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2013-12-06 09:08:46 PM
The beer police... Dog's chompin' me on the leg
The beer police... They confiscated my keg
The beer police... They're coming to arrest me, oh, no....
 
2013-12-06 09:20:51 PM
Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.
 
2013-12-06 09:54:53 PM

Stone Meadow: Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.


Why shouldn't it be? I mean, really, she drove to meet the guy on government roads, in a car that was required to meet safety standards so it didn't blow up on her. She was able to buy the agricultural products to brew it safely and cheaply thanks to the FDA. She was able to do it in a home that wasn't taken over by a local warlord thanks to a strong federal government. She probably brewed it using tap water that isn't contaminated with unsafe level of heavy metals or toxic pollutants that aren't destroyed by boiling.

I share the stuff I brew with guests in my home and friends, and I don't see a problem with it. But she was selling it to a complete stranger in a parking lot after advertising it online. She's competing directly with craft brewers that play by the rules, and stopping that is a legitimate use of police power.
 
2013-12-06 10:07:25 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Stone Meadow: Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.

Why shouldn't it be? I mean, really, she drove to meet the guy on government roads, in a car that was required to meet safety standards so it didn't blow up on her. She was able to buy the agricultural products to brew it safely and cheaply thanks to the FDA. She was able to do it in a home that wasn't taken over by a local warlord thanks to a strong federal government. She probably brewed it using tap water that isn't contaminated with unsafe level of heavy metals or toxic pollutants that aren't destroyed by boiling.

I share the stuff I brew with guests in my home and friends, and I don't see a problem with it. But she was selling it to a complete stranger in a parking lot after advertising it online. She's competing directly with craft brewers that play by the rules, and stopping that is a legitimate use of police power.


I don't even if that comment is pro or con. It's just stupid for the sake of being stupid
 
2013-12-06 10:07:50 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Stone Meadow: Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.

Why shouldn't it be? I mean, really, she drove to meet the guy on government roads, in a car that was required to meet safety standards so it didn't blow up on her. She was able to buy the agricultural products to brew it safely and cheaply thanks to the FDA. She was able to do it in a home that wasn't taken over by a local warlord thanks to a strong federal government. She probably brewed it using tap water that isn't contaminated with unsafe level of heavy metals or toxic pollutants that aren't destroyed by boiling.

I share the stuff I brew with guests in my home and friends, and I don't see a problem with it. But she was selling it to a complete stranger in a parking lot after advertising it online. She's competing directly with craft brewers that play by the rules, and stopping that is a legitimate use of police power.


Uh...I think we're violently agreeing here.

*heads to fridge for another beer*
 
2013-12-06 10:08:50 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Stone Meadow: Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.

Why shouldn't it be? I mean, really, she drove to meet the guy on government roads, in a car that was required to meet safety standards so it didn't blow up on her. She was able to buy the agricultural products to brew it safely and cheaply thanks to the FDA. She was able to do it in a home that wasn't taken over by a local warlord thanks to a strong federal government. She probably brewed it using tap water that isn't contaminated with unsafe level of heavy metals or toxic pollutants that aren't destroyed by boiling.

I share the stuff I brew with guests in my home and friends, and I don't see a problem with it. But she was selling it to a complete stranger in a parking lot after advertising it online. She's competing directly with craft brewers that play by the rules, and stopping that is a legitimate use of police power.


she didn't make the beer, she bought craft beer that was in demand, or came about it some other way, and then was reselling it in a parking lot at more than twice the retail price.

she was bootlegging. and a dumbass
 
2013-12-06 10:25:18 PM
God damn.

Even the COPS in Vermont are hipster-rific.
 
2013-12-06 10:31:50 PM
Moonshine is moonshine.
 
2013-12-06 10:41:58 PM
What's controversial about this? It's the Department of Liquor Control. Busting illegal sales of alcohol is their job.
 
2013-12-06 10:57:29 PM

Bucky Katt: Moonshine is moonshine.


I don't always drink black market hooch, but when I do, I prefer paint thinner.
 
2013-12-06 11:39:09 PM
Members of Beer Advocate, Rate Beer, the homebrewers association, etc. do this all the time, they swap bottles through the post, identified as yeast samples or just shipped as something else. Then they write reviews and vote on the best beers in America, inevitably it is always some IIPA that is only produced in small batches and available to a very limited market. I swear if I ever start a brewery I'll have some friends running an illegal interstate bottle swap on those websites to overhype my product and brand.
 
