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(Orlando Sentinel)   City rules that a 3 year-old autistic boy's therapy chickens are a public nuisance and cannot be kept within city limits, so his parents must move or get rid of the chickens. Because that's going to make everything better   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 205
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2013-12-06 11:45:48 PM
Move to a farm or have chicken dinner.
 
2013-12-06 11:47:43 PM
Personally, I'd move. Florida sucks and chickens, while psychotic, are some of the most likable birds.

That said, chicken dinner is not to be scoffed at. The boy would probably bond with a lab or golden, too. There are residential therapy animals.
 
2013-12-06 11:50:29 PM
Sometimes city governments are just bigger, more obnoxious versions of HOAs
 
2013-12-06 11:56:08 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sometimes city governments are just bigger, more obnoxious versions of HOAs


It's chickens in a residential zone.

The needs of the many, etc. And quite frankly a Florida residential zone is probably not good for people with real autism. A New York suburb might be just the ticket. More treatment options and qualified practitioners, plus you could probably find a place to raise chickens within hipster towns.

Florida is just sinkholes and weirdness.
 
2013-12-07 12:05:13 AM
Make things better for everyone else, yeah.
 
2013-12-07 12:13:43 AM

propasaurus: Make things better for everyone else, yeah.


Bears Repeating.

I have nothing against doing what we can to provide the best life possible for your tard. But not at the expense of everyone else, just because he's a tard.
 
2013-12-07 12:19:01 AM
Chickens are filthy creatures and magnets for predators.  This isn't really a dick move, it's prudent.

/the rules apply to people with autism too
 
2013-12-07 01:04:55 AM
Person builds coop and buys chickens knowing full well that the ordinance is temporary and may not be renewed in a year's time. A grand total of two people file to keep chickens under said ordinance. Council rightly sees that ordinance is completely unnecessary. Logical outcome ensues.

Tough luck, and I assume that if you have the money to hire a lawyer to "overturn the council's decision" then you probably have the money to move.
 
2013-12-07 01:52:28 AM
Therapy...chickens?!?! WTF. I mean, I can fully understand therapy dogs or cats or other animals that are well domesticated to be pets and companion animals. But chickens?!?! My mind = boggled. :-/
 
2013-12-07 01:52:55 AM

Fark It: This isn't really a dick move


No, it's a dick move. It has no rational basis let alone any sort of humane basis.
 
2013-12-07 02:06:08 AM

WhyteRaven74: Fark It: This isn't really a dick move

No, it's a dick move. It has no rational basis let alone any sort of humane basis.


Again, chickens don't belong in residential areas, it's reasonable not to allow coops.  Maybe I could see an ordinance that allows a couple of indoor animals as pets, but the only reason this was a pilot program was because the parents of the autistic kid went ahead and set up a coop in violation of city code.  If you want to blame anybody blame the parents for picking a therapy animal, an uncommon one, that they couldn't legally keep in their yard.
 
2013-12-07 02:25:26 AM
FTA: "City Council members on Wednesday decided to end a one-year trial program on Dec. 31 that allowed residents to keep chickens in backyard coops."

Let him keep his chickens. It's not a big deal; just grandfather them in. They won't live forever. This really isn't a big deal, except to the autistic kid.

FFS, let him keep his chickens, you rule-obsessed cretins.
 
2013-12-07 02:34:22 AM

MadAzza: FTA: "City Council members on Wednesday decided to end a one-year trial program on Dec. 31 that allowed residents to keep chickens in backyard coops."

Let him keep his chickens. It's not a big deal; just grandfather them in. They won't live forever. This really isn't a big deal, except to the autistic kid.

FFS, let him keep his chickens, you rule-obsessed cretins.


Rules nothing.

Chickens can be LOUD. And they will be loud early. That's a public health issue
 
2013-12-07 02:53:39 AM

doglover: MadAzza: FTA: "City Council members on Wednesday decided to end a one-year trial program on Dec. 31 that allowed residents to keep chickens in backyard coops."

Let him keep his chickens. It's not a big deal; just grandfather them in. They won't live forever. This really isn't a big deal, except to the autistic kid.

FFS, let him keep his chickens, you rule-obsessed cretins.

Rules nothing.

Chickens can be LOUD. And they will be loud early. That's a public health issue


They're female chickens. They're not loud.
 
2013-12-07 02:59:59 AM
static4.wikia.nocookie.net

Don't GIS "Gonzo and cocks" with safesearch off.
 
