are two specific occasions that plagued him for the rest of his days. The first event was when he was a couple hours late for his duty (mechanic's assistant Army/Air Force) and when he arrived the spot had been bombed killing a few of his friends/associates. Basic survivor's guilt there. However, the second incident I could more understand his anguish. He apparently went awol for a few hours, left the light on, and returned to find his barracks had been hit, killing everyone inside. He assumed they were targeted by the light, but I suppose you can't be 100% certain he was the catalyst for that.


But it was sunrise, almost 8am Hawaii time when the bombing started.  I am not sure the light would have been enough of a beacon to draw attention.

/ Very sad story
// salute to EVERY WW2 vet, alive, passed, or KIA,, your efforts are definitely appreciated.
 
2013-12-07 02:33:25 PM

Prairie Phoenix: JesusJuice: BumpInTheNight: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Tell me again how that whole little spat started?

9/11

Prairie Phoenix: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Perhaps some other weapon. One capable of destruction of great quantities of mass?

If Iraq had such weapons and could reliably deliver them to the US, we would never have attacked them.  The point is moot.

1. You are saying Iraq did 9/11?
2. The whole justification claimed at the time of the invasion of Iraq was that they had WMD.
3. At the time Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, atomic weapons did not yet exist. We developed them during the war to use.


*shrug*

Iraq were dicks anyway, so fark 'em.
 
2013-12-07 02:35:16 PM

Misconduc: grimlock1972: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

I hope you realize that using the two atom bombs saved far more lives than they took.   Allied losses would have been horrorific and for the Japanese the losses would have been damn near be apocalyptic given their defense plans.

This has been the debate, since we never went ahead with operation Olympic some Japanese are still butt hurt over the fact we nuked their asses instead of taking hundreds of thousands of casualties. The debate - is in fact - we did NOT land and take the losses, so the bombs being dropped is still an argument. General Lemay asked for figures and I think it was around 350,000 to 750,000 dead americans - fact is the Japanese were going to use Kamikaze tactics to try to cause so many casualties that we would give up.

They were going to suicide to kill as many americans - in my opinon it was a no brainer to use the bomb, after all - all they needed to do was surrender and they kept refusing so clearly they wanted the war to continue in a lost cause effort.

/hopefully the bombs never get used again


I agree on the bombs and your right on Japanese tactics, there were even plans to arm groups of civilians with bamboo pikes and throw them at allied troops.
 
2013-12-07 02:38:03 PM

Prey4reign: December 7th, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii -- There was a nip in the air.


They found the chink in our armor. Of course, history might put a different slant on the events.
 
2013-12-07 02:38:28 PM

JesusJuice: Prairie Phoenix: JesusJuice: BumpInTheNight: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Tell me again how that whole little spat started?

9/11

Prairie Phoenix: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Perhaps some other weapon. One capable of destruction of great quantities of mass?

If Iraq had such weapons and could reliably deliver them to the US, we would never have attacked them.  The point is moot.

1. You are saying Iraq did 9/11?
2. The whole justification claimed at the time of the invasion of Iraq was that they had WMD.
3. At the time Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, atomic weapons did not yet exist. We developed them during the war to use.

*shrug*

Iraq were dicks anyway, so fark 'em.



While I am still very against the invasion of Iraq, the lies that were fed to us about it, and the length it lasted, as we never should have went in, at least it led to Hussien being taken out.
 
2013-12-07 02:38:52 PM

grimlock1972: I agree on the bombs and your right on Japanese tactics, there were even plans to arm groups of civilians with bamboo pikes and throw them at allied troops.


histclo.com

Or

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

this was just the women, there are a few photos of children with bamboo sticks - anything over the age of 7 was drafted.
 
2013-12-07 02:48:01 PM
It ended well for the Japanese

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-12-07 02:51:04 PM

JohnCarter: It ended well for the Japanese

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x504]


As opposed to their complete genocide if the Americans and Allies invaded?
 
2013-12-07 02:51:07 PM

rzrwiresunrise: Prey4reign: December 7th, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii -- There was a nip in the air.

They found the chink in our armor. Of course, history might put a different slant on the events.


They should have known that such an action was a slippery slope.
 
2013-12-07 02:52:26 PM

Prairie Phoenix: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Perhaps some other weapon. One capable of destruction of great quantities of mass?


