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(Iowa City Press-Citizen)   Mexican drug dealer who's already been deported four times gets a jail term, and the threat of... yup, being deported. It's like throwing Br'er Rabbit in the briar patch, I tell you   (blogs.press-citizen.com) divider line 47
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-07 11:35:38 AM
They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?
 
2013-12-07 12:13:36 PM
At the end of his sentience they'll probably bury or cremate him.
 
2013-12-07 12:17:22 PM
It seems subby thinks we should just let him stay here because he keeps sneaking in anyways.
 
2013-12-07 12:18:41 PM

vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?


I suppose they could just keep him in a for-profit jail forever, on our tax dollar. That'll teach 'em.
 
2013-12-07 12:28:25 PM
I say deport him. That way an American citizen can fill his position as drug lord.

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2013-12-07 12:30:11 PM

astro716: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

I suppose they could just keep him in a for-profit jail forever, on our tax dollar. That'll teach 'em.


Regular, non-violent crimes committed by illegals? deport em. For violent offenders, time to break limbs, THEN deport them. To an undisclosed tropical island with plenty of food.
 
2013-12-07 12:31:15 PM
Nice reference oldmitter.
 
2013-12-07 12:32:36 PM
Will he also see the tar baby?

madmikesamerica.com
 
2013-12-07 12:33:31 PM

vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?


Works for me.
 
2013-12-07 12:35:26 PM

Mr. Eugenides: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Works for me.


I'd also accept deporting him to Somalia.
 
2013-12-07 12:37:00 PM

Mr. Eugenides: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Works for me.


He does? Fark is a diverse place.
 
2013-12-07 12:37:56 PM
Don't deport him. Force him to work Christmas retail. He'll never come back after that torture.
 
2013-12-07 12:40:12 PM
So let me get this straight, he gets deported multiple times and has been arrested multiple times and only gets 60 months prison. One of my former tenants was an illegal - worked here 6 years in construction and was never arrested, got pulled over because his bike didn't have a flashing light and gets 1 year 1 day jail and deported and cannot re-enter the country for 10 years or face 30 years prison..

Whose driving the short yellow bus here stevie wonder?
 
2013-12-07 12:40:23 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Mr. Eugenides: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Works for me.

I'd also accept deporting him to Somalia.


This is the best idea I've heard. We should deport them. We didn't say WHERE we had to deport them to.
 
2013-12-07 12:46:07 PM

Misconduc: So let me get this straight, he gets deported multiple times and has been arrested multiple times and only gets 60 months prison. One of my former tenants was an illegal - worked here 6 years in construction and was never arrested, got pulled over because his bike didn't have a flashing light and gets 1 year 1 day jail and deported and cannot re-enter the country for 10 years or face 30 years prison..

Whose driving the short yellow bus here stevie wonder?


No, you.
 
2013-12-07 12:47:34 PM
Try deporting him to a country with no border with the USA. Claim that he qualifies as a refugee who is danger of harm if he is deported to his home country and deport him to a third safe country, like, I don't know, Peru. Or Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon. (That would be funny.)

They hate Mexicans in Peru. Everybody hates Mexicans in Latin America. They're so loud, flag-waiving, and snobby. And they work too hard. Very annoying to people in the land of mañana.

Mexicans are the Americans of the Americas. Nobody likes them. They don't even like each other. Mexicans are moving to Canada to get away from Mexicans. It's not working. (But at least they are.)

Foreigners are taking our jerbs. In the High Arctic. Good for them.

Canada is very pragmatic (read: selfish) in accepting immigrants. They do jobs we don't want to do or the Government doesn't want to educate or train us natives for. And more importantly, we make them go to places we don't want to go. Especially doctors and nurses.

The last Doctor I saw in my native village was from Ireland. He has probably been replaced by a Pakistani physician, like those guys in the IT department at the McCains Plant.

We call it Citizenship & Immigration, but we used to call it Labour & Immigration.
 
2013-12-07 12:47:59 PM

vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?


Send the mofo to Gitmo.
 
2013-12-07 12:49:40 PM
The very last thing we need to do is have any sort of border security. I think the faith based effort we've been putting forth is good enough.
 
2013-12-07 12:50:57 PM
An illegal in Methatine? Whaaaa? Color me shocked!
 
2013-12-07 12:52:05 PM
but illegal immigration is ok, right libs?
 
2013-12-07 12:57:27 PM

vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?


ICE can put a detainer on him so that he is handed over immediately after getting out, the file deportation charges, including reentry after prior deport; a felony charge.

