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(USA Today)   Women's fast pitch softball team shows a stunning display of sportsmanship. By beaning the home plate umpire   (ftw.usatoday.com) divider line 56
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2013-12-06 11:39:07 AM  
Wow, fire that coach.
 
2013-12-06 11:48:55 AM  
Different article with a description of the outcome...

Apparently, the ump was also ejected, though the catcher was ejected earlier.

http://larrybrownsports.com/softball/softball-team-hit-umpire-face-v id eo/212975
 
2013-12-06 12:06:12 PM  
Why did the batting team all leave the field, then come back?
 
2013-12-06 12:12:03 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Different article with a description of the outcome...

Apparently, the ump was also ejected, though the catcher was ejected earlier.

http://larrybrownsports.com/softball/softball-team-hit-umpire-face-v id eo/212975



I don't think the ump was ejected.  The article says the "coach, pitcher and ump"....and I think "ump" was supposed to be "catcher".

But that's a crazy incident.
 
2013-12-06 12:21:27 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Different article with a description of the outcome...

Apparently, the ump was also ejected, though the catcher was ejected earlier.

http://larrybrownsports.com/softball/softball-team-hit-umpire-face-v id eo/212975


FYFL:

The showcase was a three-day event for traveling softball teams where college coaches came to scout.

Any pitcher/catcher who actually follows their coach's command to do something like this in front of scouts is probably too stupid for college athletics, and that's really saying something.

You've got a chance to actually use your talents to do something with your life; your fatass, angry loser of a coach, with his loveless marriage and kids he hates, will be dead and forgotten by age 50. Just tell him to f*ck off.
 
2013-12-06 12:23:30 PM  
Of course, maybe they did it on their own. Need more details.
 
2013-12-06 12:26:45 PM  
This was a showcase for college coaches to watch these girls and these kids were stupid enough to go through with it? Well I hope you enjoy waiting tables at Denny's honey because no school worth a damn is going to take a look at you now.
 
2013-12-06 12:39:08 PM  
Real life lesbians tend to be violent
 
2013-12-06 12:44:43 PM  

NuttierThanEver: This was a showcase for college coaches to watch these girls and these kids were stupid enough to go through with it? Well I hope you enjoy waiting tables at Denny's honey because no school worth a damn is going to take a look at you now.


I'm not so sure that excelling in softball guarantees you won't be working at Denny's anyway.
 
2013-12-06 12:48:02 PM  
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2013-12-06 12:53:13 PM  

NuttierThanEver: This was a showcase for college coaches to watch these girls and these kids were stupid enough to go through with it? Well I hope you enjoy waiting tables at Denny's honey because no school worth a damn is going to take a look at you now.


*S* *E* *C*
 
2013-12-06 12:53:46 PM  
If the coach told them to do that he should lose his job.

Whether or not the coach told them to, she and the catcher should at the minimum be suspended several games.
 
2013-12-06 12:55:26 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Of course, maybe they did it on their own. Need more details.


You've really only got two scenarios here. Either the coach instructed them to do it, which means he should be fired. Or the players did it on their own, which means the coach can't control them and should be fired.

Either way this falls on lack of leadership from the coach.
 
2013-12-06 12:55:53 PM  
I know spectators, especially because they're likely parents of players on the team, are not the best gauge of what is actually going on, but there seems to be more to this story that happened before the video picked up.  They way one guys was talking about the ump having, "proved their point," makes me believe something happened earlier in the game that, at least that spectator thought, pissed off the ump.  A random guess would be some heckling or harassment of the ump by the spectators.

On the other hand, you don't need to completely move the catcher to bean the ump in the face, just have the catcher "just happen" to not get their glove up to catch it.  It's also mush less obvious in that case.  However, it would take pretty good aim.  They were probably trying to bean the ump in the chest (or maybe really ambitious and going for the balls).  The fact that she missed and hit his face mask seems to lend credibility to the fact that maybe the pitcher is just bad.
 