2013-12-06 11:50:23 PM
Billy Goggins thinks he's Elliot Farkin Ness when it comes to alcohol.
That being said, selling Heady Topper on Craig's List is the "Dividing by Zero" of crimes.

/Knows Billy
//Doesn't drink crap
///I'm underthecoversinVermont
 
2013-12-06 11:51:02 PM
"If you drink enough alcohol in a night you can go out and kill somebody,"

Amateurs. I can go out and kill somebody without any beer at all.
 
Oak
2013-12-06 11:51:39 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Stone Meadow: Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.

Why shouldn't it be? I mean, really, she drove to meet the guy on government roads, in a car that was required to meet safety standards so it didn't blow up on her. She was able to buy the agricultural products to brew it safely and cheaply thanks to the FDA. She was able to do it in a home that wasn't taken over by a local warlord thanks to a strong federal government. She probably brewed it using tap water that isn't contaminated with unsafe level of heavy metals or toxic pollutants that aren't destroyed by boiling.

I share the stuff I brew with guests in my home and friends, and I don't see a problem with it. But she was selling it to a complete stranger in a parking lot after advertising it online. She's competing directly with craft brewers that play by the rules, and stopping that is a legitimate use of police power.


The Fatherland must FEED
 
2013-12-06 11:57:02 PM
Everyone likes an easy day at the office, even the cops.
 
2013-12-06 11:57:51 PM
FTA :

In addition to regulating tax revenue for the state, selling alcohol comes with a great deal of responsibility, according to Goggins.

"If you drink enough alcohol in a night you can go out and kill somebody," he said



Well, alright!
 
2013-12-06 11:58:34 PM
Only one man can solve this:

popshifter.com
 
2013-12-07 12:00:21 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Stone Meadow: Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.

Why shouldn't it be? I mean, really, she drove to meet the guy on government roads, in a car that was required to meet safety standards so it didn't blow up on her. She was able to buy the agricultural products to brew it safely and cheaply thanks to the FDA. She was able to do it in a home that wasn't taken over by a local warlord thanks to a strong federal government. She probably brewed it using tap water that isn't contaminated with unsafe level of heavy metals or toxic pollutants that aren't destroyed by boiling.

I share the stuff I brew with guests in my home and friends, and I don't see a problem with it. But she was selling it to a complete stranger in a parking lot after advertising it online. She's competing directly with craft brewers that play by the rules, and stopping that is a legitimate use of police power.


You should do a little research on how little the feds actually inspect food products.  It's almost entirely self compliance.  Meaning, "we pinky swear our food is clean and safe."

However, you should be proud of yourself for being such a fine example of the perfect sheep who wouldn't even fart without the proper government papers.
 
2013-12-07 12:00:57 AM

violentsalvation: Members of Beer Advocate, Rate Beer, the homebrewers association, etc. do this all the time, they swap bottles through the post, identified as yeast samples or just shipped as something else. Then they write reviews and vote on the best beers in America, inevitably it is always some IIPA that is only produced in small batches and available to a very limited market. I swear if I ever start a brewery I'll have some friends running an illegal interstate bottle swap on those websites to overhype my product and brand.


Which is ridiculous, as you correctly point out. I'm fine with the idea of beer geeks trading beer-for-beer at approximate cost of acquisition, especially for beers that were meant for aging (yo, w00tstout!). I'm not so OK with auction pricing. (yo, peeps reselling US-released Westy 12 when its brewers and distributors mutually went to outrageous lengths to make that not happen, it's for sharing, not resale.)

But some beers weren't meant for aging. To those who would pay up for an IPA of dubious provenance, you deserve what you get. At least in the case of Heady Topper it's in a can, so you don't have to worry about provenance. The Pliny the Younger situation is madness. That growler of so-called Pliny could contain anything, and if you're willing to pay triple-digits for it, why not spend the money on an airline ticket, come to where it's brewed, and either stand in line with the rest of us for a growler fill, or find a pub in the general vicinity (read: within 100 miles, there are several, they just don't advertise) that get a keg of it, and drink it on tap, knowing that you got the correct beer, in good condition, at a fair price. What's the worst that could happen, you might find other beers that you like while you're at the bar?
 
2013-12-07 12:01:49 AM
Speaking of Vermont black market beer, I miss Catamount Porter.