You mean the nerve agents that were used throughout the 1980's and 1990's?
 
2013-12-07 02:52:56 PM

soupafi: I worked at a coffee place that had a daily trivia question for 10 cents off your drink. I posted the question
"what event happened on this date in 1941."  The ammount of people that got it wrong, made me shake my head.
/mainly high school kids got it wrong


"Billy Mitchell spun in his grave"

/10 cents? What kind of Maxwell House knock off were you serving?
//Friend's dad was at Pearl, never forgot, don't think he ever forgave either.
 
2013-12-07 02:55:04 PM

Misconduc: grimlock1972: I agree on the bombs and your right on Japanese tactics, there were even plans to arm groups of civilians with bamboo pikes and throw them at allied troops.
this was just the women, there are a few photos of children with bamboo sticks - anything over the age of 7 was drafted.


The older men that weren't soldiers were being issued bamboo poles with anti-tank mines or other explosives attached. They were to run at the enemy and explode.

/ At least they weren't told to WEAR the bombs like SOME asshats
 
2013-12-07 02:56:00 PM

rzrwiresunrise: Prey4reign: December 7th, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii -- There was a nip in the air.

They found the chink in our armor. Of course, history might put a different slant on the events.


Walt Kowalski agrees.
 
2013-12-07 03:25:37 PM
Most of the civilian casualties in Honolulu, incidentally, were from Navy antiaircraft shells falling on the city. Oops.
 
2013-12-07 03:39:38 PM
"A date that will live in infamy."
I've had a few of those.
 
2013-12-07 03:43:19 PM

FuturePastNow: Most of the civilian casualties in Honolulu, incidentally, were from Navy antiaircraft shells falling on the city. Oops.


Well, you know, many must die so a few can survive. Or something like that.
 
2013-12-07 03:44:11 PM

AbiNormal: "A date that will live in infamy."
I've had a few of those.


I've had a date end in an Infinity.
 
2013-12-07 03:46:28 PM

AbiNormal: "A date that will live in infamy."
I've had a few of those.


So, I gotta ask, was squash involved?
 
2013-12-07 04:27:54 PM
I was going to add

"I've had a few dates which will live in infamy"

but someone already did that so I won't bother.
 
2013-12-07 04:34:57 PM

Misconduc: grimlock1972: I agree on the bombs and your right on Japanese tactics, there were even plans to arm groups of civilians with bamboo pikes and throw them at allied troops.

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Or

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this was just the women, there are a few photos of children with bamboo sticks - anything over the age of 7 was drafted.


Exactly the Military leaders were prepared to suicide the entire Japanese people rather than face the "dishonor" of surrender.
 
2013-12-07 04:39:38 PM
I once had a date that would live in infamy.

/biatch was nuts!
 
2013-12-07 04:43:27 PM
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time doesn't make you a hero; it makes you unlucky.
 
2013-12-07 04:44:20 PM
whither_apophis

//Friend's dad was at Pearl, never forgot, don't think he ever forgave either.

A buddy of mine taught English in Japan for a few years.

He said the old guys there were courteous and respectful, but could tell that some of them never forgave either.

And that the fact that he's obviously far too young to have had anything to do with WWII didn't matter.
 
2013-12-07 04:48:05 PM

sillysillysilly: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

I suppose you would have rather had all of Japan fire bombed an years of war continuing.   You probably think they were attacked unprovoked out of some bizzare white hatred of Asians or something.


A better idea would be if we had never entered the war in the first place. And, our entry into the war was a good six months before Pearl Harbor.
 
2013-12-07 04:55:34 PM

JesusJuice: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified if they saved saved a single American life.

Don't start wars of aggression.


Since its creation, the US has had to defend itself once, and that was the War of 1812. Even in that one, we tried to take over Canada. And we've been at war, overtly or covertly, for over 200 of our 230 years.
 
2013-12-07 04:57:22 PM

schemy: My dad was in the Navy and was at Pearl a few weeks later.  He told me there were still fires burning.  That was the only thing about his service in WWII that he told me about.  Real men who have seen real horrors don't brag and don't like to talk about it.

