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2013-12-06 10:30:43 PM
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-12-06 10:38:56 PM
The author has clearly never been to Oklahoma. The lawmakers there are honorary Mormons.
 
2013-12-06 10:47:23 PM
In fairness, PA is good for *drinking*, just not *purchasing*.

/Surprised that we were beaten out by MA.
 
2013-12-06 11:42:38 PM
California is pretty lax with its laws. Alcohol sales are only prohibited between 2am and 6am... and that's about it. Grocery stores, convenience stores, gas stations, and drug stores can sell anything at any (non-prohibited) time, given the appropriate license. No ABV limits to beer, and liquor up to 151 proof is permitted.
 
2013-12-06 11:52:59 PM
I've tried to get a decent drink on many parts of the planet, and I am pretty sure that Utah has the least amount of alcohol per square foot.
 
2013-12-06 11:54:23 PM
PENNSYLVANIA IS THIRD WORST?!?!?

ok so it sucks here
 
2013-12-07 12:03:56 AM
PA is good for everything. It's just that none of it's legal so you have to go into the woods.
 
2013-12-07 12:10:21 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: /Surprised that we were beaten out by MA.


I'm wondering how MA gets away with banning other state ids. Wouldn't that fall under the Full Faith and Credit clause?
 
2013-12-07 01:01:36 AM
I agree with Utah being the worst.  When we worked with Novell going to visit Provo or SLC was an exercise in some of the stupidest farking liquor laws ever enacted.  I'm not sure if it's changed in the past 12 years, but there were only like six ABC stores in the entire state.  Getting hard liquor was like finding the holy grail.
 
2013-12-07 01:13:06 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: In fairness, PA is good for *drinking*, just not *purchasing*.


If you truly like to drink, a case of beer purchase minimum sounds perfectly reasonable.
 
2013-12-07 01:14:26 AM
You can't swing a dead cat in Missouri without hitting a drunk. It's great here.
 
2013-12-07 01:50:35 AM

bigpeeler: You can't swing a dead cat in Missouri without hitting a drunk. It's great here.


Unless you're a Mizzou athlete or coach.
 
2013-12-07 02:12:02 AM
WTF Massachusetts? I thought you were "progressive" and "intelligent". "Highly educated" I think they said.
 
2013-12-07 04:36:50 AM
Most of my drinking was done in California, Vegas, and Wisconsin.

Sadly, the worst state you can drink in would be in a state of liver failure. Unfortunately, I found this out 4 years ago at age 34.

/cirrhosis farking sucks
//bitter
 
2013-12-07 05:23:48 AM
Strange. It's almost like Nevada, Missouri and Wisconsin are in a free country.
 
2013-12-07 05:24:21 AM

BKITU: California is pretty lax with its laws. Alcohol sales are only prohibited between 2am and 6am... and that's about it. Grocery stores, convenience stores, gas stations, and drug stores can sell anything at any (non-prohibited) time, given the appropriate license. No ABV limits to beer, and liquor up to 151 proof is permitted.


I think you can still get Strohs 80 in California. It's 160 proof.
 
2013-12-07 05:29:02 AM
Maryland sucks. I was working in MD one night and wanted to pick up a 6-pack to take to my girlfriend's place in DC, so I went to a grocery store.

After 20 minutes of searching that store, wondering who the fark builds a grocery store with no beer aisle, I remembered that you can only buy beer and wine at liquor stores in MD.

Why that is, I have no farkin' clue. You can buy liquor at a CVS in Nevada, and they don't seem to have a problem because of it. Get your shiat together, Maryland!
 
2013-12-07 05:33:01 AM
Last I heard you had to have a sponsor to walk into a bar in Utah

/ did not RTFA
 
2013-12-07 05:34:01 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: In fairness, PA is good for *drinking*, just not *purchasing*.

/Surprised that we were beaten out by MA.


I lived in Boston when I was in the military with an out-of-state ID.  I was only ever turned away from a bar once because of my non-Mass license.  In their defense, I was wearing cowboy boots at the time, which I think is a capital offense in that state.
 
2013-12-07 05:35:41 AM
I'm in Washington and I disagree.

/collapses on keyboardsrqertgfhhhhhhhhhgggfsa
 
2013-12-07 05:39:44 AM

BKITU: California is pretty lax with its laws. Alcohol sales are only prohibited between 2am and 6am... and that's about it. Grocery stores, convenience stores, gas stations, and drug stores can sell anything at any (non-prohibited) time, given the appropriate license. No ABV limits to beer, and liquor up to 151 proof is permitted.


