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2013-12-06 09:06:01 AM
Artie Lang has just been hired to be in it.
 
2013-12-06 09:08:29 AM
"Hastings says the tank is fine. "


Well THAT'S a relief.
 
2013-12-06 09:11:19 AM

mark1mod0: "Hastings says the tank is fine. "


Well THAT'S a relief.


Good jorb, wrongthreader.
 
2013-12-06 09:11:37 AM
John Wayne portraying Genghis Khan seems like the right formula to hex any major studio production. More than 91 cancer cases were ultimately reported by this film's cast and crew, mostly attributed to radiation particles from an atom bomb test conducted in nearby Nevada, which were still actively in the atmosphere when this movie was filmed over a 13-week period. In fact, 46 people died as a result of the disease, including Wayne and actresses Susan Hayward and Agnes Moorehead, and some suspect it played a part in producer Howard Hughes' physical and mental decline prior to his death in 1976. In fact, rumor has it The Conqueror was the last film he viewed repeatedly in his final days.

Wow. Didn't know that. What the fark, I learned something on Fark today!
 
2013-12-06 09:12:27 AM
I thought the poltergeist girl died with vic morrow in a helicopter crash.
 
2013-12-06 09:15:15 AM
This has to be Justin Bieber's breakout role for movies.
 
2013-12-06 09:15:48 AM
I know a woman that is the spitting image of Sam Kinison.  She wears the coat and everything.

So there is that.
 
2013-12-06 09:34:26 AM
hopefully they cast zach galifianakis next!
 
2013-12-06 09:36:01 AM
this comedy about an Inuit hunter, who through a unique set of circumstances ends up in the big city, deals with a variety of issues, including racism, pop culture and exploitation.

They already did this.  It was called Crocodile Dundee.
 
2013-12-06 09:42:27 AM
to be fair "The Adventures of Fat fark and Dick in Crazy"  was probably a flawed concept from the get go.
 
2013-12-06 09:47:12 AM
I thought the film that had Belushi, Farley, and Candy attached at one time was the bio pic of Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle. Would love to see a film of him made that would help clear his name more, but, again, supposedly jinxed.
 
2013-12-06 09:47:35 AM

SDRR: John Wayne portraying Genghis Khan seems like the right formula to hex any major studio production. More than 91 cancer cases were ultimately reported by this film's cast and crew, mostly attributed to radiation particles from an atom bomb test conducted in nearby Nevada, which were still actively in the atmosphere when this movie was filmed over a 13-week period. In fact, 46 people died as a result of the disease, including Wayne and actresses Susan Hayward and Agnes Moorehead, and some suspect it played a part in producer Howard Hughes' physical and mental decline prior to his death in 1976. In fact, rumor has it The Conqueror was the last film he viewed repeatedly in his final days.

Wow. Didn't know that. What the fark, I learned something on Fark today!


Yeah, I only discovered this trivia nugget a few months ago. It's worth reading up on Wikipedia. It's also the region of Utah where the people are known as "Downwinders", because the area had to suffer through this for decades. The normal wind currents apparently regularly skip Nevada and dump the shiat in the St George area, so this makes the news cycle here every few years. Read up on the movie, not only does it have this going for it, but they brought tons of the dirt back for backlot shooting AND John Wayne really, REALLY used his "Aw Shucks, Ma'am" drawl to play Genghis Kahn, he didn't change his typecast character at all... And if you find the trailer---Holy Fark, it's bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(film)

Actually found the full movie on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snKve2bAt3I
 
2013-12-06 09:49:09 AM

Head_Shot: I thought the poltergeist girl died with vic morrow in a helicopter crash.


I like how they downplayed her role like she was an also-ran, and that Dominique Dunn, as the older, sister, was the focus of the story.

And God, that website blows goats.
 
2013-12-06 09:49:38 AM
Honestly thought this was a reference to the many failed adaptations of  A Confederacy of Dunces (strangely fitting for a book that only came out post-humously.)

/see also The Man Who Killed Don Quixote for a cursed film without a real death toll; Lost in La Mancha is a fabulous summary of how doomed that film was.
 
2013-12-06 09:51:58 AM

Spatula Porn: I thought the film that had Belushi, Farley, and Candy attached at one time was the bio pic of Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle. Would love to see a film of him made that would help clear his name more, but, again, supposedly jinxed.


