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2013-12-06 12:01:12 AM
I hear it's like a mini mall.
 
2013-12-06 12:12:00 AM
A first class flea can fetch a pretty high price.
 
2013-12-06 12:12:29 AM
I thought individual retailers sold at flea markets? Did they sue them because they did nothing to stop the sales? I could just read the article. I could.
 
2013-12-06 12:23:18 AM
And the irony? The knockoffs were better!
 
2013-12-06 12:29:08 AM
   Man the comments on that article make me thankful for FARK's filter.  Pretty much 100% of the comments are WorkAtHome spam.

/This mom's secret lets me earn 10,000,000,00 a month from home!
 
2013-12-06 12:29:35 AM

hervatski: I thought individual retailers sold at flea markets? Did they sue them because they did nothing to stop the sales? I could just read the article. I could.


Probably something in the contract the vendors sign with the corporation who provides the space.  You know, not to sell anything stolen or illegal... like bootleg merch that the corporation has been repeatedly told that vendors are selling.  Could be wrong, I ain't reading shiat either.
 
2013-12-06 12:33:20 AM
Actually yes, the swap shop is huge; or at least big enough to actually have insurance that would cover the bulk of that settlement.

Its a known destination for tourists, particularly from south america.
 
2013-12-06 12:33:33 AM

hervatski: I thought individual retailers sold at flea markets? Did they sue them because they did nothing to stop the sales? I could just read the article. I could.


This is purely my experience growing up 5 minutes from a flea market for 90% of my life, but there are no 'retailers' at a flea market, it's the equivalent of a garage sale shopping mall. Mosteverything you find there is of extremely poor quality sold at rock bottom prices to scrape a profit. Occasionally you find a vendor who really puts effort into their craft and is selling a genuinely unique product but there are few diamonds in the rough.

Flea markets are also a breeding ground for selling stolen merchandise. You will often find high end merchandise there for questionably low prices. This is actually known to happen in my local area quite often.
 
2013-12-06 12:38:03 AM
So set up one stall to sell unmarked purses with convenient snaps, and another stall sells convenient metal logos. It's merely a coincidence that they fit together. But neither is selling a "counterfeit" purse. They're probably all made by the same barefoot artisans working on dirt floors in Nepal anyways. What a bunch of nonsense. And this is how some people make money.
 
2013-12-06 12:38:27 AM
It's a decent flea market, just be sure to bring a translator
 
2013-12-06 12:42:47 AM
I'm not a wealthy person by any means, but having been dragged by my wife into the Coach store on occasion, it's not exactly a super pricey item - especially if you are talking factory outlet.  It's kind of meant to be affordable "luxury" - if there is such a thing.

If you are going to buy a knock off item, wouldn't it be better to get a fake gucci, LV or Hermes bag?
 
2013-12-06 12:43:27 AM
Back to what TDS was doing about "Corporations get away with shiat you'd go to jail for"
 
2013-12-06 12:43:29 AM
Ok fark lawyers I need help again - I've been to a few flea markets in my time, I've seen oakley sunglasses for sale, maybe even "coach" purses... how the fark do you know if its fake or not? do I need to dial 1800-pawn-stars for an expert?
I doubt seriously the owners "turned a blind eye" - they probably assumed it was useless garbage like everything else sold at a flea market.

/only reason I say oakley's is because I get 50 facebook advertisments a day "REAL OAKLEYS!!!! $25!!!!" - shouldn't facebook face the same penalty or is it because facebook isn't a small business where the owner knowing cannot pay 5 million off in 15 lifetimes vs facebook?
 
2013-12-06 12:45:19 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It's a decent flea market, just be sure to bring a translator


¿Dónde están los bolsos Coach?
 
2013-12-06 12:47:34 AM
i.usatoday.net
 
2013-12-06 12:57:10 AM
I can honestly laud coach for doing this. about 15 years ago, my sister in law gave my wife a Dooney , a cheap knockoff i had my wife get rid of before I got her a real one. Later on, i bought her a coach wallet, billfold and purse. That crap isn't cheap, but how often do you buy stuff like that?Knockoffs do serve to dilute the product, regardless what people tell you. i once had a coworker with a d7b notebook, which I told her was fake, she swore it was.  I then took a real one I bought for my wife to show her. we're older, we don't have much, but what we do have lasts.
 