2013-12-06 12:56:37 PM  
The gentleman in blue clearly had need of a directed example, with respect to assessing the menaing of the arcane term "strike". This was a much more eloquent way of elucidating such a simple concept, and precuded such awkward utterances as "Was that over the plate, arseface?"
 
2013-12-06 12:57:00 PM  

scottydoesntknow: sigdiamond2000: Of course, maybe they did it on their own. Need more details.

You've really only got two scenarios here. Either the coach instructed them to do it, which means he should be fired. Or the players did it on their own, which means the coach can't control them and should be fired.

Either way this falls on lack of leadership from the coach.


You know what, nevermind my previous post. This is now my post.

With "and they should be suspended."
 
2013-12-06 12:59:37 PM  

foo monkey: Why did the batting team all leave the field, then come back?


Girl stuff. Mind your own business.
 
2013-12-06 01:05:21 PM  
I dated a college softball pitcher once. Tall girl, huge gun on only her pitching arm, normal left arm.

I don't make the jokes, I only set them up.
 
2013-12-06 01:05:28 PM  
The sad thing is that just by looking at the tournament organizer's website, it is just really a showcase and not a "we gotta win this thing" kind of tournament.

When the games have a drop dead time (game ends at 1:40 no matter what), can end in a tie, home team provides scorekeepers, and no protests the coach better know what kind of tournament he is getting into.

Heck, the umpire may have been squeezing the pitcher. I'm guessing that the college coaches and scouts that have watched tons and tons of games have a pretty damned good idea when the pitcher is getting squeezed and can adjust their evaluations accordingly.
 
2013-12-06 01:09:32 PM  
Coach should not be allowed to coach ever again.
 
2013-12-06 01:13:16 PM  
I can't believe no one's brought up that the outfield appears to be filled with fake bleachers full of fake people.
 
2013-12-06 01:14:14 PM  

NuttierThanEver: This was a showcase for college coaches to watch these girls and these kids were stupid enough to go through with it? Well I hope you enjoy waiting tables at Denny's honey because no school worth a damn is going to take a look at you now.


Something  something Title IX...
 
2013-12-06 01:27:55 PM  
When I was in high school we had an umpire who was BIAS, I was the starting pitcher that day and I have god like command of everything I throw - I ended up with 23 strikes and 47 balls in the first two innings, my coach decided since it was a "fall ball game" to walk out - we all met on the mound, called the players in and said F U to the umpire.

/turns out the umpire had a kid that played for the other teams junior varisty team, he was never allowed to umpire our games or theirs (he wasn't suppose too to begin with, but he was a sub for someone who got sick).
//didnt think of beaming him, hell no
 
2013-12-06 01:28:55 PM  

Cheeseface: I can't believe no one's brought up that the outfield appears to be filled with fake bleachers full of fake people.


From I_Am_Weasel's link:

 The game in question took place on a Saturday night at the Fenway Park replica field in West Covina (Big League Dreams has several locations throughout the US, all with replica fields)
 
2013-12-06 01:30:17 PM  
the old middle finger signal from the catcher
 
2013-12-06 01:30:31 PM  

Cheeseface: I can't believe no one's brought up that the outfield appears to be filled with fake bleachers full of fake people.


Huh. I think you're right.
 
2013-12-06 01:39:58 PM  
another weird thing is how long the ump allowed the coach/players to be on the mound.  they are out there for quite awhile...usually the ump starts to walk out to get the game going virtually as soon as the coach gets there.
 
2013-12-06 01:47:16 PM  

Cheeseface: I can't believe no one's brought up that the outfield appears to be filled with fake bleachers full of fake people.


It is at a complex called Big League Dreams. Several of them are in the US southwest. Scale replicas of current and former MLB stadiums.
 
2013-12-06 02:01:25 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Different article with a description of the outcome...