So we're up to three movies all of them were attached to? This seems to be more of a curse on casting them in a film than a curse on the film itself.
 
2013-12-06 09:55:38 AM

Spatula Porn: I thought the film that had Belushi, Farley, and Candy attached at one time was the bio pic of Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle. Would love to see a film of him made that would help clear his name more, but, again, supposedly jinxed.


Serious question: To the extent that the general public still knows of Arbuckle, do they still associate him with the scandal?

I know it was a huge deal (read: career-killer) at the time, and probably for a generation afterwards he was better known for that than for his film work. But these days, I suspect that people either have only the most passing knowledge of him, or are sufficiently film geeks that they know the full story. But that's just a guess.
 
2013-12-06 09:56:23 AM

SlothB77: hopefully they cast zach galifianakis next!


You might have your wish!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederacy_of_dunces#Film_adaptations

Though to be fair, mortality rate for starring in that film isn't too terrible: Belushi, Farley, Candy, and Divine all died early, but Goodman, Fry, and Ferrell are all still around (though none finished the film.)
 
2013-12-06 10:03:41 AM

Rapmaster2000: this comedy about an Inuit hunter, who through a unique set of circumstances ends up in the big city, deals with a variety of issues, including racism, pop culture and exploitation.

They already did this.  It was called Crocodile Dundee.


That's not a re-imagining--THIS is a re-imagining!
 
2013-12-06 10:16:04 AM
Not a single Bruce Lee mention? wow.
 
2013-12-06 10:16:44 AM

born_yesterday: Rapmaster2000: this comedy about an Inuit hunter, who through a unique set of circumstances ends up in the big city, deals with a variety of issues, including racism, pop culture and exploitation.

They already did this.  It was called Crocodile Dundee.

That's not a re-imagining--THIS is a re-imagining!


To be fair, the Inuit one is based on a book from 1968.
 
2013-12-06 10:20:20 AM

SDRR: John Wayne portraying Genghis Khan seems like the right formula to hex any major studio production. More than 91 cancer cases were ultimately reported by this film's cast and crew, mostly attributed to radiation particles from an atom bomb test conducted in nearby Nevada, which were still actively in the atmosphere when this movie was filmed over a 13-week period. In fact, 46 people died as a result of the disease, including Wayne and actresses Susan Hayward and Agnes Moorehead, and some suspect it played a part in producer Howard Hughes' physical and mental decline prior to his death in 1976. In fact, rumor has it The Conqueror was the last film he viewed repeatedly in his final days.

Wow. Didn't know that. What the fark, I learned something on Fark today!


On the other hand, there is this:

The 41% incidence of cancer in the cast and crew is very close to that of the general population, but many contend that radioactive fallout from these tests contaminated the film location and poisoned the film crew working there. Despite the suggestion that Wayne's 1964 lung cancer and his 1979 stomach cancer resulted from nuclear contamination, he himself believed his lung cancer to have been a result of his six-pack-a-day cigarette habit.
 
2013-12-06 10:20:55 AM

Grungehamster: Honestly thought this was a reference to the many failed adaptations of  A Confederacy of Dunces (strangely fitting for a book that only came out post-humously.)

/see also The Man Who Killed Don Quixote for a cursed film without a real death toll; Lost in La Mancha is a fabulous summary of how doomed that film was.


Terry Gilliam seems to be cursed. No only for studio meddling, but he's has the stars of two of his movies die on him.
 
2013-12-06 10:35:05 AM
No mention of the Blade Runner product placement curse?
 
2013-12-06 10:44:48 AM

llortcM_yllort: SDRR: John Wayne portraying Genghis Khan seems like the right formula to hex any major studio production. More than 91 cancer cases were ultimately reported by this film's cast and crew, mostly attributed to radiation particles from an atom bomb test conducted in nearby Nevada, which were still actively in the atmosphere when this movie was filmed over a 13-week period. In fact, 46 people died as a result of the disease, including Wayne and actresses Susan Hayward and Agnes Moorehead, and some suspect it played a part in producer Howard Hughes' physical and mental decline prior to his death in 1976. In fact, rumor has it The Conqueror was the last film he viewed repeatedly in his final days.

Wow. Didn't know that. What the fark, I learned something on Fark today!

