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2013-12-05 04:48:51 PM  
Gucci suits are like Corvettes. They're a great way of telling people you didn't always have money

-Goldman Sachs Elevator
 
2013-12-05 05:28:05 PM  
Would it have been better to axe Opel and Vauxhall and make Chevy the global brand like Ford has done (and has always done)?

I get the idea of brand equity, but I don't think Opel and Vauxhall have the brand equity of Police Academy movies.  You know what you're getting when you rent one... you're getting a Police Academy movie.
 
2013-12-05 05:28:40 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Would it have been better to axe Opel and Vauxhall and make Chevy the global brand like Ford has done (and has always done)?

I get the idea of brand equity, but I don't think Opel and Vauxhall have the brand equity of Police Academy movies.  You know what you're getting when you rent one... you're getting a Police Academy movie.


FTFM
 
2013-12-05 05:33:21 PM  
Opel?

Where can I get one of these?
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-12-05 05:35:36 PM  

bionicjoe: Opel?

Where can I get one of these?
[t2.gstatic.com image 300x168]


You know who else liked those?
 
2013-12-05 05:43:21 PM  
Pfft...with the release of the new Mustang coming today, Chevy gets a headline?

img.gawkerassets.com
img.gawkerassets.com

/dat profile
 
2013-12-05 05:45:11 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Would it have been better to axe Opel and Vauxhall and make Chevy the global brand like Ford has done (and has always done)?

I get the idea of brand equity, but I don't think Opel and Vauxhall have the brand equity of Police Academy movies.  You know what you're getting when you rent one... you're getting a Police Academy movie.


You are saying that because you are American and have a different attitude towards Chevrolets.
Most Chevrolets in Europe are just rebadged Daewoos, Chevrolet wasn't even officially present in Europe until the rebranding of Daewoo in 2005, and Opel and Vauxhall have a very long history (and a bigger share of the market).
 
2013-12-05 05:49:57 PM  

fatalvenom: Pfft...with the release of the new Mustang coming today, Chevy gets a headline?

[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]
[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]

/dat profile


Pfeh.

It looks like the sterile hybrid of a Dodge Challenger and an Aston Martin.  No distinctiveness from any
American sportscar in the last 5-10 years (and that includes the recent 'Vettes).

This, my friend, is a Mustang:

www.allfordmustangs.com

That is a rolling cortizone overdose.
 
2013-12-05 05:56:31 PM  
I always wondered why GM doesn't sell the Holden Commodores in Europe. Aren't they pretty popular in Australia?

files.conceptcarz.com
 
2013-12-05 05:57:08 PM  
Who cares about Europe.  I'm stoked the US is gettin a big Chevy V-8 sedan back:


www.speedhunters.com
 
2013-12-05 06:19:50 PM  
img.fark.net

I dunno, this is a definite improvement over the last 2 generations of Mustang, but I'm not a Mustang guy.
 
2013-12-05 06:34:59 PM  
Vettes remind me of my stripper ex-gf Marie.

"Meet me out back in 5 minutes."

"ok."

I drove (her vette) down to Penn's landing, we made out by the river then came back to my place to f*ck all night.

/miss the free drugs she'd bring me
 
2013-12-05 06:36:21 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Who cares about Europe.  I'm stoked the US is gettin a big Chevy V-8 sedan back:


[www.speedhunters.com image 800x533]


Don't forget that it's RWD.
 
2013-12-05 06:52:10 PM  

fatalvenom: Pfft...with the release of the new Mustang coming today, Chevy gets a headline?

[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]
[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]

/dat profile


Looks like a 2-door Fusion.
 
2013-12-05 07:02:06 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Who cares about Europe.  I'm stoked the US is gettin a big Chevy V-8 sedan back:


[www.speedhunters.com image 800x533]


Good Lord! I want one!
 
2013-12-05 07:15:13 PM  

poughdrew: [img.fark.net image 641x359]

I dunno, this is a definite improvement over the last 2 generations of Mustang, but I'm not a Mustang guy.


For me, the best body was in the mid-to-late 90s (specifically, I think it's the '96-ish body, but the one with the horizontal, wrapping tail lights, not the version with the vertical lights; too boxy). I'll just have to do an engine swap once I get one.

The fiance was really popular when a group of us States folk went to Europe as he was the only one who could identify all the cars (see, all the hours playing Forza  can be useful). Best I could do was warn everyone off buying one because parts and maintains runs about twice what it does on domestic or Asian brands.
 
2013-12-05 07:20:09 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Pfeh.

It looks like the sterile hybrid of a Dodge Challenger and an Aston Martin.  No distinctiveness from any
American sportscar in the last 5-10 years (and that includes the recent 'Vettes).


