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2013-12-06 09:46:39 AM
Or as FoxNews would say 'iPad charger burns down house'
 
2013-12-06 11:00:19 AM
ok, I'll plug the alarm clock in somewhere else...gees!
 
2013-12-06 11:00:55 AM

Majick Thise: Or as FoxNews would say 'iPad charger burns down house'


Then blame Obama
 
2013-12-06 11:47:21 AM

Majick Thise: Or as FoxNews would say 'iPad charger burns down house'


I'd laugh, but I realize you'd hear the same angle from Katie Couric, 60 Minutes, Inside Edition, and pretty much every TV news source---now that television has become a gathering place for the "Matlock and Antiques Roadshow" crowd, the only thing to put on TV is stories about how the future is scary.

When I was younger, TV was for scary news reports for parents about teachers and school janitors and bus drivers and priests molesting your kids; I have a feeling that a single generation has been the focal point of most television programming.
 
2013-12-06 11:56:06 AM
But I only HAVE one
 
2013-12-06 11:56:26 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-06 11:56:35 AM

Xcott: Majick Thise: Or as FoxNews would say 'iPad charger burns down house'

I'd laugh, but I realize you'd hear the same angle from Katie Couric, 60 Minutes, Inside Edition, and pretty much every TV news source---now that television has become a gathering place for the "Matlock and Antiques Roadshow" crowd, the only thing to put on TV is stories about how the future is scary.

When I was younger, TV was for scary news reports for parents about teachers and school janitors and bus drivers and priests molesting your kids; I have a feeling that a single generation has been the focal point of most television programming.


True all news is bad (because they too are ratings based) but fauxNews is the worst so they get my wrath
 
2013-12-06 12:32:35 PM

Majick Thise: Xcott: Majick Thise: Or as FoxNews would say 'iPad charger burns down house'

I'd laugh, but I realize you'd hear the same angle from Katie Couric, 60 Minutes, Inside Edition, and pretty much every TV news source---now that television has become a gathering place for the "Matlock and Antiques Roadshow" crowd, the only thing to put on TV is stories about how the future is scary.

When I was younger, TV was for scary news reports for parents about teachers and school janitors and bus drivers and priests molesting your kids; I have a feeling that a single generation has been the focal point of most television programming.

True all news is bad (because they too are ratings based) but fauxNews is the worst so they get my wrath


CNN is the worst. Fox at least brings some pizzazz to not bringing you the news.
 
2013-12-06 12:32:55 PM

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Thread over.
 
2013-12-06 12:33:39 PM
I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.
 
2013-12-06 12:34:31 PM
If doing so results in anything worse than a popped circuit breaker, you have other problems.
 
2013-12-06 12:35:30 PM
Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.

lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.


Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.
 
2013-12-06 12:35:39 PM

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2013-12-06 12:36:54 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.

lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.

Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.


Its how we kept the air conditioner on in the dorm.
 
2013-12-06 12:37:54 PM
They should have had Ralphies dad change the fuse. He bought em by the gross and can change them quicker than a jack rabbit on a date.
 
2013-12-06 12:42:02 PM
Fuggin Bizzy
Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.
lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.
Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.


Just how long has it been since you've seen a modern breaker box?
 
2013-12-06 12:44:48 PM
Just last night...

My wife has a special "Christmas" necklace she wears for December. I didn't discover until last night that she was hanging it on the 6 outlet surge suppressor we have in the bathroom(Only 1 outlet, and really there might be 2 items running at once, so it's not overloaded, it's just the only out let in there, and plugging things in and out all day is annoying). Anyway, this is the kind that actually screws into the wall, rather than a normal power strip. She's been hanging that stupid necklace on it since Saturday when she takes it off. There's just enough of a gap that last night, it dropped down the gap in the back, bridging the 2 prongs of the outlet, cutting her necklace in half, and blowing the breaker.

Shiat, I knew what the 'pop' was the minute I heard it, but I thought maybe the light switch had some kind of catastrophic failure and more or less blew up on her. I was blown away, this isn't the type of shiat she does, but Jesus, we got lucky...
 
2013-12-06 12:49:13 PM

lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.


