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(Sports Illustrated)   Turns out, there is someone dumb enough to give Robinson Cano a 10-year, $240 million contract, and incredibly it isn't the Yankees   (tracking.si.com) divider line 149
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2013-12-06 12:23:33 PM
I have no doubt he will be at least as productive as Percy Harvin has been for the Seahawks.
 
2013-12-06 12:26:51 PM
Don't care. This is the first time in years the Mariner's front office has shown any actual desire to maybe do something to help the team (except re-sign Felix and stumblef*ck into Iwakuma). I'm pleased as punch.
 
2013-12-06 12:43:41 PM
The Mariners rival the Marlins for the "Worst-Run Franchise in MLB" title.

Shame Us: Don't care. This is the first time in years the Mariner's front office has shown any actual desire to maybe do something to help the team (except re-sign Felix and stumblef*ck into Iwakuma). I'm pleased as punch.


Saddling their team with a $240 million contract to one player on the wrong side of 30 is quite unlikely to actually help the Mariners. Unless they deal for two more bats and a #1-2 starting pitcher, they'll still be struggling for third place in the AL West. So they're paying a premium for Cano's age 37-41 seasons in order to not even compete this year.

The first thing Seattle can do to help their team is fire their GM.
 
2013-12-06 12:52:56 PM

Cagey B: The Mariners rival the Marlins for the "Worst-Run Franchise in MLB" title.

Shame Us: Don't care. This is the first time in years the Mariner's front office has shown any actual desire to maybe do something to help the team (except re-sign Felix and stumblef*ck into Iwakuma). I'm pleased as punch.

Saddling their team with a $240 million contract to one player on the wrong side of 30 is quite unlikely to actually help the Mariners. Unless they deal for two more bats and a #1-2 starting pitcher, they'll still be struggling for third place in the AL West. So they're paying a premium for Cano's age 37-41 seasons in order to not even compete this year.

The first thing Seattle can do to help their team is fire their GM.


The Mariners have a #1 and a #2 already. I give literally zero f*cks how big the checks the teams writes are. Your team "overpaying" for a guy in baseball should be the furthest thing from a fan's mind.

I agree that as it sits, they shouldn't be contenders this season, even with Cano. I'm just glad they actually did something. The last few years have been a master course in how to not give a f*ck about your team's production on the field. I don't fully blame Jack Z either. The ownership hamstrings the front office and the CEO/President are horrible too.
 
2013-12-06 01:25:08 PM
It's ok, he'll be back with the Yankees in 5 years.
 
2013-12-06 01:36:18 PM
If the Mariners are inactive in the rest of the offseason, this was a horrible signing.
 
2013-12-06 01:37:57 PM
Been a rough few days with me and Seattle sports franchises, lol.  I love your music of the late 80s and early 90s, I don't know what the problem is.
 
2013-12-06 01:42:35 PM

robsul82: Been a rough few days with me and Seattle sports franchises, lol.  I love your music of the late 80s and early 90s, I don't know what the problem is.


It has been seriously crazy around here with everything happening the last few days. Heads are exploding. Brains and latte and sports-induced jizz are flowing in the streets. And 1/3 of every office environment has no clue why everyone else is freaking out. And the soccer people are crying tears of defeat and sadness.
 
2013-12-06 02:02:11 PM
Cano and Granderson gone.

Lots of money left to sign multi-year broadcasting extensions with Susyn Waldmen and John Kay!!!
 
2013-12-06 02:03:28 PM

Shame Us: Your team "overpaying" for a guy in baseball should be the furthest thing from a fan's mind.


If your team had an infinite budget, or if that player was capable of getting the team to the playoffs by himself, this would be true. But be realistic: if your team overpays for one player, it means they won't be willing to spend as much to get anyone else.
 
2013-12-06 02:03:32 PM

Cagey B: The Mariners rival the Marlins for the "Worst-Run Franchise in MLB" title.