I really like the 2014 Vettes. Nice departure from the most recent ones. Would love to take one out for a track day.
 
2013-12-05 07:36:22 PM  

Klopfer: Rapmaster2000: Would it have been better to axe Opel and Vauxhall and make Chevy the global brand like Ford has done (and has always done)?

I get the idea of brand equity, but I don't think Opel and Vauxhall have the brand equity of Police Academy movies.  You know what you're getting when you rent one... you're getting a Police Academy movie.

You are saying that because you are American and have a different attitude towards Chevrolets.
Most Chevrolets in Europe are just rebadged Daewoos, Chevrolet wasn't even officially present in Europe until the rebranding of Daewoo in 2005, and Opel and Vauxhall have a very long history (and a bigger share of the market).


Chevrolet are sold in the UK but no one has really heard of them or knows what they look like. They are just not on the radar.
Vauxhall are a major brand, though behind Ford and only sold in the UK. In Europe they are sold as Opel.

GIS 'Chevrolet Matiz' if you want a laugh.
 
2013-12-05 07:41:49 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I always wondered why GM doesn't sell the Holden Commodores in Europe. Aren't they pretty popular in Australia?


Probably because large cars are a righteous pain in the ass in cities laid out before cars.
 
2013-12-05 07:42:06 PM  
I can't get past the tail lights on the new Vette...they're supposed to be round.
 
2013-12-05 07:47:10 PM  

fatalvenom: Pfft...with the release of the new Mustang coming today, Chevy gets a headline?

[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]
[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]

/dat profile


Do they seriously have to put that Aston Martin grill on everything?
Give it up Ford, we know you paid a lot for the company, but you're killing its image by putting that grill on everything you make.
 
2013-12-05 07:57:22 PM  

Klopfer: Rapmaster2000: Would it have been better to axe Opel and Vauxhall and make Chevy the global brand like Ford has done (and has always done)?

I get the idea of brand equity, but I don't think Opel and Vauxhall have the brand equity of Police Academy movies.  You know what you're getting when you rent one... you're getting a Police Academy movie.

You are saying that because you are American and have a different attitude towards Chevrolets.
Most Chevrolets in Europe are just rebadged Daewoos, Chevrolet wasn't even officially present in Europe until the rebranding of Daewoo in 2005, and Opel and Vauxhall have a very long history (and a bigger share of the market).


Thanks for the insight.  I only recall seeing one Chevy in Europe and my only thought was "what the hell is that tiny Chevy?"
 
2013-12-05 08:10:32 PM  

crotchgrabber: DjangoStonereaver: Pfeh.

It looks like the sterile hybrid of a Dodge Challenger and an Aston Martin.  No distinctiveness from any
American sportscar in the last 5-10 years (and that includes the recent 'Vettes).

I really like the 2014 Vettes. Nice departure from the most recent ones. Would love to take one out for a track day.


Hmmmmm....

(Django does a couple of GISes)

OK, perhaps I was a bit harsh on the 'Vette.  It does seem that they've kept a bit of personality.  I will pick one nit,
though:  I miss the pop up headlights.

Otherwise, however, I stand by my assessment of American sports cars.
 
2013-12-05 08:27:12 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: crotchgrabber: DjangoStonereaver: Pfeh.

It looks like the sterile hybrid of a Dodge Challenger and an Aston Martin.  No distinctiveness from any
American sportscar in the last 5-10 years (and that includes the recent 'Vettes).

I really like the 2014 Vettes. Nice departure from the most recent ones. Would love to take one out for a track day.

Hmmmmm....

(Django does a couple of GISes)

OK, perhaps I was a bit harsh on the 'Vette.  It does seem that they've kept a bit of personality.  I will pick one nit,
though:  I miss the pop up headlights.

Otherwise, however, I stand by my assessment of American sports cars.


I agree that all american sports cars that are not the vette are cut from the same boring retro cloth. But, I personally think pop up headlights are almost always tacky. Makes me think of the car from Road House. Chevy probably spent a bit too much time in the wind tunnel to say "fark all that, let's put pop ups on it"
 
2013-12-05 08:31:21 PM  

el_pilgrim: fatalvenom: Pfft...with the release of the new Mustang coming today, Chevy gets a headline?

[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]
[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]

/dat profile

Do they seriously have to put that Aston Martin grill on everything?
Give it up Ford, we know you paid a lot for the company, but you're killing its image by putting that grill on everything you make.


And they sold Aston six years ago....
 