They are great for when the current exceeds the max amount, but the difference is that things get warm when electricity is passing through them, but it's not 'as' related to the current rating on the breaker, so a lot of things drawing less current can heat up, and when they heat up, their neighbor might get hotter because it can't bleed off heat, and so on... Especially if a lot of the things plugged in are old or shoddy design. Think of your cell phone charger when it's working times a thousand or so... It's the same reason that for high current draws(Like a circular saw), you are supposed to use a minimum gauge of extension cord, a smaller cord will overheat, but the breaker won't trip, because the saw is still drawing the same amount of current...
 
2013-12-06 12:49:36 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.

lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.

Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.


Did it on a garage demolition.

I needed the circuit running, thought process being "so what if the place burns down?"
 
2013-12-06 12:50:10 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.


Penny'll Start a Fire.

noisetosignal.org
 
2013-12-06 12:53:03 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.

lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.

Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.


Penny'll start a fire...
i.cdn.turner.com

// and that punchbowl's crawling with giardia
 
2013-12-06 12:53:13 PM

macadamnut: I_Am_Weasel: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 817x579]

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Woah... that's a major award!
 
2013-12-06 12:57:10 PM

Ivo Shandor: If doing so results in anything worse than a popped circuit breaker, you have other problems.


Drawing current and overheating something are two different things. See my example of a circular saw on a extension cord that is too small of a gauge. The cord will heat up, the whole thing will get hot, from the totally normal current draw of the saw.
 
2013-12-06 12:58:27 PM
 
2013-12-06 12:58:45 PM

ga362: Fuggin Bizzy
Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.
lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.
Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.

Just how long has it been since you've seen a modern breaker box?


Saw one this morning in my kitchen entryway as I was eating breakfast. That was a strange question.
 
2013-12-06 01:03:22 PM
Nonsense. One outlet to rule them all.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-06 01:08:50 PM
Don't use a single outlet to plug in your space heater, your Christmas lights, your electrical dancing Santa, your aquarium pump, your blow dryer, your paper shredder, your alarm clock, and your iPad charger put a 20A breaker on a 15A circuit.  Then you can plug in as many damn things as you want to, if tripping breakers amuses you.
 
2013-12-06 01:09:20 PM

Mikey1969: Ivo Shandor: If doing so results in anything worse than a popped circuit breaker, you have other problems.

Drawing current and overheating something are two different things. See my example of a circular saw on a extension cord that is too small of a gauge. The cord will heat up, the whole thing will get hot, from the totally normal current draw of the saw.


Of course, that only happens when you are using an extension cord of improper ampacity/gauge.  One would reasonably assume that the wires running to the outlet were of adequate capacity for the installed breaker.
 
2013-12-06 01:12:28 PM

Mikey1969: See my example of a circular saw on a extension cord that is too small of a gauge.


I put that into the 'other problems' category. If you're using a power bar or extension cord for heavy loads, make sure it's rated for at least the same load as the wall circuit (or that it has its own breaker).
 
2013-12-06 01:15:35 PM

parkke0108: Of course, that only happens when you are using an extension cord of improper ampacity/gauge.  One would reasonably assume that the wires running to the outlet were of adequate capacity for the installed breaker.


The wires running from the wall to the outlet MAY have been of adequate capacity, but this isn't a new part of Phoenix, and it definitely isn't a rich one. Look at the pics, that house is probably 60 years old. Regardless, it's the other end of the connection that matters. a $3.99 power strip bought at WalMart 10 years ago with splitters and adapters, along with old, crappy equipment is where the thermal issues are going to happen, not in the wall. Maybe even a couple of power strips daisy chained together, even.
 
2013-12-06 01:16:52 PM

Mikey1969: Drawing current and overheating something are two different things. See my example of a circular saw on a extension cord that is too small of a gauge.


There's a big difference between a hard wired circuit and an extension cord.  If your circuit is to code, then there is no way to overheat without tripping the breaker.  If it's NOT to code--for example if the wiring is 14 gauge and you have a 20A breaker, then yes, you DO have bigger problems than how many things you are plugging in.  For practical purposes, your circuit is unprotected, and there are lots of other ways besides plugging too many things in that can lead to a charcoal house.
 
2013-12-06 01:17:11 PM
Also, don't use your computer's UPS to power your computer, monitor, various electronic doodads, AND A 1500 WATT SPACE HEATER YOU BROUGHT FROM HOME!

/I'm looking at you, Accounting Department.
//No, when you blow the circuit breaker for your office, it isn't an IT call. Yes, even though you plugged the thing into a computer UPS.
 
