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(HelenaIR.com)   Montana was colder than the South Pole yesterday, pipes froze and burst at the state Capitol, schools declined to close, the U of M hosts some poor bastard football team from the Carolinas tomorrow--and it's not even cold yet   (helenair.com) divider line 170
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2013-12-06 04:36:49 PM  
To be fair, it IS the height of summer in the south pole.
 
2013-12-06 04:47:09 PM  

SurfaceTension: To be fair, it IS the height of summer in the south pole.


Winter hasnt even started yet here
 
2013-12-06 04:52:41 PM  

SlothB77: SurfaceTension: To be fair, it IS the height of summer in the south pole.

Winter hasnt even started yet here


Is it coming?
 
2013-12-06 05:25:50 PM  

SurfaceTension: To be fair, it IS the height of summer in the south pole.


Not quite height of summer, but the equivalent of early June.
 
2013-12-06 05:28:51 PM  

ArkAngel: SlothB77: SurfaceTension: To be fair, it IS the height of summer in the south pole.

Winter hasnt even started yet here

Is it coming?


You know nothing, Jon Snow.
 
2013-12-06 05:29:25 PM  
WTF Obama! Really?
 
2013-12-06 05:31:05 PM  
Boss left for Vegas yesterday "to get warm".

34 degrees here in SE Alaska this morning, 25 degrees there.

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2013-12-06 05:31:09 PM  
It's cold as hell here in Missoula right now. Just walking between classes was miserable. Wind chill sucks.
 
2013-12-06 05:33:54 PM  
www.ibiblio.org

Still wants to live there anyway.
 
2013-12-06 05:35:36 PM  
I watched a documentary called "Happy People" last night about a village in the middle of Siberia. Its -50 C on a lot of days and at one part the narrator states that its unseasonably warm and a balmy -33 C. All through this, these Russians are just out trapping and fishing like it no big deal. They are catching fish and when they get them home and theyre frozen hard as a rock.

Meanwhile I curled up in my blanket and drank my hot coco and grumbled that it was 32 F outside.

/dont like cold.
 
2013-12-06 05:36:26 PM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: It's cold as hell here in Missoula right now. Just walking between classes was miserable. Wind chill sucks.


When I lived in San Francisco, I tried to explain to the people that always lived there the concepts of "wind chill", "snow drifts" and "too cold to snow". The last one particularly took awhile for them to understand. Lucky bastards.

Around November is when I start regretting my decision to move back to Chicago.
 
2013-12-06 05:36:49 PM  
'poor bastard team from Carolinas'  checks hoping it's App State, sadly finds Coastal Carolina, who I am sure are used to temperatures getting down into the 40's from time to time.
 
2013-12-06 05:39:47 PM  
FTAOnce temperatures dipped to minus 12 degrees overnight, it froze the water in the pipes and they expanded and burst.

Only -12?  Wimps.  Try -40 in Outer Mongolia.

Admittedly, it's very dry, which probably makes it FEEL a lot less cold.

Then again, how much humidity CAN the air have at -40 degrees?
 
2013-12-06 05:41:20 PM  
Only 81 here today and it sucks because my pool is still too cold.

The overnight low was 65. Do I need to get a heater for it? Do those solar ones work?
 
2013-12-06 05:41:45 PM  

ciberido: FTA:  Once temperatures dipped to minus 12 degrees overnight, it froze the water in the pipes and they expanded and burst.

Only -12?  Wimps.  Try -40 in Outer Mongolia.

Admittedly, it's very dry, which probably makes it FEEL a lot less cold.

Then again, how much humidity CAN the air have at -40 degrees?


We got that: Coldest temperature ever recorded in Montana.
 
2013-12-06 05:44:31 PM  

Swoop1809: I watched a documentary called "Happy People" last night about a village in the middle of Siberia. Its -50 C on a lot of days and at one part the narrator states that its unseasonably warm and a balmy -33 C. All through this, these Russians are just out trapping and fishing like it no big deal. They are catching fish and when they get them home and theyre frozen hard as a rock.

Meanwhile I curled up in my blanket and drank my hot coco and grumbled that it was 32 F outside.

/dont like cold.


The perception of cold depends on a number of factors, including wind, humidity, and the density of air.  Dry, still, thin air doesn't have much power to suck heat out of your body, so it doesn't feel as cold as you would expect from the number alone.  Also, even a very thin layer of clothing (as opposed to skin directly exposed to the air) can make a very big difference.  So assuming you were dressed appropriately and the air was thin and still, you might not find -50 that miserable.