2013-12-06 12:59:44 AM
I am sure there is outrage among the flea market consumers to learn that the vinyl handbag with a crooked zipper and torn lining they bought for $20 is actually a knockoff of a $300 Coach bag. Nothing gentrifies the trailer park like faux  Gucci or Ralph Lauren.
 
2013-12-06 01:00:56 AM
It's funny how women treat brands like that. For "male" targeted items - tools, etc, you know why you're paying a premium for certain brands. Metal gears instead of plastic. Heavier gauge wiring, high-strength connecting parts, different types of casting, etc.

Women can't seem to bring themselves to see that the $400 Coach purse they so desire was made in the same factory that makes the Walmart specials.
 
2013-12-06 01:02:35 AM
i've been to large swap meets where the majority of stalls were professionals with real businesses selling the same items week after week, be it sunglasses, jeans, plants, tools, food, or folding carts for shopping at big swap meets....
apparently this place had a large number of designer counterfeit selling stalls.

some rich coont who can afford the real thing probably got sick of seeing others with her purse and complained.
 
2013-12-06 01:04:29 AM

SirEattonHogg: I'm not a wealthy person by any means, but having been dragged by my wife into the Coach store on occasion, it's not exactly a super pricey item - especially if you are talking factory outlet.  It's kind of meant to be affordable "luxury" - if there is such a thing.

If you are going to buy a knock off item, wouldn't it be better to get a fake gucci, LV or Hermes bag?




They are cheap luxury. My wife loves her Coach purses, but they are on the low end of cost compared to her Dooney & Burke and her Michael Kors bags, and even those aren't close to expensive compared to the true high end stuff.
 
2013-12-06 01:09:55 AM

Misconduc: /only reason I say oakley's is because I get 50 facebook advertisments a day "REAL OAKLEYS!!!! $25!!!!" - shouldn't facebook face the same penalty or is it because facebook isn't a small business where the owner knowing cannot pay 5 million off in 15 lifetimes vs facebook?


The price on Oakleys are 90% name.  Much like coach purses.  There are options for cheap 'real' ones, like importing ones sold overseas for a fraction of the price(violating trade agreements, but eh...), used, or even simply 'not marked up to the MSRP like the company wants'.

Still, the general standard sites like facebook, malls, and fleamarkets are held to is 'best effort'.  If the flea market owner has a history of kicking out and banning dealers of fake goods, and there's something in the agreement forms that this will happen if you're caught, and he actually walks around occasionally looking for fakes as well as responding to reports of fakes being sold, it'd be unlikely that he'd be held responsible.
 
2013-12-06 01:16:55 AM

SirEattonHogg: I'm not a wealthy person by any means, but having been dragged by my wife into the Coach store on occasion, it's not exactly a super pricey item - especially if you are talking factory outlet.  It's kind of meant to be affordable "luxury" - if there is such a thing.

If you are going to buy a knock off item, wouldn't it be better to get a fake gucci, LV or Hermes bag?


i think the place was full of vendors selling all sorts of counterfeit stuff, not just coach.
perhaps it isn't feasible to be selling too many fake $2000 purses, but since as you say it is sort of affordable (unless you are poor) so it isn't unrealistic for people to have them.

for example, one girl i know wastes huge amounts on these freaking purses. if she she somebody else with one, she immediately assumes fake, unless they look rich,
 
2013-12-06 01:19:59 AM
Neither side admitted any wrongdoing or liability

Why would Coach have admitted either of those things?
 
2013-12-06 01:44:58 AM
most people who own flea markets or rent out land to allow the to be held on do not care what being sold so long as they are paid and it doesn't bring the cops on to the property.

That said the local flea markets here don't sell much in the way of new stuff , its by in large older collectable stuf ranging from thift store/garage sale quality to  the rare good stuff usually for inflated prices.

That said it only when something like this happens and they get slapped with a lawsuit that they take a closer look.
 
