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2013-12-05 08:02:59 PM
Wonder who they'd get to play Mister Sinister?
Assuming he'd be in the film that is,
 
2013-12-05 08:15:40 PM

SilentStrider: Wonder who they'd get to play Mister Sinister?
Assuming he'd be in the film that is,


It can't be AoA, so just something with Apocalypse as the bad guy. Don't think Sinister would be in it, that would have to be a whole different story line.
Or just confuse everyone and do the 10 years after AoA story line.
 
2013-12-05 08:31:58 PM

simplicimus: SilentStrider: Wonder who they'd get to play Mister Sinister?
Assuming he'd be in the film that is,

It can't be AoA, so just something with Apocalypse as the bad guy. Don't think Sinister would be in it, that would have to be a whole different story line.
Or just confuse everyone and do the 10 years after AoA story line.



Sinister was one of Apocalypse's chief Lieutenants in the 616 universe, at least at first.
And they could actually tie some of his Holocaust eugenics experiments with Magneto's backstory,
 
2013-12-05 08:39:19 PM

SilentStrider: And they could actually tie some of his Holocaust eugenics experiments with Magneto's backstory,


Not familiar with that backstory. Anything to do with Magneto turning Nemesis into Holocaust?
 
2013-12-05 09:04:29 PM

SilentStrider: Sinister was one of Apocalypse's chief Lieutenants in the 616 universe, at least at first.
And they could actually tie some of his Holocaust eugenics experiments with Magneto's backstory,


Actually, I don't think the connection between Sinister and Apocalypse was established until later on in the '94 miniseries The Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix which included Sinister's origin story and established him as being from the 19th century, making a deal with Apocalypse for virtual immortality, as well as establishing that Cable was Nathan Summers and that Sinister had created Nathan/Cable to destroy Apocalypse.

  Before that, he was leader of the Marauders and was shown to have manipulated Cyclops's childhood as well as created Madelyne Pryor so that she and Cyclops would have a child.
   (Wikipedia mentions that there was originally a planned origin story that Sinister was in an orphanage with Scott Summers, but the creator left Marvel before putting that into the story line, so his origin got done in that later miniseries instead.)
 
2013-12-05 09:09:16 PM

simplicimus: SilentStrider: And they could actually tie some of his Holocaust eugenics experiments with Magneto's backstory,

Not familiar with that backstory. Anything to do with Magneto turning Nemesis into Holocaust?


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He meant the WW2 holocaust.  I don't know the issues, but some story in the last decade or so established that Sinister did human experimentation alongside the Nazis.
 
2013-12-05 09:15:02 PM

SilentStrider: Wonder who they'd get to play Mister Sinister?
Assuming he'd be in the film that is,


Cumberbatch.
 
2013-12-05 09:18:04 PM
I don't do the comic books, but robot killing machines built by Trask? Obvious anagram, and a short sober opposite of Stark.
 
2013-12-05 09:21:02 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: simplicimus: SilentStrider: And they could actually tie some of his Holocaust eugenics experiments with Magneto's backstory,

Not familiar with that backstory. Anything to do with Magneto turning Nemesis into Holocaust?

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He meant the WW2 holocaust.  I don't know the issues, but some story in the last decade or so established that Sinister did human experimentation alongside the Nazis.


I was referring to a missing to a missing chunk in AoA. One of the horsemen is called Holocaust, who seems to be globs of energy in a plastic suit. He was a human looking mutant called Nemesis who killed Wanda, then Magento did something unknown to him.
 
2013-12-05 09:21:31 PM

wildcardjack: I don't do the comic books, but robot killing machines built by Trask? Obvious anagram, and a short sober opposite of Stark.


They can't cross the streams. Movie X-Men are not allowed to acknowledge the Marvel movie universe and vice versa. And Spider-Man just stares at all of them.
 
2013-12-05 09:24:14 PM

simplicimus: SilentStrider: Wonder who they'd get to play Mister Sinister?
Assuming he'd be in the film that is,

It can't be AoA, so just something with Apocalypse as the bad guy. Don't think Sinister would be in it, that would have to be a whole different story line.
Or just confuse everyone and do the 10 years after AoA story line.


DO WANT an AoA film. That would kick ass.
 
2013-12-05 09:24:32 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: simplicimus: SilentStrider: And they could actually tie some of his Holocaust eugenics experiments with Magneto's backstory,

Not familiar with that backstory. Anything to do with Magneto turning Nemesis into Holocaust?

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He meant the WW2 holocaust.  I don't know the issues, but some story in the last decade or so established that Sinister did human experimentation alongside the Nazis.


In his defense, Magneto was actually directly responsible for Nemesis being turned into the character Holocaust in AoA.
 
2013-12-05 09:25:15 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: simplicimus: SilentStrider: And they could actually tie some of his Holocaust eugenics experiments with Magneto's backstory,

Not familiar with that backstory. Anything to do with Magneto turning Nemesis into Holocaust?

