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2013-12-07 12:08:06 AM  
So a guy putting his dick into another guy's ass is more correct than a guy who's religious beliefs is against a guy putting his dick into another guy.

This is morally wrong.  Its also the reason why I encourage those who don't approve of the LGBT lifestyle to put up a sign that says "We will serve you: however, we'll do a very bad job of it intentionally.  This way we have obeyed the spirit of the law by serving you, and we don't care if you don't come back or tell your friends"
 
2013-12-07 12:45:13 AM  
I have no opinion - well I have one but it is not important- but does anyone ever NOT appeal when an ALJ rules against them. I have 2 friends who are ALJs in Florida and they say it really is just a tool that is used to fetter away time so people will forget what the problem was. Drag it out long enough and people just toss up their hands and say forget it.

Now of course well funded groups will help the baker with his appeal, which is of course how our system is designed. We need an authoritative answer that applies to everyone not piecemeal ALJ and local decisions willy nilly.

Of course that will take another decade.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
 
2013-12-07 01:20:30 AM  
I'm ok with allowing businesses to discriminate as long as those businesses disclose prominently who and when they discriminate.

The other thing about this issue is; if you run a business you should know the laws.  Our laws in the US clearly stipulate what is not allowed in terms of discrimination.  If a business owner does not want to serve gays, then dont be so stupid as to say that is why you are discriminating.
 
2013-12-07 03:16:10 AM  

Frederick: I'm ok with allowing businesses to discriminate as long as those businesses disclose prominently who and when they discriminate.

The other thing about this issue is; if you run a business you should know the laws.  Our laws in the US clearly stipulate what is not allowed in terms of discrimination.  If a business owner does not want to serve gays, then dont be so stupid as to say that is why you are discriminating.


Been there done that.

nysiaf.org
 
2013-12-07 03:41:45 AM  

optikeye: Frederick: I'm ok with allowing businesses to discriminate as long as those businesses disclose prominently who and when they discriminate.

The other thing about this issue is; if you run a business you should know the laws.  Our laws in the US clearly stipulate what is not allowed in terms of discrimination.  If a business owner does not want to serve gays, then dont be so stupid as to say that is why you are discriminating.

Been there done that.

[nysiaf.org image 456x392]


It's almost funny that they felt the need to inform the Spanish and Mexicans they didnt qualify as white.  I wonder if the Asians where a accepted?

How well do you think this business would survive today?
 
2013-12-07 05:38:14 AM  
I don't understand why gay people would want to use his business. Why not use your money to support a decent person? Why force someone you don't like to take your money?
 
2013-12-07 07:11:08 AM  
Do you really want to eat food prepared by someone who doesn't like you?
 
2013-12-07 07:11:25 AM  
I guess I'm torn. We got votes to enact gay marriage, by convincing people that this sort of thing wouldn't be allowed to happen.

I completely support gay marriage. I also respect business owners to make their own (stupid) decisions. Rather than legally force him to bake a cake, let the publicity of his refusal be the deciding factor of whether it was a wise choice or not.
 
2013-12-07 07:11:38 AM  

Trailltrader: So a guy putting his dick into another guy's ass is more correct than a guy who's religious beliefs is against a guy putting his dick into another guy.

This is morally wrong.  Its also the reason why I encourage those who don't approve of the LGBT lifestyle to put up a sign that says "We will serve you: however, we'll do a very bad job of it intentionally.  This way we have obeyed the spirit of the law by serving you, and we don't care if you don't come back or tell your friends"


And the same holds for those fella with more melanin im their skin than you, right?

Because the *exact same argument* were used back then
 
2013-12-07 07:13:20 AM  
Separate is inherently unequal.
 
2013-12-07 07:13:50 AM  

Trailltrader: So a guy putting his dick into another guy's ass is more correct than a guy who's religious beliefs is against a guy putting his dick into another guy.