Whether the AUSA considers this guy small potatoes or not is another matter. Federal cops don't really dictate policy on who gets how serious a charge, for better or worse.
 
2013-12-07 12:58:33 PM

Popular Opinion: but illegal immigration is ok, right libs?


but drug dealing is ok, right cons?
 
2013-12-07 01:04:13 PM

Mrbogey: The very last thing we need to do is have any sort of border security. I think the faith based effort we've been putting forth is good enough.


You know, I never thought of it that way. If the Lord didn't want him here he would have made sure he didn't keep sneaking in. Right?
 
2013-12-07 01:09:04 PM

jayphat: Mr. Eugenides: Mr. Eugenides: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Works for me.

I'd also accept deporting him to Somalia.

This is the best idea I've heard. We should deport them. We didn't say WHERE we had to deport them to.


Or how....
www.real-world-physics-problems.com
 
2013-12-07 01:13:34 PM

Mrbogey: The very last thing we need to do is have any sort of border security. I think the faith based effort we've been putting forth is good enough.


Because border agents and deportations have gone down under Obama.

/they haven't
//they've gone up
 
2013-12-07 01:17:34 PM
On a separate note, has anyone thought that a less complex, more thorough naturalization process would cut down on these types of criminals? They've already shown deporting isn't very effective even with increased resources. Why not increase the tax base and get them in to the system where rehabilitation might actually work?
 
2013-12-07 01:23:42 PM

vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?


Yes.
 
2013-12-07 01:40:06 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Yes.


How about we force them to listen to Lady gaga and Britney Spears for 30 days straight while in a jail cell - Im willing to bet they never will come back.
 
2013-12-07 01:42:13 PM

Misconduc: So let me get this straight, he gets deported multiple times and has been arrested multiple times and only gets 60 months prison. One of my former tenants was an illegal - worked here 6 years in construction and was never arrested, got pulled over because his bike didn't have a flashing light and gets 1 year 1 day jail and deported and cannot re-enter the country for 10 years or face 30 years prison..


You either don't have all the facts, or you didn't relate all of them.

The fact that your tenant got hit with a felony charge (1 year+ sentence), indicates that he had already been deported once and re-entered illegally. There's no real criminal sanction for being caught in the US after entering illegally -- about the only remedy is deportation (and potential "administrative" incarceration pending deportation, but that's a different issue), but once you're deported, every subsequent time you come back exposes you to felony charges. So your tenant had already been deported once, and decided to come back despite having been told "if you come back again, you'll wind up in jail."

In fact, it's the same crime as the drug dealer here, minus some nuances. 8 USC § 1326 - Reentry of removed aliens. The difference is, each time you come back and get caught, your Sentencing Guideline range climbs because each prior conviction adds to your Criminal History score. So if your tenant come back a fourth time, he'll probably get 60 months, too.

And by the way, the "year and a day" thing is actually a way of being nice to the prisoner. A sentence of 12 months of less means a prisoner loses access to several perks (good time credit, certain rehab programs) in the Federal Bureau of Prisons, whereas a prisoner doing a sentence longer than 12 months gets access to those things. In fact, due to good time credit, a sentence of 12 months and 1 day is actually about 10 months, whereas a sentence of exactly 12 months is always exactly 12 months.
 
2013-12-07 01:45:38 PM

Summoner101: On a separate note, has anyone thought that a less complex, more thorough naturalization process would cut down on these types of criminals? They've already shown deporting isn't very effective even with increased resources. Why not increase the tax base and get them in to the system where rehabilitation might actually work?


Deportation is not particularly effective only because of the ease of entering/reentering the United States from Mexico illegally. "These types of criminals" are inherent in any population... why would you be eager to spend your limited resources on treating Mexico's criminals, thereby detracting from the treatment of our own? You're not going to add any net positive to the tax base at all, given the imprisonment costs. What you're going to do if you naturalize these sorts of criminals is make them eligible for state and federal benefits including subsidized health care, and increase the likelihood of another crime against society as well as another child/children being born into poverty. I don't see any benefits of easier immigration without a more secured border.
 
2013-12-07 01:46:31 PM

Summoner101: Because border agents and deportations have gone down under Obama.

/they haven't
//they've gone up


Only after they redefined what counts as a "deportation".
 
2013-12-07 01:47:40 PM
I have a better idea, deport him to the middle of africa with a 3 day supply of food.  Give him an in accurate map and a screwed up compass and an AK47 with on mag of low grain bullets.
 