Apparently, the ump was also ejected, though the catcher was ejected earlier.

http://larrybrownsports.com/softball/softball-team-hit-umpire-face-v id eo/212975


Looks like they fixed it...
From your link:
The umpire realized the play was done intentionally and immediately ejected the coach, catcher and pitcher, and the game was called.
 
2013-12-06 02:02:58 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Different article with a description of the outcome...

Apparently, the ump was also ejected, though the catcher was ejected earlier.

http://larrybrownsports.com/softball/softball-team-hit-umpire-face-v id eo/212975


Actually my bad. They didn't fix the part you quoted, it just has it listed correctly higher up in your link. Bad journalism is bad...
 
2013-12-06 02:03:21 PM  

davideggy: I know spectators, especially because they're likely parents of players on the team, are not the best gauge of what is actually going on, but there seems to be more to this story that happened before the video picked up.  They way one guys was talking about the ump having, "proved their point," makes me believe something happened earlier in the game that, at least that spectator thought, pissed off the ump.  A random guess would be some heckling or harassment of the ump by the spectators.

On the other hand, you don't need to completely move the catcher to bean the ump in the face, just have the catcher "just happen" to not get their glove up to catch it.  It's also mush less obvious in that case.  However, it would take pretty good aim.  They were probably trying to bean the ump in the chest (or maybe really ambitious and going for the balls).  The fact that she missed and hit his face mask seems to lend credibility to the fact that maybe the pitcher is just bad.


yea this really sounds like something happened earlier and the ump was pushing his will on the team.  How can you play a game when the one running the rules is going to go against you on purpose?  That pitch that walked a run in sure did look like it was perfect.
 
2013-12-06 02:12:28 PM  

You Are All Sheep: davideggy: I know spectators, especially because they're likely parents of players on the team, are not the best gauge of what is actually going on, but there seems to be more to this story that happened before the video picked up.  They way one guys was talking about the ump having, "proved their point," makes me believe something happened earlier in the game that, at least that spectator thought, pissed off the ump.  A random guess would be some heckling or harassment of the ump by the spectators.

On the other hand, you don't need to completely move the catcher to bean the ump in the face, just have the catcher "just happen" to not get their glove up to catch it.  It's also mush less obvious in that case.  However, it would take pretty good aim.  They were probably trying to bean the ump in the chest (or maybe really ambitious and going for the balls).  The fact that she missed and hit his face mask seems to lend credibility to the fact that maybe the pitcher is just bad.

yea this really sounds like something happened earlier and the ump was pushing his will on the team.  How can you play a game when the one running the rules is going to go against you on purpose?  That pitch that walked a run in sure did look like it was perfect.


While I do agree with you, Misconduc showed how you should actually react to a situation like that. If an ump is obviously biased or holding a grudge, just call the game. It will always reflect badly on the ump. You may get a loss, but you were probably going to anyway. Intentionally hitting him with a pitch all but guarantees you're the one looking like an asshole.
 
2013-12-06 02:17:46 PM  

You Are All Sheep: davideggy: I know spectators, especially because they're likely parents of players on the team, are not the best gauge of what is actually going on, but there seems to be more to this story that happened before the video picked up.  They way one guys was talking about the ump having, "proved their point," makes me believe something happened earlier in the game that, at least that spectator thought, pissed off the ump.  A random guess would be some heckling or harassment of the ump by the spectators.

On the other hand, you don't need to completely move the catcher to bean the ump in the face, just have the catcher "just happen" to not get their glove up to catch it.  It's also mush less obvious in that case.  However, it would take pretty good aim.  They were probably trying to bean the ump in the chest (or maybe really ambitious and going for the balls).  The fact that she missed and hit his face mask seems to lend credibility to the fact that maybe the pitcher is just bad.

yea this really sounds like something happened earlier and the ump was pushing his will on the team.  How can you play a game when the one running the rules is going to go against you on purpose?  That pitch that walked a run in sure did look like it was perfect.


So "kill ump" is a viable option, then?
 