*sigh*
 
2013-12-07 12:05:47 AM
So it wasn't enough comments in the Geek tab about this
 
2013-12-07 12:18:14 AM
 thebanditrunphotos.com

At least now we have a plot for another Smokey and the Bandit, what w/ them selling Coors in the East now.
 
2013-12-07 12:21:53 AM
Doesn't surprise me. Heady Topper is serious business here.
/And for good reason
 
2013-12-07 12:27:54 AM
Meh, Heady Topper is ok, but I think it's more hype than anything.

/Oh look, another DIPA...
 
2013-12-07 12:33:30 AM

fusillade762: "If you drink enough alcohol in a night you can go out and kill somebody,"

Amateurs. I can go out and kill somebody without any beer at all.


I think I might join you...
 
2013-12-07 12:39:46 AM

Stone Meadow: Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.


That old saying "two things are for sure; death and taxes" will have another in a generation. Three things; death, taxes, and at some point in life everyone will have been arrested for something at least once.
 
2013-12-07 12:40:18 AM

Bucky Katt: Moonshine is moonshine.


While moonshine is indeed moonshine, beer is not moonshine.  Beer is beer.
 
2013-12-07 12:46:01 AM

Stone Meadow: Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.


The sick part?  These guys aren't dealers or employees or anything.  They're likely buying it from the local liquor store and reslling it that way.  The government has already gotten it's cut.  After that it's all scare tactics:  'What about the children" - Are YOU going to be paying black market prices to give kids beer?  "If somebody drinks too much they could kill somebody!!!" - Excuse me, somebody can get a lot drunker a lot cheaper than illegally sold craft beer.

And here I was hoping they were busting some home brewer for producing and selling illegally.  This stuff is commercially fine.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Why shouldn't it be? I mean, really, she drove to meet the guy on government roads, in a car that was required to meet safety standards so it didn't blow up on her. She was able to buy the agricultural products to brew it safely and cheaply thanks to the FDA. She was able to do it in a home that wasn't taken over by a local warlord thanks to a strong federal government. She probably brewed it using tap water that isn't contaminated with unsafe level of heavy metals or toxic pollutants that aren't destroyed by boiling.


*SNERK*  Know how I know you didn't read the article?  To obtain the product she drove her government regulated car to the government regulated store(probably grocery, maybe liquer), bought the 'produced in a government regulated brewery' and government taxed beer, then sold it.  Much like scalping, where the price the product is being sold at is insufficient to match production and demand(IE they're not producing enough to meet demand at that price.  Bump the prices 20%, use the money to bump production 20%, problem goes away, for the most part).

I'm a practical minarchist.  That means that I believe that some government regulation is good, but it shouldn't go overboard.  In my honest opinion somebody selling beer bought at retail to other adults at inflated prices isn't worth the time.  Now if she was canning her own without license, selling to minors, or doctoring the booze(misrepresenting the product) in any way, I'd be interested.
 
2013-12-07 12:55:48 AM
I'd love to sell my craft beer at the couple local bars near me.  They've expressed interest.  I just can't afford the $4k license in Ohio to sell craft beer, and the $15k in kitchen upgrades the local health inspector requires before they give me a license.

But hey I drive on roads and have a fire department so fair's fair.
 
2013-12-07 12:57:53 AM

Reverend J: Meh, Heady Topper is ok, but I think it's more hype than anything.

/Oh look, another DIPA...


Pliny the Elder was how I discovered I don't like DIPAs, back in the day, and I loathe TIPAs. There's something for everyone, some people absolutely love the syrupy sweetness of a double, and variety being the spice of life I'll grab one now and then. I figure I might as well be drinking molasses moonshine.

The best beer is the one in your hand, beyond that, it's whatever you feel like having.

/No, it's actually
untappd.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-12-07 01:21:22 AM

CruiserTwelve: What's controversial about this? It's the Department of Liquor Control. Busting illegal sales of alcohol is their job.


I think what bothers people (or myself at least) is that we don't think there should even be such a thing as 'illegal sales of alcohol'. But yeah, otherwise not controversial I guess.
 
2013-12-07 01:41:49 AM
We have a couple of guys who road trip to Vt. and stock up on as much Heady Topper and Hill Farmstead as they can. They bring it back to my store and we drink it. We don't sell it though. It would be illegal.
 
2013-12-07 01:49:23 AM
foxyshadis

The best beer is the one in your hand, beyond that, it's whatever you feel like having.

Hear hear!

Also, stop asking the bartender what his/her favorite is. If you're not adult enough to make your own decisions you shouldn't be in a bar.
 