2013-12-07 03:03:39 AM

Fark It: WhyteRaven74: Fark It: This isn't really a dick move

No, it's a dick move. It has no rational basis let alone any sort of humane basis.

Again, chickens don't belong in residential areas, it's reasonable not to allow coops.  Maybe I could see an ordinance that allows a couple of indoor animals as pets, but the only reason this was a pilot program was because the parents of the autistic kid went ahead and set up a coop in violation of city code.  If you want to blame anybody blame the parents for picking a therapy animal, an uncommon one, that they couldn't legally keep in their yard.


They might not have broken the city code when they set up the coop. The following is a comment from the father (from the comments section under the article):

(begin quoted text)
Hi I am JJ's father. I just wanted to clear up a few things I keep seeing pop up. Please share this as it is hard to monitor all sites.
1) I never broke the city code in the beginning. I looked at the code and even had a lawyer look at it before I got chickens. After I told them why I believed their codes did not say no chickens, they had an meeting to add to the language of the codes against chickens. We had our chickens February of 2012. The codes were changed SEPTEMBER 5,2012 I am not a lawyer, but neither are any of the council.
2) My lawyer was ready to prove we never broke the codes. The council had his case the night before, as we were required to submit the evidence the night before. They didn't wanted him to present his case, so they decided to take us off the agenda and have a backyard chicken pilot program. We never got the chance to present our case. My wife and I are working on putting Mark Nation's (our attorney last year) case on a website so that others can view it.
3) We do have a prescription from his therapist and his doctor. The city council has both as my attorney gave them 7 copies of the complete case.
We eventually accepted the one year trial as It was too much stress, and JJ still got to keep his chickens. We thought the council would continue the program, because there were no complaints and it's for a kid that obviously needs them.
(end quoted text)

That's probably it from me. I don't have a dog in this fight -- I just wanted to put a little more info out there for discussion.
 
2013-12-07 03:16:27 AM

MadAzza: doglover: MadAzza: FTA: "City Council members on Wednesday decided to end a one-year trial program on Dec. 31 that allowed residents to keep chickens in backyard coops."

Let him keep his chickens. It's not a big deal; just grandfather them in. They won't live forever. This really isn't a big deal, except to the autistic kid.

FFS, let him keep his chickens, you rule-obsessed cretins.

Rules nothing.

Chickens can be LOUD. And they will be loud early. That's a public health issue

They're female chickens. They're not loud.


No, they're not rooster loud, it's true.

But you know cockfighting is still big south of the Mason dixon all the way to chile. There will be cocks.
 
2013-12-07 03:18:44 AM
It'll peck your eyes out!!
 
2013-12-07 03:20:18 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: propasaurus: Make things better for everyone else, yeah.

Bears Repeating.

I have nothing against doing what we can to provide the best life possible for your tard. But not at the expense of everyone else, just because he's a tard.


Try not to cut yourself on all that edge, kiddo.
 
2013-12-07 03:22:15 AM
FTA:  J.J. Hart is an autistic 3-year-old [...]
That's a big change from nearly two years ago, his parents say, when J.J. stared off into space, barely spoke and threw temper tantrums.

Two years ago he was one. This is what one year olds do.
 
2013-12-07 03:28:24 AM
If only the judge had explained to the parents that there is a cure for autism: regular spanking fort the little farking brat.
 
2013-12-07 03:31:16 AM

Fark It: Chickens are filthy creatures and magnets for predators.  This isn't really a dick move, it's prudent.

/the rules apply to people with autism too


I feel the same way about dogs, but all the same I accept service dogs.

IMHO there ought to be a clause in the law that allows service animals as such.

---

Pretty farked up life as a chicken, being "cuddled" and chased around by an autistic kid all day.
 
2013-12-07 03:33:25 AM
It was a trial program. They allowed it for the kid for one year. The parents knew it was a trial program that would only be allowed for one year. The city is under no obligation to expand that trial program, no matter how much of a benefit it is, no matter how little of a problem it is, for one person.

I note that nobody else has availed themselves of this new ordinance, so obviously there is no great rush of people wanting to be chicken owners. I'm glad the boy is doing so well, but guess what? He has to live in the world. The world is not going to forever alter itself so your little boy can have a smooth path. If he is so severely autistic that he absolutely cannot function without his chickens, plural, then you had better start developing a better plan for him NOW, while he is small enough to control and not when he's 17 and needs a therapy ostrich.

I am 110% behind getting autistic children the things they need to function in society. That does not mean turning all society into a special-needs classroom for their benefit.
 