2013-12-06 02:20:38 PM  

You Are All Sheep: davideggy: I know spectators, especially because they're likely parents of players on the team, are not the best gauge of what is actually going on, but there seems to be more to this story that happened before the video picked up.  They way one guys was talking about the ump having, "proved their point," makes me believe something happened earlier in the game that, at least that spectator thought, pissed off the ump.  A random guess would be some heckling or harassment of the ump by the spectators.

On the other hand, you don't need to completely move the catcher to bean the ump in the face, just have the catcher "just happen" to not get their glove up to catch it.  It's also mush less obvious in that case.  However, it would take pretty good aim.  They were probably trying to bean the ump in the chest (or maybe really ambitious and going for the balls).  The fact that she missed and hit his face mask seems to lend credibility to the fact that maybe the pitcher is just bad.

yea this really sounds like something happened earlier and the ump was pushing his will on the team.  How can you play a game when the one running the rules is going to go against you on purpose?  That pitch that walked a run in sure did look like it was perfect.


The pitch was low.  Catcher did a halfway decent job of framing the pitch, but it was clearly low when she caught it (and when it crossed the plate).
 
2013-12-06 02:30:53 PM  
The ump flipping off the crowd at :36 wasn't exactly good sportsmanship either.
 
2013-12-06 02:34:45 PM  

piledhigheranddeeper: The ump flipping off the crowd at :36 wasn't exactly good sportsmanship either.


Except that was his index finger not his middle finger and he was responding to the crowds question of "is it high or low?" by pointing down.
 
2013-12-06 02:40:40 PM  
If you can dodge a softball...

2.bp.blogspot.com

...you can dodge a...ball?
 
2013-12-06 02:52:43 PM  
"It makes you cringe especially when you consider how much worse it could have been"?

Dude's wearing full protective gear. Catchers get hit with baseballs and softballs all the damn time off of foul tips. Get off the over-dramatization crap.
 
2013-12-06 03:09:47 PM  
I'm a hockey goaltender. I was playing in a beer league game with just one ref, no goal judges, hard shot hit my on the heel of my glove hand and bounced out hard...he called it a goal saying it hit the inside crossbar and bounced out. I argued my case, lost, then proceeded to exaggerated every save for the rest of the game. I even asked if he wanted a replay on save I made above the crease. We come out and start the 3 period, I notice we are short a player on the ice. Next stoppage, I ask my d-man what is up...he tells me to calm down, we are serving an unsportsmanlike penalty on ME! Goalies do not serve the penalties but the bastard ref could have at least had the stones to skate over and tell me I was being penalized. In other news....he never reffed in that building again.
 
2013-12-06 03:23:14 PM  

Toxicphreke: I'm a hockey goaltender. I was playing in a beer league game with just one ref, no goal judges, hard shot hit my on the heel of my glove hand and bounced out hard...he called it a goal saying it hit the inside crossbar and bounced out. I argued my case, lost, then proceeded to exaggerated every save for the rest of the game. I even asked if he wanted a replay on save I made above the crease. We come out and start the 3 period, I notice we are short a player on the ice. Next stoppage, I ask my d-man what is up...he tells me to calm down, we are serving an unsportsmanlike penalty on ME! Goalies do not serve the penalties but the bastard ref could have at least had the stones to skate over and tell me I was being penalized. In other news....he never reffed in that building again.


In other news, goalies are usually drama queens.
 
2013-12-06 03:25:58 PM  
That coach is a douche, he never needs to be in charge of kids again.
 
2013-12-06 03:32:55 PM  

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: Toxicphreke: I'm a hockey goaltender. I was playing in a beer league game with just one ref, no goal judges, hard shot hit my on the heel of my glove hand and bounced out hard...he called it a goal saying it hit the inside crossbar and bounced out. I argued my case, lost, then proceeded to exaggerated every save for the rest of the game. I even asked if he wanted a replay on save I made above the crease. We come out and start the 3 period, I notice we are short a player on the ice. Next stoppage, I ask my d-man what is up...he tells me to calm down, we are serving an unsportsmanlike penalty on ME! Goalies do not serve the penalties but the bastard ref could have at least had the stones to skate over and tell me I was being penalized. In other news....he never reffed in that building again.