/RIP Father


Two of my grandfather's brothers were in Pearl Harbor during the attack.  One doesn't remember much because he had a head injury and got a plate in his head, I am not sure if he is still alive and I haven't seen him since I was small.  The other great-uncle witnessed the whole thing from the dock as his ship was sunk, he died of pneumonia in a mental hospital he admitted himself to; he never shared.
 
2013-12-07 04:57:34 PM

DrPainMD: sillysillysilly: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

I suppose you would have rather had all of Japan fire bombed an years of war continuing.   You probably think they were attacked unprovoked out of some bizzare white hatred of Asians or something.

A better idea would be if we had never entered the war in the first place. And, our entry into the war was a good six months before Pearl Harbor.


I know, right?  Why did we let ourselves miss out on eventual invasions on both coasts, and quite possibly get NYC nuked, you know?  We totes messed up on that one!
 
2013-12-07 05:17:45 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: AbiNormal: "A date that will live in infamy."
I've had a few of those.

So, I gotta ask, was squash involved?


Made me feel very inferior.
 
2013-12-07 05:19:32 PM

DrPainMD: Since its creation, the US has had to defend itself once, and that was the War of 1812. Even in that one, we tried to take over Canada. And we've been at war, overtly or covertly, for over 200 of our 230 years.


Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you revisionist history.

Japan never waged war against the United States? Really?
 
2013-12-07 06:10:35 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: DrPainMD: sillysillysilly: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

I suppose you would have rather had all of Japan fire bombed an years of war continuing.   You probably think they were attacked unprovoked out of some bizzare white hatred of Asians or something.

A better idea would be if we had never entered the war in the first place. And, our entry into the war was a good six months before Pearl Harbor.

I know, right?  Why did we let ourselves miss out on eventual invasions on both coasts, and quite possibly get NYC nuked, you know?  We totes messed up on that one!


The probability of that happening was, exactly, zero. Zero.
 
2013-12-07 06:15:29 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?


Your mom?
 
2013-12-07 06:28:22 PM

hardinparamedic: DrPainMD: Since its creation, the US has had to defend itself once, and that was the War of 1812. Even in that one, we tried to take over Canada. And we've been at war, overtly or covertly, for over 200 of our 230 years.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you revisionist history.


Here's a list of military invasions just since 1890. Not one involved a response to a challenge to US sovereignty. I'm sure you could find a list going back all the way to the early 1800s.

Japan never waged war against the United States? Really?


Before November, 1941, the U.S. was already fighting Japan's ally, Germany. (google "neutrality patrol" or "u.s.s. reuben james"). We were also building bases in Burma from which to launch attacks on the Japanese (google "flying tigers"). According to Bush and Obama, and the American public in general, such actions make preemptive strikes acceptable.
 
2013-12-07 06:28:34 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: No but I'm sure you think you do


You CHOOSE to feign ignorance ? yea, you are the problem

// War is hell, those that excuse their behaviour because of it are WHY war is hell
 
2013-12-07 06:34:46 PM

JesusJuice: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified if they saved saved a single American life.

Don't start wars of aggression.


yea, those oil boycotts and supplying the enemy during a time of war (not to mention putting US citizens into camps) were quite aggressive. Aggressive nations suck. fark you Japan and fark you USA, you both can enjoy the pop cultures you created, sorry the money is running out, sucks to be you.

// Thanks for coming to the party after we defended your supply lines assholes
/ Thanks in particular for the US R&R missions to the south pacific, grandma was satisfied and her bastard son did a great job of showing his children why a son of an abandoned child to a foreign native was SUPER NUMBER 1 !!! some of the nations still thinks of it as a giant number 2.
 
2013-12-07 06:34:49 PM

grimlock1972: Misconduc: grimlock1972: I agree on the bombs and your right on Japanese tactics, there were even plans to arm groups of civilians with bamboo pikes and throw them at allied troops.

[histclo.com image 700x417]

Or

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 275x183]

this was just the women, there are a few photos of children with bamboo sticks - anything over the age of 7 was drafted.

Exactly the Military leaders were prepared to suicide the entire Japanese people rather than face the "dishonor" of surrender.