On the other hand, there is this:

The 41% incidence of cancer in the cast and crew is very close to that of the general population, but many contend that radioactive fallout from these tests contaminated the film location and poisoned the film crew working there. Despite the suggestion that Wayne's 1964 lung cancer and his 1979 stomach cancer resulted from nuclear contamination, he himself believed his lung cancer to have been a result of his six-pack-a-day cigarette habit.


41% Cancer rate is the same as the general population? That seems somewhat high.
 
2013-12-06 10:46:24 AM

Grungehamster: SlothB77: hopefully they cast zach galifianakis next!

You might have your wish!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederacy_of_dunces#Film_adaptations

Though to be fair, mortality rate for starring in that film isn't too terrible: Belushi, Farley, Candy, and Divine all died early, but Goodman, Fry, and Ferrell are all still around (though none finished the film.)


I was thinkin the same thing when I saw those names.  Goodman's too old to play Ignatius now, but he would have been great.
 
2013-12-06 10:47:24 AM

Iblis824: llortcM_yllort: SDRR: John Wayne portraying Genghis Khan seems like the right formula to hex any major studio production. More than 91 cancer cases were ultimately reported by this film's cast and crew, mostly attributed to radiation particles from an atom bomb test conducted in nearby Nevada, which were still actively in the atmosphere when this movie was filmed over a 13-week period. In fact, 46 people died as a result of the disease, including Wayne and actresses Susan Hayward and Agnes Moorehead, and some suspect it played a part in producer Howard Hughes' physical and mental decline prior to his death in 1976. In fact, rumor has it The Conqueror was the last film he viewed repeatedly in his final days.

Wow. Didn't know that. What the fark, I learned something on Fark today!

On the other hand, there is this:

The 41% incidence of cancer in the cast and crew is very close to that of the general population, but many contend that radioactive fallout from these tests contaminated the film location and poisoned the film crew working there. Despite the suggestion that Wayne's 1964 lung cancer and his 1979 stomach cancer resulted from nuclear contamination, he himself believed his lung cancer to have been a result of his six-pack-a-day cigarette habit.

41% Cancer rate is the same as the general population? That seems somewhat high.


Or not, huh.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-de ve loping-or-dying-from-cancer

I guess it owuld depend on what cancers they all got.
 
2013-12-06 10:47:51 AM

llortcM_yllort: six-pack-a-day cigarette habit.


Wow.  120 cigarettes a day.  That's more than 7 cigarettes an hour for 16 straight hours.
 
2013-12-06 11:54:20 AM

tricycleracer: llortcM_yllort: six-pack-a-day cigarette habit.

Wow.  120 cigarettes a day.  That's more than 7 cigarettes an hour for 16 straight hours.


Yea, I am struggling with how someone could smoke six packs of smokes in a single day, without also doing an eight-ball and pounding a fifth of vodak, of course.
 
2013-12-06 12:24:31 PM

Iblis824: Iblis824: llortcM_yllort: SDRR: John Wayne portraying Genghis Khan seems like the right formula to hex any major studio production. More than 91 cancer cases were ultimately reported by this film's cast and crew, mostly attributed to radiation particles from an atom bomb test conducted in nearby Nevada, which were still actively in the atmosphere when this movie was filmed over a 13-week period. In fact, 46 people died as a result of the disease, including Wayne and actresses Susan Hayward and Agnes Moorehead, and some suspect it played a part in producer Howard Hughes' physical and mental decline prior to his death in 1976. In fact, rumor has it The Conqueror was the last film he viewed repeatedly in his final days.

Wow. Didn't know that. What the fark, I learned something on Fark today!

On the other hand, there is this:

The 41% incidence of cancer in the cast and crew is very close to that of the general population, but many contend that radioactive fallout from these tests contaminated the film location and poisoned the film crew working there. Despite the suggestion that Wayne's 1964 lung cancer and his 1979 stomach cancer resulted from nuclear contamination, he himself believed his lung cancer to have been a result of his six-pack-a-day cigarette habit.

41% Cancer rate is the same as the general population? That seems somewhat high.

Or not, huh.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-de ve loping-or-dying-from-cancer

I guess it owuld depend on what cancers they all got.


Yeah, I love it when statistics are thrown around out of context to try and scare people.  The cast died at the normal cancer rates as the general population---EVERYBODY RUN!!!1!!!1!1

/Did you know 40% of sick days are on Mondays and Fridays?
 