2013-12-07 02:10:28 AM

CruiserTwelve: What's controversial about this? It's the Department of Liquor Control. Busting illegal sales of alcohol is their job.


Yeah, but that's bad because.
 
2013-12-07 02:13:32 AM

CaptainBeer: Also, stop asking the bartender what his/her favorite is. If you're not adult enough to make your own decisions you shouldn't be in a bar.


Given that I drink once a blue moon, I'd be asking from ignorance, not lack of decision making ability.  It'd be like asking the sever in a new restaurant what they like.  It's not like I have to go with what they say.
 
2013-12-07 03:41:23 AM
Good.  I am sick of these farker arseholes who buy up as much of a product like this as they can and then turn around and sell it at jacked up prices.
 
2013-12-07 04:04:16 AM
Was back in BTV the other day and couldn't find any Heady Topper.  I was told I had to try the stuff, but no luck.

Heard the brewers stopped supplying from their brewery as they were sick of the circus at their brewery (house).
 
2013-12-07 04:06:47 AM
blackmarketbrew.com
/hot bmb ripa
 
2013-12-07 04:08:39 AM
Firethorn:

If you only drink once in a blue moon, then you probably don't care what you're drinking anyhow. Also, do you get a menu when you go to these places once in a blue moon? Can you read?

I'm just saying that you should probably not trust the person serving you as they may have been hired that day and may not know shiat about what YOU want, let alone themselves.

Pick one. It won't kill you.
 
2013-12-07 06:20:25 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Stone Meadow: Selling alkihaul without giving the state goobermint its cut? Yeah, that's a jailin'.

Why shouldn't it be? I mean, really, she drove to meet the guy on government roads, in a car that was required to meet safety standards so it didn't blow up on her. She was able to buy the agricultural products to brew it safely and cheaply thanks to the FDA. She was able to do it in a home that wasn't taken over by a local warlord thanks to a strong federal government. She probably brewed it using tap water that isn't contaminated with unsafe level of heavy metals or toxic pollutants that aren't destroyed by boiling.

I share the stuff I brew with guests in my home and friends, and I don't see a problem with it. But she was selling it to a complete stranger in a parking lot after advertising it online. She's competing directly with craft brewers that play by the rules, and stopping that is a legitimate use of police power.


That last sentence is the problem. Instead of competing the corporate brewers use the Gestapo to shut down people who would dare compete on the free market
 
2013-12-07 07:56:04 AM
Mr. Banner

Waterbury needs you

Mayor Quimby
 
2013-12-07 08:04:17 AM

The Musky Scent Of Recent Male Completion: Was back in BTV the other day and couldn't find any Heady Topper.  I was told I had to try the stuff, but no luck.

Heard the brewers stopped supplying from their brewery as they were sick of the circus at their brewery (house).


I can confirm the circus aspect. I went to the Brewery buy some for friends in Utah (The black hole of good beer) and people were running from their cars to the store. LOTS of college kids, imagine that? But the vibe was as if they were handing out Bieber tickets to prepubescent girls.
People, It's beer, relax.
 
2013-12-07 09:06:18 AM

Firethorn:  Bump the prices 20%, use the money to bump production 20%, problem goes away, for the most part).


Nope. Production levels are fixed. They're not going to make more or charge more.
 
2013-12-07 09:12:22 AM

The Musky Scent Of Recent Male Completion: Was back in BTV the other day and couldn't find any Heady Topper.  I was told I had to try the stuff, but no luck.

Heard the brewers stopped supplying from their brewery as they were sick of the circus at their brewery (house).


CaptainBeer: We have a couple of guys who road trip to Vt. and stock up on as much Heady Topper and Hill Farmstead as they can. They bring it back to my store and we drink it. We don't sell it though. It would be illegal.


They stopped selling because too much of it was going out of state and the local bars were running out before the weekend was over. And yes, it was a circus. Oh, and it turns out the sales weren't licensed, but nobody's getting butthurt about it.

You need to do your shopping Wednesday morning in the BTV area. The Heady has always been sold out by Wed night, and that was *before* they shut down OTC sales at the cannery. Tuesday's run is for Wednesday local distribution to retail; the 3 other days of production go to local bars.
 
2013-12-07 09:18:49 AM

CaptainBeer: If you only drink once in a blue moon, then you probably don't care what you're drinking anyhow. Also, do you get a menu when you go to these places once in a blue moon? Can you read?