Shame Us: Don't care. This is the first time in years the Mariner's front office has shown any actual desire to maybe do something to help the team (except re-sign Felix and stumblef*ck into Iwakuma). I'm pleased as punch.

Saddling their team with a $240 million contract to one player on the wrong side of 30 is quite unlikely to actually help the Mariners. Unless they deal for two more bats and a #1-2 starting pitcher, they'll still be struggling for third place in the AL West. So they're paying a premium for Cano's age 37-41 seasons in order to not even compete this year.

The first thing Seattle can do to help their team is fire their GM.


I never thought I'd see a dumber signing than Soriano.  This definitely qualifies.
 
2013-12-06 02:04:42 PM
So a penny-pinching team who is not in "win now" mode is about to sign a 30 year old to a long term contract?  This doesn't make a lot of sense.

Shame Us: The Mariners have a #1 and a #2 already. I give literally zero f*cks how big the checks the teams writes are. Your team "overpaying" for a guy in baseball should be the furthest thing from a fan's mind.


Here's the thing though, when a stingy team starts to splurge, that is a red flag.  Sometimes it means the ownership is actually interested in winning now (like the Tigers after the NHL made it harder for the Red Wings to splurge), but usually it is a way to quickly drum up interest for a few years before cutting to the bone (see the Marlins).  Why is a former cheapskate owner all of a sudden interested in not being a cheapskate anymore?
 
2013-12-06 02:05:53 PM

llortcM_yllort: So a penny-pinching team who is not in "win now" mode is about to sign a 30 year old to a long term contract?  This doesn't make a lot of sense.

Shame Us: The Mariners have a #1 and a #2 already. I give literally zero f*cks how big the checks the teams writes are. Your team "overpaying" for a guy in baseball should be the furthest thing from a fan's mind.

Here's the thing though, when a stingy team starts to splurge, that is a red flag.  Sometimes it means the ownership is actually interested in winning now (like the Tigers after the NHL made it harder for the Red Wings to splurge), but usually it is a way to quickly drum up interest for a few years before cutting to the bone (see the Marlins).  Why is a former cheapskate owner all of a sudden interested in not being a cheapskate anymore?


Which is why I said that if they're inactive the rest of the way, this is terrible.
 
2013-12-06 02:05:58 PM

robsul82: Been a rough few days with me and Seattle sports franchises, lol.  I love your music of the late 80s and early 90s, I don't know what the problem is.


I think you fell on black days
 
2013-12-06 02:06:39 PM
Compared to the Cano contract the Granderson one looks genius.
 
2013-12-06 02:06:58 PM
The tears of Yankees fans bring me great joy this holiday season.

Headed off to pre-order the blue alternate jersey after work.
 
2013-12-06 02:07:01 PM

llortcM_yllort: So a penny-pinching team who is not in "win now" mode is about to sign a 30 year old to a long term contract?  This doesn't make a lot of sense.

Shame Us: The Mariners have a #1 and a #2 already. I give literally zero f*cks how big the checks the teams writes are. Your team "overpaying" for a guy in baseball should be the furthest thing from a fan's mind.

Here's the thing though, when a stingy team starts to splurge, that is a red flag.  Sometimes it means the ownership is actually interested in winning now (like the Tigers after the NHL made it harder for the Red Wings to splurge), but usually it is a way to quickly drum up interest for a few years before cutting to the bone (see the Marlins).  Why is a former cheapskate owner all of a sudden interested in not being a cheapskate anymore?


i31.tinypic.com
Monorail New stadium!
 
2013-12-06 02:07:25 PM
Cano, it's been fun - thanks for the memories.  Someday it would be great to sit back, watch a game, reminisce - how about this October?  I expect you'll be free in October from now on.
 
2013-12-06 02:07:40 PM

idesofmarch: Shame Us: Your team "overpaying" for a guy in baseball should be the furthest thing from a fan's mind.

If your team had an infinite budget, or if that player was capable of getting the team to the playoffs by himself, this would be true. But be realistic: if your team overpays for one player, it means they won't be willing to spend as much to get anyone else.