2013-12-06 01:27:25 PM

SDRR: John Wayne portraying Genghis Khan seems like the right formula to hex any major studio production. More than 91 cancer cases were ultimately reported by this film's cast and crew, mostly attributed to radiation particles from an atom bomb test conducted in nearby Nevada, which were still actively in the atmosphere when this movie was filmed over a 13-week period. In fact, 46 people died as a result of the disease, including Wayne and actresses Susan Hayward and Agnes Moorehead, and some suspect it played a part in producer Howard Hughes' physical and mental decline prior to his death in 1976. In fact, rumor has it The Conqueror was the last film he viewed repeatedly in his final days.

Wow. Didn't know that. What the fark, I learned something on Fark today!


It gets even weirder when you know that they trucked in a couple of tons of contaminated earth from the
Nevada Test Range to use on the studio sets.

And then there's the legend that during one big battle scene they caught the crash of an Air Force jet in
the background.
 
2013-12-06 01:37:06 PM

Grungehamster: Honestly thought this was a reference to the many failed adaptations of  A Confederacy of Dunces (strangely fitting for a book that only came out post-humously.)

/see also The Man Who Killed Don Quixote for a cursed film without a real death toll; Lost in La Mancha is a fabulous summary of how doomed that film was.


Orson Welles also tilted at that windmill his entire career without finishing a Quixote film.
 
2013-12-06 02:19:38 PM

czetie: Spatula Porn: I thought the film that had Belushi, Farley, and Candy attached at one time was the bio pic of Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle. Would love to see a film of him made that would help clear his name more, but, again, supposedly jinxed.

Serious question: To the extent that the general public still knows of Arbuckle, do they still associate him with the scandal?

I know it was a huge deal (read: career-killer) at the time, and probably for a generation afterwards he was better known for that than for his film work. But these days, I suspect that people either have only the most passing knowledge of him, or are sufficiently film geeks that they know the full story. But that's just a guess.


Can't speak for others, but I only know he exists because of the scandal.
 
2013-12-06 02:47:21 PM
I don't know about the film, but that page crashes my browser.
 
2013-12-06 03:53:01 PM
I would normally say that the attempted casting of a few morbidly obese actors who then died isn't a story but Kinison was killed in a head on collision that wasn't his fault, had nothing to do with his lifestyle. And of course Phil Hartman's death was farked up.

Q: What kind of wood doesn't float?

A: Lignum vitae- sometimes called ironwood, derived from several sources or Ironwood. Any wood with a gravity of over 1.0" will sink.
 
2013-12-06 04:24:20 PM
It's the Curse of Fatty Arbuckle. Depressed, over-weight, drug- and/or booze- addled comedians dying in droves to play the original depressed, over-weight, drug- or booze- addled comedian.

I thought that was an original idea for a moment there, but I Googled the Curse of Fatty Arbuckle, and damn my eyes if it doesn't lead me right back to this same basic story:

The Curse of Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle, could it be true?
maxinebootie asked 6 years ago
I heard that a biography about the silent film star was to be made years ago. The choice to play the lead was John Belushi. After Belushi's death, the role went to John Candy. After Candy's death the part went to Chris Farley.

It seems that all of those given this part have met with an early demise. Could this part be cursed?


Read more at:   http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080422181116AA8QuHx

Also, I notice that the Fatty Arbuckle bio-pic has already been mentioned above, so I am not the first person in this thread to think of the Curse of Fatty Arbuckle in the context of another movie they were all up for. Were the movies cursed or just the actors?

The actors named have a lot of high risk lifestyle and physical traits in common, so it is hardly surprising that they all died young, but how many years did it take?

Belushi: March 5, 1982
Kineson: April 10, 1992
Candy:  March 4, 1994
Farley:  December 18, 1997


15 years.

General mortality for young males is about 1% a year.  Mortality for angry comedians might be, say, 5% a year, not unlike the normal mortality rate of middle-aged or elderly men.

Multiply 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 you get O.85735, namely a six in seven chance of three being alive--after one year. But that's a one in seven chance of one or more of them dying in any given year. Do it again for all four and you get a 0.8145.  And a close to one in five chance of one or more dying in a given year for all four. Did anybody else go for these same roles? Is he still alive?