2013-12-06 01:55:31 AM
This is the place with the indoor circus, isn't it?  During my only trip to Davie, I was told that this is what there was to do there on the weekends.  I will always be haunted by the hoarders' and lowlifes' lank and greasy hair, Virginia Slims, and small eyes recessed deep into fat.
 
2013-12-06 01:57:53 AM

grimlock1972: most people who own flea markets or rent out land to allow the to be held on do not care what being sold so long as they are paid and it doesn't bring the cops on to the property.

That said the local flea markets here don't sell much in the way of new stuff , its by in large older collectable stuf ranging from thift store/garage sale quality to  the rare good stuff usually for inflated prices.

That said it only when something like this happens and they get slapped with a lawsuit that they take a closer look.


one near me

a tiny section of it

101thingstodosw.com
 
2013-12-06 02:00:55 AM
Back in about 1985 my in-laws were involved in the huge fake sweatshirts business going on at the time.  They sold anything from Coca Cola to Mickey Mouse.  The fakes got so bad the feds finally banned blank Coca Cola red 50/50 sweatshirts from being imported.  I believe they also ended up banning the deep blue shirts used to fake Chicago Bears 1985 Super Bowl sweat shirts.  In 1986 Coca Cola lead a crack down on the shirts, and my in laws lost about $2000 in confiscated merchandise.  They also got fined $1500 in federal court, and promised not to sell fake coke shirts again.

When shopping at flea markets just assume everything is fake.
 
2013-12-06 02:15:39 AM

duke3522: Back in about 1985 my in-laws were involved in the huge fake sweatshirts business going on at the time.  They sold anything from Coca Cola to Mickey Mouse.  The fakes got so bad the feds finally banned blank Coca Cola red 50/50 sweatshirts from being imported.  I believe they also ended up banning the deep blue shirts used to fake Chicago Bears 1985 Super Bowl sweat shirts.  In 1986 Coca Cola lead a crack down on the shirts, and my in laws lost about $2000 in confiscated merchandise.  They also got fined $1500 in federal court, and promised not to sell fake coke shirts again.

When shopping at flea markets just assume everything is fake.


Unless I know how to tell if it is or not , i always do.
 
2013-12-06 02:23:10 AM

Ensayia: hervatski: I thought individual retailers sold at flea markets? Did they sue them because they did nothing to stop the sales? I could just read the article. I could.

This is purely my experience growing up 5 minutes from a flea market for 90% of my life, but there are no 'retailers' at a flea market, it's the equivalent of a garage sale shopping mall. Mosteverything you find there is of extremely poor quality sold at rock bottom prices to scrape a profit. Occasionally you find a vendor who really puts effort into their craft and is selling a genuinely unique product but there are few diamonds in the rough.

Flea markets are also a breeding ground for selling stolen merchandise. You will often find high end merchandise there for questionably low prices. This is actually known to happen in my local area quite often.


Which is great unless they try and charge full price for crappy merch that falls apart after a week, although, free media online and cheap, decent knock-offs make up for that, somewhat.
 
2013-12-06 02:29:11 AM

Makh: I hear it's like a mini mall.


Came for this!

(I'm actually going to Montgomery tomorrow too.)
 
2013-12-06 02:30:52 AM
I love flea market mashup brands like:

Panashiba
Kenford
Rockwood
Samsonic

$20 for a 400-watt power booster with 9 band equalizer and spectrum analyzer and high level speaker inputs? Awwwyeah!
 
2013-12-06 02:47:43 AM

Misconduc: Ok fark lawyers I need help again - I've been to a few flea markets in my time, I've seen oakley sunglasses for sale, maybe even "coach" purses... how the fark do you know if its fake or not? do I need to dial 1800-pawn-stars for an expert?
I doubt seriously the owners "turned a blind eye" - they probably assumed it was useless garbage like everything else sold at a flea market.

/only reason I say oakley's is because I get 50 facebook advertisments a day "REAL OAKLEYS!!!! $25!!!!" - shouldn't facebook face the same penalty or is it because facebook isn't a small business where the owner knowing cannot pay 5 million off in 15 lifetimes vs Facebook?