Yes, the natural right of human beings supersedes the decision to believe in a higher power and the desire for others to follow your archaic rules. It also applies to lesbians as well as gay men, something you might have mentioned if you were less obsessed about gay sex.
 
2013-12-07 07:14:29 AM  
Of course, the baker is being a hypocrite.  He has baked cakes for other sinning couples, and that hasn't offended his version of religious belief. But he has singled out this one particular "sin" to get all butthurt about.
 
2013-12-07 07:14:56 AM  
It's no farking way I would eat that cake
 
2013-12-07 07:15:18 AM  
blogs.villagevoice.com
 
2013-12-07 07:15:36 AM  
What exactly is a gay cake?
 
2013-12-07 07:15:55 AM  
Separate IS inherently unequal.
 
2013-12-07 07:17:18 AM  

Corn_Fed: I guess I'm torn. We got votes to enact gay marriage, by convincing people that this sort of thing wouldn't be allowed to happen.

I completely support gay marriage. I also respect business owners to make their own (stupid) decisions. Rather than legally force him to bake a cake, let the publicity of his refusal be the deciding factor of whether it was a wise choice or not.


Yeah, And we told white people that black people would always stay in their own neighborhoods. They wouldn't want to mix with white folks anyway.

We're just lucky that a lot of white people are gullible.

They should find another baker. But the baker should also be made an example of.
 
2013-12-07 07:17:21 AM  

Trailltrader: This is morally wrong.


A business refusing service to a group based on gender, race, or sexual orientation is, indeed, morally wrong. Sadly that's not what you meant.

In my opininion, when you run a business you abdicate your right to assert your views on others. This moral principle is increasingly well established in law.

Slaxl: I don't understand why gay people would want to use his business. Why not use your money to support a decent person? Why force someone you don't like to take your money?


Much more about principle than wanting to use his services, although this, to me, has an air of 'frankly, who cares?' since gay friendly wedding cake makers are not exactly thin on the ground.
 
2013-12-07 07:18:22 AM  

Mad Scientist: Of course, the baker is being a hypocrite.  He has baked cakes for other sinning couples, and that hasn't offended his version of religious belief. But he has singled out this one particular "sin" to get all butthurt about.


Heh. "butthurt"

/I'm so mature
 
2013-12-07 07:21:27 AM  
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2013-12-07 07:22:42 AM  

Trailltrader: So a guy putting his dick into another guy's ass is more correct than a guy who's religious beliefs is against a guy putting his dick into another guy.


Sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this. Lots of late night thought. Over and over again. Weeping tears into your pillow. How dare they...
 
2013-12-07 07:24:06 AM  
I wonder if he'll make a fruitcake?
 
2013-12-07 07:31:35 AM  

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See, raise

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2013-12-07 07:31:42 AM  
I'm pretty sure I would not eat any cake baked by someone who hated me.
 
2013-12-07 07:33:20 AM  

SpdrJay: What exactly is a gay cake?


It doesn't contain eggs.
 
2013-12-07 07:36:20 AM  

Snarfangel: SpdrJay: What exactly is a gay cake?

It doesn't contain eggs.


Well then how do they keep it moist?

Oh!

That's. nasty.
 
2013-12-07 07:38:23 AM  

Without Fail: Trailltrader: So a guy putting his dick into another guy's ass is more correct than a guy who's religious beliefs is against a guy putting his dick into another guy.

Sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this. Lots of late night thought. Over and over again. Weeping tears into your pillow. How dare they...


Lonely, cakeless tears.

drjekel_mrhyde: It's no farking way I would eat that cake


I imagine that any cake prepared with hatred and seething resentment  wouldn't digest well.
 
2013-12-07 07:38:24 AM  

Trailltrader: This is morally wrong. Its also the reason why I encourage those who don't approve of the LGBT lifestyle to put up a sign that says "We will serve you: however, we'll do a very bad job of it intentionally. This way we have obeyed the spirit of the law by serving you, and we don't care if you don't come back or tell your friends"


Crazy as it sounds, I fully encourage bigots to follow your advice. Bakeries operate on a thin margin, so nature will quickly take its course for a baker that goes out of its way to advertise its intent to deliberately and capriciously tamper with the food it serves its customers.