2013-12-05 08:34:49 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Would it have been better to axe Opel and Vauxhall and make Chevy the global brand like Ford has done (and has always done)?

I get the idea of brand equity, but I don't think Opel and Vauxhall have the brand equity of Police Academy movies.  You know what you're getting when you rent one... you're getting a Police Academy movie.


Isn't the Vauxhall Astra VXR one of the cars Top Gear loves so much?

Most American cars have a crap name in Europe.
 
2013-12-05 08:47:10 PM  

crotchgrabber: I agree that all american sports cars that are not the vette are cut from the same boring retro cloth. But, I personally think pop up headlights are almost always tacky. Makes me think of the car from Road House. Chevy probably spent a bit too much time in the wind tunnel to say "fark all that, let's put pop ups on it"


They don't get that fog crap from being in sunlight though. . .

/the  only thing I like about my pop-ups. Otherwise, (shakes head, walks off). . .
 
2013-12-05 08:48:48 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I always wondered why GM doesn't sell the Holden Commodores in Europe. Aren't they pretty popular in Australia?

[files.conceptcarz.com image 850x526]


They did not sell very well over here when they were call the Pontiac GTO.
 
2013-12-05 09:19:58 PM  

inglixthemad: Rapmaster2000: Would it have been better to axe Opel and Vauxhall and make Chevy the global brand like Ford has done (and has always done)?

I get the idea of brand equity, but I don't think Opel and Vauxhall have the brand equity of Police Academy movies.  You know what you're getting when you rent one... you're getting a Police Academy movie.

Isn't the Vauxhall Astra VXR one of the cars Top Gear loves so much?

Most American cars have a crap name in Europe.


That's too bad.  The Chevrolet Cruze is light years ahead of the Citroen C4 I rented a few months ago.  The shifter was like a wet noodle in a bowl of pudding and the clutch engaged when my knee was somewhere near the bottom of the steering wheel.

I will accept that it was a Citroen.
 
2013-12-05 09:58:15 PM  

fatalvenom: Pfft...with the release of the new Mustang coming today, Chevy gets a headline?

[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]
[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]

/dat profile


Still a big, heavy, oversteering vehicle with bad weight distribution. Why would it get the attention?
 
2013-12-05 11:40:09 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I always wondered why GM doesn't sell the Holden Commodores in Europe. Aren't they pretty popular in Australia?

[files.conceptcarz.com image 850x526]


Kraftwerk Orange: Who cares about Europe.  I'm stoked the US is gettin a big Chevy V-8 sedan back:


[www.speedhunters.com image 800x533]


Hmmm... the window profiles look identical. It wouldn't surprise me if that Chevy was a rebadged Commodore.

/are roobars an option?
 
2013-12-05 11:40:53 PM  
poughdrew
:
img.fark.net

I dunno, this is a definite improvement over the last 2 generations of Mustang, but I'm not a Mustang guy.

cdn.leftlanenews.com


How do you feel about Hondas?
 
2013-12-05 11:42:36 PM  

Fubegra: Sin_City_Superhero: I always wondered why GM doesn't sell the Holden Commodores in Europe. Aren't they pretty popular in Australia?

[files.conceptcarz.com image 850x526]

Kraftwerk Orange: Who cares about Europe.  I'm stoked the US is gettin a big Chevy V-8 sedan back:


[www.speedhunters.com image 800x533]

Hmmm... the window profiles look identical. It wouldn't surprise me if that Chevy was a rebadged Commodore.

/are roobars an option?


Yes, that's exactly what it is, just like the ill-fated former Pontiac G8.
 
2013-12-06 12:16:44 AM  

inglixthemad: Isn't the Vauxhall Astra VXR one of the cars Top Gear loves so much?


Yes, formerly sold in the US as the Saturn Astra XR, but with less engine. Technically it's an Opel Astra.

When GM stopped letting Saturn design their own cars and instead started re-badging Opels, they lost what could have been the perfect brand to introduce real innovation in lower to mid-market cars - think Volt, or perhaps the small diesels they're now trying to push in the crappy Cruze.

My first new car was a '97 Saturn SC2. Fun little car -- 140hp engine and FWD, but it was half plastic, so it weighed nothing. Thus, it accelerated and handled well for a "my first new car" (could narrowly take stock Civic EX's in a stoplight drag race) and got 37mpg on the interstate. Imagine a decent modern small turbo four or turbodiesel in an updated version of that design....

static.howstuffworks.com

But anyway...GM is absolutely on the right track with Cadillac, the Vette, and the Camaro. I wants me some Z/28...

www.rightfootdown.com
 
2013-12-06 12:19:05 AM  

Stabone33: 97 Saturn SC2.