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He meant the WW2 holocaust.  I don't know the issues, but some story in the last decade or so established that Sinister did human experimentation alongside the Nazis.



*puts geek hat on*
Sinister worked for the Nazis, using their actions as cover for his own experiments (think Mengele, but worse). He even tried to create a Nazi super soldierish type mutant based off of Namor, that managed to beat both Namor and the original Human Torch, but then had its ass kicked by Captain America, much to Sinister's consternation.

Shrugging Atlas: SilentStrider: Wonder who they'd get to play Mister Sinister?
Assuming he'd be in the film that is,

Cumberbatch.


Ooooh.
 
2013-12-05 09:26:40 PM
And Sinister working for the Third Reich was in the 616 universe, not AoA.
 
2013-12-05 09:26:52 PM

houstondragon: DO WANT an AoA film. That would kick ass.


The problem is it's basically impossible to do the original storyline justice in one film, maybe even a trilogy.  Then there's the matter of making it approachable to average movie goers who have never read or heard of the AoA story, or for the character Apocalypse for that matter since he's never been mentioned in any of the numerous X films.

I'd love to see it, but I don't think there's any way it wouldn't just disappoint the living hell out of everyone that does.
 
2013-12-05 09:27:48 PM

houstondragon: simplicimus: SilentStrider: Wonder who they'd get to play Mister Sinister?
Assuming he'd be in the film that is,

It can't be AoA, so just something with Apocalypse as the bad guy. Don't think Sinister would be in it, that would have to be a whole different story line.
Or just confuse everyone and do the 10 years after AoA story line.

DO WANT an AoA film. That would kick ass.


I also want an AoA film, but it would have to be a trilogy. There's too much storyline.
 
2013-12-05 09:30:28 PM

simplicimus: then Magento did something unknown to him.


He flayed all the skin from his body in Japan and left him for dead.  Then Apocalypse and the AoA Beast stuck him in the goofy looking suit and renamed him Holocaust.
 
2013-12-05 09:32:18 PM
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Method acting.
/called it!
 
2013-12-05 09:34:25 PM

Shrugging Atlas: simplicimus: then Magento did something unknown to him.

He flayed all the skin from his body in Japan and left him for dead.  Then Apocalypse and the AoA Beast stuck him in the goofy looking suit and renamed him Holocaust.


Thanks. That's missing from the almost complete AoA Omnibus.
 
2013-12-05 09:35:23 PM
As for this movie, I'm guessing all the time travelling and what not they are doing in Days of Future Past will be used to somehow 'awaken' Apocalypse in some post-credit scene and they'll just do a straight up non-AoA story of Apocalypse doing his thing.  And I have to think by then Sir Ian will have had to finally hang up his cape once and for all so if they involve Magneto at all it's going to have to be Fassbemder (which I'm more than happy with).
 
2013-12-05 09:36:29 PM

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Method acting.
/called it!


What the heck is that? From neck down, it's AoA Wolverine. But what's with the face.
 
2013-12-05 09:43:17 PM

simplicimus: Trocadero: [marvellegends.net image 576x768]

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Method acting.
/called it!

What the heck is that? From neck down, it's AoA Wolverine. But what's with the face.


He's still got the AoA tats on his head.  I'm guessing maybe that's supposed to be from the scene where Wolverine gets all fried...doing something I don't know what but I remember it because his hair was shown growing back panel to panel.

Thanks. That's missing from the almost complete AoA Omnibus.

Just don't ask me how I remember that.  For some reason my mind retains an absolutely absurd amount of AoA trivia for reasons beyond my understanding.
 
2013-12-05 09:48:51 PM
So this will be his 7th time playing the character? 8th? I'd say it's close to a record but I just found out that Desmond Llewelyn played "Q" in 17 Bond movies.
 
2013-12-05 10:01:34 PM

simplicimus: I was referring to a missing to a missing chunk in AoA. One of the horsemen is called Holocaust, who seems to be globs of energy in a plastic suit. He was a human looking mutant called Nemesis who killed Wanda, then Magento did something unknown to him.


I think I actually prefer that name for him, and it is the color he wears....

Shrugging Atlas: In his defense, Magneto was actually directly responsible for Nemesis being turned into the character Holocaust in AoA.


I know the character (I read all of AoA when it was originally released), I just wasn't sure if he actually didn't consider the OP as a reference to the historical holocaust.

  As for what Magneto did to Nemesis, I don't have the comics handy to take a look, but between wikipedia and the Marvel wiki they say that either Magneto used his powers to remove most of Nemesis's flesh, or to tear him apart from the inside.  Then Dark Beast built the suit to contain his energies. Its not stated, but I think he might only have continued to exist that way because he had absorbed a massive amount of energy from Sunfire.
 