Then they'll be replaced by a business that wants to comply with the law and succeed, and all will be right with the world.
 
2013-12-07 07:40:21 AM  

Corn_Fed: I completely support gay marriage. I also respect business owners to make their own (stupid) decisions. Rather than legally force him to bake a cake, let the publicity of his refusal be the deciding factor of whether it was a wise choice or not.


Pretty much how I feel. While I think the baker is being a bit of a turd, making him serve certain customers by force of law is just asinine.

If I were walking down the street and saw a pub with a 'No Black People' sign, I'd keep on walking. I don't underwrite assholes. Now, that may not have a direct effect on me, but clearly the owner is a dick and I won't add to his bottom line.

Same thing with this baker. Let him run his business the way he sees fit and deal with the consequences of his poor decisions.

Someone had to involve the courts?
 
2013-12-07 07:42:18 AM  
You really don't want to eat a cake, or anything for that matter, prepared by someone who was forced to make it for you, trust me on that one.
 
2013-12-07 07:45:21 AM  

Trailltrader: So a guy putting his dick into another guy's ass is more correct than a guy who's religious beliefs is against a guy putting his dick into another guy.

This is morally wrong.  Its also the reason why I encourage those who don't approve of the LGBT lifestyle to put up a sign that says "We will serve you: however, we'll do a very bad job of it intentionally.  This way we have obeyed the spirit of the law by serving you, and we don't care if you don't come back or tell your friends"


The bible doesn't say "thou shalt not make cakes for dudes," so he needs to shut up and do his job. He is not endorsing a lifestyle, he is just baking a stupid cake.

/I wish I had a business for which I could pick and choose customers.
 
2013-12-07 07:49:48 AM  

phenn: Corn_Fed: I completely support gay marriage. I also respect business owners to make their own (stupid) decisions. Rather than legally force him to bake a cake, let the publicity of his refusal be the deciding factor of whether it was a wise choice or not.

Pretty much how I feel. While I think the baker is being a bit of a turd, making him serve certain customers by force of law is just asinine.

If I were walking down the street and saw a pub with a 'No Black People' sign, I'd keep on walking. I don't underwrite assholes. Now, that may not have a direct effect on me, but clearly the owner is a dick and I won't add to his bottom line.

Same thing with this baker. Let him run his business the way he sees fit and deal with the consequences of his poor decisions.

Someone had to involve the courts?


You are missing the point of civil rights laws. Do you really think a couple who wants to celebrate the most important day of their lives is really going to go to a baker who doesn't want to serve them?

Civil rights laws are designed to alter societal attitudes long term. These people will some day close up shop and someone else will take place in the market. If they discriminate they will be punished, and so on, until the market accepts that it can't do so.

Eventually bigots will stay out the marketplace, and attitudes will follow the law. Eventually business owners who have a "no gays" policy will be viewed with the same distaste as is a bar that puts up a "no coloreds" sign today.

It worked with public accommodation laws in the South, and it will work here. It's just a matter of time.
 
2013-12-07 07:52:34 AM  
Honestly if there are gay couples who have no idea how to bake a really good cake, then they aren't really all that gay to begin with. Therefore it's okay to service them.
 
2013-12-07 07:53:17 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Trailltrader: So a guy putting his dick into another guy's ass is more correct than a guy who's religious beliefs is against a guy putting his dick into another guy.

This is morally wrong.  Its also the reason why I encourage those who don't approve of the LGBT lifestyle to put up a sign that says "We will serve you: however, we'll do a very bad job of it intentionally.  This way we have obeyed the spirit of the law by serving you, and we don't care if you don't come back or tell your friends"

The bible doesn't say "thou shalt not make cakes for dudes," so he needs to shut up and do his job.