I was surprised Alaska didn't make the top 3 best drinking states.  Bars only have to close for four hours per day (possibly six, it's been a while) and can set their own hours.  When I was in Kodiak we'd hit the popular bars until closing time around 4:00, then us hardcore drinkers would wander over to the bars near the fishing boat piers and drink Irish coffee until we were ready to pass out.
 
2013-12-07 05:48:34 AM
I get sick of the mantra of preaching for governmental non-interference in commerce from the same people who support clear government interference in commerce like this.

In Indiana, only 6 out of 7 days of the week are acceptable to buy a car or alcohol.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/07/03/193865442/Indiana-Conven ie nce-Stores-Sue-To-Sell-Cold-Beer

From the Article linked :
While many states have laws restricting liquor sales, Indiana is the only one where you can't buy packaged beer, wine and liquor on Sundays, and it's the only state that regulates alcohol sales based on temperature. Only liquor stores can sell cold beer.

Most lobbyists need punched in the face.  Especially the ones in my state.
 
2013-12-07 06:05:37 AM
M-I-Z...!

/oblig
 
2013-12-07 06:08:12 AM
Connecticut is coming 'round, though. We can now buy booze on Sundays.

Was anyone else disturbed by the article's poor title, its vague quality? A better title might have been "The top three states with the most liberal alcohol consumption laws and their three opposites" or something like that. "Best" and "worst" Time magazine? Really?
 
2013-12-07 06:17:12 AM
How did LA not make the best list? Bourbon Street anyone?

How do you not include a southern state on the worst list? SC is scattered with dry counties, only private clubs can serve liquor, no sales on Sunday......
 
2013-12-07 06:32:04 AM

August11: Connecticut is coming 'round, though. We can now buy booze on Sundays.

Was anyone else disturbed by the article's poor title, its vague quality? A better title might have been "The top three states with the most liberal alcohol consumption laws and their three opposites" or something like that. "Best" and "worst" Time magazine? Really?


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/is-jon-stewarts-epic-takedown-of-cnn-a-good -thing-or-a-bad-thing/

/goes in the sad bag
 
2013-12-07 06:42:41 AM
What I'm seeing here is that the worst places are ones that are overly liberal, or overly conservative.

Huh. Funny. It seems to work that way with just about everything. It seems that BOTH sides of the political spectrum are primarily interested in controlling the actions of others, just in different ways, and the more extreme you get, the shiattier the results.

I'll stay in middle of the road Michigan for the time being.
 
2013-12-07 06:48:28 AM
Missouri: Never been there while of age, sounds normal except for some weird family laws.
Nevada:  Obvious, just keep it together in public.
Wisconsin: Easily the most drunk state I've ever visited

Utah: No. Just no.
Massachusetts: Only been to Boston, but it's pretty easy to get your swerve on.
Pennsylvania: Strange. It's like they don't want you to drink at home. You have to seriously plan ahead, or just drink at one of 30 bars within one square mile... but don't drive.
 
2013-12-07 06:49:17 AM

SquiggsIN: I get sick of the mantra of preaching for governmental non-interference in commerce from the same people who support clear government interference in commerce like this.

In Indiana, only 6 out of 7 days of the week are acceptable to buy a car or alcohol.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/07/03/193865442/Indiana-Conven ie nce-Stores-Sue-To-Sell-Cold-Beer

From the Article linked :
While many states have laws restricting liquor sales, Indiana is the only one where you can't buy packaged beer, wine and liquor on Sundays, and it's the only state that regulates alcohol sales based on temperature. Only liquor stores can sell cold beer.

Most lobbyists need punched in the face.  Especially the ones in my state.


I'm always amazed that when it comes to booze the Nanny State is more free than half of the US. Supermarkets have around 5% of floor space devoted to beer, wine and spirits and the larger ones often open 24 hours during the week and till midnight on Saturdays. Sundays are the only odd day when the large stores can only open six hours while smaller shops can open much longer.
 
2013-12-07 06:50:52 AM

Finity999: M-I-Z...!

/oblig


Z-O-U!
 
2013-12-07 06:55:25 AM

doczoidberg: What I'm seeing here is that the worst places are ones that are overly liberal, or overly conservative.

Huh. Funny. It seems to work that way with just about everything. It seems that BOTH sides of the political spectrum are primarily interested in controlling the actions of others, just in different ways, and the more extreme you get, the shiattier the results.

I'll stay in middle of the road Michigan for the time being.