The SC2 is actually my dream car. Love the lines on it. Lexus has something out now that looks a lot like it, so I may check that out a bit later.

/don't like all the crummy electronics though. May just wait for the Saturns to age out.
 
2013-12-06 12:28:27 AM  
www.rightfootdown.com

OBTW, that was in the wet. Chevy claims telemetry shows another 6 seconds faster is possible...that would put it in front of such notable Euros as:
- 2008 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
- Porsche 911 GT3 RS MkIII
- Koenigsegg CCX and CCR
- 2011 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2008 Ruf RT12

And the 2011 Nissan GT-R.

It's already ahead of the Lexus LF-A, the C6 ZR1, the Farrari 430 Scuderia, Lambo Murcielago LP460, Benzo SLR MacLaren and SLS AMG...the list goes on.
 
2013-12-06 12:46:02 AM  
Yeah, Europe is definitely lacking in fast cars. I'll just go sit in my Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo, Audi TT, Venturi, etc, etc, etc.

/The Volage is possibly one of the most awesome designs on the block right now
//Electric plus supersportscar...
 
2013-12-06 12:47:59 AM  

Stabone33: [www.rightfootdown.com image 850x477]

OBTW, that was in the wet. Chevy claims telemetry shows another 6 seconds faster is possible...that would put it in front of such notable Euros as:
- 2008 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
- Porsche 911 GT3 RS MkIII
- Koenigsegg CCX and CCR
- 2011 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2008 Ruf RT12

And the 2011 Nissan GT-R.

It's already ahead of the Lexus LF-A, the C6 ZR1, the Farrari 430 Scuderia, Lambo Murcielago LP460, Benzo SLR MacLaren and SLS AMG...the list goes on.


Not sure where you got your info, but it's false. C6 ZR1 is 7:19 and the C6 Z06 is 7:22. The 2011 GT-R is 7:24. All 3 cars are still at least 13 seconds ahead, and 7 seconds ahead as-is even if you give the ZL1 a 6 second advantage.
 
2013-12-06 12:56:35 AM  
Flint Ironstag:

And they sold Aston six years ago....

Whoops... That'll remind me to do my homework next time.
But technically, Ford still owns 10%.
Had to look it up because I was wondering how Ford was still able to use Aston design elements.

/not a Ford guy
 
2013-12-06 01:03:03 AM  

Stabone33: inglixthemad: Isn't the Vauxhall Astra VXR one of the cars Top Gear loves so much?

Yes, formerly sold in the US as the Saturn Astra XR, but with less engine. Technically it's an Opel Astra.

When GM stopped letting Saturn design their own cars and instead started re-badging Opels, they lost what could have been the perfect brand to introduce real innovation in lower to mid-market cars - think Volt, or perhaps the small diesels they're now trying to push in the crappy Cruze.

My first new car was a '97 Saturn SC2. Fun little car -- 140hp engine and FWD, but it was half plastic, so it weighed nothing. Thus, it accelerated and handled well for a "my first new car" (could narrowly take stock Civic EX's in a stoplight drag race) and got 37mpg on the interstate. Imagine a decent modern small turbo four or turbodiesel in an updated version of that design....

[static.howstuffworks.com image 400x266]

But anyway...GM is absolutely on the right track with Cadillac, the Vette, and the Camaro. I wants me some Z/28...

[www.rightfootdown.com image 850x477]


Dunno about Cadillac. I was a bit surprised by the amount of orange peel I could spot in the paint, for a car at that price point, and with those upmarket pretensions.
 
2013-12-06 03:24:42 AM  
That new Mustang looks ugly, a shame as the previous versions were sex-on-wheels.
forums.themustangsource.com
 
2013-12-06 03:26:54 AM  

Gobobo: That new Mustang looks ugly, a shame as the previous versions were sex-on-wheels.
[forums.themustangsource.com image 792x594]


Baby Boomers reclaiming the 60s.

/Millenials are riding bicycles and laughing at the Boomers paying gas prices
 
2013-12-06 08:12:43 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Kraftwerk Orange: Who cares about Europe.  I'm stoked the US is gettin a big Chevy V-8 sedan back:


[www.speedhunters.com image 800x533]

Don't forget that it's RWD.


RWD. 415 horsepower.

Automatic transmission only.
 
2013-12-06 08:28:06 AM  
img.fark.net

i.telegraph.co.uk

"The Nurburgring is EVIL INCARNATE!"
 