The trick seems to be to cover absolutely every part of your body, including your eyes (with goggles or glasses or whatever).
 
2013-12-06 05:45:01 PM  

I Like Shiny Things: WTF Obama! Really?


Dude, clearly Obama has defeated Global Warming, because it's cold.

Thanks Obama!
 
2013-12-06 05:45:14 PM  
So it's been known that there is an unheated vestibule area that will freeze, and the solution to that problem has been that somebody in the know is to leave interior doors to that space open.

That person was not there.
 
2013-12-06 05:45:50 PM  

Swoop1809: I watched a documentary called "Happy People" last night about a village in the middle of Siberia. Its -50 C on a lot of days and at one part the narrator states that its unseasonably warm and a balmy -33 C. All through this, these Russians are just out trapping and fishing like it no big deal. They are catching fish and when they get them home and theyre frozen hard as a rock.

Meanwhile I curled up in my blanket and drank my hot coco and grumbled that it was 32 F outside.

/dont like cold.


The only thing I hate more than the cold is when I'm around people that don't look or act like they're cold. As I'm wrapping my scarf around my face 8 times and leaning into the wind, they're walking around with open jackets like it's 50 degrees out. What the hell?
 
2013-12-06 05:46:08 PM  
"temperatures dipped to minus 12 degrees overnight"

*looks at thermometer, gets jealous*

It's -15 here (Edmonton) right now, was -27 last night. Forecast low tonight of -33.

/yes those temps are in Fahrenheit
//grew up using both
///my point is...it's farking cold
 
2013-12-06 05:46:20 PM  
Who cares? Everything between NYC and California is devoid of life anyway. Other than Austin and Chicago the middle part of the country is a virtual wasteland. Everything west of Hoboken and east of Palm Springs is full of tea bagging gun nuts who wouldn't know the difference between quinoa and gluten-free brown rice if their Caterpillar hats depended upon it.
 
2013-12-06 05:46:25 PM  
Is this where we have to buy back those Global Warming Credits from Al to stay warm?
 
2013-12-06 05:46:39 PM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: It's cold as hell here in Missoula right now. Just walking between classes was miserable. Wind chill sucks.


Here's a shout-out from Helena. I went to UM way back when. "Missoula: A place... sort of."
 
2013-12-06 05:48:09 PM  
UofM tight end Clat Pierson has a way to prepare for the gametime weather. (Sorry for bigness)

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-06 05:48:18 PM  
I tried taking pictures outside at -40 once.  The liquid crystals in the camera's display started to freeze, and the zoom motor was struggling, but I managed to get some.
 
2013-12-06 05:48:43 PM  

ciberido: The perception of cold depends on a number of factors, including wind, humidity, and the density of air. Dry, still, thin air doesn't have much power to suck heat out of your body, so it doesn't feel as cold as you would expect from the number alone. Also, even a very thin layer of clothing (as opposed to skin directly exposed to the air) can make a very big difference. So assuming you were dressed appropriately and the air was thin and still, you might not find -50 that miserable.


Can speak from experience there....-20F at 12,000 feet in southern CO, with no wind, in full sun, is actually not bad. What sucks is inhaling while you're skinning uphill, which does cause your nostrils to burn and gives you one hell of a brain freeze.
 
2013-12-06 05:50:29 PM  
Poor Coastal Carolina....hailing from Myrtle Beach, SC and they're playing in 4' weather...
 
2013-12-06 05:50:59 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Swoop1809: I watched a documentary called "Happy People" last night about a village in the middle of Siberia. Its -50 C on a lot of days and at one part the narrator states that its unseasonably warm and a balmy -33 C. All through this, these Russians are just out trapping and fishing like it no big deal. They are catching fish and when they get them home and theyre frozen hard as a rock.

Meanwhile I curled up in my blanket and drank my hot coco and grumbled that it was 32 F outside.

/dont like cold.

The only thing I hate more than the cold is when I'm around people that don't look or act like they're cold. As I'm wrapping my scarf around my face 8 times and leaning into the wind, they're walking around with open jackets like it's 50 degrees out. What the hell?


-9f this morning, 15 mph breeze, MN, 60yo guy walks out of door, arms full of packages, walks 500 yards(three parking lots away) to his car.
Wearing just shirtsleeves.
You pansies!
 