Our team is owned by a huge company. One that, until now his been pretty tight with the budget. The grumbling from the fanbase over that reached a fever-pitch after this last abomination of a season. Hopefully this is a sign of better things. I like the signing as a Mariner fan and hope it's a sign of better things to come.
 
2013-12-06 02:10:21 PM
When I say tight with the purse strings, I don't mean the Mariners were under-spending Oakland or KC or something, but they gave the front office a salary cap every off-season based on profit margin and sh*t with no regard for the product on the field or the fanbase at all. Hopefully that has changed.
 
2013-12-06 02:12:01 PM

Shame Us: Our team is owned by a huge company. One that, until now his been pretty tight with the budget. The grumbling from the fanbase over that reached a fever-pitch after this last abomination of a season. Hopefully this is a sign of better things. I like the signing as a Mariner fan and hope it's a sign of better things to come.


Nintendo, right?  I do hope for Seattle's sake this isn't just a one-time seat filling campaign, because I want the West to be more competitive to keep the Rangers down a bit.  I'm just not super optimistic.

I'm also not super in love with yet another team giving a player a 10-year contract.  How many times is this going to have to backfire before they all learn how dumb it is?  Kudos to Cano and the others for taking advantage of a lack of foresight - I'm just glad it won't be the Yankees regretting it in 5 years.
 
2013-12-06 02:12:18 PM
Somewhere Jay-Z is clicking his heels...
 
2013-12-06 02:13:23 PM

Shame Us: When I say tight with the purse strings, I don't mean the Mariners were under-spending Oakland or KC or something, but they gave the front office a salary cap every off-season based on profit margin and sh*t with no regard for the product on the field or the fanbase at all. Hopefully that has changed.


Why would it?  At least with a rich guy in charge there's ego at stake.  When it's a company, there's going to be more of a focus on the bottom line.  Something's farky
 
2013-12-06 02:13:31 PM
Way to go, ESPN:  December 6, 2013, 10:58 AM ET : After traveling to Seattle on Thursday to meet with the Mariners about an offer that sources say was expected to approach $250 million, free-agent second baseman Robinson Cano, is not prepared to make a decision, sources have told ESPN.

USA Today:  1:40 p.m. EST December 6, 2013 : Robinson Cano headed to Mariners: 10 years, $240 million
 
2013-12-06 02:13:33 PM

neritz: It's ok, he'll be back with the Yankees in 5 years.


Yeah, with the Mariners paying 2/3 of his salary.
 
2013-12-06 02:15:14 PM
Rumors are (via mlbtraderumors.com) that it includes a *FULL* no-trade clause, as well. Which would make just that extra bit more ridiculous.
 
2013-12-06 02:19:18 PM

llortcM_yllort: Shame Us: When I say tight with the purse strings, I don't mean the Mariners were under-spending Oakland or KC or something, but they gave the front office a salary cap every off-season based on profit margin and sh*t with no regard for the product on the field or the fanbase at all. Hopefully that has changed.

Why would it?  At least with a rich guy in charge there's ego at stake.  When it's a company, there's going to be more of a focus on the bottom line.  Something's farky


If all the rumblings are actually headed toward signing solid players, not just flipping cash at a Figgins or a Sexson, it could be a sign of a change. Chuck Armstrong is retiring before next season and the principle owner has passed away in the last 6 months or so. I'm saying that hopefully the fact that we actually signed one of the huge names we've toyed with is an indication that it's not just a PR move to keep the fanbase on the hook. Everyone here was totally blown away when the news broke this morning. No one thought that the M's were serious, even with reports that Cano was actually in Seattle last night. Maybe...just maybe...there has been a philosophy change with the changes at the top of the organization. If they continue to actually move in a positive direction, I'll buy in. If not, this was just a stupid move.
 
2013-12-06 02:21:55 PM

Cagey B: The first thing Seattle can do to help their team is fire their GM.