R's and D's only exist to oppose each other and tell you the other side is at fault for everything. They encourage the media to keep the public focused on the most divisive of issues so that we're not thinking about the things they agree on. The things they agree on are far scarier for the prospect of this nation.

They exist to give you the illusion that we have a choice.  We don't.  (George Carlin was a wise man)
 
2013-12-07 06:59:13 AM

sammyk: How did LA not make the best list? Bourbon Street anyone?

How do you not include a southern state on the worst list? SC is scattered with dry counties, only private clubs can serve liquor, no sales on Sunday......


I can remember being on a grand jury in Marshall county Alabamastan where cases were brought against people caught "transporting" liquor from wet counties through the dry county of Marshall because they had two packs of beer in the trunk and the cops followed their cars from the liquor store across county lines. Even my brother was caught doing that and it cost him somewhat to pay the fine and a trip to the local jail. Now since the super Wal Mart came to town, it's now allowed to have wet cities inside the dry counties. Due to Wal Mart's big influence in its efforts to sell beer and wine.
 
2013-12-07 06:59:36 AM
Best States
1. Czech Rep
2. Russia
3. Ireland/Germany

Worst States
1. Saudi Arabia
2. Afghanistan
3. UAE

Drinking in Czech is great. No last call, if you can find a shop open they can sell it 7 days a week, plus the majority are atheist, so you don't get the 'closed on Sundays' BS. Home distilling is quite normal and the beer is still relatively cheap
 
2013-12-07 06:59:57 AM

bigpeeler: You can't swing a dead cat in Missouri without hitting a drunk. It's great here.


I live in Missouri but work in Kansas...it's like crossing into another country. Not only do you have to buy liquor at an actual liquor store, but they can't even sell sodas or mixers in the same store. Gas stations, convenience marts, supermarkets and Walmart don't sell it - it's the freakin most inconvenient thing ever. I have to use my phone and GPS to find a liquor store on that side and they're always hidden away in a strange place.

I always do my liquor shopping on the MO side. Yay MO!
 
2013-12-07 07:01:22 AM

Cajnik: Best States
1. Czech Rep
2. Russia
3. Ireland/Germany

Worst States
1. Saudi Arabia
2. Afghanistan
3. UAE

Drinking in Czech is great. No last call, if you can find a shop open they can sell it 7 days a week, plus the majority are atheist, so you don't get the 'closed on Sundays' BS.


About the same as most of Asia, ;)
 
2013-12-07 07:05:51 AM

phrawgh: About the same as most of Asia, ;)


Why does America hate free enterprise?
 
2013-12-07 07:07:06 AM
Pennsylvania have some messed up beer laws but really good beers
 
2013-12-07 07:17:36 AM

doczoidberg: What I'm seeing here is that the worst places are ones that are overly liberal, or overly conservative.

Huh. Funny. It seems to work that way with just about everything. It seems that BOTH sides of the political spectrum are primarily interested in controlling the actions of others, just in different ways, and the more extreme you get, the shiattier the results.

I'll stay in middle of the road Michigan for the time being.


It seems that, at least where drinking is concerned, conservatives are at least capable of change.  From Michigan here also, not too far from one of the most conservative towns in existence: Zeeland.  It wasn't all that long ago and Zeeland was totally dry.  The state even passed a law known as the Zeeland Law that allowed municipalities to refuse to allow holders of valid state liquor licenses to do business in their town.  After several tries, the locals who wanted to be able to buy a beer in town finally got a ballot proposal passed, albeit by the narrowest of margins.  It wasn't long and a local pizza joint started serving beer and wine.  Business boomed and has been ever since.  Now, there's a liquor store, a couple other restaurants with liquor licenses and now I understand that there is or will soon be a microbrewery right in the city limits.

One of the things I think they've done right is that, while the city fathers have accepted the fact that beer, wine, and liquor are there to stay, they're pretty vigilant about drunk driving and not afraid to throw the book at perps.  Since they have a reputation for that, folks have a tendency to be pretty responsible.  I don't live there but I understand that even after the liberalization of liquor laws, there has never been an alcohol related fatality in that town.
 
2013-12-07 07:19:29 AM

Cajnik: phrawgh: About the same as most of Asia, ;)

Why does America hate free enterprise?


free enterprise for Wall St to run unchecked = Good
free enterprise to let retailers and demand determine what they sell = Good
free enterprise for the same retailers and people to buy alcohol, tobacco, firearms = BAD
 
2013-12-07 07:42:33 AM
I know that Pennsylvania has farked up liquor laws, but I didn't expect my state to be in the top 3 worst.