2013-12-06 05:51:14 PM  
It was 0 here in Lincoln when I woke up. I guess it could be worse.
 
2013-12-06 05:51:16 PM  

nickdaisy: Who cares? Everything between NYC and California is devoid of life anyway. Other than Austin and Chicago the middle part of the country is a virtual wasteland. Everything west of Hoboken and east of Palm Springs is full of tea bagging gun nuts who wouldn't know the difference between quinoa and gluten-free brown rice if their Caterpillar hats depended upon it.


At a forum I used to manage, someone referred to Montana as fly-over country. I pointed out that it's fly-to country for a long list of glitterati from both coasts.
 
2013-12-06 05:53:22 PM  
Welcome to the North, biatches.
 
2013-12-06 05:53:59 PM  
Well, there goes the dental floss crop.
 
2013-12-06 05:54:56 PM  

ciberido: The perception of cold depends on a number of factors, including wind, humidity, and the density of air.  Dry, still, thin air doesn't have much power to suck heat out of your body, so it doesn't feel as cold as you would expect from the number alone.  Also, even a very thin layer of clothing (as opposed to skin directly exposed to the air) can make a very big difference.  So assuming you were dressed appropriately and the air was thin and still, you might not find -50 that miserable.


All true, but what you're used to also comes into play.  I moved from a place where summer heat can hit 110+ and it rarely got down in the 30s to a place where it hit negative temps the last 2 nights in a row and it's 10 right now.  It took a few years, but I'm a bit more used to it now.  Anything below 10 is still farking cold though.
 
2013-12-06 05:56:08 PM  

a particular individual: nickdaisy: Who cares? Everything between NYC and California is devoid of life anyway. Other than Austin and Chicago the middle part of the country is a virtual wasteland. Everything west of Hoboken and east of Palm Springs is full of tea bagging gun nuts who wouldn't know the difference between quinoa and gluten-free brown rice if their Caterpillar hats depended upon it.

At a forum I used to manage, someone referred to Montana as fly-over country. I pointed out that it's fly-to country for a long list of glitterati from both coasts.


Meh, not much for Montana myself. I've flown there, and IMHO, I'll be flying over it next time.
 
2013-12-06 05:56:18 PM  
This is why I want a 16-team playoff for college football, with home field advantage for the first round.  C'mon, Georgia!  Play in Iowa in December.  Let's have USC play in the horseshoe.
 
2013-12-06 05:58:20 PM  

hotrod2001: Poor Coastal Carolina....hailing from Myrtle Beach, SC and they're playing in 4' weather...


What does four feet of weather look like?
 
2013-12-06 05:58:23 PM  
Our Helena schools close for nothing! Except perhaps when a train explodes and knocks out power to most of the town.
 
2013-12-06 05:59:26 PM  

Ambitwistor: I tried taking pictures outside at -40 once.  The liquid crystals in the camera's display started to freeze, and the zoom motor was struggling, but I managed to get some.



The battery won't last long either.  A good trick is to put it in a pocket until you need it.
 
2013-12-06 06:00:01 PM  
friend of mine worked on an airbase in alaska, somewhere way up north.  Some of the new guys would sit on the hanger and take their lunch break.  The new guys didn't know exactly how dry the air was, and wanted to play a prank on my friend: dropped a full canister of coffee on his head from the top of the hanger.  That was the plan, at least.  The coffee evaporated before it hit the half-way point of the hanger.  My friend knew what they were up to, so he just sate there looking at them while they pulled the second cannister of coffee and dumped that one too.  Same effect.  My friend just stood there laughing.

/who he pissed off to get that tour of duty, he never said
//free flights to singapore and japan for R&R, though
 
2013-12-06 06:00:20 PM  

IC Stars: Our Helena schools close for nothing! Except perhaps when a train explodes and knocks out power to most of the town.


I was living in Havre that winter. High temp for two weeks was -40. I don't miss living there.

/I live in Helena now. Pleased to meet ya.
 
2013-12-06 06:00:32 PM  

LoneDoggie: 'poor bastard team from Carolinas'  checks hoping it's App State, sadly finds Coastal Carolina, who I am sure are used to temperatures getting down into the 40's from time to time.


App State is in the mountains of North Carolina. They actually experience winter.