2013-12-07 03:34:18 AM
Therapy chickens?

Are you f*cking KIDDING me?
 
2013-12-07 03:34:35 AM

doglover: MadAzza: FTA: "City Council members on Wednesday decided to end a one-year trial program on Dec. 31 that allowed residents to keep chickens in backyard coops."

Let him keep his chickens. It's not a big deal; just grandfather them in. They won't live forever. This really isn't a big deal, except to the autistic kid.

FFS, let him keep his chickens, you rule-obsessed cretins.

Rules nothing.

Chickens can be LOUD. And they will be loud early. That's a public health issue


Dogs are so quiet.
 
2013-12-07 03:36:00 AM

mamoru: Therapy...chickens?!?! WTF. I mean, I can fully understand therapy dogs or cats or other animals that are well domesticated to be pets and companion animals. But chickens?!?! My mind = boggled. :-/


That's going to be my band name: the therapy chickens.
 
2013-12-07 03:38:31 AM

MadAzza: FTA: "City Council members on Wednesday decided to end a one-year trial program on Dec. 31 that allowed residents to keep chickens in backyard coops."

Let him keep his chickens. It's not a big deal; just grandfather them in. They won't live forever. This really isn't a big deal, except to the autistic kid.

FFS, let him keep his chickens, you rule-obsessed cretins.


Seconded
 
2013-12-07 03:38:33 AM
An ass whooping a day keeps the autism (and peanut "allergies")away.
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2013-12-07 03:39:14 AM
4 words that might make the  city back off : Americans with Disabilities act.
 
2013-12-07 03:40:49 AM

HotWingAgenda: [static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 384x308]

Don't GIS "Gonzo cocks" with safesearch off.


i will take your word for that.
 
2013-12-07 03:43:10 AM

DuudeStanky: FTA:  J.J. Hart is an autistic 3-year-old [...]
That's a big change from nearly two years ago, his parents say, when J.J. stared off into space, barely spoke and threw temper tantrums.

Two years ago he was one. This is what one year olds do.


That's an excellent point. Year over year comparisons don't work well when the subject is starting from one.
 
2013-12-07 03:45:41 AM

doglover: chickens, while psychotic, are some of the most likable birds.


I'm sorry, but chickens are never likable, while psychotic. Nobody is, to be fair. ;-p
 
2013-12-07 03:47:54 AM
A couple of chickens are not load at all!

My neighbour has two that have a chicken run right along my back fence and I never hear them.

Now kids on the other hand ... and drunk boguns ... well there should be laws.
 
2013-12-07 03:48:13 AM

doglover: The boy would probably bond with a lab or golden, too. There are residential therapy animals.


I was thinking the same thing.  I'm sure there are any number of animals better suited for non-farm life that would work just as well. The difficult part, however, is that he is already bonded with the chickens and undoing that could be extremely traumatic.
 
2013-12-07 03:48:37 AM

uttertosh: doglover: chickens, while psychotic, are some of the most likable birds.

I'm sorry, but chickens are never likable, while psychotic. Nobody is, to be fair. ;-p


Chickens are dinosaurs!
 
2013-12-07 03:50:13 AM
Also, the best therapy a chicken can provide is barbecued.
 
2013-12-07 03:51:37 AM

grimlock1972: 4 words that might make the  city back off : Americans with Disabilities act.


Cool. What's their number? The city of Chicago won't let me keep a therapy polar bear for my chronic masturbation.
 
2013-12-07 03:51:42 AM
Sweet Jebus, I want me some Therapy Chickens.

Who brought the KY?

/Seriously
//Those feathery s.o.b.s know how to please
 
2013-12-07 03:52:28 AM

doglover: MadAzza: doglover: MadAzza: FTA: "City Council members on Wednesday decided to end a one-year trial program on Dec. 31 that allowed residents to keep chickens in backyard coops."

Let him keep his chickens. It's not a big deal; just grandfather them in. They won't live forever. This really isn't a big deal, except to the autistic kid.

FFS, let him keep his chickens, you rule-obsessed cretins.

Rules nothing.

Chickens can be LOUD. And they will be loud early. That's a public health issue

They're female chickens. They're not loud.

No, they're not rooster loud, it's true.

But you know cockfighting is still big south of the Mason dixon all the way to chile. There will be cocks.


I suggested just grandfathering in *his* chickens, not allowing everyone to have chickens.