2013-12-06 08:31:18 AM  

Stabone33: [www.rightfootdown.com image 850x477]

OBTW, that was in the wet. Chevy claims telemetry shows another 6 seconds faster is possible...that would put it in front of such notable Euros as:
- 2008 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
- Porsche 911 GT3 RS MkIII
- Koenigsegg CCX and CCR
- 2011 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2008 Ruf RT12

And the 2011 Nissan GT-R.

It's already ahead of the Lexus LF-A, the C6 ZR1, the Farrari 430 Scuderia, Lambo Murcielago LP460, Benzo SLR MacLaren and SLS AMG...the list goes on.


The last I looked at them, which was years ago, the reviews all seemed to basically boil down to "it can go fast, but it's a huge, hemorrhoidal pain in the ass to make it happen".

Stabone33: [www.rightfootdown.com image 850x477]

OBTW, that was in the wet. Chevy claims telemetry shows another 6 seconds faster is possible...that would put it in front of such notable Euros as:
- 2008 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
- Porsche 911 GT3 RS MkIII
- Koenigsegg CCX and CCR
- 2011 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2008 Ruf RT12

And the 2011 Nissan GT-R.

It's already ahead of the Lexus LF-A, the C6 ZR1, the Farrari 430 Scuderia, Lambo Murcielago LP460, Benzo SLR MacLaren and SLS AMG...the list goes on.


Most of those cars are probably fun to drive too, though. The problem with the current Camaro was never that it wasn't fast, it's always been that it wasn't fun to drive or live with for anything but the shortest periods of time, kind of like the first few Vipers. I'd be much more interested in knowing if they fixed THAT problem than how fast it can go around a far-away racetrack any copy I'd own would never see anyway.
 
2013-12-06 08:32:49 AM  
Damn, I screwed that up. Have just the bit I intended to keep:

skozlaw: Most of those cars are probably fun to drive too, though. The problem with the current Camaro was never that it wasn't fast, it's always been that it wasn't fun to drive or live with for anything but the shortest periods of time, kind of like the first few Vipers. I'd be much more interested in knowing if they fixed THAT problem than how fast it can go around a far-away racetrack any copy I'd own would never see anyway.

 
2013-12-06 01:14:34 PM  
Keep in mind that the "Chevys" sold in Europe are a lot different than the ones sold in the US.  Basically, they are all Daewoos, other than the Corvette.
 
2013-12-06 01:52:04 PM  

inglixthemad: Rapmaster2000: Would it have been better to axe Opel and Vauxhall and make Chevy the global brand like Ford has done (and has always done)?

I get the idea of brand equity, but I don't think Opel and Vauxhall have the brand equity of Police Academy movies.  You know what you're getting when you rent one... you're getting a Police Academy movie.

Isn't the Vauxhall Astra VXR one of the cars Top Gear loves so much?

Most American cars have a crap name in Europe.


tell that to the millions of europeans that drive the ford focus and swear by it.
 
2013-12-06 02:08:04 PM  

Peki: Gobobo: That new Mustang looks ugly, a shame as the previous versions were sex-on-wheels.
[forums.themustangsource.com image 792x594]

Baby Boomers reclaiming the 60s.

/Millenials are riding bicycles and laughing at the Boomers paying gas prices


So, how far is it from your mom's basement to the job at McDonalds?
 
2013-12-06 04:40:22 PM  

neilbradley: Stabone33: [www.rightfootdown.com image 850x477]

OBTW, that was in the wet. Chevy claims telemetry shows another 6 seconds faster is possible...that would put it in front of such notable Euros as:
- 2008 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
- Porsche 911 GT3 RS MkIII
- Koenigsegg CCX and CCR
- 2011 Porsche 911 GT2
- 2008 Ruf RT12

And the 2011 Nissan GT-R.

It's already ahead of the Lexus LF-A, the C6 ZR1, the Farrari 430 Scuderia, Lambo Murcielago LP460, Benzo SLR MacLaren and SLS AMG...the list goes on.

Not sure where you got your info, but it's false. C6 ZR1 is 7:19 and the C6 Z06 is 7:22. The 2011 GT-R is 7:24. All 3 cars are still at least 13 seconds ahead, and 7 seconds ahead as-is even if you give the ZL1 a 6 second advantage.


Got it from Wikipedia, turns out there are multiple lap times published for several cars, which to me says it's a driver skill thing, and yes the cars are capable of going faster.

But with only one run on the Nordschliefe in the wet, the Z28 is still in supercar territory, and it can go faster. The six seconds Chevy claims is still in there may be based on the conditions and the driver on that day - there is likely more there.

I'm sure the new Z06 Vette will destroy the Z28 on the Nordschliefe when it inevitably does its run...Chevy still wants the Vette to be the king of the track in their lineup.
 
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