2013-12-07 02:01:02 PM

Summoner101: On a separate note, has anyone thought that a less complex, more thorough naturalization process would cut down on these types of criminals? They've already shown deporting isn't very effective even with increased resources. Why not increase the tax base and get them in to the system where rehabilitation might actually work?


No. That is important in cutting illegal immigration in general, but will not impact people entering the country for the purpose of criminal activity. As long as the cartels can make a crap ton of money selling drugs in the U.S. They will have people crossing the border.
 
2013-12-07 02:13:22 PM
Shoot him, and hang his corpse on the fence bordering the Mexican side.
 
2013-12-07 02:13:50 PM
What you gonna do Gringo?

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2013-12-07 02:19:41 PM

Summoner101: On a separate note, has anyone thought that a less complex, more thorough naturalization process would cut down on these types of criminals? They've already shown deporting isn't very effective even with increased resources. Why not increase the tax base and get them in to the system where rehabilitation might actually work?


Deportation alone is not effective.  100% prosecution rates on re-entry after deport might be.

I'm not saying I want to go that route, but on immigration liberal thinking is in many ways the same as conservative thought on welfare programs:

step 1: say it doesn't work
step 2: hamstring it.
step 3: point out that it doesn't work.
repeat.

I mean, the same people start with "let's not apply the criminal penalties written into immigration laws" then push the argument that "see, these laws aren't even really criminal laws, heck they are only administrative" and then later argue "look, this guy came back in 4 times because there is no penalty being applied for getting caught. That proves immigration enforcement cannot be effective, so fark it, let's scrap the whole thing and let a repeat offender drug dealing illegal alien come here and deal drugs legally, but tax him some and pretend we can rehabilitate him"

It really is a similar progression to the way anti-government conservatives operate.

And, regardless of where in the middle you may fall, immigration enforcement is not worthlessly ineffective. While there are a ton of illegal immigrants in the country, so too are there a significant amount less as a result of enforcement. For every example of this fourth time offender we see here, there is an opposing story of people claiming it is too effective and all illegal aliens live in constant fear of permanent disruption of their lives.  Obviously it cannot be both ways: no penalties and a cakewalk to return, but cruel and inhumane to do any enforcement at all. Not to mention how useless ports of entry would be if the areas in between them were completely unguarded.

Personally I really am not of a strong view on immigration one way or another.  I'm not scared of brown folk taking over, nor do I have the bleeding heart that says we should let 100% of immigration applications go through and give citizenship to everyone who snuck by either. I view immigration enforcement as something of a necessary evil.  Pretending it serves no purpose is silly, but folks getting too emotional about it kind of creep me out. And drugs should be legalized to the fullest extent possible and decriminalized where it isn't a good idea so that Mexico doesn't have to spend its entire budget fighting drug cartels and can actually improve the country instead.  Problems within our clogged and often poorly designed system aside, the better mexico is the less any of the problems resulting from immigration affect us.  Bring their wages and standard of living up (cost of living too) and there wouldn't be a benefit to illegal aliens to undercut our labor in the first place.
 
2013-12-07 02:39:32 PM
Re-legalize dope and make him compete with Walgreens®, he'll be mowing lawns to survive in no time.
 
2013-12-07 02:50:37 PM

brantgoose: Canada is very pragmatic (read: selfish) in accepting immigrants. They do jobs we don't want to do or the Government doesn't want to educate or train us natives for. And more importantly, we make them go to places we don't want to go. Especially doctors and nurses.


This is also the way U.S. immigration policy is legally supposed to work, in addition to family reunification.
 
2013-12-07 03:11:05 PM
A lot of the big drug dealers for the big cartels run their drug empires from prison.  So whether he's in prison or not, the business is going to keep on going.
 
2013-12-07 03:12:41 PM

Misconduc: Dr Jack Badofsky: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Yes.

How about we force them to listen to Lady gaga and Britney Spears for 30 days straight while in a jail cell - Im willing to bet they never will come back.


It worked in Panama in 1989, didn't it?
 
2013-12-07 03:24:30 PM

BumpInTheNight: jayphat: Mr. Eugenides: Mr. Eugenides: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Works for me.

I'd also accept deporting him to Somalia.

This is the best idea I've heard. We should deport them. We didn't say WHERE we had to deport them to.

Or how....
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That is true.  Also acceptable would be a free one-way cruise halfway to Hawaii.
 