Now, take a period of fifteen years ... I can't go on. It's just not worth the trouble. Even if their mortality rate was only double normal despite multiple mortality risks, it isn't all that surprising that they'd all be dead over a period of 15 years. Even healthy young men will die in a period of 15 years by pure coincidence sometimes.

Fact is, all of these over-weight, angry, depressed, addled actors were basket cases and up for the same roles because they had the same body type and personality types to some extent. They didn't even necessarily have to audition. The "curse" is based on roles they considered--which could be an enormous number of scripts, increasing the odds of them receiving the same script for at least a few movies on spec.

Want to bet that Mayor Rob Ford will not be dead by 2035? I have a dough-nut. Hell, I have tonnes of doughnuts if you bet enough. I can send him a box of Tim Horton's Best Do-nuts every day if you are willing to bet enough.
 
2013-12-06 04:35:45 PM

Mugato: I would normally say that the attempted casting of a few morbidly obese actors who then died isn't a story but Kinison was killed in a head on collision that wasn't his fault, had nothing to do with his lifestyle. And of course Phil Hartman's death was farked up.

Q: What kind of wood doesn't float?

A: Lignum vitae- sometimes called ironwood, derived from several sources or Ironwood. Any wood with a gravity of over 1.0" will sink.


Was he on his way to a gig? Car accidents are a health risk for entertainers (see the Curse of A Rebel Without a Cause) because they are on the road a lot more than mere mortals and because they may drive while sleepy, angry, farked-up, etc. If Kineson was not at fault, perhaps he or his driver had poor reflexes and might have survived some other a-hole's mistake. Or it was night and they had poor night-vision due to a diet of roadside junk food, short on carrots.

To an actuary, you are always doing something wrong--the contributing factors to most deaths, especially complications such as car accidents, are innumerable. Kineson was an angry comic. Was he driving too fast? Was he sleepy? Did he make a wrong turn in Albuquerque?

But as my previous post makes clear, he doesn't have to be to blame for his comedian lifestyle to catch up with him or for the odds to simply add him to a list of coincidental casualties that are in reality less mysterious than the "Curse" theory makes them seem.

Blame is different from risk, and risk is different from chance. They can all get you. Each of the comedians may have died from a different "cause" but the "Curse" doesn't care. Some of the people who died from the Curse of King Tut live long, long happy lives AND THEN DIED, decades later. "Curses" are like the Bermuda Triangle. They start out small and gradually embrace the world. Some of the ships and airplanes that are connected to the Bermuda Triangle disappeared near Newfoundland. Really. You could claim the Titantic was a victim of the Triangle although it never went within a thousand miles of the Triangle.

At the rate that the Bermuda Triangle's curse has been expanding, you could die of the curse in your bathtub or an easy chair.
 
2013-12-06 04:50:33 PM
Is this where I jump in and state that if you wait long enough, everyone who ever starred in a movie will die of tragic or natural causes?
 
2013-12-06 05:17:43 PM

brantgoose: Was he on his way to a gig? Car accidents are a health risk for entertainers (see the Curse of A Rebel Without a Cause) because they are on the road a lot more than mere mortals and because they may drive while sleepy, angry, farked-up, etc. If Kineson was not at fault, perhaps he or his driver had poor reflexes and might have survived some other a-hole's mistake. Or it was night and they had poor night-vision due to a diet of roadside junk food, short on carrots.

To an actuary, you are always doing something wrong--the contributing factors to most deaths, especially complications such as car accidents, are innumerable. Kineson was an angry comic. Was he driving too fast? Was he sleepy? Did he make a wrong turn in Albuquerque?


He wasn't driving.
 
2013-12-06 05:49:05 PM
Candy and Farley were both too fat to play Fatty anyway.

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-12-06 08:20:03 PM

Grungehamster: Honestly thought this was a reference to the many failed adaptations of  A Confederacy of Dunces (strangely fitting for a book that only came out post-humously.)

/see also The Man Who Killed Don Quixote for a cursed film without a real death toll; Lost in La Mancha is a fabulous summary of how doomed that film was.


That is what I suspected, also. I have come to the realization that I think that a movie of Confederacy would blow and I am ok if it is never made.
 