Hopefully after he trades Taijuan Walker + B-spects for David Price.

/Because Andrew Friedman's thirst for raiding other teams farm systems cannot be sated
 
2013-12-06 02:22:24 PM

idesofmarch: neritz: It's ok, he'll be back with the Yankees in 5 years.

Yeah, with the Mariners paying 2/3 of his salary.


Cano has nobody hitting behind or in front of him, his numbers are going to drop off - yeah he will be traded somewhere else for a bag of beans and a few rookies.
 
2013-12-06 02:22:47 PM

MFAWG: The tears of Yankees fans bring me great joy this holiday season.

Headed off to pre-order the blue alternate jersey after work.


Wear it with pride when he loafs to first base.

Listen, I like Robinson Cano as much as the next guy, but this is a franchise-player contract, and Robinson Cano is not a franchise player.
 
2013-12-06 02:23:55 PM
I bet he still won't run to first base.
 
2013-12-06 02:25:56 PM

Kornchex: I never thought I'd see a dumber signing than Soriano. This definitely qualifies.


I'm assuming you mean the Cubs' signing: 8 yr/$136M for his age 31-38 seasons.  That was dumb for all the same reasons as signing Cano (as good as he is) for his age 31-40 seasons.

One of the better 2Bs on Cano's comp list is Ryne Sandberg, and Sandberg had his last good season at 33, and retired at 37.

The 2013 Yankees' signing wasn't all that risky because the Cubs are still paying most of Soriano's salary.  The Yankees are on the hook for $6.8M for part of 2013 and all of 2014.  That's probably worth it for the Yankees even if Soriano becomes a DH/4th OF/platoon guy for 2014.
 
2013-12-06 02:25:59 PM
Cano might be the first of a few moves. Reportedly they are talking with Tampa about trading for Price, but I think they want a guarantee of a contract extension before they would do that, and there is word that they are talking with Napoli's agent about a 4 year deal too. Not sure if all that is true, but if it is, sounds like Jack Z is trying to go big this offseason.
 
2013-12-06 02:26:39 PM

Misconduc: Cano has nobody hitting behind or in front of him, his numbers are going to drop off


Plus, at Yankee Stadium Cano (a lefty) had the insanely short porch in right field, whereas Safeco Field is one of the worst hitters' parks in the league.
 
2013-12-06 02:27:11 PM

idesofmarch: Shame Us: Your team "overpaying" for a guy in baseball should be the furthest thing from a fan's mind.

If your team had an infinite budget, or if that player was capable of getting the team to the playoffs by himself, this would be true. But be realistic: if your team overpays for one player, it means they won't be willing to spend as much to get anyone else.


While the budget is finite, there is quite a bit more headroom and they've indicated that they plan to continue to add players. I mean, they have no major salary commitments outside of Felix and Cano, and they probably have the capacity to get to a payroll around $120m or so. Which means they could still plausibly add one or two of the remaining high-end free agents, and/or swing a trade for a salary-dump situation like Matt Kemp. The issue is they have to persuade players to take their money. And that's where the overpay for Cano starts to make a little bit of sense: it gives them credibility. Nobody wants to be the first to join; now, nobody has to.
 
2013-12-06 02:27:52 PM

Shame Us: llortcM_yllort: Shame Us: When I say tight with the purse strings, I don't mean the Mariners were under-spending Oakland or KC or something, but they gave the front office a salary cap every off-season based on profit margin and sh*t with no regard for the product on the field or the fanbase at all. Hopefully that has changed.

Why would it?  At least with a rich guy in charge there's ego at stake.  When it's a company, there's going to be more of a focus on the bottom line.  Something's farky

If all the rumblings are actually headed toward signing solid players, not just flipping cash at a Figgins or a Sexson, it could be a sign of a change. Chuck Armstrong is retiring before next season and the principle owner has passed away in the last 6 months or so. I'm saying that hopefully the fact that we actually signed one of the huge names we've toyed with is an indication that it's not just a PR move to keep the fanbase on the hook. Everyone here was totally blown away when the news broke this morning. No one thought that the M's were serious, even with reports that Cano was actually in Seattle last night. Maybe...just maybe...there has been a philosophy change with the changes at the top of the organization. If they continue to actually move in a positive direction, I'll buy in. If not, this was just a stupid move.