Generally yes, but not always.  I have some preferences, but in my case it'd be more of a conversation starter to make sure I'm not selecting something crazy for a 'newbie'.

I'm just saying that you should probably not trust the person serving you as they may have been hired that day and may not know shiat about what YOU want, let alone themselves.

Pick one. It won't kill you.


They don't train their servers?  Give them some advice on 'special of the day'?  Put them to work without even tasting some of the stuff they're serving?  Food OR drink, by the way.  And yes, I do pick one.  Generally without extensive conversation with the server, rather more with my fellow guests.  I find that I like my beers dark but without excessive hops.
 
2013-12-07 09:23:02 AM

fatbear: Nope. Production levels are fixed. They're not going to make more or charge more.


Then they have to put up with grey marketeers*.  Either raise the price more or increase production if you really want to stop this.

*I call it 'grey' because it's a legal product generally bought legally, just not legal for them to sell.
 
2013-12-07 09:24:29 AM

Twilight Farkle: That growler of so-called Pliny could contain anything, and if you're willing to pay triple-digits for it, why not spend the money on an airline ticket, come to where it's brewed, and either stand in line with the rest of us for a growler fill, or find a pub in the general vicinity (read: within 100 miles, there are several, they just don't advertise) that get a keg of it, and drink it on tap, knowing that you got the correct beer, in good condition, at a fair price.


The wife and I had several crisp Plinys in SF on our honeymoon and "smuggled" a small number of bottles back in our luggage. Even though we knew it was legit and when it was bottled, it was still better from the tap.

/yes that beer is legit
 
2013-12-07 09:38:04 AM

fatbear: The Musky Scent Of Recent Male Completion: Was back in BTV the other day and couldn't find any Heady Topper.  I was told I had to try the stuff, but no luck.

Heard the brewers stopped supplying from their brewery as they were sick of the circus at their brewery (house).

CaptainBeer: We have a couple of guys who road trip to Vt. and stock up on as much Heady Topper and Hill Farmstead as they can. They bring it back to my store and we drink it. We don't sell it though. It would be illegal.

They stopped selling because too much of it was going out of state and the local bars were running out before the weekend was over. And yes, it was a circus. Oh, and it turns out the sales weren't licensed, but nobody's getting butthurt about it.

You need to do your shopping Wednesday morning in the BTV area. The Heady has always been sold out by Wed night, and that was *before* they shut down OTC sales at the cannery. Tuesday's run is for Wednesday local distribution to retail; the 3 other days of production go to local bars.


Pro tip: Healthy Living Market has had a good stock the last two Friday evenings I've been there (as in multiple cases), and they've upped their per-person limit to a case since the retail location shut down. Natural Provisions in Williston always has some on Wednesdays (limit 2 four-packs per).
 
2013-12-07 09:49:52 AM

Mr. Chainsaw: fatbear: The Musky Scent Of Recent Male Completion: Was back in BTV the other day and couldn't find any Heady Topper.  I was told I had to try the stuff, but no luck.

Heard the brewers stopped supplying from their brewery as they were sick of the circus at their brewery (house).

CaptainBeer: We have a couple of guys who road trip to Vt. and stock up on as much Heady Topper and Hill Farmstead as they can. They bring it back to my store and we drink it. We don't sell it though. It would be illegal.

They stopped selling because too much of it was going out of state and the local bars were running out before the weekend was over. And yes, it was a circus. Oh, and it turns out the sales weren't licensed, but nobody's getting butthurt about it.

You need to do your shopping Wednesday morning in the BTV area. The Heady has always been sold out by Wed night, and that was *before* they shut down OTC sales at the cannery. Tuesday's run is for Wednesday local distribution to retail; the 3 other days of production go to local bars.

Pro tip: Healthy Living Market has had a good stock the last two Friday evenings I've been there (as in multiple cases), and they've upped their per-person limit to a case since the retail location shut down. Natural Provisions in Williston always has some on Wednesdays (limit 2 four-packs per).


I go to NP when I'm also stopping by Home Depot. If it's after 5, they're usually out. Wealthy Living has too much traffic in the area for my tastes.
 
2013-12-07 09:55:16 AM
CruiserTwelve [TotalFark]


What's controversial about this? It's the Department of Liquor Control. Busting illegal sales of alcohol is their job.
it is a good thing that the Vaterland has plenty of men willing to just follow orders.
 
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