Coastal Carolina is just outside of Myrtle Beach. They likely have alligators on campus. CC will hate real winter.
 
2013-12-06 06:00:46 PM  
Just picked my kid up at school.  -13 with wind chills hitting -30.

When I was growing up in Billings, they only cancelled school twice . . . February 2nd, 1989 when the raw temp was -28.1 and the wind chills were hovering around -60 to -70, and May 19th, 1980 when Mt. Saint Helens covered us with ash.

-13 is nothing,

/csb
 
2013-12-06 06:00:58 PM  
"Once temperatures dipped to minus 12 degrees overnight, it froze the water in the pipes and they expanded and burst."

Hm. I was wondering what caused that. Expansion. Lern sumthin new ever day.

It's also up to a practically balmy 24 here. Lots of sun today.
 
2013-12-06 06:02:25 PM  

inglixthemad: a particular individual: nickdaisy: Who cares? Everything between NYC and California is devoid of life anyway. Other than Austin and Chicago the middle part of the country is a virtual wasteland. Everything west of Hoboken and east of Palm Springs is full of tea bagging gun nuts who wouldn't know the difference between quinoa and gluten-free brown rice if their Caterpillar hats depended upon it.

At a forum I used to manage, someone referred to Montana as fly-over country. I pointed out that it's fly-to country for a long list of glitterati from both coasts.

Meh, not much for Montana myself. I've flown there, and IMHO, I'll be flying over it next time.


Fine with me, but if you spend enough time on the ground, in the mountains, watching sunsets, rafting, hiking, you'll see why people pay so much to live here.

Then there's the cold. Do we have any Farkers in San Diego with a couch I can surf on till this shiat is over?
 
2013-12-06 06:02:48 PM  
Stabone33
 Can speak from experience there....-20F at 12,000 feet in southern CO, with no wind, in full sun, is actually not bad. What sucks is inhaling while you're skinning uphill, which does cause your nostrils to burn and gives you one hell of a brain freeze.

http://arcteryx.com/product.aspx?language=EN&gender=Mens&category=Ac ce ssories&model=Rho-AR-Balaclava

Just sayin'.
 
2013-12-06 06:04:43 PM  

MontanaDave: IC Stars: Our Helena schools close for nothing! Except perhaps when a train explodes and knocks out power to most of the town.

I was living in Havre that winter. High temp for two weeks was -40. I don't miss living there.

/I live in Helena now. Pleased to meet ya.


Yo! I'm over on the west side. Lived here on and off since 1976. Capital High, class of '82.
 
2013-12-06 06:05:21 PM  

a particular individual: At a forum I used to manage, someone referred to Montana as fly-over country. I pointed out that it's fly-to country for a long list of glitterati from both coasts.

Meh, not much for Montana myself. I've flown there, and IMHO, I'll be flying over it next time.

Fine with me, but if you spend enough time on the ground, in the mountains, watching sunsets, rafting, hiking, you'll see why people pay so much to live here.

Then there's the cold. Do we have any Farkers in San Diego with a couch I can surf on till this shiat is over?


Most Montanans are OK with this.  If we had our way, you would fly over, and keep flying.  The coasts are no place for civilized folk.
 
2013-12-06 06:05:57 PM  

ElLoco: "Once temperatures dipped to minus 12 degrees overnight, it froze the water in the pipes and they expanded and burst."

Hm. I was wondering what caused that. Expansion. Lern sumthin new ever day.

It's also up to a practically balmy 24 here. Lots of sun today.



A lot of times it'll be a valve that fails or becomes damaged.  Sometimes it won't break until you go to turn it.

I've had an outdoor faucet, a toilet valve and kitchen water supply all go this way.
 
2013-12-06 06:06:31 PM  
I don't miss the north much. 81 here today in Raleigh. Awesome.
 
2013-12-06 06:07:41 PM  

MontanaDave: IC Stars: Our Helena schools close for nothing! Except perhaps when a train explodes and knocks out power to most of the town.

I was living in Havre that winter. High temp for two weeks was -40. I don't miss living there.

/I live in Helena now. Pleased to meet ya.


I was a Bozemaniac at the time. -40 with a wind chill of between -50 and -70 (at the time the radio wags were claiming -100, but come on). Of course that's when the furnace died and the car was frozen so I had to walk a couple of miles to buy a space heater. I didn't fully thaw for three years, or so it felt.

/Old home week
 
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