2013-12-06 09:37:24 PM
Every actor, who ever played a part in any movie ever, has either already died, or eventually will, die.
Except, of course, Abe Vigoda.
 
2013-12-06 10:50:22 PM
The Superman franchise has the flimiest excuse for a curse ever.

And the Don Quixote thing is more about finding backers. Nobody with the right kind of money even knows it was a book before it was a musical.
 
2013-12-06 11:44:44 PM

brantgoose: Mugato: I would normally say that the attempted casting of a few morbidly obese actors who then died isn't a story but Kinison was killed in a head on collision that wasn't his fault, had nothing to do with his lifestyle. And of course Phil Hartman's death was farked up.

Q: What kind of wood doesn't float?

A: Lignum vitae- sometimes called ironwood, derived from several sources or Ironwood. Any wood with a gravity of over 1.0" will sink.

Was he on his way to a gig? Car accidents are a health risk for entertainers (see the Curse of A Rebel Without a Cause) because they are on the road a lot more than mere mortals and because they may drive while sleepy, angry, farked-up, etc. If Kineson was not at fault, perhaps he or his driver had poor reflexes and might have survived some other a-hole's mistake. Or it was night and they had poor night-vision due to a diet of roadside junk food, short on carrots.

To an actuary, you are always doing something wrong--the contributing factors to most deaths, especially complications such as car accidents, are innumerable. Kineson was an angry comic. Was he driving too fast? Was he sleepy? Did he make a wrong turn in Albuquerque?

But as my previous post makes clear, he doesn't have to be to blame for his comedian lifestyle to catch up with him or for the odds to simply add him to a list of coincidental casualties that are in reality less mysterious than the "Curse" theory makes them seem.

Blame is different from risk, and risk is different from chance. They can all get you. Each of the comedians may have died from a different "cause" but the "Curse" doesn't care. Some of the people who died from the Curse of King Tut live long, long happy lives AND THEN DIED, decades later. "Curses" are like the Bermuda Triangle. They start out small and gradually embrace the world. Some of the ships and airplanes that are connected to the Bermuda Triangle disappeared near Newfoundland. Really. You could claim the Titantic was a victim of the Tri ...


Kinison was on his way to Vegas for his honeymoon.  He just got married to Malika in SoCal.  Not sure who was driving Sam's car, but the person driving the other car was a drunk dude who veered into The path of Sam's Trans Am.
 
2013-12-06 11:55:31 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: brantgoose: Mugato: I would normally say that the attempted casting of a few morbidly obese actors who then died isn't a story but Kinison was killed in a head on collision that wasn't his fault, had nothing to do with his lifestyle. And of course Phil Hartman's death was farked up.

Q: What kind of wood doesn't float?

A: Lignum vitae- sometimes called ironwood, derived from several sources or Ironwood. Any wood with a gravity of over 1.0" will sink.

Was he on his way to a gig? Car accidents are a health risk for entertainers (see the Curse of A Rebel Without a Cause) because they are on the road a lot more than mere mortals and because they may drive while sleepy, angry, farked-up, etc. If Kineson was not at fault, perhaps he or his driver had poor reflexes and might have survived some other a-hole's mistake. Or it was night and they had poor night-vision due to a diet of roadside junk food, short on carrots.

To an actuary, you are always doing something wrong--the contributing factors to most deaths, especially complications such as car accidents, are innumerable. Kineson was an angry comic. Was he driving too fast? Was he sleepy? Did he make a wrong turn in Albuquerque?

But as my previous post makes clear, he doesn't have to be to blame for his comedian lifestyle to catch up with him or for the odds to simply add him to a list of coincidental casualties that are in reality less mysterious than the "Curse" theory makes them seem.

Blame is different from risk, and risk is different from chance. They can all get you. Each of the comedians may have died from a different "cause" but the "Curse" doesn't care. Some of the people who died from the Curse of King Tut live long, long happy lives AND THEN DIED, decades later. "Curses" are like the Bermuda Triangle. They start out small and gradually embrace the world. Some of the ships and airplanes that are connected to the Bermuda Triangle disappeared near Newfoundland. Really. You could claim the Titantic was a victi ...


CORRECTION:    Sam was on his way to a sold-outs show in Laughlin, NV.  He was just married six days prior.  His wife was in the car too, but she survived with minor injuries.  The wiki page does not say who was driving Sam's car.
 
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