DNRTFA -but real Coach bags actually have serial numbers on them-on the inside, stamped on a metal plate.
 
2013-12-06 03:16:25 AM

tricycleracer: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It's a decent flea market, just be sure to bring a translator

¿Dónde están los bolsos Coach?


More like "Où sont les sacs à main Coach?"  There is a large Haitian population in the part of Ft Lauderdale where the Swap Shop is located.
 
2013-12-06 05:03:07 AM
I've been to this place. It's like walking into a third world country. Fake knockoffs and GPS's stolen from the parking lot.
 
2013-12-06 05:20:54 AM

Two_Noodles: [i.usatoday.net image 675x450]


www.thurstytoad.com
"hello? Just a second... Is there an Ernie Pantuso here?"
"Sam: That's you, Coach!"
"Speaking!"
 
2013-12-06 06:06:32 AM
Flea market people are basically just upper class carnies, who don't want to get dressed up to go to Walmart.
 
2013-12-06 06:10:42 AM

SirEattonHogg: I'm not a wealthy person by any means, but having been dragged by my wife into the Coach store on occasion, it's not exactly a super pricey item - especially if you are talking factory outlet.  It's kind of meant to be affordable "luxury" - if there is such a thing.

If you are going to buy a knock off item, wouldn't it be better to get a fake gucci, LV or Hermes bag?


I find it strange that there is a market for fake Tissot watches.  They cost about half what a real one costs-- so they are usually priced above $100.  It makes me wonder what the margins are on these things.

I guess it is more plausible to own a Tissot than a Rolex if you are, well, anyone that I might know....
 
2013-12-06 07:52:42 AM
The wife always believes her knockoff Coach/Dooney/Gucci/Franklin Mint Purse is the real one that the ghetto mall guy accidentally sold her. You know, because every purse sales guy in the ghetto mall has to have at least one real purse in order to sell the knockoffs. Or something.
 
2013-12-06 08:04:15 AM

Harry Freakstorm: The wife always believes her knockoff Coach/Dooney/Gucci/Franklin Mint Purse is the real one that the ghetto mall guy accidentally sold her. You know, because every purse sales guy in the ghetto mall has to have at least one real purse in order to sell the knockoffs. Or something.


That is hilarious.

The CEO from my last job was richer than belief.  On a trip to NYC we had to stop off to do some back alley shopping where she loaded up two suit cases full of fake handbags.  This from someone who can afford the real thing.  I guess if you are rich, no one assumes you are carrying  a fake bag around.  That, and she has no shame.  None at all.
 
2013-12-06 09:24:36 AM
I've never really understood this.  Here in MO there are not only flea markets that sell this knock-off stuff (mostly purses) but stores, road-side stands, etc.  Everyone knows it.  Heck, they even advertise it on signs and such.  The local authorities do absolutely nothing about it.  Those same police would raid your home if you were caught illegally downloading music or movies, but they let this go on without so much as a peep.
 
2013-12-06 09:24:53 AM

Nexzus: It's funny how women treat brands like that. For "male" targeted items - tools, etc, you know why you're paying a premium for certain brands. Metal gears instead of plastic. Heavier gauge wiring, high-strength connecting parts, different types of casting, etc.

Women can't seem to bring themselves to see that the $400 Coach purse they so desire was made in the same factory that makes the Walmart specials.


The rules are different for leather goods and the quality usually is better with the more that you pay. Since leather is a natural good, the production is limited by the number of cattle that go up to the sky every year. If you're making a leather purse and you want pristine leather with no flaws in it, you're going to be looking at a lot of skins (or paying someone to). For example, American leather doesn't go into any fine leather goods because it's got barbed-wire scars on it. Lesser skins can have their grain corrected for mid-market items, but the high-end stuff relies on a genuinely rare commodity. Imagine a company that will only use one in a thousand skins and then imagine the manpower that goes into inspecting all that leather! Then you've got to cut and assemble all of it with good construction without damaging the leather in the process. That's the Hermes model.

I think a close analog is men's shoes, where a $300 shoe will definitely last a lot longer than a $40 shoe.