Oh yeah, I forgot about that.  Maybe the new owner is more interested.
 
2013-12-06 02:28:50 PM

Arcanra: Cano might be the first of a few moves. Reportedly they are talking with Tampa about trading for Price, but I think they want a guarantee of a contract extension before they would do that, and there is word that they are talking with Napoli's agent about a 4 year deal too. Not sure if all that is true, but if it is, sounds like Jack Z is trying to go big this offseason.


I've heard Rajai Davis too.

Personally, the more I think about trading Tijuan Walker for Price, the less I like it. We have Felix and Iwakuma with Hultzen, Paxton & Walker in the wings. I don't think it makes sense to trade for Price.
 
2013-12-06 02:28:52 PM

Arcanra: Cano might be the first of a few moves. Reportedly they are talking with Tampa about trading for Price, but I think they want a guarantee of a contract extension before they would do that, and there is word that they are talking with Napoli's agent about a 4 year deal too. Not sure if all that is true, but if it is, sounds like Jack Z is trying to go big this offseason.


There's also rumors that they're interested in trading for Kemp.
 
2013-12-06 02:29:29 PM

Misconduc: Cano has nobody hitting behind or in front of him, his numbers are going to drop off - yeah he will be traded somewhere else for a bag of beans and a few rookies.


There is no such thing as lineup protection.

qorkfiend: Plus, at Yankee Stadium Cano (a lefty) had the insanely short porch in right field, whereas Safeco Field is one of the worst hitters' parks in the league.


No it is not, particularly for lefties. And Cano in particular has put up good numbers there.
 
2013-12-06 02:29:38 PM

qorkfiend: Misconduc: Cano has nobody hitting behind or in front of him, his numbers are going to drop off

Plus, at Yankee Stadium Cano (a lefty) had the insanely short porch in right field, whereas Safeco Field is one of the worst hitters' parks in the league.


His hitting at Safeco over his career has been only slightly less productive than in NY.
 
2013-12-06 02:31:08 PM

llortcM_yllort: Shame Us: llortcM_yllort: Shame Us: When I say tight with the purse strings, I don't mean the Mariners were under-spending Oakland or KC or something, but they gave the front office a salary cap every off-season based on profit margin and sh*t with no regard for the product on the field or the fanbase at all. Hopefully that has changed.

Why would it?  At least with a rich guy in charge there's ego at stake.  When it's a company, there's going to be more of a focus on the bottom line.  Something's farky

If all the rumblings are actually headed toward signing solid players, not just flipping cash at a Figgins or a Sexson, it could be a sign of a change. Chuck Armstrong is retiring before next season and the principle owner has passed away in the last 6 months or so. I'm saying that hopefully the fact that we actually signed one of the huge names we've toyed with is an indication that it's not just a PR move to keep the fanbase on the hook. Everyone here was totally blown away when the news broke this morning. No one thought that the M's were serious, even with reports that Cano was actually in Seattle last night. Maybe...just maybe...there has been a philosophy change with the changes at the top of the organization. If they continue to actually move in a positive direction, I'll buy in. If not, this was just a stupid move.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.  Maybe the new owner is more interested.


It turns out that he had quietly sold most of his stake to Nintendo over the last few years, IIRC. He was the main dude who gave no sh*ts about baseball though. Pretty sure he never even saw a game.
 
2013-12-06 02:35:27 PM
Well, any time you can pay $24 million a year for a guy who's not a franchise player and is already old, you have to...NOT F*CKING DO IT, MARINERS.
 
2013-12-06 02:36:37 PM

Shame Us: llortcM_yllort: So a penny-pinching team who is not in "win now" mode is about to sign a 30 year old to a long term contract?  This doesn't make a lot of sense.