Few years ago I did some mixed martial arts while I was still in the service, I pretty much got my ass beat a few times (yeah a jarhead who can't win a fight and stupidly continue to lose), basically I was only 5'10 with a shorter reach so i didn't really have much of a chance. I finally realized after going 0-6 it simply wasn't worth being a mike tyson knock out doll and walked away from it. There's a time when you know you gotta back down and walk, that or someone has a much bigger weapon in front of you, yet it amazes me everytime I go into a bar I see someone with a few beers becomes Goliath of the bar.
I don't feel discouraged I lost, rather I knew I was at my limits - I wasn't a pro or anything I just had adrenaline and wanted to use some of it - well it didn't work so well. Ah it was fun times though drinking beer afterward so I could have a hangover in the morning and not feel so busted up.
 
2013-12-07 07:33:54 PM

Misconduc: grimlock1972: Misconduc: grimlock1972: I agree on the bombs and your right on Japanese tactics, there were even plans to arm groups of civilians with bamboo pikes and throw them at allied troops.

[histclo.com image 700x417]

Or

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 275x183]

this was just the women, there are a few photos of children with bamboo sticks - anything over the age of 7 was drafted.

Exactly the Military leaders were prepared to suicide the entire Japanese people rather than face the "dishonor" of surrender.

Few years ago I did some mixed martial arts while I was still in the service, I pretty much got my ass beat a few times (yeah a jarhead who can't win a fight and stupidly continue to lose), basically I was only 5'10 with a shorter reach so i didn't really have much of a chance. I finally realized after going 0-6 it simply wasn't worth being a mike tyson knock out doll and walked away from it. There's a time when you know you gotta back down and walk, that or someone has a much bigger weapon in front of you, yet it amazes me everytime I go into a bar I see someone with a few beers becomes Goliath of the bar.
I don't feel discouraged I lost, rather I knew I was at my limits - I wasn't a pro or anything I just had adrenaline and wanted to use some of it - well it didn't work so well. Ah it was fun times though drinking beer afterward so I could have a hangover in the morning and not feel so busted up.


That's all well and fine but the Japanese military leadership and so instilled the samurai code of Bushido that even today some Japanese cannot admit the dishonorable acts the Japaneses military committed in world war II.
 
2013-12-07 07:35:12 PM

DrPainMD: JesusJuice: BumpInTheNight: You know what other island had gigantic civilian losses due to a couple dick move offensive strikes?

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified if they saved saved a single American life.

Don't start wars of aggression.

Since its creation, the US has had to defend itself once, and that was the War of 1812. Even in that one, we tried to take over Canada. And we've been at war, overtly or covertly, for over 200 of our 230 years.


Umm... Pearl Harbor?
 
2013-12-07 07:39:12 PM

JesusJuice: BumpInTheNight: JesusJuice: Mugato: JesusJuice: Don't start wars of aggression

So if Iraq set off a nuke in DC they'd be justified and fark the civilians?

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

Tell me again how that whole little spat started?

9/11



You know the worst part:  I bet you really do genuinely believe that too.
 
2013-12-07 08:10:56 PM

DrPainMD: Being in the wrong place at the wrong time doesn't make you a hero; it makes you unlucky.


Serving during peacetime and getting killed in a surprise attack by an enemy combatant sure as fark makes you a hero in the eyes of all who have served since.
 
2013-12-07 09:17:33 PM
scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net

My dad was the one in the center. Served aboard the battleship USS Pennsylvania.
 
2013-12-07 09:47:14 PM

DrPainMD: efore November, 1941, the U.S. was already fighting Japan's ally, Germany. (google "neutrality patrol" or "u.s.s. reuben james"). We were also building bases in Burma from which to launch attacks on the Japanese (google "flying tigers"). According to Bush and Obama, and the American public in general, such actions make preemptive strikes acceptable.


fc06.deviantart.net

Oh for the love of Christ. The American Volunteer Group was not acting under the orders of the United States, rather tasked under the Chinese Nationalist Government and flying under their flag. And the Japanese did not attack Pearl Harbor because of some imaginary aggressive manuevers in Burma. They attacked the United States to bully them into reopening the flow of raw metals and oil into the home islands, which was cut off after the knowledge of the atrocities in the Far East was brought before congress.

There has very rarely been a war in history which could truly be described as Good versus Evil. The Japanese Imperial war machine was, in all definitions, completely and utterly evil. The fact you're white knighting these people, and trying to revise history to paint the United States as the aggressor to Japan makes you as slimy as any ultranationalist Conservative in the Japanese Diet.
 