2013-12-06 01:17:11 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: ga362: Fuggin Bizzy
Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.
lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.
Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.

Just how long has it been since you've seen a modern breaker box?

Saw one this morning in my kitchen entryway as I was eating breakfast. That was a strange question.


How many fuses are inside it, and how many times have you successfully stuck a penny in there? It's what the other poster was trying to get at...
 
2013-12-06 01:18:12 PM

Hollie Maea: Don't use a single outlet to plug in your space heater, your Christmas lights, your electrical dancing Santa, your aquarium pump, your blow dryer, your paper shredder, your alarm clock, and your iPad charger put a 20A breaker on a 15A circuit.  Then you can plug in as many damn things as you want to, if tripping breakers amuses you.


Well, technically a 20A breaker IS on a 20A circuit.  But I think you mean don't use 14AWG wire on a 20A circuit.  That is a recipe for DOOM.
 
2013-12-06 01:19:11 PM

Mikey1969: a $3.99 power strip bought at WalMart 10 years ago


Power strips have had internal circuit breakers a lot longer than 10 years.  It's really a lot harder than you think to fark up (tripping breakers doesn't count) a circuit that's to code.
 
2013-12-06 01:19:46 PM

Mikey1969: How many fuses are inside it, and how many times have you successfully stuck a penny in there? It's what the other poster was trying to get at...


None, and zero. Who says I'm talking about my house?
 
2013-12-06 01:20:19 PM

Ivo Shandor: Mikey1969: See my example of a circular saw on a extension cord that is too small of a gauge.

I put that into the 'other problems' category. If you're using a power bar or extension cord for heavy loads, make sure it's rated for at least the same load as the wall circuit (or that it has its own breaker).


But that is exactly how these things happen, the saw was just the easiest example of something that was using the allowed amount of current, yet causing overheating. Especially when they follow up by cramming this behind the couch, or piling other stuff on top of it. The heat just builds and builds, with nowhere for it to go.
 
2013-12-06 01:20:41 PM

The Googles Do Nothing: But I think you mean don't use 14AWG wire on a 20A circuit.


Yes, that's what I meant.  More generally, I mean matching ratings at every stage of the circuit, but the most obvious fark up is 14AWG + 20A breaker.
 
2013-12-06 01:24:13 PM
It's still amazing to me how many adults seem to not know how electricity works and that it's hazardous.

You'd think the fact that there are only two plug-ins on a typical outlet would clue them in on how many things should be plugged into it.

I have a power strip with 5 plug-ins, but I don't assume that means "use 5 things at once." I have it mostly because the outlet is in an inconvenient place and it's a pain in the ass to reach back there to plug or unplug things. So the strip is mostly for ease of use. I don't use it thinking, "Yay! Now I have 5 times as much electricity!" so I fire up the computer, the lamp, the electric blanket, the TV and the phone charger all out of the same outlet.
 
2013-12-06 01:24:25 PM

Hollie Maea: The Googles Do Nothing: But I think you mean don't use 14AWG wire on a 20A circuit.

Yes, that's what I meant.  More generally, I mean matching ratings at every stage of the circuit, but the most obvious fark up is 14AWG + 20A breaker.


Yes, these kinds of things keep me up at night worrying about my own house.  Some of the wiring done in the past 50 years has been...."odd".
 
2013-12-06 01:24:36 PM

Mikey1969: Fuggin Bizzy: ga362: Fuggin Bizzy
Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.
lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.
Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.

Just how long has it been since you've seen a modern breaker box?

Saw one this morning in my kitchen entryway as I was eating breakfast. That was a strange question.

How many fuses are inside it, and how many times have you successfully stuck a penny in there? It's what the other poster was trying to get at...


There are still a lot of structures with 60 amp Edison panels.

Just because it isn't code doesn't mean it isn't still in use daily across the country.

I have friends that live in apartment complexes that still have 4 circuit fuse panels, and plenty of garages and outbuildings have them.
 
2013-12-06 01:25:59 PM
I've got a space heater, laptop, cell phone, lamp combo going on at home.
 
2013-12-06 01:26:13 PM
www.cpsc.gov
 
2013-12-06 01:29:19 PM

Hollie Maea: Mikey1969: a $3.99 power strip bought at WalMart 10 years ago

Power strips have had internal circuit breakers a lot longer than 10 years.  It's really a lot harder than you think to fark up (tripping breakers doesn't count) a circuit that's to code.