I live someplace that has a lot cockfighting *and* a huge feral chicken population. I understand the annoyance that comes from having too many of them around.
 
2013-12-07 03:52:58 AM

grimlock1972: 4 words that might make the  city back off : Americans with Disabilities act.


 Or http://www.disabilityrightsflorida.org/

FTFA: Dr. Emily Forrest, a developmental behavioral pediatrician for Florida Hospital for Children who specializes in autism, said dogs and horses are animals more commonly used in therapy for children with autism.
"But in this case, this boy has made a connection with these chickens, and it's helped him out,"

DeBary Mayor Bob Garcia, who wanted to see the chicken program extended until the end of 2015, said he is disappointed that it had to end.
"It had so many benefits for this child," Garcia said. "And it would have shown that we're a community that is compassionate and understanding."


They're service animals. They're quiet and lay tasty eggs. Let him have them.
 
2013-12-07 03:55:36 AM

phrawgh: If only the judge had explained to the parents that there is a cure for autism: regular spanking fort the little farking brat.


You sir are an idiot or have never dealt with an autistic child. Do you believe punishing a child who may not understand they have done anything wrong is effective? Let me tell you it isn't. They just look at you like the cruel sadistic b@stard you are. It doesn't change anything for the child.

/has autistic child
//will kill first person to raise a hand against her
 
xcv
2013-12-07 03:55:51 AM
doglover: Chickens can be LOUD. And they will be loud early. That's a public health issue

Now you're giving them an idea for an ordinance against possessing autistic kids.
 
2013-12-07 03:59:44 AM
Your snowflake is exceptionally unique and we all wish you well.  However, you still have to live by the same rules as everyone else.  Sorry.
 
2013-12-07 04:01:51 AM
I have to agree about chickens being a nuisance. I don't care if they personally feed a limbless kid and work two jobs to support him, I will kill that thing the first day it wakes me up at 3am.

/At the very least make damn sure it can't get loose and terrorize the neighborhood for weeks. By the time the neighbor caught it, it was the chicken or the owners as far as anyone within earshot was concerned.
 
2013-12-07 04:02:49 AM
Autistic children rely on routine and react very badly to change. Moving is not an option for this family!

Also, moving is not exactly easy right now considering the housing crash. This family is most likely underwater on their mortgage, especially since they probably have very high medical expenses.

/source: I'm autistic
 
2013-12-07 04:06:08 AM
I suffer from severe sexual deficit syndrome. Where's my therapy stripper?
 
2013-12-07 04:06:15 AM

doomjesse: phrawgh: If only the judge had explained to the parents that there is a cure for autism: regular spanking fort the little farking brat.

You sir are an idiot or have never dealt with an autistic child. Do you believe punishing a child who may not understand they have done anything wrong is effective? Let me tell you it isn't. They just look at you like the cruel sadistic b@stard you are. It doesn't change anything for the child.

/has autistic child
//will kill first person to raise a hand against her


You are part of the problem. If they do not understand right from wrong you are a failure. Please get snipped.
 
2013-12-07 04:08:12 AM

phrawgh: doomjesse: phrawgh: If only the judge had explained to the parents that there is a cure for autism: regular spanking fort the little farking brat.

You sir are an idiot or have never dealt with an autistic child. Do you believe punishing a child who may not understand they have done anything wrong is effective? Let me tell you it isn't. They just look at you like the cruel sadistic b@stard you are. It doesn't change anything for the child.

/has autistic child
//will kill first person to raise a hand against her

You are part of the problem. If they do not understand right from wrong you are a failure. Please get snipped.


What the hell is wrong with you?
 
2013-12-07 04:09:07 AM

EngineerAU: I suffer from severe sexual deficit syndrome. Where's my therapy stripper?


Hi. My name is Jim. I will be your stripper tonight.
 
2013-12-07 04:10:29 AM

KawhostaYucwy: phrawgh: doomjesse: phrawgh: If only the judge had explained to the parents that there is a cure for autism: regular spanking fort the little farking brat.

You sir are an idiot or have never dealt with an autistic child. Do you believe punishing a child who may not understand they have done anything wrong is effective? Let me tell you it isn't. They just look at you like the cruel sadistic b@stard you are. It doesn't change anything for the child.

/has autistic child
//will kill first person to raise a hand against her

You are part of the problem. If they do not understand right from wrong you are a failure. Please get snipped.

What the hell is wrong with you?


I'll just leave this here. Read at your leisure.  http://scams-and-secrets.com/autism-hoax.html
 
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