2013-12-05 10:05:53 PM
Don't we have to wait to see if anyone watches X-men Future Past, before dreaming of the next sequel?
 
2013-12-05 10:18:43 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Don't we have to wait to see if anyone watches X-men Future Past, before dreaming of the next sequel?


Nah, we already now that Days of Future Past will only share the name of the comic and maybe part of the story.
 
2013-12-05 10:23:34 PM
OH GOOD ANOTHER COLORING BOOK MOVIE I CANT WAIT TO TURN OFF MY BRAIN AND WATCH FLYING PEOPLE AND SHINY ASPLOSIONS
 
2013-12-05 10:29:52 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Don't we have to wait to see if anyone watches X-men Future Past, before dreaming of the next sequel?


I don't think that will be a problem.
 
2013-12-05 10:51:10 PM

SilentStrider: Wonder who they'd get to play Mister Sinister?
Assuming he'd be in the film that is,


i always thought Henry Rollins would be perfect
 
2013-12-05 11:14:20 PM
James Earl Jones for the voice of Apocalypse.
 
2013-12-05 11:53:50 PM

Marshmallow Jones: OH GOOD ANOTHER COLORING BOOK MOVIE I CANT WAIT TO TURN OFF MY BRAIN AND WATCH FLYING PEOPLE AND SHINY ASPLOSIONS


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2013-12-06 01:27:25 AM
Moar shirtless Hugh Jackman?

Yes plz.

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2013-12-06 05:35:38 AM
What's an X-man?
 
2013-12-06 07:48:58 AM

DubyaHater: What's an X-man?


Something Disney Marvel wants to buy the rights to but haven't forked over an offer with enough 0's behind it. Not that Fox would since its their big money franchise now. I keep having hopes that they dont get a Fantastic 4 reboot out fast enough and lose rights so at least Disney gets them into the fold
 
2013-12-06 09:01:15 AM

Shrugging Atlas: As for this movie, I'm guessing all the time travelling and what not they are doing in Days of Future Past will be used to somehow 'awaken' Apocalypse in some post-credit scene and they'll just do a straight up non-AoA story of Apocalypse doing his thing.  And I have to think by then Sir Ian will have had to finally hang up his cape once and for all so if they involve Magneto at all it's going to have to be Fassbemder (which I'm more than happy with).


Think we'll see Angel become Archangel?
 
2013-12-06 10:09:18 AM
Hot like Prime!

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2013-12-06 10:52:32 AM

DubyaHater: What's an X-man?



Son of Cyclops and Jean Grey. Genetically engineered by Mister Sinister. Also an alternate universe version of Cable.
 
2013-12-06 11:45:13 AM

SilentStrider: DubyaHater: What's an X-man?


Son of Cyclops and Jean Grey. Genetically engineered by Mister Sinister. Also an alternate universe version of Cable.


He also had an existence in another universe. He, Holocaust, Evil Beast and Sugarman popped into the other universe at the end of AoA.
 
2013-12-06 12:13:04 PM

INeedAName: Think we'll see Angel become Archangel?


I think it's certainly possible.  I think the best way to really have Apocalypse in the movie is to have him more pulling the strings behind a more 'fightable' group of bad guys.  So I could absolutely see them using Sinister and the Marauders and doing the Mutant Massacre storyline as the driving force behind the film.  The good guys win, but at the cost of losing Angel to Apocalypse like in the comics, etc.

I just think it would be really strange to all the sudden introduce this uber-powerful mutant that is practically immortal, and then try to show some battle between him and a whole team of the X-Men.  It's just really hard to pull that off.  It's why they gave Magneto all his 'brotherhood' sidekicks to have them get beat up on in the action scenes.

Personally while I love the character I'm not sure how you pull off Apocalypse in a movie, especially when they've set up absolutely no ground work for the character even existing.  Even if they'd have given some post credit scene nods to him like they did with Thanos at the end of Avengers you'd at least have the public curious about it, and realize there's this greater force at work in that movie universe.  And most of the things that make Apocalypse who he is are going to be difficult to convey in a movie.  We get Magneto's motivation with the glimpses of his childhood.  How do they do that well for Apocalypse?

Sadly I think this just stinks of how badly Fox handles the entire franchise.  Each movie just seems to jerk from one thing to another without much continuity.  Say what you will about the movies, but the guys handling the Marvel Cinematic Universe have done an excellent job of making sure all the individual movies follow a specific thread.
 
2013-12-06 05:10:34 PM

simplicimus: SilentStrider: DubyaHater: What's an X-man?


Son of Cyclops and Jean Grey. Genetically engineered by Mister Sinister. Also an alternate universe version of Cable.

He also had an existence in another universe. He, Holocaust, Evil Beast and Sugarman popped into the other universe at the end of AoA.


Gotta admit, X-Men Legends 2 was a damn solid game.
 
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