Except that $3.99 power strips from WalMart are pieces of shiat, and don't always have a breaker in them. I've seen plenty of strips for sale with no switch, no reset button at all, and they are called "Power Strips" rather than "Surge Protectors", and people will still buy them because they think it's the same thing. That's why I used 'power strip' in my post.

As for a circuit that's to code, see my previous post about the house. Look at the pics. That house dates at LEAST back to the 50's, the neighborhood is even older, and I'm sure it was wired like shiat from the beginning. It's not like when Electrical Code is updated they make you strip and rewire an entire house, and people used to be able to get around building codes MUCH easier.
 
2013-12-06 01:33:04 PM

ga362: Fuggin Bizzy
Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.
lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.
Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.

Just how long has it been since you've seen a modern breaker box?



Fuggin Bizzy:
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-06 01:34:15 PM

Snarfangel: Also, don't use your computer's UPS to power your computer, monitor, various electronic doodads, AND A 1500 WATT SPACE HEATER YOU BROUGHT FROM HOME!

/I'm looking at you, Accounting Department.
//No, when you blow the circuit breaker for your office, it isn't an IT call. Yes, even though you plugged the thing into a computer UPS.


Yeah, I have had this over the years, I've had times where the power loss seriously farked up Windows, but the best I ever saw was a computer case that was actually melted from the user's space heater. Not bad, but bad enough that you wonder what kind of hellfire they were blowing onto their feet. The computer in question was the kind of setup where it's right next to the user's feet, it's not like they had the heater plugged in across the room with the computer next to it.
 
2013-12-06 01:36:56 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: It's still amazing to me how many adults seem to not know how electricity works and that it's hazardous.


i.imgur.com

I blame the schools.
 
2013-12-06 01:40:05 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Don't plug everything into one circuit. Even if you use multiple outlets, you can still get in trouble.

lemurs: I just assumed that circuit breakers were a thing.

Ever seen someone stick a penny into a fuse socket so the damn thing will stop blowing? I have.


I have only heard of that, luckily.  Now, old homes without updated systems are the worst.  My house used to have the push button breakers, and we never popped a breaker.  My fil had done all sorts of wiring before I moved in.  Later we had an extension built onto the house and had a license electrician come in to update the whole system.  He didn't rewire the whole house, but we had new breaker boxes put in to handle many more circuits.  Kind of nice, because the garage and shed is on a small breaker box separate from the house.  Anyway the electrician found all sorts of issues with multiple circuits sharing a breaker.  How the house didn't burn down, is still beyond my reasoning.  Since the updating the system, we found certain conditions pops the breakers where before we never had that.   I still found other problems later like connections hiding inside walls, which I fixed.

/a coworker informed me, her house had aluminum wiring
//That is scary stuff to have.
 
2013-12-06 01:46:37 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: It's still amazing to me how many adults seem to not know how electricity works and that it's hazardous.

You'd think the fact that there are only two plug-ins on a typical outlet would clue them in on how many things should be plugged into it.

I have a power strip with 5 plug-ins, but I don't assume that means "use 5 things at once." I have it mostly because the outlet is in an inconvenient place and it's a pain in the ass to reach back there to plug or unplug things. So the strip is mostly for ease of use. I don't use it thinking, "Yay! Now I have 5 times as much electricity!" so I fire up the computer, the lamp, the electric blanket, the TV and the phone charger all out of the same outlet.


And if you really understand electricity and loads, then you can be more discriminating.  A power strip to charge 5 cell phones?  No problem.  Five space heaters?  Not so much (or TVs or computers or strings of incandescent lights, etc).

The problem is that there is such a wide range of load sizes.  There are very few single loads in a household that use 120V and more than 15A (if you have one, you probably can't plug it in to your outlets).  But there are a lot that are more than an order of magnitude less, and a lot that are only marginally less.  Most people can't really distinguish between the two...so they know that plugging in lots of stuff into a power strip "usually" is fine.  But for some things it isn't fine at all.  Hopefully their circuits are up to code and they just pop a breaker.
 
2013-12-06 01:49:32 PM

lack of warmth: /a coworker informed me, her house had aluminum wiring
//That is scary stuff to have.


Especially when you start "extending" things with Copper.
 
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