Going out later to do my holiday booze shopping - in Delaware.  It's sooo much easier and much cheaper.
 
2013-12-07 07:44:06 AM

SquiggsIN: Cajnik: phrawgh: About the same as most of Asia, ;)

Why does America hate free enterprise?

free enterprise for Wall St to run unchecked = Good
free enterprise to let retailers and demand determine what they sell = Good
free enterprise for the same retailers and people to buy alcohol, tobacco, firearms = BAD


It's all about control and taxes.  Whatever we permit the government to define as some kind of controlled substance can be taxed.  Look at cigarettes.  Do you honestly believe that any politician gives a rip about health issues around smoking or about whether or not smoking occurs?  Look at cigarette taxes at the federal and state levels and look at the amount of money generated by the tobacco settlement and the amount of money raked in by a few law firms before you answer that.    Then look at tax revenues from beer, wine, and liquor sales at ever level of government.  Always follow the money.
 
2013-12-07 07:46:05 AM
Oh look, another thread where people biatch about living in PA because they can't go out to some liquor stores on a Sunday or can't get their six-pack of their favorite obscure beer because most six-pack sales are from bars.
 
2013-12-07 08:05:24 AM

Witness99: bigpeeler: You can't swing a dead cat in Missouri without hitting a drunk. It's great here.

I live in Missouri but work in Kansas...it's like crossing into another country. Not only do you have to buy liquor at an actual liquor store, but they can't even sell sodas or mixers in the same store. Gas stations, convenience marts, supermarkets and Walmart don't sell it - it's the freakin most inconvenient thing ever. I have to use my phone and GPS to find a liquor store on that side and they're always hidden away in a strange place.


To say nothing of the bars themselves. I don't think a "bar", as we understand the term in the rest of the civilized world, exists anywhere in the state of Kansas.
 
2013-12-07 08:25:33 AM
Best drinking states:

1) Gentle buzz
2) Giddy inebriation
3) Drunken stupor

Worst drinking states:

1) Surly drunk
2) Black twirlies
3) Hitting on your bosses girlfriend at the Christmas party
 
2013-12-07 08:28:59 AM
US states are barely worthy of a discussion except for Utah.  It would have been much more entertaining to talk about the best and words countries.
 
2013-12-07 08:44:00 AM
My wife loved it when I turned 21. We went across the border to Wisconsin so she could drink too. We weren't asked for a license or anything, just flashed the rings.
 
2013-12-07 08:44:26 AM
I'd drink too if I had to live in Missouri
 
2013-12-07 08:44:54 AM
Former MA Resident here. It's improved, the idiotic blue laws have been dialed back a bit. People sure do love their alcohol, and in Southie, it's a daily staple.

As for MD: Wut? The Giant around the corner from me sells hooch and beer in a fantastically huge and epic aisle we call 'the world of booze'. And they're open til 11.
 
2013-12-07 08:54:46 AM

Jamieboy: I know that Pennsylvania has farked up liquor laws, but I didn't expect my state to be in the top 3 worst.

Going out later to do my holiday booze shopping - in Delaware.  It's sooo much easier and much cheaper.


The State Police Bureau of Liquor Control Enforcement conducted a Border Patrol detail at two Delaware malls looking for out-of-state residents purchasing alcohol and bringing it back into Pennsylvania.

According to police, the detail ran from 10 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. at Tri-State Liquors in the Tri-State Mall and at Total Wine and More in the Northtowne Plaza, both in Claymont.

Three summary citations were issued for illegal transportation of liquor into Pennsylvania.

Confiscated were 390 bottles of beer from the Tri-State Liquors location; and 123 bottles of wine, 15 bottles of liquor and 24 bottles of beer from the Total Wine and More location.

http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2013/05/27/region/doc51a406 c 714bfd607794266.txt?mobredir=false
 
2013-12-07 08:58:00 AM

August11: Connecticut is coming 'round, though. We can now buy booze on Sundays.

Was anyone else disturbed by the article's poor title, its vague quality? A better title might have been "The top three states with the most liberal alcohol consumption laws and their three opposites" or something like that. "Best" and "worst" Time magazine? Really?


Nor in grocery stores. When I go to Florida or California and go into a grocery store and they have a big stack of gallon jugs of vodka on display I always have an "oh screw Connecticut" moment. Then I realize I'm in Florida or California and I get over that pretty fast.
 
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