In other news, goalies are usually drama queens.


only with blind refs.
 
2013-12-06 03:38:43 PM  

You Are All Sheep: davideggy: I know spectators, especially because they're likely parents of players on the team, are not the best gauge of what is actually going on, but there seems to be more to this story that happened before the video picked up.  They way one guys was talking about the ump having, "proved their point," makes me believe something happened earlier in the game that, at least that spectator thought, pissed off the ump.  A random guess would be some heckling or harassment of the ump by the spectators.

On the other hand, you don't need to completely move the catcher to bean the ump in the face, just have the catcher "just happen" to not get their glove up to catch it.  It's also mush less obvious in that case.  However, it would take pretty good aim.  They were probably trying to bean the ump in the chest (or maybe really ambitious and going for the balls).  The fact that she missed and hit his face mask seems to lend credibility to the fact that maybe the pitcher is just bad.

yea this really sounds like something happened earlier and the ump was pushing his will on the team.  How can you play a game when the one running the rules is going to go against you on purpose?  That pitch that walked a run in sure did look like it was perfect.


I went back and checked the pitch as well...ump indicates low...i will give the catcher the A for effort, but her actions may have been enough to elicit the 'ball' call...she clearly moves her glove a good 3-4 inches up...indicating she thought it was low...if it was perfect, she would have left her glove there.   Ball was low, ump was right, coach and players screwed up.
 
2013-12-06 03:40:35 PM  

IAmRight: "It makes you cringe especially when you consider how much worse it could have been"?

Dude's wearing full protective gear. Catchers get hit with baseballs and softballs all the damn time off of foul tips. Get off the over-dramatization crap.


And even with the gear, they still smart. I've taken dozens of balls of the facemask (a hazard of umpiring youth baseball) and a few them will really get you.
 
2013-12-06 03:44:52 PM  

ladodger34: And even with the gear, they still smart. I've taken dozens of balls of the facemask (a hazard of umpiring youth baseball) and a few them will really get you.


Of course. I'm just tired of people over-dramatizing everything with the "consider how much worse this COULD have ended up" bullsh*t.

That ump COULD have had a pressure-sensitive nuclear bomb within his chest plate and the whole city could have been leveled all because of those kids' poor sportsmanship! WHYYYYYY?
 
2013-12-06 03:53:35 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: NuttierThanEver: This was a showcase for college coaches to watch these girls and these kids were stupid enough to go through with it? Well I hope you enjoy waiting tables at Denny's honey because no school worth a damn is going to take a look at you now.

I'm not so sure that excelling in softball guarantees you won't be working at Denny's Hooter's anyway.

 
2013-12-06 04:21:20 PM  

piledhigheranddeeper: The ump flipping off the crowd at :36 wasn't exactly good sportsmanship either.


I guess people see what they want to see.
 
2013-12-06 04:29:29 PM  
seriously there is no good reason for pulling that or excuse for doing so.   The Ump made the right call.
 
2013-12-06 04:38:07 PM  

Moopy Mac: piledhigheranddeeper: The ump flipping off the crowd at :36 wasn't exactly good sportsmanship either.

I guess people see what they want to see.


He was asked what was wrong with that last pitch. He then pointed to the ground.

Meaning it was low (in the umps opinion)

Rewatch and listen hard.
 
2013-12-06 05:13:58 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Moopy Mac: piledhigheranddeeper: The ump flipping off the crowd at :36 wasn't exactly good sportsmanship either.

I guess people see what they want to see.

He was asked what was wrong with that last pitch. He then pointed to the ground.

Meaning it was low (in the umps opinion)

Rewatch and listen hard.


My bad.  I I thought we was doing an inverted 'sit and spin'

Agree with the whole 'fire the coach and suspend the players' thing.
 
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