2013-12-07 10:13:45 PM

hardinparamedic: They attacked the United States to bully them into reopening the flow of raw metals and oil into the home islands


Close to correct, but not quite. They had no illusion that the US would reopen the flow of oil. They realized that if the US cut them off, their only choice was to get it from Southeast Asia. But they also realized that was stomping on the US's allies, and that the US would retaliate, so they decided to strike the US first, to knock out their ability to wage war. They hoped to give themselves at least six month's breathing room, to consolidate their hold on the region, before the US could get back in the game.
 
2013-12-08 12:28:51 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Wasilla Hillbilly: Bonzo_1116: Wasilla Hillbilly: I hate to be that guy, but being on an island that gets bombed doesn't instantly elevate one to hero status.


True, but the folks who lived through the bombing are lucky as f*ck.  My grandad would have gone down in the harbor, but his squadron was the one that was flying patrol on the other side of the islands that morning.

My grandma got to see the zeros buzz town while she was hanging up the wash, and hauled ass back into the house when she saw the planes had red dots on the wings.  She never did say what happened to my auntie's diapers that she was hanging on the line.

My grandfather was there as well. His story is kind of sad. There are two specific occasions that plagued him for the rest of his days. The first event was when he was a couple hours late for his duty (mechanic's assistant Army/Air Force) and when he arrived the spot had been bombed killing a few of his friends/associates. Basic survivor's guilt there. However, the second incident I could more understand his anguish. He apparently went awol for a few hours, left the light on, and returned to find his barracks had been hit, killing everyone inside. He assumed they were targeted by the light, but I suppose you can't be 100% certain he was the catalyst for that.

But it was sunrise, almost 8am Hawaii time when the bombing started.  I am not sure the light would have been enough of a beacon to draw attention.

/ Very sad story
// salute to EVERY WW2 vet, alive, passed, or KIA,, your efforts are definitely appreciated.


Interesting. I know it was dark when he left, but didn't realize the timing was that close to daylight. Better odds that it was just a coincidence. Thanks.
 
2013-12-08 01:40:45 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: Dr Jack Badofsky: Wasilla Hillbilly: Bonzo_1116: Wasilla Hillbilly: I hate to be that guy, but being on an island that gets bombed doesn't instantly elevate one to hero status.


True, but the folks who lived through the bombing are lucky as f*ck.  My grandad would have gone down in the harbor, but his squadron was the one that was flying patrol on the other side of the islands that morning.

My grandma got to see the zeros buzz town while she was hanging up the wash, and hauled ass back into the house when she saw the planes had red dots on the wings.  She never did say what happened to my auntie's diapers that she was hanging on the line.

My grandfather was there as well. His story is kind of sad. There are two specific occasions that plagued him for the rest of his days. The first event was when he was a couple hours late for his duty (mechanic's assistant Army/Air Force) and when he arrived the spot had been bombed killing a few of his friends/associates. Basic survivor's guilt there. However, the second incident I could more understand his anguish. He apparently went awol for a few hours, left the light on, and returned to find his barracks had been hit, killing everyone inside. He assumed they were targeted by the light, but I suppose you can't be 100% certain he was the catalyst for that.

But it was sunrise, almost 8am Hawaii time when the bombing started.  I am not sure the light would have been enough of a beacon to draw attention.

/ Very sad story
// salute to EVERY WW2 vet, alive, passed, or KIA,, your efforts are definitely appreciated.

Interesting. I know it was dark when he left, but didn't realize the timing was that close to daylight. Better odds that it was just a coincidence. Thanks.


Either that or this is one hell of a dark way to teach a youngster about wasting electricity.  Does he have a one-armed friend named J. Walter Weatherman?
 
2013-12-08 01:42:24 PM

Bonzo_1116: Wasilla Hillbilly: I hate to be that guy, but being on an island that gets bombed doesn't instantly elevate one to hero status.


True, but the folks who lived through the bombing are lucky as f*ck.  My grandad would have gone down in the harbor, but his squadron was the one that was flying patrol on the other side of the islands that morning.

My grandma got to see the zeros buzz town while she was hanging up the wash, and hauled ass back into the house when she saw the planes had red dots on the wings.  She never did say what happened to my auntie's diapers that she was hanging on the line.


I hope she got some sweet Michael Bay money then.

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