All this kind of flies out the window when it comes to the very high-end stuff, since I don't think the value justification holds up well there. Berluti's $1,200 shoes do not last longer than Allen Edmonds. I also can't understand people spending $100+ on the canvas Coach bags.
 
2013-12-06 09:29:05 AM

duke3522: Back in about 1985 my in-laws were involved in the huge fake sweatshirts business going on at the time.  They sold anything from Coca Cola to Mickey Mouse.  The fakes got so bad the feds finally banned blank Coca Cola red 50/50 sweatshirts from being imported.  I believe they also ended up banning the deep blue shirts used to fake Chicago Bears 1985 Super Bowl sweat shirts.  In 1986 Coca Cola lead a crack down on the shirts, and my in laws lost about $2000 in confiscated merchandise.  They also got fined $1500 in federal court, and promised not to sell fake coke shirts again.

When shopping at flea markets just assume everything is fake Or 'fell off a truck.'


FTFY
 
2013-12-06 09:32:59 AM
  Not sure about the designer handbag market, but in Texas they have been going after the flea market vendors selling bootleg DVD copies.  I've seen several raids where they swoop in and hit all the sellers at the same time.  Easy to spot, sellers with nothing but scanned copies of the DVD covers on their tables, and the DVD's in paper sleeves in a Rubbermaid tote in the back of their car.

  And like the article, they figure instead of prosecuting all the sellers, just go after the proprietor of the flea market itself.
 
2013-12-06 09:40:28 AM
For twelve years my wife and I ran a handbag business at the local swap meet.  Quite lucrative.  The important thing is to know the difference between a knockoff or look-a-like and a counterfeit.  The "copyright cops" came through regularly and we always were able to satisfy them that ours were enough different not to have trouble.  Early on in our career we had a couple of counterfeit Louis and they were very good.  Also expensive.  As soon as we learned the difference we switched to look-a-likes and never had a problem.  Wife still has her counterfeit Louis 20+ years later.
It sounds like these people were selling counterfeits instead of look-a-likes which is a shame because the good look-a-likes are often very good quality.  Dooney and Coach in particular.
 
2013-12-06 10:08:57 AM

Nexzus: It's funny how women treat brands like that. For "male" targeted items - tools, etc, you know why you're paying a premium for certain brands. Metal gears instead of plastic. Heavier gauge wiring, high-strength connecting parts, different types of casting, etc.

Women can't seem to bring themselves to see that the $400 Coach purse they so desire was made in the same factory that makes the Walmart specials.


As someone who sees cheap tools sold online, rebranded with snap-on, matco and mac logos, I call bullshiat. Half the stuff sold by "premium" tool makers is just rebranded lile, SK, Ingersoll Rand at 2-3 times the price. And mechanics buy it because "herp derp Snap-on's the best!"

Also keep in mind, men are the ones keeping Nike, Rolex, etc. afloat.
 
2013-12-06 10:09:39 AM
"If that's real Louis, I'm Tom Cruise!"
 
2013-12-06 10:48:17 AM

dirkfunk: Nexzus: It's funny how women treat brands like that. For "male" targeted items - tools, etc, you know why you're paying a premium for certain brands. Metal gears instead of plastic. Heavier gauge wiring, high-strength connecting parts, different types of casting, etc.

Women can't seem to bring themselves to see that the $400 Coach purse they so desire was made in the same factory that makes the Walmart specials.

As someone who sees cheap tools sold online, rebranded with snap-on, matco and mac logos, I call bullshiat. Half the stuff sold by "premium" tool makers is just rebranded lile, SK, Ingersoll Rand at 2-3 times the price. And mechanics buy it because "herp derp Snap-on's the best!"

Also keep in mind, men are the ones keeping Nike, Rolex, etc. afloat.


My Wera screwdrivers are still real to me dammit!
 
2013-12-06 05:30:17 PM

The Pope of Manwich Village: I love flea market mashup brands like:

Panashiba
Kenford
Rockwood
Samsonic

$20 for a 400-watt power booster with 9 band equalizer and spectrum analyzer and high level speaker inputs? Awwwyeah!


Best one I've ever seen, Dunkacell
 
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