2013-12-07 04:01:45 PM
But he'll come back.  He always comes back, little Pedro, and he'll mow your lawn.  He will mow the hell out of your lawn, gringo, and as soon as you leave for work he'll open the sliding door to the kitchen, remove his funk-laden, green stained boots, the grey, tattered socks with a hole in each toe, brusquely pull back the oversized playboy belt buckle on his thick braided belt, drop his grass covered swap meet jeans, and look around the clean, white room as he wipes the gritty sweat off of his face with his moist, stretched-out tee-shirt.  It's okay though...he mows the hell out of your lawn, Pedro does, and he blows the trimmings and crap clean over into your neighbor's driveway.  Damn old man McGee, that'll teach him to let his precious little rat-dog crap on your front sidewalk in the middle of the night so you'll step right in it when you stagger down to the curb for the trash cans on Monday morning.  Nothing like a slippery, crap covered flip flop before you've even had your morning coffee.
So McGee's getting your lawn's rubble and your wife is bent over the kitchen table as Pedro handles his tiny brown member and slaps your wife on the ass.
Afterwards, you know, she'll let him drink water right out of the tap as she swills down a warm bottle of Tecate...the real Mexican kind, not the domestic stuff.  Don't worry about Pedro.  He's porking your wife and mowing your lawn and you can bet his primo will be back this winter to shovel your walk, if by shovel you mean pork, and by walk you mean, of course, your wife.
 
2013-12-07 04:41:52 PM

Summoner101: On a separate note, has anyone thought that a less complex, more thorough naturalization process would cut down on these types of criminals? They've already shown deporting isn't very effective even with increased resources. Why not increase the tax base and get them in to the system where rehabilitation might actually work?


However, your little scenario still doesn't account for drugs like marijuana being legalized.
 
2013-12-07 05:41:46 PM
legalize all drugs and remove his livelihood ... TADA problems solved
 
2013-12-07 10:14:27 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Mr. Eugenides: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Works for me.

I'd also accept deporting him to Somalia.


I can see that:
"Personal/identification documents please. No documents? I see. Then you must be here illegally. You look Somalian. You must be Somalian. That's it you're going back to Somalia. Beunos what? No. I don't care that you apparently learned Spanish from the Mexican immigrants you met here. My "mother put a" what?! Now you are pretending to be Italian?! Guards!! Take him back to Somalia!!"


/would make for an interesting social experiment
//can probably get the Somalian 'government' to play along
///at least until the human rights and/or media make enough of a fuss
////I'm interested, yet apprehensive to imagine what Mexican and Somalian fusion food would be like. SomMex? MexSom?!
//Slashies overload!!
 
2013-12-08 12:48:06 AM

Resident Muslim: Mr. Eugenides: Mr. Eugenides: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Works for me.

I'd also accept deporting him to Somalia.

I can see that:
"Personal/identification documents please. No documents? I see. Then you must be here illegally. You look Somalian. You must be Somalian. That's it you're going back to Somalia. Beunos what? No. I don't care that you apparently learned Spanish from the Mexican immigrants you met here. My "mother put a" what?! Now you are pretending to be Italian?! Guards!! Take him back to Somalia!!"


/would make for an interesting social experiment
//can probably get the Somalian 'government' to play along
///at least until the human rights and/or media make enough of a fuss
////I'm interested, yet apprehensive to imagine what Mexican and Somalian fusion food would be like. SomMex? MexSom?!
//Slashies overload!!


At least the Somalian pirate ships would have more interesting paint jobs then?....
 
2013-12-08 02:00:14 AM

Dr Jack Badofsky: Resident Muslim: Mr. Eugenides: Mr. Eugenides: vpb: They have to release him at the end of his sentience, so what else can they do, shoot him?

Works for me.

I'd also accept deporting him to Somalia.

I can see that:
"Personal/identification documents please. No documents? I see. Then you must be here illegally. You look Somalian. You must be Somalian. That's it you're going back to Somalia. Beunos what? No. I don't care that you apparently learned Spanish from the Mexican immigrants you met here. My "mother put a" what?! Now you are pretending to be Italian?! Guards!! Take him back to Somalia!!"


/would make for an interesting social experiment
//can probably get the Somalian 'government' to play along
///at least until the human rights and/or media make enough of a fuss
////I'm interested, yet apprehensive to imagine what Mexican and Somalian fusion food would be like. SomMex? MexSom?!
//Slashies overload!!

At least the Somalian pirate ships would have more interesting paint jobs then?....


Well, not much landscaping to be done in Somalia.
 
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