Shame Us: The Mariners have a #1 and a #2 already. I give literally zero f*cks how big the checks the teams writes are. Your team "overpaying" for a guy in baseball should be the furthest thing from a fan's mind.

Here's the thing though, when a stingy team starts to splurge, that is a red flag.  Sometimes it means the ownership is actually interested in winning now (like the Tigers after the NHL made it harder for the Red Wings to splurge), but usually it is a way to quickly drum up interest for a few years before cutting to the bone (see the Marlins).  Why is a former cheapskate owner all of a sudden interested in not being a cheapskate anymore?

Which is why I said that if they're inactive the rest of the way, this is terrible.


Either have genius GM that can find bargain players or be prepared to overspend EVERY year.  Spending a buttload on one player and then a team sitting on its hands for the next couple of years 'because we don't have financial flexibility' -gesture at buttload player- is fatal.
 
2013-12-06 02:36:42 PM
Damn, I was hoping the yanks would sign him for a 350 million 10 year deal.

/fark the yanks
 
2013-12-06 02:36:46 PM
Checked that link to Brian Wilson. That's even crazier. I guess they see him as a marketing tool? Like the Dodgers need marketing.
 
2013-12-06 02:38:33 PM

Shame Us: qorkfiend: Misconduc: Cano has nobody hitting behind or in front of him, his numbers are going to drop off

Plus, at Yankee Stadium Cano (a lefty) had the insanely short porch in right field, whereas Safeco Field is one of the worst hitters' parks in the league.

His hitting at Safeco over his career has been only slightly less productive than in NY.


And the bulk of that was before they turned left into a launching pad.
 
2013-12-06 02:38:55 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Listen, I like Robinson Cano as much as the next guy, but this is a franchise-player contract, and Robinson Cano is not a franchise player.


Sure he is.  This year.  He's consistently one of the 5 best players in MLB.

But I'm trying to think of 8-10 year MLB free-agent deals that went well for the team in hindsight.  The first (2001-2010) A-Rod contract probably counts, but the 2008-2017 A-Rod contract is hilariously bad.  Jeter for 2001-2010 was well worth it.  Manny for 2001-2008.

But for every one of those contracts, there are a lot of Mike Hamptons and Barry Zitos.
 
2013-12-06 02:40:55 PM
Looks like the Mariners haven't learned from the the Yankees and the Alex Rodriguez Fiasco -- then again, the Yankees overpaid for Ellsbury.

/Red Sox fan
//will miss Tacoby Bellsbury
///Not bitter about losing him though, he aint work 150 million dollars. 

www.boston.com
 
2013-12-06 02:41:38 PM

llortcM_yllort: So a penny-pinching team who is not in "win now" mode is about to sign a 30 year old to a long term contract?  This doesn't make a lot of sense.

Shame Us: The Mariners have a #1 and a #2 already. I give literally zero f*cks how big the checks the teams writes are. Your team "overpaying" for a guy in baseball should be the furthest thing from a fan's mind.

Here's the thing though, when a stingy team starts to splurge, that is a red flag.  Sometimes it means the ownership is actually interested in winning now (like the Tigers after the NHL made it harder for the Red Wings to splurge), but usually it is a way to quickly drum up interest for a few years before cutting to the bone (see the Marlins).  Why is a former cheapskate owner all of a sudden interested in not being a cheapskate anymore?


But they're not a stingy team. Last year they went after Josh Hamilton and were turned down (thank god). Last year they tried to trade for Justin Upton and he vetoed it (thank god, because Taijuan Walker would have been included). Two years ago they tried to sign Prince Fielder and were turned down. The problem, as I've said upthread, has been convincing players to come. The offers have been competitive but players have balked because of the team's dubious recent history. They need to force their way through the door. Having someone like Cano on board is a good way to start.
 
2013-12-06 02:42:05 PM
What's Hova's cut?
 
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