Check the scribbling at the edge of the standard text: "Thou shalt not make cakes for dudes. I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain. Also, it is impossible to separate a cube into two cubes, or a fourth power into two fourth powers, or in general, any power higher than the second, into two like powers. Thus saith the Lord."
 
2013-12-07 07:55:24 AM  

Snarfangel: Milo Minderbinder: Trailltrader: So a guy putting his dick into another guy's ass is more correct than a guy who's religious beliefs is against a guy putting his dick into another guy.

This is morally wrong.  Its also the reason why I encourage those who don't approve of the LGBT lifestyle to put up a sign that says "We will serve you: however, we'll do a very bad job of it intentionally.  This way we have obeyed the spirit of the law by serving you, and we don't care if you don't come back or tell your friends"

The bible doesn't say "thou shalt not make cakes for dudes," so he needs to shut up and do his job.

Check the scribbling at the edge of the standard text: "Thou shalt not make cakes for dudes. I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain. Also, it is impossible to separate a cube into two cubes, or a fourth power into two fourth powers, or in general, any power higher than the second, into two like powers. Thus saith the Lord."


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2013-12-07 07:57:41 AM  
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Just another case of Haggard's Law, nothing to see here...
 
2013-12-07 08:00:05 AM  
I was okay with them refusing and the community just opting not to do business with them anymore. I thought that was suitable punishment. If you're gonna run your business in a discriminatory way, I have to right to discriminate against you and go to your non-bigot competitor because not only are you a douchehopper, you're an idiot, and now you're paying for your idiocy on a national level and if you're buying into the anti-gay crowd's narrative, don't. They'll drop you as soon as they have no need of you anymore.

/They'll probably win the appeal because the judge is an idiot too.
 
2013-12-07 08:07:11 AM  
How will they get Teh Ghey in the cake?

Wait, maybe I don't need to know.
 
2013-12-07 08:10:34 AM  

SpdrJay: What exactly is a gay cake?




One with fabulous frosting.
 
2013-12-07 08:11:09 AM  
Does he ask hetero couples if they have engaged in premarital sex?  What about if they are Catholic or Mormon?

This baker is a dick hiding behind his religion to openly express his bigotry.
 
2013-12-07 08:13:06 AM  

Corn_Fed: I guess I'm torn. We got votes to enact gay marriage, by convincing people that this sort of thing wouldn't be allowed to happen.

I don't know of anyone who promised no anti- discrimination laws. Most gay marriage statutes allow religious organizations to refuse to perform the ceremony. But that has nothing to do with businesses open to the public.

I completely support gay Interracial marriage. I also respect business owners to make their own (stupid) decisions. Rather than legally force him to bake a cake, let the publicity of his refusal be the deciding factor of whether it was a wise choice or not.


Now, how does that sound? Sound like a good idea?
 
2013-12-07 08:18:21 AM  
it starts with gay cakes, then they will want their own cupcakes and before you know it there won't be flour left.
 
2013-12-07 08:18:30 AM  
1. You shouldn't be discriminating against people due to sexual orientation/race/religion/etc.
2. Because I love hyperbole in the morning: could you successfully pursue legal action against a Muslim baker who refused to make you a Muhammad cake?
 
2013-12-07 08:20:44 AM  

Corn_Fed: I guess I'm torn. We got votes to enact gay marriage, by convincing people that this sort of thing wouldn't be allowed to happen.

I completely support gay marriage. I also respect business owners to make their own (stupid) decisions. Rather than legally force him to bake a cake, let the publicity of his refusal be the deciding factor of whether it was a wise choice or not.


And if the majority of society was against whatever it was that was being discriminated against, how do you think that would work out?  Think being black in 1948 in the south.

Those of you who say, "If a business wants to discriminate, they should be able to do so," are missing the point, badly.  This person has served hundreds of sinners, and is selecting this couple and their "sin" for discrimination...simply for being themselves.  "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" stops at protected classes, and that is as it should be.  Assuming that such a business would likely go out of business is a big leap, and isn't really relevant anyway.
 
2013-12-07 08:21:42 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Trailltrader: So a guy putting his dick into another guy's ass is more correct than a guy who's religious beliefs is against a guy putting his dick into another guy.

This is morally wrong.  Its also the reason why I encourage those who don't approve of the LGBT lifestyle to put up a sign that says "We will serve you: however, we'll do a very bad job of it intentionally.  This way we have obeyed the spirit of the law by serving you, and we don't care if you don't come back or tell your friends"

The bible doesn't say "thou shalt not make cakes for dudes," so he needs to shut up and do his job. He is not endorsing a lifestyle, he is just baking a stupid cake.

/I wish I had a business for which I could pick and choose customers.


Gotta remember that this guy is cut from the same cloth of those who freak out when a overly religious Christmas display is taken down from public property and start throwing phrases around like "religious persecution" or "war on Christmas"

It's nothing but buffoonery!
 
2013-12-07 08:22:17 AM  

Slaxl: I don't understand why gay people would want to use his business. Why not use your money to support a decent person? Why force someone you don't like to take your money?


Man deeply opposed to his business serving same-sex couples based on what he imagines god says, gays use the law to make him serve customers without regard for his discriminatory beliefs.

He'll either learn that made-believe crap isn't a legitimate basis for discrimination against customers in 21st century America or he'll close his business if he doesn't get off his rotten high horse.
 
2013-12-07 08:25:28 AM  
I'm finding fault with both sides. The homophobic baker was too dumb to say his shop was going to closed for a couple of days during the time window necessary to finish the cake and the couple is too dumb to just go find another baker.
 
2013-12-07 08:39:16 AM  

bighairyguy: I'm finding fault with both sides. The homophobic baker was too dumb to say his shop was going to closed for a couple of days during the time window necessary to finish the cake and the couple is too dumb to just go find another baker.


You know the old joke "How do you know if someone is a vegan?"  "Don't worry, they will tell you..."

That same mentality happens with the uber religious on their moral high-horse.  Add to that, that he would have been LYING, which is also a sin.  For some reason, here in America, as a good Christian, you need to point out when someone is sinning, and offer them a way to rescue themselves from their sin, lest you have blood on your hands spiritually speaking.  In this bakers mind, honestly, he did NOTHING wrong.

As for the couple.  They are stupid if they take a single bite of the food.  The point of the suit is not to get a farking cake, it is to enact social change, and to put other religious nuts on notice:  You break the law, you discriminate against protected classes, you will pay both in the way of legal fees and loss of business.

If you have a business open to the public, you are obligated to serve the public to the best of your abilities.  As a Christian, you have an obligation to God and your fellow man (or customers) to serve both to the best of your ability and put that love into everything you do.

This baker is totally misguided and absolutely 100% in the wrong...and I am sure most practicing Christians would agree that he is not doing a good job putting other Christians in a positive light.
 
2013-12-07 08:41:56 AM  
Stories like this remind me of when I volunteered at a needle exchange. We had white supremacists, pimps, and other "unsavory" characters come in all the time to use our services. We often discussed this as these folks ran counter to some of our core values. Every time we came back to the same conclusion: however we felt about them was irrelevant to our mission, which was to help reduce the risks associated with drug use. If a neo nazi contracts hep C or dies from an overdose, that's no less of a travesty than if the same thing happens to someone else. I learned to treat everyone with the same level of decency, even if that meant having to keep knee-jerk reactions in check when, say, one of the pimp regulars tried to turn my girlfriend out while she was volunteering there.

Having been through that experience, I find the idea of refusing to sell a cake to a gay couple to be downright ludicrous. If your business is to make money selling cakes, who cares who's buying them or what they do with them? Your cash register is going to go ka-ching regardless. I didn't see anyone preventing Barry and Levon from buying $240 worth of pudding, and look what they did with it.
 
2013-12-07 08:42:23 AM  
I disagree with this. If I own a business, I can refuse service to anyone. I don't even need a farking reason.
 
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